I would like to get ophthalmology or psychiatrict or phsycologist expert opinion, is it possible for the expert to detect depression/stress from eye imaging? Either from fundus imaging or Optical Coherence Tomography (OCT)? Does this idea make sense?
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Believeme - being trained in the art of iridology, I can cofirm your suspicions. Many systemic ailments, including those that are physical or mental in nature, do manifest in the eye. Depression, anxiety, dissociative identity disorder, bedwetting, the list goes on...
Open your mind to healing arts that do not fit into the "small box" that is Western allopathic teaching. You will then see the great Holistic picture.
Open your mind to healing arts that do not fit into the "small box" that is Western allopathic teaching. You will then see the great Holistic picture.
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lol are you trolling cuz that's pretty damn funny if you are LOL @ bedwetting
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First, I'm not an expert in this area. Now, having lent the disclaimer, I can say I think it's silly to infer with any appreciable confidence a person's mental status based on ocular signs. Yes, someone suffering from a psyhological condition might be expressing, say, an excessive quantity of a particular neurotransmitter, which, indeed, might have ocular ramifications; but, to suggest it can be supposed whether a person is depressed based on an O.C.T. image is, I believe, a laughable notion.
Defining and understanding mental illness is tremendously difficult, on its own. Dragging into the equation the likelihood of distal "tell-tale signs" just muddies things to the point at which they no longer make any sense, whatever.
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Yes, trolling. But I do have a handful of patients that sincerley subscribe to this theory.
Of course they also typically believe in the Bates sytem and/or rolfing.
Many are massage therapists or LPNs or nursing assistants.
However, the question remains: Can cognition change the anatomical structure of a cell/tissue/organ?
Do you believe in the Power of Prayer?
Of course they also typically believe in the Bates sytem and/or rolfing.
Many are massage therapists or LPNs or nursing assistants.
However, the question remains: Can cognition change the anatomical structure of a cell/tissue/organ?
Do you believe in the Power of Prayer?
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I mean I've always been interested in the para-science. Such as:
1) chi (qi) being proven to exist by using infra-red cameras
2) where we look with our eyes more brain waves pass through our skull - hence the feeling of someone looking at you
3) placebo effect
All psychological changes that affect physiology. However, yes the anatomy is usually static unless you consider epi-genetics then it can change over time.
1) chi (qi) being proven to exist by using infra-red cameras
2) where we look with our eyes more brain waves pass through our skull - hence the feeling of someone looking at you
3) placebo effect
All psychological changes that affect physiology. However, yes the anatomy is usually static unless you consider epi-genetics then it can change over time.
Thanks all. I am not in the area of medical pure but in biomed eng, I am actually thinking to find the biomarker of the depression/stress from eyes. There are ongoing research to detect severity of neurodegenerative disease from eyes OCT retinal thickness/fundus images. Before these people look into brain imaging for the detection of it. If really a depressed/schrizoprenia patients manifest in the eyes, what are the area of the eyes that might be greatly affected by this disease? Pupil? ONH (Optic Nerve Head), RNFL? From my point of view the area with the highest density of blood vessels would be the best area to be investigated.
I think conjecture is great but that is all that it is...conjecture...if there is no study to back it up it is not proven. That is and will always be the scientific method. If there is a study that proves that iridology works I would love to see it...otherwise it is just a variant of parascience or chiropractic medicine..unproven snakeoil...
Hi,
Thank for your helpful feedback, i read on iridology then also sclerology. Yes, it does make sense. I see also a lot practitioners of these eye logy. From your experience, what are the symptoms do you see to indicate that a person is in depression/stress? If iridology, looking at the iris, from the chart which part do you look at? What are the symptom? the discoloration?
If you know as well sclerology, what is the the symptoms? the congestion bloods vessel at which part?
Thank for your helpful feedback, i read on iridology then also sclerology. Yes, it does make sense. I see also a lot practitioners of these eye logy. From your experience, what are the symptoms do you see to indicate that a person is in depression/stress? If iridology, looking at the iris, from the chart which part do you look at? What are the symptom? the discoloration?
If you know as well sclerology, what is the the symptoms? the congestion bloods vessel at which part?
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Lol you need a better sarcasm detector. Or here I'll put it plainly: Iridology and sclerology are all bulls**t and it may actually harm you to rely on these because it may delay the diagnosis and treatment of a true medical problem.
http://www.eyology.com/med_indexdefinition.aspx
They even have a disclaimer on Eyology.com so they don't get sued lol "[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=verdana,geneva]...Iridology and Sclerology are NOT diagnostic tools and are unable to identify specific medically defined pathology."
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http://www.eyology.com/med_indexdefinition.aspx
They even have a disclaimer on Eyology.com so they don't get sued lol "[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=verdana,geneva]...Iridology and Sclerology are NOT diagnostic tools and are unable to identify specific medically defined pathology."
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Hi Shnurek,
I am thinking like this, what if, based on the area of interest being looked by iridology/sclerology, we can find there is pathology, in the internal of eyes through fundus/OCT imaging. Then, it is become OBJECTIVE rather than subjective. The finding can be a real the biomarker. then the diagnosis can be external and internal. The way i describe more on engineering.
I am thinking like this, what if, based on the area of interest being looked by iridology/sclerology, we can find there is pathology, in the internal of eyes through fundus/OCT imaging. Then, it is become OBJECTIVE rather than subjective. The finding can be a real the biomarker. then the diagnosis can be external and internal. The way i describe more on engineering.
if there are objective signs it becomes something called...science...nonscience like iridology or sclerology use non objective signs...no different than religion...just faith...which isn't good enough in the science world..sorry
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Since you have already conceived your null hypothesis, you can certainly do the research. I don't think anything will show up on OCT/FA/ONH, but I would be more interested in the genetics behind it.
And if you do find something pathology related on any retinal imaging...I would be highly suspicious about another variable causing that change.
Good luck with the research
