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I'd like to get some input regarding opioid use in the chronic pain population. I've gotten a few patients with chronic myofascial pain or fibromyalgia on high doses of oxycontin. We have "the talk", and I explain that it's not appropriate to use this type of regimen for their type of pain. I first try to maximize adjuvant treatments while titrating down on the oxy. Several have gotten very angry. When that happens, I invite them to go elsewhere, but they don't want to leave the practice. I'm trying to educate the local PCP's so that the problem can be avoided in the first place, but in the meantime, how do I manage these people without angering my referral base. Even more frustrating is the cash patient with axial or radicular pain, who needs, but can't afford PT, imaging or interventions. I've switched some of these pts to methadone, but there are a few who really need a more thorough evaluation but complain that they can't afford it. How do you guys manage those types of pts?
 
There is a subset of patients with FMS/MFPS that do respond to a combination of opiates in moderate stable doses and adjunct medications, however the evidence for enhanced functionality and/or reduced pain due to these medications is difficult to find. Of concern, is opiate induced hyperalgesia as noted in the articles below, in which patients and animal models show increases in pain on mere touching of the skin. This is typically what I see in many FMS/MFPS patients treated with chronic opiates. There is very little literature support for chronic opiate therapy, and almost no support for high dose opiate therapy in these patients. Dosage reductions of narcotics will indeed trigger massive increases in pain, and therefore produces both anger and fear as a predictable response. They do not understand the narcotics may actually be inducing some of the hypersensitivity to touch or movement induced pain as opiates are known by the general population to elicit pain relief in acute pain situations. The treatment of chronic pain populations with opiates for more than a month leads to hypersensitivy and tolerance (see the article below). What is disturbing is that in some animal models the neuroplasticity that accompanies NMDA receptor other calcium related peptide activations seems to be unidirectional: ie. the spinal neurophysiology changes become permanent. This would explain the maintenance of hypersensitivity in some patients when taken off narcotics and why opiate holidays do not work.
As for patients that need further neurodiagnostic workups but cannot afford them, there are a few options: 1. some hospitals have "charity" foundations that provide support for indigent services 2. one may perform epidurography or selective nerve stimulation in the office as a quick and dirty means of diagnosis 3. you can help patients engage in application for social programs such as Medicare, that will subsequently pay for the majority of the costs of diagnostic imaging 4. have the patient shop around for diagnostic imaging services or even better, do it yourself and tell the centers they must meet the lowest price in order to have the patients referred to them. I found a CT of the thorax in my area ranged from $840 to $2100 for exactly the same scan. I was able to negotiate with a center that typically charges $1550 to drop their price to the $840 price of the lowest center.
5, although current fluoroscopy reimbursement for the 76000 survey code is not cost effective, in 2008 it will be cost effective, paying over $100 for the code. This may be helpful in ruling out at least spondylolisthesis, fx, etc.

J Pain. 2006 Jan;7(1):43-8.
Opioid tolerance and hyperalgesia in chronic pain patients after one month of
oral morphine therapy: a preliminary prospective study.
Chu LF, Clark DJ, Angst MS.
Department of Anesthesia, Stanford University School of Medicine, CA 94305, USA.
There is accumulating evidence that opioid therapy might not only be associated with the development of tolerance but also with an increased sensitivity to pain, a condition referred to as opioid-induced hyperalgesia (OIH). However, there are no prospective studies documenting the development of opioid tolerance or OIH in patients with chronic pain. This preliminary study in 6 patients with chronic low back pain prospectively evaluated the development of tolerance and OIH. Patients were assessed before and 1 month after initiating oral morphine therapy. The cold pressor test and experimental heat pain were used to measure pain sensitivity before and during a target-controlled infusion with the short-acting mu opioid agonist remifentanil. In the cold pressor test, all patients became hyperalgesic as well as tolerant after 1 month of oral morphine therapy. In a model of heat pain, patients exhibited no hyperalgesia, although tolerance could not be evaluated. These results provide the first prospective evidence for the development of analgesic tolerance and OIH by using experimental pain in patients with chronic back pain. This study also validated methodology for prospectively studying these phenomena in larger populations of pain patients. PERSPECTIVE: Experimental evidence suggests that opioid tolerance and opioid-induced hyperalgesia might limit the clinical utility of opioids in controlling chronic pain. This study validates a pharmacologic approach to study these phenomena prospectively in chronic pain patients and suggests that both conditions do occur within 1 month of initiating opioid therapy.


Neurosci Lett. 2006 Mar 20;396(1):44-9. Epub 2005 Dec 15.
Opioid receptor-mediated hyperalgesia and antinociceptive tolerance induced by sustained opiate delivery.
Gardell LR, King T, Ossipov MH, Rice KC, Lai J, Vanderah TW, Porreca F.
Department of Pharmacology, College of Medicine, University of Arizona Health Sciences Center, 1501 N. Campbell Avenue, Tucson, AZ 85724, USA.
Opiates are commonly used to treat moderate to severe pain and can be used over prolonged periods in states of chronic pain such as those associated with cancer. In addition, to analgesic actions, studies show that opiate administration can paradoxically induce hyperalgesia. At the pre-clinical level, such hyperalgesia is associated with numerous pronociceptive neuroplastic changes within the primary afferent fibers and the spinal cord. In rodents, sustained opiate administration also induces antinociceptive tolerance. The mechanisms by which prolonged opiate exposure induces hyperalgesia and the relationship of this state to antinociceptive tolerance remain unclear. The
present study was aimed at determining whether sustained opiate-induced
hyperalgesia, associated neuroplasticity and antinociceptive tolerance are the result of specific opiate interaction at opiate receptors. Enantiomers of
oxymorphone, a mu opioid receptor agonist, were administered to rats by spinal infusion across 7 days. Sustained spinal administration of (-)-oxymorphone, but not its inactive enantiomer (+)-oxymorphone or vehicle, upregulated spinal dynorphin content, produced thermal and tactile hypersensitivity, and produced antinociceptive tolerance. These results indicate that these pronociceptive actions of sustained opiate administration require specific interaction with opiate receptors and are unlikely to be the result of accumulation of potentially excitatory metabolic products. While the precise mechanisms, which may account for these pronociceptive changes remain to be unraveled, the present data point to plasticity initiated by opiate receptor interaction.
 
If you're talking about fibromyalgia specifically, and not other kinds of regional or widespread myofascial pain syndromes, then there is increasing evidence that fibromyalgia is not a pain problem per se. The pain is an epiphenomenon of disorder sleep architecture, physical deconditioning, and maladaptive coping mechanisms. Opioids will not fix any of these problems and as Algos alluded may even potentiate the problem. Opioids are not a good long-term solution for a long-term problem. I zealously reinforce this fact with my patients.

Fibromyalgia is quintessentially a disease management problem. I focus on the sleep issues, exercise tolerance, and psychological treatment and tell patients that prescribing them opioids would make me a bad doctor.

One pearl passed on to me is that early in your relationship with these patients schedule several follow-up appointments in rapid sucession. Patients who are only interested in opioid therapy will "burn out" of coming to see you and hearing the same information about sleep, exercise, and coping. Other patients who understand and embrace the message will appreciate the close monitoring. It sort of helps "self-select" which patients stay in the practice.
 
Our FMS patients do not get opioids. They are offered COX-2, Ultram, SMR (no BZD), SSRI, sleep med (Ambien, Lunesta, or Rozerem), Manipulation under anesthesia, and exercise counselling. We try to avoid any injection procedure as I feel it will only lead to an exacerbation of their FMS- even if they also have a concurrent facet or disc problem. The "filter" is broken and I feel like I have little to offer through my needle.

Drug seekeers do not make follow-up appointments and we tell them up front we will not Rx opioids or other Schedule meds for their FMS. That also includes no Klonopin for their concurrent RLS or Soma as their SMR.

In a free market society, these patients will choose another doctor to get the drugs they want. If they want to get better, they will start on our regimen, start on the prescribed exercise program (as little as 10 reps with soup cans per day to start), and if they sow up in 1 month as follow-up we will proceed to ensure their HPA access is intact and there are no lab abnormalities that would require the assistance of a Rheumatologist.

I can't make FMS better, but my patient's can. I do not bend my practice philosophy to make patients happy. I don't have time for that.
 
Lobel,
ALL bodies of evidence show that NSAIDS have ABSOLUTELY NO USE in Fibromyalgia!

Algosdoc summed it up nicely. While I do not make narcotics a first or second line choice for Fibromyalgia I DO use opioids in low to low-moderate doses and in about 1/2 the patients who I treat with the opioids, I do see benefits. Those who do not show an improvement in function and quality of life, are tapered, as is discussed when the decision is made to undertake a trial of opioids.


ntubebate
 
Lobel,
ALL bodies of evidence show that NSAIDS have ABSOLUTELY NO USE in Fibromyalgia!

Algosdoc summed it up nicely. While I do not make narcotics a first or second line choice for Fibromyalgia I DO use opioids in low to low-moderate doses and in about 1/2 the patients who I treat with the opioids, I do see benefits. Those who do not show an improvement in function and quality of life, are tapered, as is discussed when the decision is made to undertake a trial of opioids.


ntubebate

I'll take the evidence against approach and use an NSAID rather than an opioid. Lesser of two evils. I'm strict when it comes to opioids for fibro. I avoid their use in my practice and understand their use for night pain only. I'd rather say I'm uncomfortable and send them to you than to Rx them opioids. I do not want psych patients filling up my schedule. And if you think FMS is not a psychiatric disorder with a very real basis in altered cerebral function, well what do I care- I'm an interventionalist. All evidence points to exercise as the only disease modifying agent for FMS. Again, maybe I'm being short sighted- no margin no mission, and no reward in treating these patients (in my practice). 729.1 = no opioids

BTW, Not using the NSAID for inflammation (fibrositis), but for its analgesic properties. Much the same for my spine patients who do not manage their opioids well.
 
Lately, I've been getting quite a few Fibromyalgia patients as new referrals, including from Rheumatologists. I question the patients about all past treatments, and if I have nothing new to offer, I usually send them to the multidisciplinary functional restoration program. It's a great place to try to get these patient's off Opioids (if they are currently taking them) in a set time frame with the help of your Psychologists and Physical Therapists.
 
I'll take the evidence against approach and use an NSAID rather than an opioid. Lesser of two evils. I'm strict when it comes to opioids for fibro. I avoid their use in my practice and understand their use for night pain only. I'd rather say I'm uncomfortable and send them to you than to Rx them opioids. I do not want psych patients filling up my schedule. And if you think FMS is not a psychiatric disorder with a very real basis in altered cerebral function, well what do I care- I'm an interventionalist. All evidence points to exercise as the only disease modifying agent for FMS. Again, maybe I'm being short sighted- no margin no mission, and no reward in treating these patients (in my practice). 729.1 = no opioids

BTW, Not using the NSAID for inflammation (fibrositis), but for its analgesic properties. Much the same for my spine patients who do not manage their opioids well.


I see where you're coming from, but other physicians do a lousy job managing these patients. They'll drive their PCPs up the wall until they get their opioid of choice, shrinks tend to only focus on the mood and somatoform features of the disorder or go down psychiatric rabbit holes and start them on 3 mood stabilizers, one antipsychotic, and a SSRI; most neurologists and rheumatologists flat out REFUSE to see these patients. So, I think that as pain doctor we "own" them by default. The best we can do is try to prevent other physicians from harming them.
 
The best we can do is try to prevent other physicians from harming them.

And as a physician I do not consider it harmful to treat a select group of Fibromyalgia patients with opioids.

ntubebate
 
And as a physician I do not consider it harmful to treat a select group of Fibromyalgia patients with opioids.

ntubebate

ntubeate,

I'd like to know how you select your group. I'm not criticizing your practice, but I'd just like to understand your rationale. There are certainly patients with co-morbid FMS and other painful conditions where the use of an opioid seems reasonable. The opioid would be indicated for the other painful condition not the FMS.

But solitary FMS lacks any objective evidence of tissue injury. I *believe* that patients with FMS are centrally sensitized and likely have altered central pain processing mechanisms, but that doesn't lead me to jump to opioid treatment. I think of TCAs, SS/NRI, or other neuropathic pain medications.

If they indeed have permanently altered central pain processing mechanisms, then in my mind the situation is not much different than treating someone with a spinal cord injury or MS. I don't prescribe opioids for those patients either except in rare circumstances (pressure ulcer, painful contracture, HO, etc). You can't unboil an egg...
 
If you're talking about fibromyalgia specifically, and not other kinds of regional or widespread myofascial pain syndromes, then there is increasing evidence that fibromyalgia is not a pain problem per se. The pain is an epiphenomenon of disorder sleep architecture, physical deconditioning, and maladaptive coping mechanisms. Opioids will not fix any of these problems and as Algos alluded may even potentiate the problem. Opioids are not a good long-term solution for a long-term problem. I zealously reinforce this fact with my patients.

Fibromyalgia is quintessentially a disease management problem. I focus on the sleep issues, exercise tolerance, and psychological treatment and tell patients that prescribing them opioids would make me a bad doctor.

One pearl passed on to me is that early in your relationship with these patients schedule several follow-up appointments in rapid sucession. Patients who are only interested in opioid therapy will "burn out" of coming to see you and hearing the same information about sleep, exercise, and coping. Other patients who understand and embrace the message will appreciate the close monitoring. It sort of helps "self-select" which patients stay in the practice.

Very good points👍
 
As a friend of mine said- Rheumatologists invented the disease, let them take care of it.
 
The patients whom I put on opioids treatment are put on opioids either as an adjunct to non-opioid treatment OR as a treatment of last resort.

As an adjunct to non-opioid treatment I mean a patient whose med list might look like the one listed below:
Lyrica 225mg BID
Cymbalta 60mg qd
Ultram ER 300mg qd
Halcion 0.25-0.5mg qhs

Prior to starting any opioid a phone consultation is made with a pain specialist (PMR Trained) and he comes on board with starting the opioids. He will ultimately see the patient atleas once a year. These patients are one's who's pain is usually related to increased activity (be it work, doing PT, exercise) and needs some sort of additional analgesia. For this patient we would consider something like Vicodin ES or Vicodin HP taken 2-3 times a day PRN with strong education given by my nurse about when to take the medicine. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When I start a patient on an opioid, together we sign what I call a "Trial of Opioid Therapy Guideline". In this the patient agrees to very frequent follow-up (weekly for a month usually) and we agree that the opioid therapy will only be continued if certain goals of treatment are met. These goals rest very little on pain control but very heavily on an increase in functioning. Monitoring is somewhat problematic but I do my best to make sure that I monitor their progression towards the goals of therapy. Obviously if they don't attend their PT, aren't seeing ANY weight loss, no muscle strength gains then I know that we aren't meeting goals. If I start you on an opioid and two weeks later you've gone from working full time to wanting me to fill out a disability certification, we're not meeting goals. If in talking with your family they tell me that all mom does is lay on the couch, we're not meeting goals. In any case where goals are not being met, I will first attempt to increase the dose (if the patient states inadequate analgesia is the problem) then if I still see no improvement then the meds are tapered and then stopped completely.


The other type of FMS patient I put on opioids are ones who have literally TRIED EVERYTHING. We've been through Lyrica and Cymbalta. Neurontin didn't work either. Elavil and Pamalor didn't help. Neither did any of the SSRI's, cyclobenzaprine, Zanaflex, or baclofen. I even tried Wellbutrin and Effexor XR. Ultram ER and Ultram did nothing. These patients might find one of the listed drugs that they CAN take and we max out the dose. Then I will start them on some short acting Vicodin ES first then work them up to where I can use the lowest available starting dose of Dolophine or Duragesic. Again, same rules apply to these patients; I want to see improvement in function. About 50% of these patients will do well on the opioids. Of the additional 50%, 10% just accept it as failure and agree we've done all we can do and they just do what they can to manage with the one medicine that does provide them some relief. The other 40% I tell them I've done ALL I CAN DO, and that the only next step is to refer them 3hrs a way to a pain management center. Those that go to the pain management center get pushed to massive doses of opioids that either finally work or zonk them out to the point that the pain doesn't matter anymore. At any rate, I have to accept that there are simply a portion of these patients I cannot help.

ntubebate
 
As an adjunct to non-opioid treatment I mean a patient whose med list might look like the one listed below:

Halcion 0.25-0.5mg qhs

Prior to starting any opioid a phone consultation is made with a pain specialist (PMR Trained) and he comes on board with starting the opioids. He will ultimately see the patient atleas once a year.

For this patient we would consider something like Vicodin ES or Vicodin HP taken 2-3 times a day PRN with strong education given by my nurse about when to take the medicine.

The other type of FMS patient I put on opioids are ones who have literally TRIED EVERYTHING. We've been through Lyrica and Cymbalta. Neurontin didn't work either. Elavil and Pamalor didn't help. Neither did any of the SSRI's, cyclobenzaprine, Zanaflex, or baclofen. I even tried Wellbutrin and Effexor XR. Ultram ER and Ultram did nothing. These patients might find one of the listed drugs that they CAN take and we max out the dose. Then I will start them on some short acting Vicodin ES first then work them up to where I can use the lowest available starting dose of Dolophine or Duragesic. Again, same rules apply to these patients;

The other 40% I tell them I've done ALL I CAN DO, and that the only next step is to refer them 3hrs a way to a pain management center.

Those that go to the pain management center get pushed to massive doses of opioids that either finally work or zonk them out to the point that the pain doesn't matter anymore. At any rate, I have to accept that there are simply a portion of these patients I cannot help.

ntubebate

You are not a pain doctor and your post above makes that obvious. In fact, you are the one starting or perpetuating the problem. As a board certified pain physician through an ABMS recognized board (no insult to AAPM), I must tell you that you are not practicing to the highest standards. YOu actually state you send them to a PMR Pain doc to start opioids, then you you and your nurse follow them. If that doesn't work you send them to the WRONG pain clinic 3 hours away where they can really screw things up.

Consider patients that tell you none of the SMR,SSRI, Ultram class works for them....then stop using medication altogether. Involve them in biofeedback, massage, and EXERCISE. Also try EXERCISE, and ifg that doesn't work thyey should try EXERCISE. THanks for the Halcion add on. WHen they come to see me they are now on opioids and BZD's, and if they were not just drug seekers or addicts when they walked in your door, they are leaning that way now. My job should be twice as hard now as I have to stop the opioid and BZD and fix what you did. The patient will feel lousy for a week as a Rx a clonidine patch, phenergan, and phenobarb to aid them in any withdrawal symptoms. Most of these patient's UDS will show for illicits or they have had their candy and now need to seek less qualified care as I refuse to be bogged down with their "significant psychological overlay" meaning inordinate phone calls and time counselling. I usally undiagnose their FMS that comes from the PCP or other providers who did not take the time to do a proper H&P or get labs.

Please stay in the OR and stop making the pain docs job harder. I'll stay away from your giant machine with the big knobs and all the beeping. Ptients will be bettter off for that as well.

Sorry to smack so hard. Fact is, I care about the quality of life for my patients and when they come in all juiced up I get infuriated. I'd say it is a similar scenario in treating cancer with nutriceuticals. The patient will pay for them and stay on the therapy up until they die. But they will not get better. Neither will FMS with opioids- the start of the downward spiral.
 
As a friend of mine said- Rheumatologists invented the disease, let them take care of it.

LOL! I love it. The intellectual problem I have with this so-called disease is that for all we know there is a family of unrelated processes that present similarly. There is a tendency of the human mind to categorize similar-appearing things together. By incorrectly lumping two or more diseases together and trying to find a common denominator we shoot ourselves in the collective foot.

I will see "FMS" as a consult-only for one visit, because quite often they have an actual disease that I can treat. All too frequently someone has multiple pain sites from several different etiologies (e.g., neck, low back, OA - that's enough to get you the magic number of tender points) and the referring doctor was too lazy or stupid to deal with it. Toss in a little depression and you have full-blown FMS-CFIDS. Other times there is a CTD or other systemic process like myopathy, Lyme disease, mono, or even plain old myalgia from a statin drug (I've "cured" more than one FMS patient by stopping their Lipitor). If I can't see anything to sink my teeth into I send them to someone who specializes in FMS.

I believe the primary cause of FMS is SOLDS (Stupid or Lazy Doctor Syndrome).
 
You are not a pain doctor and your post above makes that obvious. In fact, you are the one starting or perpetuating the problem. As a board certified pain physician through an ABMS recognized board (no insult to AAPM), I must tell you that you are not practicing to the highest standards. YOu actually state you send them to a PMR Pain doc to start opioids, then you you and your nurse follow them. If that doesn't work you send them to the WRONG pain clinic 3 hours away where they can really screw things up.

Consider patients that tell you none of the SMR,SSRI, Ultram class works for them....then stop using medication altogether. Involve them in biofeedback, massage, and EXERCISE. Also try EXERCISE, and ifg that doesn't work thyey should try EXERCISE. THanks for the Halcion add on. WHen they come to see me they are now on opioids and BZD's, and if they were not just drug seekers or addicts when they walked in your door, they are leaning that way now. My job should be twice as hard now as I have to stop the opioid and BZD and fix what you did. The patient will feel lousy for a week as a Rx a clonidine patch, phenergan, and phenobarb to aid them in any withdrawal symptoms. Most of these patient's UDS will show for illicits or they have had their candy and now need to seek less qualified care as I refuse to be bogged down with their "significant psychological overlay" meaning inordinate phone calls and time counselling. I usally undiagnose their FMS that comes from the PCP or other providers who did not take the time to do a proper H&P or get labs.

Please stay in the OR and stop making the pain docs job harder. I'll stay away from your giant machine with the big knobs and all the beeping. Ptients will be bettter off for that as well.

Sorry to smack so hard. Fact is, I care about the quality of life for my patients and when they come in all juiced up I get infuriated. I'd say it is a similar scenario in treating cancer with nutriceuticals. The patient will pay for them and stay on the therapy up until they die. But they will not get better. Neither will FMS with opioids- the start of the downward spiral.






I am copying your comment and showing them to many of my collegues in this area who unfortunately practice like this guy
 
Involve them in biofeedback, massage, and EXERCISE. Also try EXERCISE, and ifg that doesn't work thyey should try EXERCISE.


I just wanted to mention that exercise can also be helpful with these fibromyalgia patients. I wasn't sure that was emphasized. (Steve, stay on the lithium, OK - Buddy 🙂 👍 😉
 
I just wanted to mention that exercise can also be helpful with these fibromyalgia patients. I wasn't sure that was emphasized. (Steve, stay on the lithium, OK - Buddy 🙂 👍 😉

No lithium. Except in my watch display.
Caffiene- well that is another story. I am on my second SuperAutomatic Espresso machine in 3 years. Is 1000mg a day detrimental? 😳 Hope not, don't care, no SVT, not impaired practitioner, hands don't shake, need more beans.😱
NOW. Literature supports protective effect of 7 cups + per day against type 2 DM. :scared:
 
No lithium. Except in my watch display.
Caffiene- well that is another story. I am on my second SuperAutomatic Espresso machine in 3 years. Is 1000mg a day detrimental? 😳 Hope not, don't care, no SVT, not impaired practitioner, hands don't shake, need more beans.😱
NOW. Literature supports protective effect of 7 cups + per day against type 2 DM. :scared:

LOL!!!:laugh:
 
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