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- Dec 28, 2005
- Other Health Professions Student
What is the difference between a clinical professor and a clinical instructor/lecturer?
I think professors do research and are full employees of the university, a lecturer might practice in the university and teach or practice outside and teach.jonathon said:
If it's like other graduate schooling (eg. law), then instructor is just an early step in the path to becoming a professor someday.jonathon said:
In the academic world it goes instructor, assistant prof, associate prof, full prof. I always get assist and associate mixed up so that order may be switched.Law2Doc said:If it's like other graduate schooling (eg. law), then instructor is just an early step in the path to becoming a professor someday.
that summed it upvwhan said:In the academic world it goes instructor, assistant prof, associate prof, full prof. I always get assist and associate mixed up so that order may be switched.
Residents aka house officers are also known as clinical instructors at my institution. Then your run of the mill attending will be associate professor, next step above that toward tenure is assistant professor, then top of the food chain is professor. I think that's the pecking order (i may have switched associate and assistant, i'm not sure).jonathon said:
Tenure is actually becoming a rarity and thing of the past. Most professors don't have tenure any more.sscooterguy said:From my understanding, Professors have tenure meaning they techically cannot be fired (unless it is something that endangers someone's life or is something like sexual harrassment, etc), usually have lots of research, and in many cases, have pensions and other perks tagged on to their contracts.
Hi there,jonathon said:
Hey, I'm rare!!Law2Doc said:Tenure is actually becoming a rarity and thing of the past. Most professors don't have tenure any more.
Where did you hear this? Are you talking about profession tenure track positions; e.g. medical school tenure positions? I think the number of tenure track positions is decreasing in academia, secondary to decreased funding and the cost effectiveness of lecturers/ instructors - but I wouldn't say it's a rarity or that most professors don't have tenure (yet anyways). I am about to start Grade 26 - med student with a PhD (that's right, I have evaded the "real world" for over three decades) and am yet to meet a professor or see a fellow grad (PhD) that was not looking for a tenure track position, fighting for tenure, already tenured, or bitter about not getting it/ or bitter that their position is non-tenured position.Law2Doc said:Tenure is actually becoming a rarity and thing of the past. Most professors don't have tenure any more.
In the University System of Georgia, a faculty member must be at least an assistant prof to be considered for tenure. An instructor is hired either in a tenure-track position or a 1-year temporary position (which can become a tenure-track position when a position becomes available). Interestingly enough, practice degress (non PhD or EdD) cannot be considered for full-professor). Full professor is a research faculty position.IUSM said:I do not know of one full professor that doesn't have tenure. I don't even know if they exist, to be honest!
Associate profs generally have tenure, but some do not. Being "promoted" (from asst to assocaite prof) is a separate process from being "tenured", though most "PTR" (promotion and tenure review) commitees review both at the same time. Thus, one can be promoted with tenure (rare).
Asst profs generally do not have tenure.