Do anti-med school professors exist?

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I've heard stories about professors not wanting to write med school LORs because they are bitter that students don't go to grad school to get their PhD. I tend to chalk this up as a pre-med myth, because I don't understand why professors wouldn't want their students to go to medical school (especially at a school like mine where a large majority of bio and chem majors go to med school).

Anybody deal with any bitter potential LOR writers?
 
Umm....I know of atleast one prof who got rejected from med school so they went to become a chem prof. I could see where he would be bitter.
 
ADeadLois said:
I've heard stories about professors not wanting to write med school LORs because they are bitter that students don't go to grad school to get their PhD. I tend to chalk this up as a pre-med myth, because I don't understand why professors wouldn't want their students to go to medical school (especially at a school like mine where a large majority of bio and chem majors go to med school).

Anybody deal with any bitter potential LOR writers?


YES! also made sure we had a test the day before the MCAT (most of the class was premed)
 
One of the profs for a course I'm taken this quarter (only had one class so far, so he might just be trying to scare off some students...) was pretty harsh on pre-med applicants. Not regarding LOR or anything, but he asked everyone to raise their hands if they were applying to med school or vet school or anything like that, and a good 1/2 or more of the class raised their hands. He said, "well, if you plan on going to interviews they better be thursday or friday because all lectures and labs are mandetory, no exceptions. Every year I have one or two students that think they can miss a lecture to go to a med school interview...Getting into med school might be the most important thing in the world to you, but it ain't to me. I don't care if you get in or not."

I shouldn't quote him directly, becuase it's a little off but it was really harsh! Obviously some bitterness there...I'm glad that I'm done with interviews! (and i would want to steer clear of asking for a LOR from him...)
 
I had a prof. who wrote me a letter and was really proud of it, and so they read it to me one day, part of it, while I was using some equip in the lab, and it was like "so and so will be wonderful in the lab, her research skill's , etc, she's epseically good with... i think she'd be an incredible asset to any research team..."
and i go... you do know i'm applying to medical school, right?

and he goes, don't you want to do an md/phd?
"no"

you really should
"just md, thanks"

I shoudl probably fix that huh. But its all true!
"thank you"

Can I just re-word it? isn't that school big on research?
yes.... yes.... thank you 🙂

hehe, oh boy, i guess his heart was in the right place.
 
My o-chem II professor scheduled his final on the same Saturday as the MCAT. He graciously allowed the MCAT-ers (about 3/4 of the class) to take the test the day before on our school's only reading day. His reasoning was that he didn't want us to cheat. He is a bitter man.
 
Yeah, my PI (I work in a neuroscience lab) is very against med school, and I think it makes her really bitter that the majority of students that work in her lab ultimately go to med school instead of grad school. She has made comments on several occasions about how I should get a Ph.D. She also gave me my LOR to read and it said that she highly recommended me for MD/PhD programs - too bad I didn't apply to any. Good thing she showed me, so I could have it fixed! Also, she judges medical schools based on their research facilities, etc, which is REALLY ANNOYING because the only school I've gotten into so far is UMass, and she doesn't think that they have very good research going on, so she says negative things about them!!!! Hello? That's the only school I've gotten into and I may very well go there next year! And it's a good MEDICAL school, even if the research isn't awesome. Wtf.
 
My former PI treated me very differently when he found out my med school aspirations.. and yes no LOR after working for a year along with snide comments about how doctors are losers and do the same repetitive things while research is wonderful (note that I never even suggested or lead anyone on that I was into research). The lesson here is that first impressions are correct 90 % of the time. If feel like someone's an jerk-off when you first meet them, then they're probably a jerk-off :laugh:
 
I have had 3 professors (1 psych, 2 bio) that were in med school for a while, but then dropped out. They don't seem bitter though...
 
I know of a P.Chem professor who on the first day of class asks for all the premeds to stand up after which he publicly states that more than half will fail his class. I'm not joking. The guy's mother apparently always wanted him to go into medicine and since he chose chemistry he's had a vendetta set for premeds ever since. So most definitely these professors exist.
 
I had this loser professor who looked like a kid-rock clone and was just a regular researcher/prof. Anyway, 95 percent of my class (presentations on biological literature) was premed cuz it was a required class for people of my major. He made the class exceptionally hard and every day he would let slide one or two comments showing his hatred for doctors and surgeons. Things like "doctors think they know everything" or "the only reason surgery is so expensive is because surgeons like to drive expensive cars"

I was like damn, don't be mad cuz you missed out on your chance or made a bad decision somewhere in your life man. He grilled the **** out of everyone post-seminar and wrote really sarcastic and belittling evaluations.

whatever, im done with him but just letting you guys know that professors like that do exist.
 
Yes, they do exist. I even had a professor try to talk me into a PhD instead of an MD. I kid you not he actually told me that I was wasting my talent for biology on medicine and that I could lead a full and productive life researching squirrels (his area of research).....
 
My research professor really wanted me to apply to grad schools as "back-up." He made comments about how I'll be in debt forever but if I go to grad school I'll get paid and stuff. He wasn't mean about it, I think he just wanted to make sure that I know what I'm getting into. 🙂

I like how you guys keep on mentioning here that more than half the class was pre-med and stuff. I'm a sick person and I kinda laugh when I look back 3 years and think about all the pre-meds that I've met. 95% of them had no chance and decided to do something else. Hope they don't turn out to be bitter people who hate doctors... ^^;
 
Interesting replies. I've noticed in my experience that any disdain for pre-meds is reactionary. I had a lab professor who in the Orgo was very anal-retentive and mean towards the students in the class. Everyone kept saying that this was because he hated pre-meds. But I had the professor again in Organic Synthesis Lab (I'm a Chem major, this was a required class) and it was a complete 180. He was a nice and funny guy to everyone in the class DESPITE the fact that nearly every Chem major at my school is Pre-Med. I guess if you show a vested interested in the subject matter (which I did, Organic Synthesis is in all honesty the best undergrad class I've taken) most professors won't care. That's what I've noticed at my school at least.
 
I don't blame professors who hate premeds....
 
Praetorian said:
Yes, they do exist. I even had a professor try to talk me into a PhD instead of an MD. I kid you not he actually told me that I was wasting my talent for biology on medicine and that I could lead a full and productive life researching squirrels (his area of research).....
We had a O-chem professor who was extremely bitter of the fact that he never got into medical school and he let you know it. Would never write LOR for pre-med students etc. or ever encorage you to become a doctor. He felt it was a waste of time. 🙄 Sad but yes, they do exist.
p.s.-praetorian, love the new avatar. 👍
 
ADeadLois said:
Interesting replies. I've noticed in my experience that any disdain for pre-meds is reactionary. I had a lab professor who in the Orgo was very anal-retentive and mean towards the students in the class. Everyone kept saying that this was because he hated pre-meds. But I had the professor again in Organic Synthesis Lab (I'm a Chem major, this was a required class) and it was a complete 180. He was a nice and funny guy to everyone in the class DESPITE the fact that nearly every Chem major at my school is Pre-Med. I guess if you show a vested interested in the subject matter (which I did, Organic Synthesis is in all honesty the best undergrad class I've taken) most professors won't care. That's what I've noticed at my school at least.


I think a lot of the professors who don't directly have a vendetta against doctors or the medical profession hate pre-meds because of what the majority of pre-meds are like: grovelling for grades and attention so that the professor can write them a LOR later, constantly bothering the teachers and TA's, constantly asking the prof what the cut-off for an A is, not caring about the classwork or the material being taught but only about the grade, begging for points after a graded test or lab has been handed out...etc etc. You get the point. I have seen more than my share of the ****tiest human behavior on display from premeds in my class. So I understand where some of these professors come from when they show hatred for "our kind".

My cell biology teacher explicitly mentioned in her class that she is wary of pre-meds because in the past she has had premed students go to *great* lengths to get the A in her class...and by great lengths I mean partaking in illegal and deceptive acts. She was still nice about it and even lowered the cutoff for an A towards the end of the semester cuz she knew that most of us were going to med school and an A in her class would help. She actually went to med school and decided it wasn't for her and got her PhD instead.

Other professors just hate doctors and hate students going to med school for reasons other than typical premed behavior.
 
My trig teacher definitely seemed to be down on all the premeds in our class. After asking everyone their major, and finding out more than half the class were premed, he went on forever about how he thought med school wasn't worth it. He made some points about how learning is more than grades, and claimed all premed students care about is competing to get into med school, so they don't have time to actually learn. He claimed it doesn't take much to cram before tests, memorize everything, and get an 'A' while retaining nothing. Then, he went on about how because of debt, a med student's income doesn't equal a plumber's until they've been out of residency for so many years. During the semester he would always say stuff like, "OK, well I guess I'll let you guys out early, so you can go back to studying your lives away." 🙄
 
Funny to come home and immediately see this thread.

I just BARELY got home from a meeting with an anti-med school professor. Oh my god, my head is throbbing. He is SO cynical about the medical profession that he just exhausted me with his negativity. Dumbfounded me, really. He maintains that healthcare is b.s. and that doctors are b.s. He said that med school is a waste of time, that doctors learn nothing there, that I'm dumb to want to do this.

Okay, fine, he could be right. Maybe I'll agree with him someday when I'm old and jaded, but for now he really reminded me why I love optimistic people.
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Umm....I know of atleast one prof who got rejected from med school so they went to become a chem prof. I could see where he would be bitter.

You know, a chem prof at my alma mater got rejected from med school...and he is bitter as hell.

There were many profs who did not like premeds at my school mostly b/c most premeds can be serious anal SOB's
 
riceman04 said:
You know, a chem prof at my alma mater got rejected from med school...and he is bitter as hell.

There were many profs who did not like premeds at my school mostly b/c most premeds can be serious anal SOB's

I can understand being a bitter old med school reject and dealing with the anal pre-meds, but heck if you were a decent student who went to class and did what you had to get a good grade, shouldn't it almost be required to write, if not a good letter, than a decent letter of rec.

I dont understand why some people would do this....on the other hand though, i can understand being a bitter rejected pre-med, but i wouldn't hold it against anyone else who wanted to try and get in. dang profs
 
i don't think much of the anti-med sentiment is caused by inferiority-derived bitterness. in my experience (as pre-md/phd, so i have met the pre-meds and the pre-grads), the hard science pre-grads seem, on the average, quite smarter than the pre-meds. so i doubt that there exists a large population of, say, chem professors who couldn't cut it in medical school.

i think a lot of the sentiment is a result of that small population of pre-meds who do some 3 month stint in a research lab--fastidiously avoiding more work than is necessary--in order to fulfill the 'obligatory' research requirement of med school admissions. my only extracurricular activity is labwork, and it kind of gives me a weird feeling in my stomach when a kid fools around in the lab with no real interest in it. (i know, it's dumb, but i can't help it.) i can only imagine how a professor, who has devoted his life to his research, would feel about those sorts of kids.
 
I agree with Its_MurDAH, I can definitely see where the premed stereotype comes from, and to be honest, for those reasons I generally try to avoid premeds in school.

I had an anthropology professor that actually wrote in his textbook that doctors aren't sensitive to patients' cultural needs due to their "judgmental ways"- how ironic. My friends and I used to joke that either he's bitter because he didn't get into medical school or a doctor must have run over his dog. 🙄
 
Actually, I don't think my prof dislikes pre-meds b/c they're anal. She thinks that medicine is not "real science" and I've heard a likewise viewpoint from other PhDs.
 
shinenjk said:
That's so true. But I'm not one!!! ;0

hahaha yea you are dude
"95% of them dont have a chance", that sounds like an SOB to me....
 
hahaha yea you are dude
"95% of them dont have a chance", that sounds like an SOB to me....

LOL that whole sentence was me being sarcastic. Maybe I should've added a smiley icon or something... HELLS NO I wouldn't call myself a sick person. 😉
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Umm....I know of atleast one prof who got rejected from med school so they went to become a chem prof. I could see where he would be bitter.

what year are you in college?
 
nimotsu said:
My former PI treated me very differently when he found out my med school aspirations.. and yes no LOR after working for a year along with snide comments about how doctors are losers and do the same repetitive things while research is wonderful (note that I never even suggested or lead anyone on that I was into research). The lesson here is that first impressions are correct 90 % of the time. If feel like someone's an jerk-off when you first meet them, then they're probably a jerk-off :laugh:

My Ph.D thesis advisor was like that. He hated the idea of me going to medical school. He told me it is a mistake.
 
y'all are harsh and mean.

i've written LOR's when i was a TA and then as mentor and tutor since. just remember that the prof is a person, too. with a job and work to do and a family and hobbies, etc., and probably a gazillion people ask for med school LOR's every year. so, that in and of itself could create some bitterness towards the whole process, since writing these letters is not a paid part of the job, nor something that helps them at all (as opposed to writing an LOR for someone going to grad school in their field, which has the benefit of having them get to sell a student to a colleague, populate their field with someone with some of their indoctrination, etc.), and there are likely a lot of them to do. this is said if the prof is NOT a research mentor, mind you, since research mentors take on those kinds of trappings when they take you as a student. secondly, MOST people do what they do because they love it and think it's the best thing in the world and can't understand why anyone would rather do something else. you probably think that about medicine, yes? not everyone in the sciences, nay, very few, "end up" professors by default. it's a long hard road of it's own, with many fewer outward benefits than law or medicine, etc. so love of the work, and teaching, is key. so, in this way, if you think from their point of view, if they think that you are either only interested in their class, or their research lab, because you want AMCAS fodder and a good med school LOR, how they could feel used. no one likes feeling used. and even if you actually have a passion for, say, p-chem class or that blot work, i guarantee hordes before you have conditioned that prof to be wary of the pre-med.

mentors and teachers put in a lot of work, and care a lot (for the most part). if they think you see their passion and effort as merely your vehicle for something removed, it hurts.

there is also the fact that many actual doctors aren't all that, and everyone has had a bad doctor or two, and if you're older you prolly know what i mean. these profs have had, at some point, to deal with an ill or dying relative, or illness themselves, and have at some point encountered an awful doctor who's either been haughty or unsympathethic, or worse, incompetent. if you've worked with them and they respect and like you, they might want you in their field instead of in a field that they see as hit or miss in terms of quality.

now, my old prof's have been great for me in this process. my undergrad advisor and my grad advisor, who are now colleagues, are being very supportive of me because of our relationships. but my boss keeps asking me if i really want to do this med school thing, how much better what we do is, how more globally important, how much more it takes etc. and in some ways, he's right. but medicine is my calling, i can feel it, and i believe in mdeicine, but i still had a hard time talking him into writing a good rec...
 
The majority of premeds are losers. Professors dislike losers. Its just that these losers happen to be premed.
 
one of my professors, a really good guy who has been my unofficial mentor for years, said this to me..

me: well, i made my decision, i'm going to apply to medical school
him: not a Ph.D. program? I thought you liked splicing genes together?
me: I do like it, but i want to be a doctor
him: can doctors create mutant penguin/papaya crossbreeds in THEIR lab?
me: um, no
him: *pause* *pause* *pause* what a waste :laugh:
 
I sort of hate pre-meds a little... there was this girl in my Orgo class who would stay in the room crying after tests were handed back. Not because she failed or even got a C, but if she got a B or an A-. The prof would have to go comfort her as she sobbed about how she would never get into med school (she was only a sophmore) and her whole future was ruined and her parents were going to kill her. 🙁

I'm glad I decided to go to med school after I was done with college, I only had one year to worry about it during my post-bac program instead of four. I think that pressure makes some kids go a little nuts. I will never pressure my children into a certain career.
 
Will Ferrell said:
I don't blame professors who hate premeds....
I mean, it's not like they have any reason to.........do they?? right?










No? Okay.
 
I didn't decide on med school till the end of my 3rd year (at first I was set on getting a PhD and doing research), so I can sorta see where non-medicine people can dislike pre-meds. There were a few people I knew whose every move was done to help them get into med school. They didn't see undergrad as having its own value, just as a stepping stone to something better, and that attitude annoyed me so much!

Kinda the same attitude of people who posted on this thread assuming that their prof's non-pre-med-friendliness was a result of their being rejected years ago!
 
chandelantern said:
One of the profs for a course I'm taken this quarter (only had one class so far, so he might just be trying to scare off some students...) was pretty harsh on pre-med applicants. Not regarding LOR or anything, but he asked everyone to raise their hands if they were applying to med school or vet school or anything like that, and a good 1/2 or more of the class raised their hands. He said, "well, if you plan on going to interviews they better be thursday or friday because all lectures and labs are mandetory, no exceptions. Every year I have one or two students that think they can miss a lecture to go to a med school interview...Getting into med school might be the most important thing in the world to you, but it ain't to me. I don't care if you get in or not."

I shouldn't quote him directly, becuase it's a little off but it was really harsh! Obviously some bitterness there...I'm glad that I'm done with interviews! (and i would want to steer clear of asking for a LOR from him...)
Mandatory attendance is the biggest bunch of crap, especially from your prof.
 
Most of the research professors at my school don't actually like Pre-Meds. The post-doc in the lab I work at actually said that being a doctor was almost the easy way out, considering that doctors have everything laid out for them: a set number of years in each program, with set goals and accomplishments. Part of his reasoning however, is because he has spent the last 7 years working as a post-doc due to problems getting his research projects to work and getting funding for them. (He could have gone to med school, specialized, and gotten a real job instead of still doing "classwork.") Also, my boss in the lab, who is also my major and research advisor, tries to convince me to switch from medicine to research almost every day. It makes me hesitant to ask him for a LOR despite all the work I've done for him. In general though, I have yet to meet a prof that wouldn't write a LOR - the quality might not be the best - but they all recognize that pre-meds exist considering that about 20% of each class here is pre med.
 
ADeadLois said:
I've heard stories about professors not wanting to write med school LORs because they are bitter that students don't go to grad school to get their PhD. I tend to chalk this up as a pre-med myth, because I don't understand why professors wouldn't want their students to go to medical school (especially at a school like mine where a large majority of bio and chem majors go to med school).

Anybody deal with any bitter potential LOR writers?

Yes. I've had two professors tell me that I was wasting my life by going to medical school and that they could not write me a LOR.
 
MEG@COOL said:
The majority of premeds are losers. Professors dislike losers. Its just that these losers happen to be premed.

agreed :laugh:
 
Most of us sane premeds dont like other premeds either, so it comes as no surprise that Phd's do not like premeds. Also, I agree that most of the animosity towards premeds is based on the "fakeness" of most premeds, and not bitterness. I can spot an ass kisser a mile away in a science course, Im sure professors are much more proficient at this.
 
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