Differences between MD and NP?

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Hi SDNers,

Just curious because my friends are considering NP rather than MD for lifestyle reasons. It sorta made me wonder myself...

So what are the differences?
Do NPs have a better lifestyle?
Do MDs get more autonomy/responsibility? more versatility in career settings?
other stuff?

cheers,
sunflower79
 
NPs are RNs with advanced training. They are able to care for patients in a similar manner to physicians, however, their academics are somewhat different. My only contact has been with our FNP (family practice NP).

There is definitely a lifestyle difference. there isn't as much call and she does not have to supervise residents. She does not have to see inpatients. However, at least in NYS, an NP has to work in a collaborative manner with a physician, i.e. they cannot be completely independent practitioners. This does vary from state to state, and by specialty.

From an economic standpoint, NPs are good business - they cost less than an MD, and can see a lot of the basic stuff that is commonly seen in most clinical settings.

It is a very U.S.-type of career. Most countries outside of the U.S. (at least as I have been told by a current NP, i could be wrong) do not acknowledge NPs or their advanced training, and would prefer MDs. (one NP can't participate in Doctors without Borders as an NP...only as an RN....she was pretty bummed about that)

Medical societies have varying opinions re: NPs or "midlevel providers"...for example the American Academy of Pediatrics has recently put out a policy statement that whenever possible pediatric patients should be cared for by an MD (although there are a lot of pediatric nurse practitioners)

Personally, I feel you go with whatever calling you feel you have..mine was the MD, and I can make my lifestyle whatever I choose it to be. I would be limiting myself by picking anything "less" than an MD career track. I respect my NP colleagues and have even learned a couple of things from them, for them...the NP was their calling. it's different strokes for different folks...
 
hey,

i think PA/NP are also addressed as "dr."?!?!?
 
nope-you need to be an md/do to legally be called" doctor". a lot of patients call their np/pa their "doc" but it is not legal for anyone except a physician to represent themselves as such( see the difference...)
and yes dpm's and pharmd's are doctors but I think you all know what I mean...
 
Originally posted by Yogi Bear
hey,

i think PA/NP are also addressed as "dr."?!?!?


Yeah--at the clinic I work at all the patients and nurses call them "Dr"
 
I have worked in a clinic staffed primarily by NP's for the past 5 years, so I think I have some perspective on this issue. Here in OR, NP's can practice w/out a doctor present, which gives them a lot more independence than in some states; also, they certainly have a lifestyle advantage in some ways, as their postgraduate education is only 2-3 years (master's level), with no residency, and most NP jobs require little or no on call. At my clinic, the NP's basically function as doctors: they perform exams, make diagnoses, prescribe medication, etc. The pay range certainly isn't bad--$50,000-70,000+--especially considering that most don't graduate with the mountains of debt MD's generally face. Also, the demand for NP's is rising, as HMO's and hospitals are using them more and more in place of doctors for routine care as a cost-cutting measure.

So that's the good stuff; but there is obviously a downside as well, depending on what you're looking for. I have certainly considered both degrees as options, but came to the conclusion that NP is not for me. Even in OR, which is a fairly liberal state as far as who it allows to practice medicine and the restrictions it places on them, NP's have to operate under strict guidelines if a physician is not present when they see patients. At the clinic where I work, there is a set of protocols they have to follow that states what they can and can't treat, and most non-routine care has to be referred to an MD. So, autonomy and freedom to see and treat patients is restricted; and in many states, NP's can't even practice unless a doctor is there at all times looking over their shoulder and approving their decisions, and they can only write Rx's in some states as well (geographically limiting, if you want more freedom to practice). Of course, there is less responsibility and liability directly on you, but you trade that for the ability to have an unrestricted practice. It seems that the trend is towards giving more of these freedoms to NP's and PA's, but it will probably be a long time before NP's nationwide have even the practicing rights given in OR.

You are also restricted in the types of medicine you can practice: NP's can focus their education in areas like pediatrics, family medicine, women's health, and psychiatry, but not specialized areas like surgery (although I have heard there are surgical PA programs) or dermatology. This is fine if you know you want to be a general practitioner, but if you are considering a more specialized branch of medicine this could be frustrating. I don't know what area of medicine I want to practice in yet, so I want to keep my options open. Finally, the education you receive as an NP differs substantially from that of an MD. While I have been consistently impressed with the skill and knowledge of the NP's I work with, their education is neither as broad or deep an exploration into the functioning of the human body as the one you receive in medical school. To some people this matters more or less, but part of my motivation to enter medical school is a fascination with the human body, which I woud like to understand as deeply as I can. NP's receive a more than adequate education in this area, but if you desire a more complete understanding of the human body, medical school is obviously the best place to receive this.

So, being an NP can be a great way to have a satisfying career in medicine in which you can practice a wide range of general medical care, without the cost and time of going to med school, as long as you are willing to accept the restrictions of the profession in terms of autonomy, areas of practice (both specialization and geographical), and education.
 
Originally posted by emedpa
nope-you need to be an md/do to legally be called" doctor". a lot of patients call their np/pa their "doc" but it is not legal for anyone except a physician to represent themselves as such( see the difference...)
and yes dpm's and pharmd's are doctors but I think you all know what I mean...

actually, i think that they ARE called doctor. dr. generally refers to post-graduate stuff (i.e. dentists, optomitrst, MD, etc.). Thus, they are like "doctor of nursing" or something. correct me if i'm wrong.

http://www.smmc.org/medstaff/physinfo.php?choice=mcd_c (random website w/ an NP listed as "dr." on the title of the website).
 
To my knowledge, NP's are not called "doctor." Doctor refers to a doctoral degree holder (MD, DO, DDS, DMD, DVM, DPM, OD, DPM, PhD, PharmD, etc).

NP's do not receive doctoral degrees from their training, so they are not "doctors." There is doctor of nursing, but this isn't it.
 
Lawyers actually obtain a doctoral degree a ?Juris Doctor? and they are not called ?Doctor? unless they are a professor. I never really understood that because the go through the same amount of graduate training as a physician. So I doubt that NP are supposed to carry the title. Technically a doctor is someone who holds the highest degree that is offered in that field. So, is a NP the highest degree or is a PhD in nursing higher.
 
BREWSTER IS CORRECT. THERE ARE PA'S AND NP'S WHO GO ON TO GET PHD'S BUT THEY CAN ONLY BE CALLED DOCTOR IN A LECTURE(NON-CLINICAL) SITUATION.
 
Originally posted by Yogi Bear
actually, i think that they ARE called doctor. dr. generally refers to post-graduate stuff (i.e. dentists, optomitrst, MD, etc.). Thus, they are like "doctor of nursing" or something. correct me if i'm wrong.

There are several academic options for NPs. RNs can obtain a master's of science degree in nursing (MSN) in order to practice medicine. However, some choose a more academic or research oriented career, in which case they can pursue a Doctor of Nursing Science (DNSc) during which they conduct research similar to that of a PhD student. These "doctors" usually go on to be professors or have other careers in academia. Additionally, a growing trend is the DrNP degree (doctor of nursing practice) which is meant to be obtained by a MSN who wants to further enhance their clinical skills and continue to practice medicine.

My mother, who is an NP with an MSN, tries to correct her patients when they call her "doctor." She tells them to call her by her first name. However, the majority are resistant to this. I think when you're sick and someone in a white coat comes into the room and tries to help you get well and feel better, that's a "doctor" to most people.

In their training, NPs draw from the tradition and philosophy of nursing and place a lot of emphasis on "treating the whole person" their coursework includes discussion of cultural compentancy, psycosocial issues, the role of family/community, etc. They incorporate this way of thinking into forming a treatment plan with their patients.

They may specialize in several areas including: acute care, oncology, anesthesiology, and psychiatry. As well as the more "traditional" fields of adult/geriatric, family medicine, pediatrics, neonatal, midwifery, and women's health/OBGYN.

Here at Columbia, a group of NPs have their own practice. While they still collaborate with physicians (this phrase usually means they refer to specialists when the problem goes outside of their scope of practice NOT that someone is standing over their shoulder to approve every lab test and treatment decision), they have admitting privledges to Columbia-Presbyterian Hospital and they are fully covered as a primary care provider by major insurance companies and is a recognized Medicare provider.

For more info about the Columbia clinic: http://www.capna.com/about.html
 
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