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Hi there,,,,

I got admission for DDS program in University of Toronto as well as University of British Columbia,,,, Can someone help me decide which one i should opt for???

I have to move out for both the places,,, but which one i should go for????

Thanks in advance.
 
I'm guessing you are an international student. Both cities are beautiful. Vancouver has better weather but Toronto is the true cultural, fashion, etc. capital of Canada...basically the center of Canada.

In regards to the schools, there is no doubt that UofT is one of the best schools in Canada. The dental program is regarded as excellent and it is maybe the most competitive program to be accepted into from undergrad...3.8+ GPA average for the entering class every year for the undergrads admitted. I think last year was a 3.82 on a scale that is way tougher than any scale the US system uses.

Scale: A+ = 4.0, A = 3.9 A- = 3.7 B+ = 3.3 and so on. No 4.333 🙁

In regards to UBC, I'd have to say that it probably has the worst reputation in Canada for dentistry. It is the easiest to get into and the facilities are said to be crap, although they are supposed to be getting a new building.

I think you'd be crazy to turn down UofT dental for UBC. Good luck in your decision.
 
Hi,

this is kind of a change in topic but-

How does one go about shadowing a dentist in Montreal? I would like to get a better idea of what the profession is like. Are there certain regulations involved or can I just contact a dentist?
 
I think there is a special form to fill out in Montreal.
 
aim said:
Hi there,,,,

I got admission for DDS program in University of Toronto as well as University of British Columbia,,,, Can someone help me decide which one i should opt for???

I have to move out for both the places,,, but which one i should go for????

Thanks in advance.

Did you get accepted already? They haven't even send out interview invites for UBC yet. How could you have gotten accepted? 😕 😕 😕
 
Well Audio, I heard the other way round about U of T. It is very theoritical and full of paperwork not clinical oriented at all. The undergrad education is not very good as all the good cases and staff is for the postgrads. UBC on the other hand is very clinical oriented and technologically very advanced.
The grads from UBC do very well in practise.
Now what is true?
 
E. coli said:
Did you get accepted already? They haven't even send out interview invites for UBC yet. How could you have gotten accepted? 😕 😕 😕


Must be international.
 
seashore said:
Well Audio, I heard the other way round about U of T. It is very theoritical and full of paperwork not clinical oriented at all. The undergrad education is not very good as all the good cases and staff is for the postgrads. UBC on the other hand is very clinical oriented and technologically very advanced.
The grads from UBC do very well in practise.
Now what is true?


I'm not here to say UofT is the best in the world but one thing I do know, UBC is probably the least desirable school to attend in Canada. Not only is the tuition crazy, I've heard that you're a med student for the first two years and don't get any exposure to the clinic. I really haven't heard much good about their program. Except that it's in Vancouver 😀

Think about this, sometimes, UBC runs out of people on their waitlist to offer acceptances to because people constantly drop their acceptances for other schools. That's why they now have an $8000+ deposit so they prevent people from doing this.
 
Audio said:
I'm not here to say UofT is the best in the world but one thing I do know, UBC is probably the least desirable school to attend in Canada. Not only is the tuition crazy, I've heard that you're a med student for the first two years and don't get any exposure to the clinic. I really haven't heard much good about their program. Except that it's in Vancouver 😀

Think about this, sometimes, UBC runs out of people on their waitlist to offer acceptances to because people constantly drop their acceptances for other schools. That's why they now have an $8000+ deposit so they prevent people from doing this.

I'm from the US, but went to McGill undergrad for 2 years, researched a ton of dental schools all over both for myself and a relative of mine who's a dentist in Europe. I've met and worked with a lot of residents and dentists and here's my 2 cents.

Being a med student for the first 1.5 to 2 years is an advantage in terms of overall knowledge, not to mention when it comes to studying for the boards. Now if a student is highly motivated they will do great on the boards anywhere, but taking classes with the meds is a definite positive. That's the trend in dental education among top tier schools (Columbia, Harvard, UConn, McGill). It's alot better than taking classes with nurses (what is NYU thinking??...ok that's another thread). So yes I disagree about UBC. From what I've heard it has a very good specialty rate and a strong clinical program. Sure they start in the clinic later than Toronto, but after 3rd year they're caught up. Toronto has all the positives and negatives of having specialty programs along with it. Toronto class size is larger I believe. Let's face it smaller class size the better for a lot of reasons. Toronto has a better research reputation though, and you'll have exposure to all the health care centers around the downtown area (world class hospital for sick kids, etc).

Now your theory about UBC running out of people for waitlists I don't believe at all. Everyone knows how competitive any dental school in Canada is.

Bottom line is you'll get a great education at either school. Ya there's advantages and disad's to each. But both are definitely above average. If you're wondering I would rank U of Montreal and Saskatchewan among the lowest.
 
TKD said:
I'm from the US, but went to McGill undergrad for 2 years, researched a ton of dental schools all over both for myself and a relative of mine who's a dentist in Europe. I've met and worked with a lot of residents and dentists and here's my 2 cents.

Being a med student for the first 1.5 to 2 years is an advantage in terms of overall knowledge, not to mention when it comes to studying for the boards. Now if a student is highly motivated they will do great on the boards anywhere, but taking classes with the meds is a definite positive. That's the trend in dental education among top tier schools (Columbia, Harvard, UConn, McGill). It's alot better than taking classes with nurses (what is NYU thinking??...ok that's another thread). So yes I disagree about UBC. From what I've heard it has a very good specialty rate and a strong clinical program. Sure they start in the clinic later than Toronto, but after 3rd year they're caught up. Toronto has all the positives and negatives of having specialty programs along with it. Toronto class size is larger I believe. Let's face it smaller class size the better for a lot of reasons. Toronto has a better research reputation though, and you'll have exposure to all the health care centers around the downtown area (world class hospital for sick kids, etc).

Now your theory about UBC running out of people for waitlists I don't believe at all. Everyone knows how competitive any dental school in Canada is.

Bottom line is you'll get a great education at either school. Ya there's advantages and disad's to each. But both are definitely above average. If you're wondering I would rank U of Montreal and Saskatchewan among the lowest.


I suggest you actually look up info about UBC's waitlist. One year they actually ran out of spots on the waitlist. They accept 40 people and place 40 on the waitlist ( i think they interview either 80 or 100 people). Usually, they get down to spots in the 30s on the waitlist. This is every year. It must say something about a school. If you don't believe me, ask applicants who have been interviewed there and who were waitlisted/accepted.

The fact about being with med students CAN be a good thing like at Harvard. Or it can be a bad thing i.e. their dental program sucks and they just dump their class with the med students for the first two years. And I am certain UofT has better board scores than UBC. In fact, I'm sure many schools in Canada have UBC beat. They have by far the lowest average for the entering class.

However, I can't say that the school sucks because I've never attended it and never will. For the price, I'd hope you'd get a decent education.
 
I'm a dentist in Ontario, graduated a few years ago. Dental school is dental school, I think any differences will even out within 6 months of practice. I've worked with grads from many different schools up here, generally speaking we all read the same texts and seem to approach things similarly. Basically when I graduated I felt like I knew squat. After a couple years, taking courses, doing alot of reading, I still feel like I know squat. I think you'll find either school will prepare you just fine.

I believe UBC tuition is the highest in Canada, and if cost is a factor I'd take that into consideration. On the other hand, BC is a fantastic province. The mountains and active lifestyle out there puts Ontario to shame.

I will never understand why some correlate board scores with quality of education.

Congrats on your acceptances, feel free to PM me.
 
Seabass where do you practice?



SeaBass said:
I'm a dentist in Ontario, graduated a few years ago. Dental school is dental school, I think any differences will even out within 6 months of practice. I've worked with grads from many different schools up here, generally speaking we all read the same texts and seem to approach things similarly. Basically when I graduated I felt like I knew squat. After a couple years, taking courses, doing alot of reading, I still feel like I know squat. I think you'll find either school will prepare you just fine.

I believe UBC tuition is the highest in Canada, and if cost is a factor I'd take that into consideration. On the other hand, BC is a fantastic province. The mountains and active lifestyle out there puts Ontario to shame.

I will never understand why some correlate board scores with quality of education.

Congrats on your acceptances, feel free to PM me.
 
Hey guys,,,,

Thanx for all the inputs,,,, suire i got lot of info,,,, but the sad part is dat am all the more confused now...
Uof T or UBC???????????????????
 
aim said:
Hey guys,,,,

Thanx for all the inputs,,,, suire i got lot of info,,,, but the sad part is dat am all the more confused now...
Uof T or UBC???????????????????


Perhaps visit both schools again. Keep talking to people. Do not base your decision on what you hear from SDNers, many on here are sincere, while others have strong agendas, biases, pissed off about something, etc.

SeaBass good post. Board scores have very little correlation with clinical skill or knowledge. They mostly measure one's ability to straight up memorize, and unfortunately get one's hands on old exams. BUT solid board scores are extremely important if one wants to specialize. Indeed many choose a school based on their perceived chances to specialize.
I have noticed some "trends" among graduates from different schools i.e. some schools have mandatory perio surgeries, while others they only assist. Some have more exposure to molar endos, ortho, etc. Maybe there is more variation in US schools than Canadian schools.
But remember school is what you make of it.
 
I'm 3rd year UBC DMD student.
For me, UBC is a good school cause it laid very solid medical foundation during the first two years.. Of course, some people will say bad things about how students get so little exposure in dentistry during the early years, but I feel I am quite competent in what I learned after going through very intense 3rd year (a bit more than half past now..) Different student have various pt. pool.. but they usually ranges from 50 to 100, and procedures required varies (heavy weight on perio and pros)

And UBC is very competetive to get in.. many of my classmates have entry GPA over 4.0....

UBC now has a new clinic now. 150 brand new chairs with evrything digitalized... that's nothing to sneeze at..

I hope that help for those of you who is about to choose their dental school. Then again, I'm sure all other dental school in Canada are good.
 
All dental schools in Canada are crap compared to US ones!!(atleast the ones i have seen like Tufts etc) U of T think they are the best but their facilities = **** ! They are all pricks, i think best dental school in canada is western!
 
It's alot better than taking classes with nurses (what is NYU thinking??...ok that's another thread).

FYI, that’s one of the classic ‘SDN myths’ about NYU… I read it somewhere on SDN and I actually believed it for a while. I am sorry to disillusion those who are fantasizing about studying anatomy with nursing students, but unfortunately that is not going to happen 😉 . I wonder who comes up with all those rumors...
 
All dental schools in Canada are crap compared to US ones!!(atleast the ones i have seen like Tufts etc) U of T think they are the best but their facilities = **** ! They are all pricks, i think best dental school in canada is western!
You must be bitter U of T rejected you, but 3.88 GPA just to get an interview can do that to people. I agree with what you said about the facilities at Toronto and that Western is the best dental school in Ontario (can't comment on the rest).
 
Ohhhhhhhhh yea im sooooooooooooo bitter I didnt get in U of T to get a crap dental education!! Ur right i didnt get an interview..oh must have been my grades oh wait I never applied to them cuz maybe unlike u i go to the school first than blow my money one applyin!! and for ur info u dont need that high of gpa to get an interview if u dont mind suckin up to right ppl!
 
sorry to digress here, but i have a question here, do you guys know if dentist graduating from u.s dental school can apply to specialty programs in canada?, i guess i have to take canadain board exam but how easy/difficult of a process will it be?
 
Is there a dental school in Montreal? The city and its people look sooooo good.
 
VCUDDS, Yes you can apply for specialty programs in Canada. I graduated from American dental school. I am applying for OMFS this year. You don't need to take the Canadian boards. PM me if you have any question regarding process.
 
You must be bitter U of T rejected you, but 3.88 GPA just to get an interview can do that to people. I agree with what you said about the facilities at Toronto and that Western is the best dental school in Ontario (can't comment on the rest).


Yeah, no kidding. Anyone who thinks U of T is a crap school clearly has not been and is kidding themselves. Western is great too, but seriously, what the heck is with all the insults?
And did someone above me say that the undergrad at U of T is sucky. I transferred here from Duke after my first year, because my dad got layed off and I had no healthcare in the States, and yeah, U of T is academically more challenging hands down. I also like the atmosphere better, and yes, we do have very good profs. What's with the jealously??
 
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