DISCUSS: News on Future veterinary schools

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I will add I’ve worked / externed on all my summer breaks. This allowed me to save and not take out max loans, gain experience, and make connections for post-grad. Being able to have some time off also saved my mental health at some points of being so burnt out from school.
 
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For the sake of conversation: Ross already does an accelerated program and has for a while now, these schools are likely basing their curriculums off of Ross's since they've been very successful. Yes, they do have a high attrition rate. There are also so many factors that cause people to drop out of the island programs that I think it's hard to draw major conclusions and blame is solely on admissions/curriculum. Someone would need to do an legit survey of students that leave the program, voluntarily or not, and I don't think that is possible without the school being heavily involved (which I'm sure they wouldn't agree to).

St. Matthew's has an accelerated program as well, although they remain unaccredited. I think we are less familiar with SMU in general, but my limited knowledge (I spent time on the island with one of their classes for a two-week marine medicine course) tells me that the classes are very small and they lose the 'standard' 5% of every class too. That might be 1-2 people. This was also almost 10 years ago, though, idk if things are different or not now.

Ross has graduated many hundreds of vets at this point, so people do it. Not advocating for a 3-year program necessarily, but just food for thought.

I believe Lyon (another school in the pipeline) intends to have a 3 year program as well.
 
For the sake of conversation: Ross already does an accelerated program and has for a while now, these schools are likely basing their curriculums off of Ross's since they've been very successful. Yes, they do have a high attrition rate. There are also so many factors that cause people to drop out of the island programs that I think it's hard to draw major conclusions and blame is solely on admissions/curriculum. Someone would need to do an legit survey of students that leave the program, voluntarily or not, and I don't think that is possible without the school being heavily involved (which I'm sure they wouldn't agree to).

St. Matthew's has an accelerated program as well, although they remain unaccredited. I think we are less familiar with SMU in general, but my limited knowledge (I spent time on the island with one of their classes for a two-week marine medicine course) tells me that the classes are very small and they lose the 'standard' 5% of every class too. That might be 1-2 people. This was also almost 10 years ago, though, idk if things are different or not now.

Ross has graduated many hundreds of vets at this point, so people do it. Not advocating for a 3-year program necessarily, but just food for thought.

I believe Lyon (another school in the pipeline) intends to have a 3 year program as well.
UAZ seemed to tighten up their curriculum and the way they operate based off of their inaugural class’ NAVLE scores as well. It’s definitely possible, and many capable, great veterinarians graduate from Ross, UAZ and SMU. My concern here is that 3 year programs start becoming more favorable to produce vets quicker and get students in and out the door and essentially create a “cash grab” atmosphere.

Disclaimer:: I am not claiming any of the aforementioned schools are doing this. Nor that a 3 year program is bad. Hell, I even applied to UAZ myself because I thought their set up and curriculum was really unique.
 
also; yeah i was correct. A-state and Lyons are both expected to have their inaugural class starting Fall 2026. So that’s 4 new vet schools (almost) available to apply to this cycle:
• Utah
• LMU OP
• Lyons
• A-State

I thought Clemson was supposed to accept their first class this year as well? but i looked at their website and all it says is that they won’t be participating in VMCAS 2025 but to keep an eye on the webpage for updates.
 
Oh but Lyons won’t be charging IS vs OOS tuition..interesting.

“$27,500 per trimester, with a total of 9 trimesters for completion of the program.” so $247,500 on tuition alone +/- any fees
 
Honestly at this point I’m just going to watch how many schools crash and burn with the BBB loan issues, NAVLE pass rates decreasing, and how many vets are not willing to leave private practice to go into academia.

Will these schools essentially be zoom schools since these schools won’t have teaching hospitals so there’s no incentive to hire on boarded specialists?
 
My concern here is that 3 year programs start becoming more favorable to produce vets quicker and get students in and out the door and essentially create a “cash grab” atmosphere.
this is probably exactly what's going to happen since we're already seeing it on the human side of things. There are many accelerated MD programs and very many accelerated BN programs at this point. On the surface, I can't really think of any significant student benefits to finishing the program all of one year sooner. Getting into the workforce or specialty training pipeline only one year sooner is not significant in terms of salary, QOL, etc. I am not looking at all the MD school tuitions but also for vet med it does not appear to save tuition $$, partly because the schools offering it are all private anyways.

Again not advocating for an accelerated program, but also not outright dismissing it. If the curriculum is proven, I don't know that I care if a school chooses to withhold breaks from a student perspective. Keeping in mind that we aren't feeling too good about the 4-year curriculums in our established schools right now. I fully get that we are approaching degree mill territory but our OG schools are doing nothing to reign in class sizes either, they just aren't going to be able to be as aggressive with class sizes/frequency as some of the newer private schools will be. Mostly because of the physical limitations of older buildings imo. Until/unless the AVMA puts a cap on number of graduates/year, this is where we are headed. And idk if they can even do that. Being the pessimist I am, I believe the only thing holding the OG schools back from dramatic class size increases is physical space. I mean, they are increasing the class sizes with essentially no space as is. These newer schools are building their stuff with big/multiple concurrent classes in mind.

Will these schools essentially be zoom schools since these schools won’t have teaching hospitals so there’s no incentive to hire on boarded specialists?
So this is what I keep saying is going to happen at some point. I think it was Jayna that said there is currently an accreditation stipulation that students cannot be fully distance-learning, but if a future school can sue to reduce accreditation requirements who knows what's coming in the future.

Without a teaching hospital, which is arguably the hardest part of a school to design and build, you just need a few big lecture halls (or conference center-style rooms which are super easy, not even auditorium-style) and whatever labs/skills centers are required to have a vet school. It's super easy to fit several hundred people in a large room and put tables and chairs in it. It is not easy to accommodate that number in a teaching hospital, even before considering staffing the services with clinicians and techs. Classes already have to rotate through some lab/learning spaces at the OG school as is, we sure did at UofI. So they probably don't even need to make sure all of the non-didactic spaces can accommodate everyone at one time. That's theoretical though, idk how everything is actually being built of course.
 
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Without a teaching hospital, which is arguably the hardest part of a school to design and build, you just need a few big lecture halls (or conference center-style rooms which are super easy, not even auditorium-style) and whatever labs/skills centers are required to have a vet school. It's super easy to fit several hundred people in a large room and put tables and chairs in it. It is not easy to accommodate that number in a teaching hospital, even before considering staffing the services with clinicians and techs. Classes already have to rotate through some lab/learning spaces at the OG school as is, we sure did at UofI. So they probably don't even need to make sure all of the non-didactic spaces can accommodate everyone at one time. That's theoretical though, idk how everything is actually being built of course.
You read my mind— that is exactly how i feel some of these future schools will be (again: not saying any particular school or the ones that are in development)

Building a new building with 5-6 classrooms, some study spaces and a couple labs will = a school/college of veterinary medicine.

To follow up on honey’s point about the BBB: it honestly might make a 3 year program more enticing if schools choose to just make a new building, slap on the “school of veterinary medicine” sign on it and say it’s 200k for the entire 3 year program. “Hey! We’re a new vet school, 3 year program, with tuition in the limit of the new loan requirements. Come check us out!” I cannot lie and say that if I was a prevet and saw this, I wouldn’t consider it because I absolutely would. But then would THIS be how other schools lower their tuition? Or would they keep it the same/only slightly lower it because they have the bonus of the teaching hospital?

All in all, I must say this will be an interesting few years ahead..
 
Oh but Lyons won’t be charging IS vs OOS tuition..interesting.

“$27,500 per trimester, with a total of 9 trimesters for completion of the program.” so $247,500 on tuition alone +/- any fees
Not terribly surprising. If they’re not a public university, they often don’t have different tuition costs since it’s not subsidized by the state taxes. Tufts already is like this.
 
You read my mind— that is exactly how i feel some of these future schools will be (again: not saying any particular school or the ones that are in development)

Building a new building with 5-6 classrooms, some study spaces and a couple labs will = a school/college of veterinary medicine.

To follow up on honey’s point about the BBB: it honestly might make a 3 year program more enticing if schools choose to just make a new building, slap on the “school of veterinary medicine” sign on it and say it’s 200k for the entire 3 year program. “Hey! We’re a new vet school, 3 year program, with tuition in the limit of the new loan requirements. Come check us out!” I cannot lie and say that if I was a prevet and saw this, I wouldn’t consider it because I absolutely would. But then would THIS be how other schools lower their tuition? Or would they keep it the same/only slightly lower it because they have the bonus of the teaching hospital?

All in all, I must say this will be an interesting few years ahead..
I think it’s a 50k a year limit so 200k over 3 yrs wouldn’t actually work. Although if some school tried that they’d probably have students not realize the issue until they’d already enrolled.
 
I think it’s a 50k a year limit so 200k over 3 yrs wouldn’t actually work. Although if some school tried that they’d probably have students not realize the issue until they’d already enrolled.

I haven't read that there is a yearly limit, just that there is a total limit for each level of education.
 
I haven't read that there is a yearly limit, just that there is a total limit for each level of education.
I think Appy is correct, I read it’s up to 50k/yr for professional students with a lifetime total cap (for doctoral studies) of 200k.

Edit: corrected wording to be more accurate because the BBBill has different rules for grad vs professional school.
 
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