Do Extracurriculars Matter for Residency?

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I've read some of the older threads but I was hoping for a more current perspective on this question. Does extracurricular involvement matter for residency? Is it more important for more competitive placements? What about for the ROAD specialties? If they do matter, how much do they matter? Would you say to focus more on research/grades/USMLE scores than on community service/extracurricular involvement or are they equally important?

Basically, how much time should one dedicate toward ECs once in medical school if vying for a very competitive specialty?

I know it's a lot of questions but I really appreciate any insight you have!
 
I've read some of the older threads but I was hoping for a more current perspective on this question. Does extracurricular involvement matter for residency?
Yes to a degree
Is it more important for more competitive placements?
Possibly
What about for the ROAD specialties?
I was on the adcom for an anesthesia residency. We never moved anyone up or down the rank list because they played IM soccer (or any other EC)
If they do matter, how much do they matter?
Less than other things (see below)
Would you say to focus more on research/grades/USMLE scores than on community service/extracurricular involvement or are they equally important?
focus more on research/grades/USMLE scores
Basically, how much time should one dedicate toward ECs once in medical school if vying for a very competitive specialty?
After you've taken care of the above (research/grades/USMLE), if you have time left, you can spend it how you see fit. Some fields like to see a "well-rounded" applicant. i.e., not just academic performance, but a life outside medicine. It can go in your essay, interview, etc. It makes you more interesting. But it doesn't get you the interview invite and likely doesn't affect ranking significantly. So if I had 2 candidates who were AOA, 25Os, publications, and 1 had awesome ECs, maybe that would sway it a little. But so could other intangibles: personality, etc.

I know it's a lot of questions
I noticed!
but I really appreciate any insight you have!
 
Also, does it matter how prestigious your med school is?

Thanks!
 
I've read some of the older threads but I was hoping for a more current perspective on this question. Does extracurricular involvement matter for residency? Is it more important for more competitive placements? What about for the ROAD specialties? If they do matter, how much do they matter? Would you say to focus more on research/grades/USMLE scores than on community service/extracurricular involvement or are they equally important?

Basically, how much time should one dedicate toward ECs once in medical school if vying for a very competitive specialty?

I know it's a lot of questions but I really appreciate any insight you have!

Research is the only EC that really matters for residencies. By and large the things that are important for residencies are your Step 1 scores, your 3rd year clinical rotation evaluations, away rotations, and for a number of specialties research. Nobody cares if you were member of XYX club, or if you did volunteering, etc.
 
Research is the only EC that really matters for residencies. By and large the things that are important for residencies are your Step 1 scores, your 3rd year clinical rotation evaluations, away rotations, and for a number of specialties research. Nobody cares if you were member of XYX club, or if you did volunteering, etc.

Klinefelter's club?
 
The only kind of extracirriculars that really matter for residency are research, and especially publications.

No one cares if you tutored inner city kids, played intramural basketball, or even volunteered at some free clinic.
 
The only kind of extracirriculars that really matter for residency are research, and especially publications.

No one cares if you tutored inner city kids, played intramural basketball, or even volunteered at some free clinic.

I agree with you for the most part, but it's somewhat field dependent. Some FM programs care if you're involved in your community, etc., and will specifically ask about tutoring/free clinic exposure/health fairs. For most people, though, their extracurriculars are just there to take up space on their CV.
 
Awesome. Is AOA selection at each school based on a different criteria? Also what does it mean when a school says they look at both your grades and your overall potential in medicine (specifically this latter portion). Does this mean leadership in the sense of ec's....or what? Thank you all for the help so far!
 
The best advice I've been given regarding medical school EC's is: Any activity will say more about you than no activity. These things all just add to program director's perceptions of your personality.

Obviously the big guys need to be taken care of (Step 1, clinical grades, research), but when you're at the level where every applicant has their bases covered in these critical areas, some of those EC's might make you more memorable.

To me, the most important aspect of medical school EC's is that they make you a better team-player in an indirect fashion. So obviously being the secretary of your Ortho interest group doesn't mean much as a bullet point on your ERAS, but dealing with all the **** that a club treasurer deals with may make you a better communicator/more organized/more patient/more professional etc... Sure, you can learn all these "soft" skills as you go along in your training just like everyone else, but I think EC's are a great way to become a better multi-tasker and get a head start on becoming a reliable person with actual responsibilities (as trite as they may be). And I'm sure you can imagine how these soft skills will help you build rapport during clinical rotations and sub-i's. Just my 2 cents.
 
I think another thing is that depending on what you do, certain extracurriculars may actually help you very much with networking, which can go really really far from what i have heard.
 
I've heard leadership does help at some schools with AOA
 
These things will help differentiate you, but they obviously are secondary to Step 1 scores/Research/Grades. Having said that, devoting a lot of time to...say.... the free clinic will probably help you in your 3rd year clinical rotations. Also, many times I've found ECs have helped me find what sort of things interest me particularly in medicine. And which don't. I'm a manager in the free clinic, do some work with the AMA (currently drafting an AMA resolution), and advocacy work for minorities in medicine. They keep me happy, but most aren't going to lead to any specific "publication". You should be keeping up with grades and classes, but to a certain extent....remember that medical school is also the time to start to carve out your role in our medical system and what sort of broader things you might want to do with your career. This could be women's rights, basic science research, health education, policy, etc. If you have the time to try things out, take advantage of it- you many find an issue or calling that fulfills your career.

I've actually found that in a few hyper-competitive specialties, students with some unique, very personal interest (related or unrelated to that specialty) end up doing better. Maybe this stems from the fact that (as always), people are looking for more than just grades. They look for people with genuine passions and who have the will to follow through with them.

Personally, I go to a P/F school and we have 9 weeks to study for Step 1. I also have found that (by now in my 2nd year) I've learned enough what resources are good for studying for exams and how to do so very effectively. I also realize that I forget almost everything about a 3 days after I take the exam. So, again, I'm not sweating over getting a 90%+ on everything. It'll "come back" when it needs to come back (i.e. starting 9 weeks before my board exam). Maybe my "activities" keep me more at the 85 percent tile on exams. But, I'm having more fun while doing it.
 
Thru this entire process, it is important to remember that you still should maintain a hobby or two. At some point, you will need to impress upon an Attending Physician that you are a person who has at least some interest outside of Medicine. Be it hunting, fishing, scuba diving, or whatever. You need something mundane to pull out of your hat to talk about, when the time comes. That may well be the program that wants you the most! And there really is life outside of medicine.
 
It probably matters some. I've been asked a couple of times what I like to do in my spare time (which you could allude to through your extracurriculars or through the hobbies section of ERAS). However, I doubt it opens doors or influences ranking. No one's every asked about my lack of leadership positions or minimal volunteering experience. DO WELL ON YOUR STEP 1 or better yet, honor your rotations and everything else becomes secondary.
 
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