Disenrolled from HPSP

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My husband is in his third year of dental school. Up until last week he had the three year HPSP, but due to getting a 73 on his first board, he was disenrolled from the scholarship. He has great grades so we were shocked that they would revoke the HPSP for missing the boards by 2 points. We appealed the decision but they stood on it, so now we are looking to find out where we go from here. I was disturbed to find on the internet that some people are given a desk job for 3 years to finish their time served. Does this happen even to those who finish school or are they usually given a job as a dentist? Are they more likely to make him pay back the money or serve time? Everything I have found has been conflicting and we are still waiting to hear from the army. It could take up to 60 days, but I would like a heads up on what to expect.

 

[USArmyHPSP]

The Army does take passing the standardized licensure examinations very seriously. I doubt that your husband lost the scholarship solely on the fact that he failed Part 1 one time. It seems that you are kinda jumping the gun. I don’t doubt for a minute that he has had his benefits suspended because of the failure. There is a multiple step due process that must be completed before someone is eliminated from the program. What your husband needs to do is follow the instructions that were provided to him, and then pass Part 1. Once he passes Part 1, his benefits will be reinstated retroactively. If he has any questions, he is welcome to call the HPSP Student Management Office at 877-MED-ARMY. Please note that I said HE is welcome to call. The contract was signed by a representative of the Army and your husband, and he is the only one with whom the office will discuss his case. The office will not discuss his case with you, his mother, or his lawyer.

As far as his military status, if someone does lose the scholarship, then it is the Commander at the Human Resource Command that determines their status. Even then, the member is provided yet another due process and allowed to voice his preference as to pay back the time or the money. The member can ask for anything, but ultimately, it is the Commander’s decision to make. The reason it seems confusing is that every case is looked at individually, and each has it’s own merit for the ultimate outcome.

 

[brandy_]

I think it must have had something to do with the fact that this happened during the government shutdown. He only missed the first board by 2 points. He has only taken it that one time and will definitely pass them in December. Other than that, his grades are really good. He went through the appeal process but they did not change their mind. There is nothing to make them think he won't pass dental school so I think it must be a budget cut issue or maybe they don't have as many dentist retiring in 2015 as they thought.

If someone is allowed to pay back the money, is it always a ten year repayment plan? And if he is forced to pay back with service, it will be after dental school, right? What will change in his benefits if this happens?

 

[USArmyHPSP]

This will be my last reply to this thread. Again, the Army has a contract with your husband and he needs to be asking the HPSP office these questions.

10 year plan is standard http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=959884
He can be called to active duty immediately he may not, but it is possible
If he loses the scholarship - he has no scholarship benefits. If he comes to active duty he has all the benefits of a second lieutenant in the Army.

 

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[AirborneDentist]

My husband is in his third year of dental school. Up until last week he had the three year HPSP, but due to getting a 73 on his first board, he was disenrolled from the scholarship. He has great grades so we were shocked that they would revoke the HPSP for missing the boards by 2 points. We appealed the decision but they stood on it, so now we are looking to find out where we go from here. I was disturbed to find on the internet that some people are given a desk job for 3 years to finish their time served. Does this happen even to those who finish school or are they usually given a job as a dentist? Are they more likely to make him pay back the money or serve time? Everything I have found has been conflicting and we are still waiting to hear from the army. It could take up to 60 days, but I would like a heads up on what to expect.

Why are you the one asking the questions and not him?

 

[dnt0711]

I'm curious, how do you know that he got a 73? All of the score reports that I've seen from my friends just say "PASS", no score included.

I'm about to take the boards myself, so I just read the HPSP handbook on MODS to see exactly what their policies are. It does say that benefits will be suspended following a failure, but they will be reinstated when you pass. I think you have some misinformation.

Someone in my class failed first year and as far as I know they are still in the scholarship program. I believe she has to pay for the extra year on her own, but gets to rejoin after she gets back on track. I'd be very suprised to hear they kicked someone out immediately for failing boards. It would serve no benefit to them.

 

[del Sol DOHC]

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[vellnueve]

I'm curious, how do you know that he got a 73? All of the score reports that I've seen from my friends just say "PASS", no score included.

I'm about to take the boards myself, so I just read the HPSP handbook on MODS to see exactly what their policies are. It does say that benefits will be suspended following a failure, but they will be reinstated when you pass. I think you have some misinformation.

Someone in my class failed first year and as far as I know they are still in the scholarship program. I believe she has to pay for the extra year on her own, but gets to rejoin after she gets back on track. I'd be very suprised to hear they kicked someone out immediately for failing boards. It would serve no benefit to them.

You earn a numerical score, however only the failing numerical scores are reported.

A classmate of mine failed a year and was suspended from the program. Last I heard once he was back on track he was able to continue.

 

[ramborhino]

Sheesh, this would be unimaginable. In addition to paying back for the tuition, would they make you pay back all the stipend money they gave too? If you were for some reason disenrolled from the HSCP, would they make you pay back all of your E6/E7 salary too??

 

[USArmyHPSP]

Sheesh, this would be unimaginable. In addition to paying back for the tuition, would they make you pay back all the stipend money they gave too? If you were for some reason disenrolled from the HSCP, would they make you pay back all of your E6/E7 salary too??

Actually, this is a good question. My educated guess is that while you are in the HSCP you are not earning stipend, but military pay. If that is the case, they would not be able to recoup the pay. However, ole Uncle Sammy would get his pound of flesh by a call to active duty doing something you probably wouldn't like...

 

[ramborhino]

Actually, this is a good question. My educated guess is that while you are in the HSCP you are not earning stipend, but military pay. If that is the case, they would not be able to recoup the pay. However, ole Uncle Sammy would get his pound of flesh by a call to active duty doing something you probably wouldn't like...

That would make sense. If I were in a situation of repayment of exorbitant costs vs. serving a few years in the military in a non-related job, I would hope for and opt for military service (how else, barring your married to a VERY highly-paid spouse, would one re-pay all that?). Although, hopefully they would allow a student to repeat a year of dental school if they had to, before tossing them into Great Lakes for boot camp.

 

[USArmyHPSP]

That would make sense. If I were in a situation of repayment of exorbitant costs vs. serving a few years in the military in a non-related job, I would hope for and opt for military service (how else, barring your married to a VERY highly-paid spouse, would one re-pay all that?). Although, hopefully they would allow a student to repeat a year of dental school if they had to, before tossing them into Great Lakes for boot camp.

Please remember, the goal is to put dentists in the Armed Services. It serves no purpose to expend time and energy for anything else. So, we do have some who are allowed to repeat and remediate. As I stated earlier, every situation is looked at on a case-by-case basis. That said, I've noticed recently that the current Army climate is that they want the money. I'm in no position to speak for the Navy and the Army does not have a program like HSCP. Honestly, I've never seen the HSCP contract so I have no idea what the Navy would do, everything I've posted on HSCP is an educated guess based on 12 years of Army experience.

 

[ramborhino]

Please remember, the goal is to put dentists in the Armed Services. It serves no purpose to expend time and energy for anything else. So, we do have some who are allowed to repeat and remediate. As I stated earlier, every situation is looked at on a case-by-case basis. That said, I've noticed recently that the current Army climate is that they want the money. I'm in no position to speak for the Navy and the Army does not have a program like HSCP. Honestly, I've never seen the HSCP contract so I have no idea what the Navy would do, everything I've posted on HSCP is an educated guess based on 12 years of Army experience.

Thanks for the response! That makes sense. I think I found the updated HSCP contract actually (I attached it here, I am OK to do that, right? Found it on google search). From cursory review, it only mentions a service option.