Difference Between MD and DO . HELP!

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I was looking into some Medical Schools, and many people have told me because of my low GPA (3.2 out of 4.0) DO is the best thing to do.

However, I have never even heard of DO. Everyone only really talks about MD degree.
Can someone tell me the differences?

Are DO still physicians/doctors?
Is it the same amount of studying?
What is the MAIN difference?
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency?
Any salary difference?

Sorry about all these questions, I just want to know more about DO and if it is the right path for me. Please no trolling, just comment if you can help.
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I was looking into some Medical Schools, and many people have told me because of my low GPA (3.2 out of 4.0) DO is the best thing to do.

However, I have never even heard of DO. Everyone only really talks about MD degree.
Can someone tell me the differences?

Are DO still physicians/doctors?
Is it the same amount of studying?
What is the MAIN difference?
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency?
Any salary difference?

Sorry about all these questions, I just want to know more about DO and if it is the right path for me. Please no trolling, just comment if you can help.
Thank you to the SDN family who always help out!
With a 3.2 GPA you should be intellectually capable of doing some internet research on your own and you won't need to ask such uninformed questions. Google search is your friend.
 
I was looking into some Medical Schools, and many people have told me because of my low GPA (3.2 out of 4.0) DO is the best thing to do.

However, I have never even heard of DO. Everyone only really talks about MD degree.
Can someone tell me the differences?

Are DO still physicians/doctors?
Is it the same amount of studying?
What is the MAIN difference?
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency?
Any salary difference?

Sorry about all these questions, I just want to know more about DO and if it is the right path for me. Please no trolling, just comment if you can help.
Thank you to the SDN family who always help out!

If you have a little more specific question I'm sure someone would answer, but you definitely need to do a quick Google search. Best idea is to visit the AACOM website


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If you have a little more specific question I'm sure someone would answer, but you definitely need to do a quick Google search. Best idea is to visit the AACOM website


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There are 5 different questions that I have asked..
 
With a 3.2 GPA you should be intellectually capable of doing some internet research on your own and you won't need to ask such uninformed questions. Google search is your friend.

I have done research. A lot of different answers. Wanted to get peoples opinions. I mean damn, this post bothered you so much you had to come and comment too? LMAO you should be "intellectually capable" of just ignoring the post if you were going to get butt hurt about it..
 
I have done research. A lot of different answers. Wanted to get peoples opinions. I mean damn, this post bothered you so much you had to come and comment too? LMAO you should be "intellectually capable" of just ignoring the post if you were going to get butt hurt about it..

I sense a ban hammer in the near future for you. People have already shared their opinions on the million and one other threads on this topic. I repeat, get out. No we don't answer asinine questions that sound like they came from a high school sophomore.
 
I sense a ban hammer in the near future for you. People have already shared their opinions on the million and one other threads on this topic. I repeat, get out. No we don't answer asinine questions that sound like they came from a high school sophomore.

Short answer is not much difference between MD and DO and a 3.2 isn't good for either. Do some research on your own and act like someone who wants to be a physician.


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I was looking into some Medical Schools, and many people have told me because of my low GPA (3.2 out of 4.0) DO is the best thing to do.

However, I have never even heard of DO. Everyone only really talks about MD degree.
Can someone tell me the differences?

Are DO still physicians/doctors?
Is it the same amount of studying?
What is the MAIN difference?
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency?
Any salary difference?

Sorry about all these questions, I just want to know more about DO and if it is the right path for me. Please no trolling, just comment if you can help.
Thank you to the SDN family who always help out!

3.2 is bad for both. Better work on it.

Are DO still physicians/doctors? Yes.
Is it the same amount of studying? Yes, DOs have to study OMM too, which is like trying to study magic.
What is the MAIN difference? DOs learn OMM, MDs do not. That's it.
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency? For anything other than FP/Peds/Low-tier IM: Yes.
Any salary difference? No.
 
work on your grades and clearly learn more about what you are getting yourself into, many schools won't even give you a secondary with a 3.2 unless your MCAT is above average. I have a 3.6 and have received das boot from schools, so don't think DO is necessarily an easy cop out GPA wise. I don't know if you are a troll or not but there are literally 9,000,000 threads discussing this issue. Check yo self before you wreck yo self, this is not the place for dumb questions.
 
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3.2 is bad for both. Better work on it.

Are DO still physicians/doctors? Yes.
Is it the same amount of studying? Yes, DOs have to study OMM too, which is like trying to study magic.
What is the MAIN difference? DOs learn OMM, MDs do not. That's it.
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency? For anything other than FP/Peds/Low-tier IM: Yes.
Any salary difference? No.

This. (Not all of OMM is like studying magic... but some definitely is)
 
3.2 is bad for both. Better work on it.

Are DO still physicians/doctors? Yes.
Is it the same amount of studying? Yes, DOs have to study OMM too, which is like trying to study magic.
What is the MAIN difference? DOs learn OMM, MDs do not. That's it.
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency? For anything other than FP/Peds/Low-tier IM: Yes.
Any salary difference? No.

Why are you not making them search for it themselves. There SO MUCH INFO out there that answers all of this consistently.
 
I was looking into some Medical Schools, and many people have told me because of my low GPA (3.2 out of 4.0) DO is the best thing to do.

However, I have never even heard of DO. Everyone only really talks about MD degree.
Can someone tell me the differences?

Sorry about all these questions, I just want to know more about DO and if it is the right path for me. Please no trolling, just comment if you can help.
Thank you to the SDN family who always help out!

Are DO still physicians/doctors? No, they're overpaid chiropractors.
Is it the same amount of studying? Yes, and more.
What is the MAIN difference? You tell me.
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency? DOs are literally doomed to FP and IM, without any chances of specialization.
Any salary difference? Yes, you will be at least 10-15% underpaid in comparison to your MD peers when it comes to contract negotiation.
 
Now, now, let's be scientific here: They're unproven claims.

But point taken on magic...when when I have a musculoskeletal issue, I make a bee-line for the office of my colleague in the OMM/OMT Dep't Dr ED. He's well, a magician! Fixes me every time.

Just do NOT get me started on cranial or Chapman's points!

Is it the same amount of studying? Yes, DOs have to study OMM too, which is like trying to study magic.
 

Just dropping this here for OP if he needs to learn more. it's 40 minutes by the way!!
 
Pretty sure there's a sticky in this forum that includes every one of these questions.
 
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Are DO still physicians/doctors? No, they're overpaid chiropractors.
Is it the same amount of studying? Yes, and more.
What is the MAIN difference? You tell me.
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency? DOs are literally doomed to FP and IM, without any chances of specialization.
Any salary difference? Yes, you will be at least 10-15% underpaid in comparison to your MD peers when it comes to contract negotiation.
 
OP DO is much harder than MD, as you will have to learn the self cranio-rectal removal technique very early on. So IMO you should probably do one or maybe several masters programs, ace all of your classes, score a 520+ on the MCAT and go MD. DO classmates will be thankful! 😉

That or you could do some reading on SDN (as recommended numerous times) and a bit of research. THEN if you have a specific question that isn't answered on the AACOM or almost any DO school website most here would be very happy to answer it.
 
3.2 is bad for both. Better work on it.
Is it the same amount of studying? Yes, DOs have to study OMM too, which is like trying to study magic.

Sounds like someone just repeats what they hear from others. Some OMM is crazy, but a LOT of the procedures work. I highly doubt an insurance company would allow a magic spell to be coded and billed for payment.
 
This thread looooooool

Btw op, DOs are not doomed to FP or IM. Just going to leave that out there.


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Also, I was wondering if after residency DO can go on and do a Specialty?

I'm sure it's been made abundantly clear by now, but I'll explain it to you as well lol

A DO is a fully functioning physician in the U.S. And is recognized as such by almost all first world countries.

A DO learns everything an MD learns during medical school plus Osteopathic Manipulation. Which as been shown to have some clinical applications, but is largely seen as snake oil by most physicians.

Here is where it gets a little hairy. A DO can specialize in anything an MD can, but most DO graduates go into primary care (Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, Emergency Medicine, Pediatrics, obstetrics and gynecology). This is because of a couple of factors:

1) largely most DO schools are situated in rural/ medically underserved areas. So their main goals is to provide the general area with primary care physicians. So in some ways the medical students at a DO school are almost groomed for primary care. Look at school missions for places like WVSOM, CUSOM, or LMU-DCOM.

2) most competitive specialties (Orthopedic Surgery, Neurosurgery, ENT, And Dermatology) are at large/prestigious MD programs that will blatantly throw away DO applications. In addition, there are only a few programs that accept DOs/ are DO only programs, so they get their pick of the litter.

3) post AOA/ACGME residency merger there will no longer be DO-only residencies for competitive residencies. Truthfully, no one really knows what will happen, so do not freak out when you see someone claiming "THE MD/DO MERGER WILL DESTROY THE DO PROFESSION." They are talking out of their ass and have no idea what they are talking about. Most likely residencies will get more competitive, but in a good way. As in a Medical student that makes exclusively C's and barely passed board exams will have a harder/impossible time placing as compared to an A/B student who did well on his boards.

The people who lose out are bad US medical graduates and the international medical graduates (low quality international medical programs and the Carribean). Don't let anyone tell you that you will not get a residency post merger as a DO student. As long as you do well and don't fail multiple years/ take your boards 3+ times to pass you will be fine. Even if some of the AOA residencies shut down, there are still more residency programs than there are US medical students (MD and DO).

Just focus on attending a U.S. Medical school (MD or DO), and be a successful medical student. If you do that, you will be well on your way to becoming a practicing physician.



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This thread looooooool

Btw op, DOs are not doomed to FP or IM. Just going to leave that out there.


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B-but the ACGME merger will let the superior MD crush the filthy DOs like the rats they are! I will NOT attend a residency if I have to share it with those filthy pleb DOs.

Don't tell me muh superior MD aspirations are equal to the aspirations of the idiot who only got a B+ in organic chemistry! He does not deserve to be a doctor like my superior 104 average A+ self.


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Are DO still physicians/doctors? No, they're overpaid chiropractors.
Is it the same amount of studying? Yes, and more.
What is the MAIN difference? You tell me.
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency? DOs are literally doomed to FP and IM, without any chances of specialization.
Any salary difference? Yes, you will be at least 10-15% underpaid in comparison to your MD peers when it comes to contract negotiation.

Misread sarcasm. My post was bad and I feel bad


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B-but the ACGME merger will let the superior MD crush the filthy DOs like the rats they are! I will NOT attend a residency if I have to share it with those filthy pleb DOs.

Don't tell me muh superior MD aspirations are equal to the aspirations of the idiot who only got a B+ in organic chemistry! He does not deserve to be a doctor like my superior 104 average A+ self.


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Well I guess you're **** out of luck because they don't let the mentally challenged into medical school. MD or DO. Your post literally made me question your intelligence. Your mom should really have your caretaker revoke your internet privileges because you clearly do not have the mental capacity to use it.


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I think he may have meant that in sarcasm hahaha it's definitely hard to sense sarcasm over sdn


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I think he may have meant that in sarcasm hahaha it's definitely hard to sense sarcasm over sdn


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This forum turns into a place for all of us who are waiting for interviews/acceptances to let out our bubbling frustrations haha


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I'm sure it's been made abundantly clear by now, but I'll explain it to you as well lol

A DO is a fully functioning physician in the U.S. And is recognized as such by almost all first world countries.

A DO learns everything an MD learns during medical school plus Osteopathic Manipulation. Which as been shown to have some clinical applications, but is largely seen as snake oil by most physicians.

Here is where it gets a little hairy. A DO can specialize in anything an MD can, but most DO graduates go into primary care (Family Medicine, Internal Medicine, Emergency Medicine, Pediatrics, obstetrics and gynecology). This is because of a couple of factors:

1) largely most DO schools are situated in rural/ medically underserved areas. So their main goals is to provide the general area with primary care physicians. So in some ways the medical students at a DO school are almost groomed for primary care. Look at school missions for places like WVSOM, CUSOM, or LMU-DCOM.

2) most competitive specialties (Orthopedic Surgery, Neurosurgery, ENT, And Dermatology) are at large/prestigious MD programs that will blatantly throw away DO applications. In addition, there are only a few programs that accept DOs/ are DO only programs, so they get their pick of the litter.

3) post AOA/ACGME residency merger there will no longer be DO-only residencies for competitive residencies. Truthfully, no one really knows what will happen, so do not freak out when you see someone claiming "THE MD/DO MERGER WILL DESTROY THE DO PROFESSION." They are talking out of their ass and have no idea what they are talking about. Most likely residencies will get more competitive, but in a good way. As in a Medical student that makes exclusively C's and barely passed board exams will have a harder/impossible time placing as compared to an A/B student who did well on his boards.

The people who lose out are bad US medical graduates and the international medical graduates (low quality international medical programs and the Carribean). Don't let anyone tell you that you will not get a residency post merger as a DO student. As long as you do well and don't fail multiple years/ take your boards 3+ times to pass you will be fine. Even if some of the AOA residencies shut down, there are still more residency programs than there are US medical students (MD and DO).

Just focus on attending a U.S. Medical school (MD or DO), and be a successful medical student. If you do that, you will be well on your way to becoming a practicing physician.



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Why can't more people give replies like this guy? I always thought this forum was meant to help people. If you guys want to become doctors, then what will happen if a patient asks you a question that you feel he or she should know the answer to? Would you say google it, or would you give a sarcastic answer?
 
There are a lot of jerks in the forum, try to ignore them OP.

Are DO still physicians/doctors? Yes (in the united states especially)
Is it the same amount of studying? Approximately, DO students have an additional course called OMM (kind of like chiropractor stuff). MD students focus a little more on biochem and other things
What is the MAIN difference? Same answer as previous question
Is it HARDER for DO to get a residency? things are changing, eventually the DO and MD residency programs will be "merging" how ever each residency program is unique and their opinion of the prestige on DO's is unique to the program director. Currently MD's usually get 1st choice and DO's second, internationals get third.
Any salary difference? Not directly but DO's do tend to go into primary care specialties.
 
Well I guess you're **** out of luck because they don't let the mentally challenged into medical school. MD or DO. Your post literally made me question your intelligence. Your mom should really have your caretaker revoke your internet privileges because you clearly do not have the mental capacity to use it.
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I'm already in med school. Sit down, premed.
 
Why can't more people give replies like this guy? I always thought this forum was meant to help people. If you guys want to become doctors, then what will happen if a patient asks you a question that you feel he or she should know the answer to? Would you say google it, or would you give a sarcastic answer?

LOL. You're going to get a harsh reality check when you're in medical school if this is your expectation. I have news for you. Your professor won't tell you jack except pearls of wisdom that will piss you off and force you to google stuff on webmd for your own education.
 
Sarcasm doesn't travel well over the electrons, y'know?

Well I guess you're **** out of luck because they don't let the mentally challenged into medical school. MD or DO. Your post literally made me question your intelligence. Your mom should really have your caretaker revoke your internet privileges because you clearly do not have the mental capacity to use it.


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LOL. You're going to get a harsh reality check when you're in medical school if this is your expectation. I have news for you. Your professor won't tell you jack except pearls of wisdom that will piss you off and force you to google stuff on webmd for your own education.

Ok...but this isn't medical school. It's a website to help each other out, and to provide information. If you don't want to help, then don't reply.
 
Ok...but this isn't medical school. It's a website to help each other out, and to provide information. If you don't want to help, then don't reply.

Agreed. Telling someone to get out for asking a question? Yeah MD vs DO has been beaten like a dead horse but if you get that worked up over it then chill and skip the thread.
 
Sounds like someone just repeats what they hear from others. Some OMM is crazy, but a LOT of the procedures work. I highly doubt an insurance company would allow a magic spell to be coded and billed for payment.

some of it is Bs, but most of it has useful applications. At my interview yesterday, an MD faculty was talking about OMM and how the percussive techniques are good for diagnosing things like pneumonia


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some of it is Bs, but most of it has useful applications. At my interview yesterday, an MD faculty was talking about OMM and how the percussive techniques are good for diagnosing things like pneumonia


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You just reiterated exactly what I said..
 
Sounds like someone just repeats what they hear from others. Some OMM is crazy, but a LOT of the procedures work. I highly doubt an insurance company would allow a magic spell to be coded and billed for payment.

I'd just like to point out that some insurance companies pay for homeopathy, sooooooo . . .
 
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