Did she get dismissed from residency?

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Maruko said:
http://anjaliramkissoon.org

would like to know the result of this case. did she get dismissed, lose her license, anything?
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Those people seriously have a lot of time on their hands. I don't think that she can lose her license over something like this. Kicked out of residency, sure. Never hired because of this? Plausible. But, having a license revoked is pretty hard to do.
 
Maruko said:
http://anjaliramkissoon.org

would like to know the result of this case. did she get dismissed, lose her license, anything?
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Wow. That website is super creepy. Even if we agree that the resident was acting highly unprofessionally, who would have that level of spite or hate to maintain this site?
 
mimelim said:
Those people seriously have a lot of time on their hands. I don't think that she can lose her license over something like this. Kicked out of residency, sure. Never hired because of this? Plausible. But, having a license revoked is pretty hard to do.
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well, i showed that website because it sums up the case...

i'm interested in knowing what actually happens to her in real life...
 
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Maruko said:
well, i gave that website because it sums up the case...

i'm interested in knowing what actually happens to her in real life...
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Oh no, I appreciate the link because honestly didn't pay that much attention the first time around and it was a good refresher. Doesn't make it any less crazy that someone went to the lengths that they did to compile of that. No question that this will haunt her and rightfully so. But, also no question in my mind that the person behind that site likely has their own personality problems going on...
 
i would seriously be disappointed if the residency chose to keep her despite this. residents have been fired for far less serious issues before, so that's why i'm interested in the outcome...
 
Yeah, browsing that site felt disgusting. Whoever did that has some serious issues of their own.

If I remember correctly, she is a carib grad whos father worked in Miami, who probably helped land her that residency. I'm sure she'll stay with the help of him.
 
mimelim said:
Oh no, I appreciate the link because honestly didn't pay that much attention the first time around and it was a good refresher. Doesn't make it any less crazy that someone went to the lengths that they did to compile of that. No question that this will haunt her and rightfully so. But, also no question in my mind that the person behind that site likely has their own personality problems going on...
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It kind of sounds like a vindictive ex.
 
i edited my OP post to show another link instead. that website is unreliable, okay, please focus on the case, please 🙂)
 
Maruko said:
i would seriously be disappointed if the residency chose to keep her despite this.
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Why? Does it affect you personally somehow?

Not defending her behavior, but her residency directors know her a lot better than the general public does. It's up to them to decide whether the video was the "straw the broke the camel's back" or a horrendous mistake and profound lapse of judgement... but also inconsistent and out of character for the resident they've worked with for 4 years. I'll defer any career-ending judgement to the people who know her best.

A lot of people seem to take this case very personally for some reason.

And that website is just insane and disgusting. (You were right to unlink it)
 
Morzh said:
Why? Does it affect you personally somehow?

Not defending her behavior, but her residency directors know her a lot better than the general public does. It's up to them to decide whether the video was the "straw the broke the camel's back" or a horrendous mistake and profound lapse of judgement... but also inconsistent and out of character for the resident they've worked with for 4 years. I'll defer any career-ending judgement to the people who know her best.

A lot of people seem to take this case very personally for some reason.

And that website is just insane and disgusting. (You were right to unlink it)
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i'm appalled that you asked that question.
this is not personal.
besides from her behavior being a crime, a doctor is a trusted position.
how can her patients trust her after something like that?
would you trust your family to a doctor like that?
and if she can get away with it, why can't other doctors, too?
what would become of the medical profession then?
 
Maruko said:
i'm appalled that you asked that question.
this is not personal.
besides from her behavior being a crime, a doctor is a trusted position.
how can her patients trust her after something like that?
would you trust your family to a doctor like that?
and if she can get away with it, why can't other doctors, too?
what would become of the medical profession then?
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She was drunk and made a bad decision, calm the fk down. She could be an amazing doctor for all you know...
 
Maruko said:
i'm appalled that you asked that question.
this is not personal.
besides from her behavior being a crime, a doctor is a trusted position.
how can her patients trust her after something like that?
would you trust your family to a doctor like that?
and if she can get away with it, why can't other doctors, too?
what would become of the medical profession then?
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Realistically she's probably gonna have some sort of anger management class to attend for the next decade or so lol... That'll be the worst of what the hospital does. She didn't do this on the job, she didn't endanger a patients life and she apologized on 3 media outlets. If the hospital let her go that would free them up for a wrongful termination suit.

I mean we all do dumb things. The only difference is she had a camera rolling when she was at her lowest.


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567WingsO'Heaven said:
She didn't do this on the job, she didn't endanger a patients life and she apologized on 3 media outlets. If the hospital let her go that would free them up for a wrongful termination suit.
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well, if a person stabbed someone far away from the hospital, could we say, "he didn't do this on the job, he stabbed someone else and not a patient"?
 
Maruko said:
many drunk people can keep it to themselves.
"oh she was drunk" is not an excuse, otherwise all crimes committed while drunk would be forgiven.
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Your slippery slope argument is so middle school. She didn't commit a murder. Yes, what she did was highly unprofessional and sloppy. However, one bad decision does not make a person bad. She was very unlucky to have someone record what she did and post it online for all to know. I'm 100% plenty of doctors have done worse **** on their free time, but are still phenomenal clinicians when at work. Should she get punished for it? Yes. Should she get kicked out of residency for an isolated incident? Eh.. I have classmates who have gotten DUIs and gotten into accidents (which is arguable more dangerous/a worse offense than what this resident did) and yet they are still gonna be doctors. Maybe she'll continue practicing medicine after enlisting with PRN?
 
Maruko said:
well, if a person stabbed someone far away from the hospital, could we say, "he didn't do this on the job, he stabbed someone else and not a patient"?
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Definitely not the same thing... Let's just hope you never slip up and be so unfortunate to have someone record you at your low point. Maybe then you'll be more understanding. I'm not saying what she did was right but she clearly has learned a lesson here and was likely humbled. Bottom line is, she won't get terminated and in 5 years, you better believe all traces of the incident will be buried in the abyss that is Google (assuming she has a good PR team).


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Flamen04 said:
Your slippery slope argument is so middle school. She didn't commit a murder. Yes, what she did was highly unprofessional and sloppy. However, one bad decision does not make a person bad. She was very unlucky to have someone record what she did and post it online for all to know. I'm 100% plenty of doctors have done worse **** on their free time, but are still phenomenal clinicians when at work. Should she get punished for it? Yes. Should she get kicked out of residency for an isolated incident? Eh.. I have classmates who have gotten DUIs and gotten into accidents (which is arguable more dangerous/a worse offense than what this resident did) and yet they are still gonna be doctors. Maybe she'll continue practicing medicine after enlisting with PRN?
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what did she was breaking the law.
oh so you draw the line at MURDER?
 
567WingsO'Heaven said:
Realistically she's probably gonna have some sort of anger management class to attend for the next decade or so lol... That'll be the worst of what the hospital does. She didn't do this on the job, she didn't endanger a patients life and she apologized on 3 media outlets. If the hospital let her go that would free them up for a wrongful termination suit.

I mean we all do dumb things. The only difference is she had a camera rolling when she was at her lowest.
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Well a wrongful termination suit isn't something she is likely to prevail in after she was involved in an incident that made national news. You are allowed to fire your employees for outrageously unprofessional conduct that ends up on the evening news.

It also wouldn't be a good strategic move on her part to keep this in the news by suing.

The real question for the hospital is more likely does her reputation impact juries when she ultimately does something actionable in a patient care setting, and is it worth it to them to stick their neck out.
 
Law2Doc said:
Well a wrongful termination suit isn't something she is likely to prevail in after she was involved in an incident that made national news. You are allowed to fire your employees for outrageously unprofessional conduct that ends up on the evening news.

It also wouldn't be a good strategic move on her part to keep this in the news by suing.

The real question for the hospital is more likely does her reputation impact juries when she ultimately does something actionable in a patient care setting, and is it worth it to them to stick their neck out.
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Not too sure about the contractual details associated with employment at hospitals but does a resident have to agree to not draw publicity to the hospital?


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567WingsO'Heaven said:
Not too sure about the contractual details associated with employment at hospitals but does a resident have to agree to not draw publicity to the hospital?


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You agree to conduct yourself professionally. And you also agree to abide by your hospitals handbook which inevitably has a lot of "professional conduct" language. So kind of.

She won't win on wrongful termination if she's terminated for this.
 
medic86 said:
It kind of sounds like a vindictive ex.
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My initial thoughts as well.

From a practical standpoint, I find it hard to see her residency kicking her out. If one of our residents did that, I am on the fence as to what we would do. I would be in favor of kicking out, mainly because I don't really want my program associated with that. But, despite how much I dislike this person, I don't personally buy that she will inherently be a dangerous physician.

567WingsO'Heaven said:
Not too sure about the contractual details associated with employment at hospitals but does a resident have to agree to not draw publicity to the hospital?


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For unrelated reasons I recently reviewed my contract in excruciating detail a couple of weeks ago. We certainly do not have something like that.
 
mimelim said:
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For unrelated reasons I recently reviewed my contract in excruciating detail a couple of weeks ago. We certainly do not have something like that.
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You likely agreed that you'd read and would abide by your hospitals handbook. There's a ton of vague "professionalism" language in those (thrown in by lawyers precisely for this kind of unpredictable situation).
 
567WingsO'Heaven said:
Let's just hope you never slip up and be so unfortunate to have someone record you at your low point. Maybe then you'll be more understanding.
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you can rest assured of that i'm nothing remotely like that.

i understand her behavior, therefore i don't have sympathy for this kind of thing.
 
Law2Doc said:
You likely agreed that you'd read and would abide by your hospitals handbook. There's a ton of vague "professionalism" language in those (thrown in by lawyers precisely for this kind of unpredictable situation).
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Well that's promising haha...


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Maruko said:
i'm appalled that you asked that question.
this is not personal.
besides from her behavior being a crime, a doctor is a trusted position.
how can her patients trust her after something like that?
would you trust your family to a doctor like that?
and if she can get away with it, why can't other doctors, too?
what would become of the medical profession then?
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Oh I forgot, every good doctor has never ever done a single thing wrong in their life. Nor are they fallible like a, you know, a human.
 
This situation is really hard.

Does she get terminated because the "event" is unprofessional enough that her program feels she no longer can be a physician?

Or does she get terminated because she's attracting bad press to the hospital?

Said another way, if the exact same thing happened but it didn't end up on the internet, yet the program found out about it, what would be the right response?

I don't know the answers to these questions.
 
piii said:
Oh I forgot, every good doctor has never ever done a single thing wrong in their life. Nor are they fallible like a, you know, a human.
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Everybody makes mistakes. Not all mistakes are created equally however. At the end of the day whether you conduct yourself professionally will be evaluated subjectively by others.
 
The number of idiotic things I've done while drunk(and sober) sometimes makes me wonder how I didn't end up on the internets. But I didn't and none of them were assaulting another person bad, and most of them were out of the country, so I guess that means that I'm an okay health professional. Right?


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aProgDirector said:
This situation is really hard.



I don't know the answers to these questions.
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aProgDirector said:
This situation is really hard.

Does she get terminated because the "event" is unprofessional enough that her program feels she no longer can be a physician?

Or does she get terminated because she's attracting bad press to the hospital?

Said another way, if the exact same thing happened but it didn't end up on the internet, yet the program found out about it, what would be the right response?

I don't know the answers to these questions.
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She would have gotten a slap on the wrist!
 
When a medical school applicant is known to exhibit this kind of behavior, he won't be admitted to medical school. I guess it makes all the difference when one has graduated?
 
Pacna said:
Applicant value <<<< PGY-4 value
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Yeah, the systemic investment in education and training of a resident far outweighs that of a premed. It's like comparing the value of a lump of coal to a synthetic diamond -- the latter has involved lots of external investment of resources so you think harder before casting it aside.
 
Flamen04 said:
Your slippery slope argument is so middle school. She didn't commit a murder. Yes, what she did was highly unprofessional and sloppy. However, one bad decision does not make a person bad. She was very unlucky to have someone record what she did and post it online for all to know. I'm 100% plenty of doctors have done worse **** on their free time, but are still phenomenal clinicians when at work. Should she get punished for it? Yes. Should she get kicked out of residency for an isolated incident? Eh.. I have classmates who have gotten DUIs and gotten into accidents (which is arguable more dangerous/a worse offense than what this resident did) and yet they are still gonna be doctors. Maybe she'll continue practicing medicine after enlisting with PRN?
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To the first bolded, there is a major difference between a 'bad decision' and assaulting someone and then trying to flee from the cops. To the second bolded, yes, it's far worse/more dangerous of an offense, and I'd be ashamed to be affiliated with the institution which allows such an individual with a DUI off with a slap on the wrist.

piii said:
Oh I forgot, every good doctor has never ever done a single thing wrong in their life. Nor are they fallible like a, you know, a human.
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No, plenty of people make mistakes, but most of them don't involve assault and trying to flee from the police. If she had been a man she wouldn't have just been suspended, she would have gone to jail that night, and I see no reason to take it easy on her just because "other people make mistakes too".

W19 said:
Yeah... Let's revoke every physician's license who has a DWI citation...
Whether you like it or not, the line has to be drawn somewhere!
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A physician who can't control their drinking and makes such poor decisions while under the influence should not be practicing. That doesn't necessarily mean they should lose their license, but they should be suspended and have some serious therapy/monitoring until they can prove it's not an issue before they get to see patients again.
 
Dr Anjali Ramkissoon was intoxicated with alcohol and acted in a manner not becoming of the physician profession and especially not of the quality of resident physician we expect here at XYZ... A dismissal every time.


Be careful all medical students, residents - after exams, breaks we all had a good time, but with current tech, it's all on video. Have a good time, but don't get stupid, don't snapchat or text, never talk about patients via the "airwaves." Forget about Facebook.

It's a brave new world. I think within about 20 years we'll all be wearing cameras documenting patient encounters - this will be mandated by law after advocacy groups and insurance groups lobby hard enough - it's not something I'd like to see, but I'll take bets 😉

Also, let her practice. We need neurologists. She screwed up, fine, pay dues, go back to work and get verbally shelled for years.
 
LabMonster said:
It's a brave new world. I think within about 20 years we'll all be wearing cameras documenting patient encounters
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Combined with up-and-coming AI tech, these will replace scribes. :biglove:
 
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