DO fellowships

[NRAI2001]

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I m interesting in doing internal med then a fellowship (cardiology, pulm, GI, neph...etc).

How difficult are the AOA versions of these to get into? Are most of these concentrated in the midwest?

 

[JayneCobb]

How difficult are the AOA versions of these to get into? Are most of these concentrated in the midwest?

They're going to be concentrated where the AOA IM programs are in the first place,

 

[NRAI2001]

They're going to be concentrated where the AOA IM programs are in the first place,

THanks for your extremeley helpful comment

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

If you go to the DO opportunity page
http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/index.htm
And look up individual programs they say if all the spots have been filled and how many people have applied.


I like you sarcasm

 

[NRAI2001]

If you go to the DO opportunity page
http://opportunities.osteopathic.org/index.htm
And look up individual programs they say if all the spots have been filled and how many people have applied.


I like you sarcasm

I ve checked out that link before, its pretty cool actually.

But I m just wondering the difficulty of actually getting some of these fellowships? I know in the allopathic fellowship route its getting more and more difficult bc of a renewed interest in the subspecialties. How difficult is it for a DO to match into an AOA spot (lets say cardio or GI)?

 

[DrMom]

Honestly, I'd suspect that the AOA fellowships' competitiveness is going to be similar to the ACGME fellowships.

 

[JayneCobb]

It depends on the program. There seems to be a little more inbreeding when it comes to choosing their own residents first, but otherwise it's going to be about the same as any ACGME program.

and yes, outside of philly, most fellowships are in Ohio, michigan, and a few in Oklahoma.

 

[serenity head]

Alot More Inbreeding!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NRAI2001]

It depends on the program. There seems to be a little more inbreeding when it comes to choosing their own residents first, but otherwise it's going to be about the same as any ACGME program.

and yes, outside of philly, most fellowships are in Ohio, michigan, and a few in Oklahoma.

So basically with the inbreeding you would have to do a DO internal med spot to get one of the DO cardio, GI, pulm spots?? Can you do a allopathic IM residency and then apply to the DO cario..etc spots? DOes this occur often?

 

[DrMom]

We have a cards fellow right now who did an ACGME IM residency. It can happen, but they also graduated from the affiliated med school so people here already knew them.

 

[JayneCobb]

Can you do a allopathic IM residency and then apply to the DO cario..etc spots? DOes this occur often?

It's possible, but I would imagine that it's not any easier than going from osteo residency to allo fellowships

 

[NRAI2001]

It's possible, but I would imagine that it's not any easier than going from osteo residency to allo fellowships

Ya so basically to land one of the DO fellowships you basically have to do an osteopathic IM residency?? What if you did your IM at a good allo spot like USC, Loyola, Rush, Albert Einstein..(other DO friendly spots)..etc would it actually be more difficult to match into a fellowship at the DO spot?

 

[JayneCobb]

Ya so basically to land one of the DO fellowships you basically have to do an osteopathic IM residency??

No, as already mentioned DrMom and I both know (the same person) who went to an allo residency and a osteopathic fellowship. It's not impossible, But you will run into the Rule 42 issue about getting your ACGME program AOA approved and all that hoop-la. If you search my started threads, You'll find that there are proposed rule changes which would make that extremely difficult should they pass.

What if you did your IM at a good allo spot like USC, Loyola, Rush, Albert Einstein..(other DO friendly spots)..etc would it actually be more difficult to match into a fellowship at the DO spot?

I have no clue as I do not know anyone has tried this. But if you're good enough to get into one of those, why wouldn't you be able to get an allo fellowship?

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

No, as already mentioned DrMom and I both know (the same person) who went to an allo residency and a osteopathic fellowship. It's not impossible, But you will run into the Rule 42 issue about getting your ACGME program AOA approved and all that hoop-la. If you search my started threads, You'll find that there are proposed rule changes which would make that extremely difficult should they pass.



I have no clue as I do not know anyone has tried this. But if you're good enough to get into one of those, why wouldn't you be able to get an allo fellowship?

I actually know a fellow that did his residency and cards fellowship at an allo program and missouri. He is currently an interventional fellow at St. James in suburban Chi.

 

[JayneCobb]

I actually know a fellow that did his residency and cards fellowship at an allo program and missouri. He is currently an interventional fellow at St. James in suburban Chi.

Ultimatly you are gonig to be better suited to quit looking at it as what is the easiest way to get into a cards fellow, but to look at it by asking how much hard work is it going to take to get in any program period. Being an osteopath does not give you loop holes, it doesn't open the kingdom to easier fellowships to get into as they can be just as competitive. Buckle down and get to studying.

 

[NRAI2001]

Ultimatly you are gonig to be better suited to quit looking at it as what is the easiest way to get into a cards fellow, but to look at it by asking how much hard work is it going to take to get in any program period. Being an osteopath does not give you loop holes, it doesn't open the kingdom to easier fellowships to get into as they can be just as competitive. Buckle down and get to studying.

I know I will need to work hard..its just that I met a st. georges (carribean) graduate who did really well on his boards and had good grades then did his IM residency in SF (CPMC) and still had a lot of trouble getting a cards residency. Finally got one after applying for three years. He even started a cardiology program at his hospital and they didnt even take him into that cards program bc he was a fmg (even though he started the program). He said he knew many other people that were not able to match into fellowships even though they were well qualified (grades, board scores, places they did residency) bc they were technically fmgs and nothing else.

I was just wondering about how DOs faired, bc if this situation occurs for DOs they can apply to the AOA fellowships as well as the allo ones.

I m still deciding wether to go St. Georges or DO school next year. I ve been accepted to St. Georges and I anticipate I will be accepted to most DO schools (3.4 gpa and 30 mcat, plus masters degree).

 

[medhacker]

I anticipate I will be accepted to most DO schools (3.4 gpa and 30 mcat, plus masters degree).

Brace yourself...

and best wishes

 

[sexyman]

He said he knew many other people that were not able to match into fellowships even though they were well qualified (grades, board scores, places they did residency) bc they were technically fmgs and nothing else.

I m still deciding wether to go St. Georges or DO school next year. I ve been accepted to St. Georges and I anticipate I will be accepted to most DO schools

I believe you answered your own question in your first quote.