Derm Prelim Year - what New York Programs to apply to?

[DRTP]

I am interested in a prelim program that encourages teamwork, everyone gets along, is not malignant, you are treated with respect by attendings, and it is positive and motivating work environment. I am looking for one with reasonable work hours as well. I would also like one that does not "run you into the ground." Can you please tell me your suggestions? I am looking in the tristate area, where I lived for 9 yrs, but not in the medical field at the time.

Here is a list - these are not all of them, but I had to narrow it down. If you know of a good program not listed on here, please let me know.

And to cut this off at the pass, snide comments about needing to work hard to become a good physician, etc are not necessary - I am one of the hardest working people I know.

Icahn Mt Sinai Englewood Englewood NJ
Newark Beth Israel Jersey City NJ
Newark Beth Israel Newark NJ
Rutgers Newark NJ
Bridgeport / Yale Bridgeport CT
St Vincent Bridgeport CT
Greenwich Program Greenwich CT
Yale New Haven New Haven CT
Norwalk / Yale Norwalk CT
Stamford Hos / Columbia Stamford CT
Albert Einsten Jacobi Bronx NY
Icahn Bronx Bronx NY
NY Methodist Brooklyn NY
SUNY HSC Brooklyn Program Brooklyn NY
Maimonides Brooklyn NY
Brooklyn Hospital Center Program Brooklyn NY
Hofstra LIJ Long Island NY
SUNY at Stony Brook Long Island NY
Nassau University Long Island NY
Hofstra LIJ Long Island NY
NYU NYC NY
Presby Cornell NYC NY
Presby Columbia NYC NY
Metro Program NYC NY
NSLIJ Lenox Hill NYC NY
Icahn St Lukes NYC NY
Icahn Mt Sinai NYC NY
Ichon Beth Israel NYC NY

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[gutonc]

I am interested in a prelim program that encourages teamwork, everyone gets along, is not malignant, you are treated with respect by attendings, and it is positive and motivating work environment. I am looking for one with reasonable work hours as well. I would also like one that does not "run you into the ground."

Do you also need rainbows and unicorns in the call rooms? I would argue that there is not a single residency program in any specialty in the country that meets all of those requirements, doubly so for prelims. Triply so for programs in the NY metro area.

 

[OpthoForMe]

Do you also need rainbows and unicorns in the call rooms? I would argue that there is not a single residency program in any specialty in the country that meets all of those requirements, doubly so for prelims. Triply so for programs in the NY metro area.

Memorial Sloan Kettering's TY program is actually exactly like this, and you also get free breakfast and lunch every day, plus free beer at happy hour every Friday afternoon! It's also located in Manhattan with subsidized housing across the street.

 

[DermViser]

Memorial Sloan Kettering's TY program is actually exactly like this, and you also get free breakfast and lunch every day, plus free beer at happy hour every Friday afternoon! It's also located in Manhattan with subsidized housing across the street.

I doubt they serve beer on the premises of Memorial Sloan Kettering. I've heard the opposite that Memorial Sloan Kettering has a lot of wards months. Hardly "cush": http://www.mskcc.org/education/internship/medicine-transitional-year-internship

 

[OpthoForMe]

I doubt they serve beer on the premises of Memorial Sloan Kettering. I've heard the opposite that Memorial Sloan Kettering has a lot of wards months. Hardly "cush": http://www.mskcc.org/education/internship/medicine-transitional-year-internship

Well they do at the lounge in the housing right across the street:
http://www.mskcc.org/research/current-incoming-postdocs/book/student-faculty-club
http://www.mskcc.org/events/social-hour/research-fellow-social-hours
http://www.mskcc.org/research/student-faculty-club/student-faculty-club-house-rules

They have a free happy hour every Friday and also every other Thursday with free wine+beer from Brooklyn Brewery.

MSK is a friendly and benign work environment where people get along and is definitely not nearly as bad as a typical prelim year. I don't understand why you put "cush" in quotes as you're the only person to have used that word in this thread. That schedule amounts to 7.5 floor months of varying intensity, and your patients are fairly sick because they are onc patients. This is made slightly easier by the fact that they receive essentially all of their care at MSK, so you have access to all of their health records and a detailed medical history in the chart, so you don't have to go hunting down info when admitting someone.

Other than that, surgery is not bad, ambulatory is essentially a vacation, you can do a month of research and whatever other electives you want, and you have a month of vacation, so it certainly shouldn't "run you into the ground." There is also no ICU exposure and though you do night float, you do not admit patients overnight and there is a team of hospitalists in house. It's a private hospital, the ancillary staff is on point and there's a team for everything, so there is also little to no scut like blood draws. Also, the salary is 65K+. Lots of pluses and a unique opportunity, although it's probably in between a cush TY and normal IM year in terms of overall difficulty for the floor rotations.

 

[DermViser]

Well they do:
http://www.mskcc.org/research/current-incoming-postdocs/book/student-faculty-club
http://www.mskcc.org/events/social-hour/research-fellow-social-hours
http://www.mskcc.org/research/student-faculty-club/student-faculty-club-house-rules

They have a free happy hour every Friday and also every other Thursday with free wine+beer from Brooklyn Brewery.

MSK is a friendly and benign work environment where people get along and is definitely not nearly as bad as a typical prelim year. I don't understand why you put "cush" in quotes as you're the only person to have used that word in this thread. That schedule amounts to 7.5 floor months of varying intensity, and your patients are fairly sick because they are onc patients. This is made slightly easier by the fact that they receive essentially all of their care at MSK, so you have access to all of their health records and a detailed medical history in the chart, so you don't have to go hunting down info when admitting someone.

Other than that, surgery is not bad, ambulatory is essentially a vacation, you can do a month of research and whatever other electives you want, and you have a month of vacation, so it certainly shouldn't "run you into the ground." There is also no ICU exposure and though you do night float, you do not admit patients overnight and their is a team of hospitalists in house. It's a private hospital, the ancillary staff is on point and there's a team for everything, so there is also little to no scut like blood draws. Also, the salary is 65K+. Lots of pluses and a unique opportunity, although it's probably in between a cush TY and normal IM year in terms of overall difficulty for the floor rotations.

I meant more at the inpatient hospital site. Not the Student-Faculty Club. Anyways, 26 weeks of inpatient IM is a lot for a prelim.