do i have a chance?--need help

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I asked one school and they said yes I could..possibly because my MD is from a foreign school.

I'm very doubtful that it would work and I have never heard of such a thing, but go ahead and try. For your sake, I hope it's a reputable allo or osteo school, or you'll be back to this same spot 4 years from now. The only person's time you're wasting is your own.
 
about the whole nurse thing...whatever--because a nurse once tried to draw blood from me and left a needle in there with me...i mean she didn't know i was a doctor either. what if i stuck myself? same principle here. so seems ilke its no big deal everywhere else but me? well, i beg to differ. i should be treated like anyone else.

at that hospital i saw residents leave open cath sets laying next to patients and left the room for prolonged periods of time, and that's okay?

I saw needles in patients' drawers---is that okay? I don't think so.

I told them what I saw and the example I had to follow being a new intern there...and they didn't seem to acknowledge that and acted like still im in deep trouble just because this particular nurse dind't like me. i had switched calls with another resident so some of the nurses I hadn't known before.
she wanted my new year's vacation and I stupidly gave it to her only to find out my job will be clobbered by nurses on her shift. I think the shift change really messed things up because these nurses weren't used to me, they were used to her and expected to see her that very night.

That was the first time I had switched calls there with anyone.

this particular nurse was new. she was very judgemental...the rest were normal. I believe she had a problem the way she kept talking to me. She was yacking at me all night in a rude manner over anything and everything--no one else acted that way. She could have even been a temp from another hospital. It was just late at night--she was really cranky.

I clearly remember throwing away my sharps--i meticulously did so every time. I don't know where anyone gets the notion that I was lazy or anything. I did all I could the best I could. I've walked in on a SSA patient and seen tons of needles laying on a bed that a nurse left.

You never know it could have been a few days old, left by a nurse and suddenly found later. I dont think that without proof I should be fully blamed, and besides be the only one blamed when everyone else had done worse. Even so, this is ridiculous. I don't care what anyone has to say about me just because of this one thing as a starting intern--this doesn't happen to anyone. she reports me to the CEO. I mean she really wanted to ruin me. She has no authority whatsoever to ruin my job, but i think that is the only powertrip those nurses had there to feel like they are in control, although I gave them all the control in the world. She was so OCD she didn't get what I meant when I said it the first time. She only sees black and white--yes or no...and doesn't have a clear interpretation of my answer to her. I did apologize ,said sorry, it won't happen again, and still she was on my back over my many incoming pages--didn't care about it, so I walked off because anything I said was wrong to her..she's just an insane woman, that's all i see and her main aim is to win..and if she doesn't she makes sure she wins by ruining someone's job. she could have gotten in trouble for not trying the iV before asking me. i mean that is her job and she's dumping it on me and I did it even though other residents would never do that for a nurse and make sure she does it first...i even saw them do that, yet I am the one that gets pushed around like that and still lick the floor for them and still am dead for that. she's just a thankless woman. i was more than nice to her.

Anyways...if anyone thinks she was in the right i am sorry...there's something wrong with that. and to think i am not fit for medicine well i think that's going a little too far to say that. i'm still trying regardless.

Take a deep breath and breathe it out. Repeat after me, "I shall let the nursing story go. It shall wash over me like a spring shower." Don't take everything personally and don't so be defensive. Programs want residents who will be team players.
 
Take a deep breath and breathe it out. Repeat after me, "I shall let the nursing story go. It shall wash over me like a spring shower." Don't take everything personally and don't so be defensive. Programs want residents who will be team players.

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Definitely need to.

I agree. I should learn to be a doormat: say Welcome! stomp and scrape feet here! Gladly appreciated! Come back soon!

i am pretty massochistic anyways as it is...pretty maleable and impressionable..like a marionette...tell me what to do and i'll do it...lol. if that isn't a team player i dont know what is.
 
Hahaha:laugh:
Definitely need to.

I agree. I should learn to be a doormat: say Welcome! stomp and scrape feet here! Gladly appreciated! Come back soon!

i am pretty massochistic anyways as it is...pretty maleable and impressionable..like a marionette...tell me what to do and i'll do it...lol. if that isn't a team player i dont know what is.

You don't get it. What we're saying is that you have to play the game. Interns have to make an attempt to get along with the nurses, because if a nurse doesn't like you, s/he can hang you out to dry. Its unfair that nurses aren't required to reciprocate, but that's the way it is. What can you do about it? You can't change the nurse's attitude. The only person you can change is you.
 
Hahaha:laugh:
Definitely need to.

I agree. I should learn to be a doormat: say Welcome! stomp and scrape feet here! Gladly appreciated! Come back soon!

i am pretty massochistic anyways as it is...pretty maleable and impressionable..like a marionette...tell me what to do and i'll do it...lol. if that isn't a team player i dont know what is.

And by the way, you need to stop being so defensive and sarcastic. People here are trying to give you constructive criticism. I'm hoping you weren't like this with your attendings or upper levels. That is one way to ensure that you don't get along with them.
 
about the whole nurse thing...whatever-- so seems ilke its no big deal everywhere else but me? well, i beg to differ.

at that hospital i saw residents leave open cath sets laying next to patients and left the room for prolonged periods of time, and that's okay?


I told them what I saw and the example I had to follow being a new intern there...and they didn't seem to acknowledge that and acted like still im in deep trouble just because this particular nurse dind't like me. i had switched calls with another resident so some of the nurses I hadn't known before.
she wanted my new year's vacation and I stupidly gave it to her only to find out my job will be clobbered by nurses on her shift. I think the shift change really messed things up because these nurses weren't used to me, they were used to her and expected to see her that very night.

I believe she had a problem the way she kept talking to me. She was yacking at me all night in a rude manner over anything and everything--no one else acted that way. She could have even been a temp from another hospital. It was just late at night--she was really cranky.


You never know it could have been a few days old, left by a nurse and suddenly found later. I dont think that without proof I should be fully blamed, and besides be the only one blamed when everyone else had done worse.

she reports me to the CEO. She was so OCD she didn't get what I meant when I said it the first time.

It is obvious from your post that you had a personal conflict with a nurse, from your post it sounds possible that you could have left the needle, regardless you have to apologize even it is wasn't you! You should have realized that you had more to lose as any such altercation in residency could hurt you more than someone who has a license to be a healthcare provider i.e. nurse, you no longer have hospital privileges and can't touch a patient at this point while this nurse still does. If you are reported to the "CEO" of the hospital you obviously had a bad fight with a nurse, bad move to make as residencies, hospitals, want people who can get a long, your posts still have a lot of attitude and you need to fix this, which will be hard. It is a VERY bad sign if you jutisfy yourself by saying that other residents are incompetent, leaving a cath tray is actually not as bad as the occult needle as everyone can see it is there, i.e. stepping out for 20 minutes . . . It is like you got busted for bank robbery and tell the judge that there are worse criminals who weren't caught!! I am nice to nurses as much as possible, and firm but polite if I am confronted by a nurse, whethr or not I did something wrong is irrelevent it is the attitude that you have where you seem to discount any concerns the nurse has about your work. You are probably defending yourself here in this forum as your poor record unfortunately will speak for itself, all FMGs who get a residency get a second chance, and you didn't seem to have approached this opportunity with any humility i.e. you are a doctor in training, certainly not a doctor. You are SORELY mistaken in thinking the nurse didn't have "authority" over you as anyone in a hospital if they see a doctor, especially a doctor, messing up and report you and "ruin your career". You should be humbled by the fact that the nurse will continue to see patients forever in the hospital whereas currently you can't so much as breathe on a patient and may never be allowed to even take a patient's blood pressure on American soil. Sad but true. You need to work at a non-resident/MD job to fine tune your social skills to put it nicely. Try teaching at a community college maybe and learn to develope respectful attitudes of your co-workers even though they don't have "authority" over you. Have never been in the world outside of medicine? Most people in medicine have OCD, that is why patients live through surgeries and get better on medicine floors, if you don't have a detail oriented approach, again you should not be in medicine, a choice that may be made for you.
 
Just remember I voluntarily asked to leave, before they can do me anymore damage, passed all my rotations and got all credits. I had my reasons.

Why should I stay in a hostile place that wants to ruin my life?
I kept letting them throw bad things on me like probation, etc. and at a point they tell me im doing well, im almost out of it, and then the nurse thing. After I saw that, there's no telling what else may happen. I asked my associate PD what I should do in this situation..leave or stay---he said, you don't want a suspension on your record, i would try to resign--that's the better option--they knew how the nurses get there , they even tried to instruct me how to deal with them, and I did my best but they still have their wicked ways. who wouldn't want to leave a situation like that where you have no one on ur side at all and you just have to accept accept accept everything they tell you, to the point that what if you even get terminated? That would have been even worse...so I could have stayed and watched consequences, but i opted not to risk my future for even more horrible marks on my record--it could be good or bad who knows. i didn't want to stay to find out because it's just a scary situation that can ruin your career for life. I guess in a way it turned out to be catch 22 anyways.

im not accepting a nurse and her exaggerated complaints that no one else gets.who wants to show her power in an evil way, so i was gone in a heartbeat. I learned my lessons, but there was no way to stay there. Those people won't change overnight. What's done is done. I'm gone from there.

You all may think im crazy to do that, but if you were in my shoes, what would you have done? I felt I had no choice. I did want to stay but I foresaw a bad future there.
 
Just remember I voluntarily asked to leave, before they can do me anymore damage, passed all my rotations and got all credits. I had my reasons.

Why should I stay in a hostile place that wants to ruin my life?
I kept letting them throw bad things on me like probation, etc. and at a point they tell me im doing well, im almost out of it, and then the nurse thing. After I saw that, there's no telling what else may happen. I asked my associate PD what I should do in this situation..leave or stay---he said, you don't want a suspension on your record, i would try to resign--that's the better option--they knew how the nurses get there , they even tried to instruct me how to deal with them, and I did my best but they still have their

I am very sorry to tell you, what you are saying no longer makes sense, if your PD wanted you in the program he/she would have wanted for you to stay, they don't want to ruin your life, they don't care what you go do, they just don't want to work with you anymore. Leaving before you are fired or suspended is the same thing in the eyes of PDs. You need some help big time to help you understand how the professional world works in terms of what is expected, how to act to people, . . . only the PD can put you on probation, and if they want you to go they tell you it is a good idea to avoid a lawsuit. How old are you? Maybe if you were in your early twenties it would be easier to understand, it is like your asking us if Ole Yeller is going to be OK? after he taken outside by the parents to be put down, same thing here, the PD told you to resign and that everything would be OK with Ole Yeller when he/she helped to kill your chances of being a doctor ever again. Sad.
 
You don't get it. What we're saying is that you have to play the game. Interns have to make an attempt to get along with the nurses, because if a nurse doesn't like you, s/he can hang you out to dry. Its unfair that nurses aren't required to reciprocate, but that's the way it is. What can you do about it? You can't change the nurse's attitude. The only person you can change is you.

That's true..I tried to. I did whatever they wanted me to do. Tried to be nice. I think i didn't bring them enough food--that would have done the trick. I guess when they want to pounce on me, just apologize, say it will never happen again, etc. Sometimes it's hard when 2-5 nurses need u at the same time and each one thinks they're important and you have to turn one down for a little while to tend to another.....then the other thinks you're not doing ur job, and makes threats to report you for not arriving faster, no matter how much you explain to them. or your pager dies and you don't know ur being paged for a while..those situations can be killers. It really is a game and u have to be lucky and play your cards right to get out alive.
 
I am very sorry to tell you, what you are saying no longer makes sense, if your PD wanted you in the program he/she would have wanted for you to stay, they don't want to ruin your life, they don't care what you go do, they just don't want to work with you anymore. Leaving before you are fired or suspended is the same thing in the eyes of PDs. You need some help big time to help you understand how the professional world works in terms of what is expected, how to act to people, . . . only the PD can put you on probation, and if they want you to go they tell you it is a good idea to avoid a lawsuit. How old are you? Maybe if you were in your early twenties it would be easier to understand, it is like your asking us if Ole Yeller is going to be OK? after he taken outside by the parents to be put down, same thing here, the PD told you to resign and that everything would be OK with Ole Yeller when he/she helped to kill your chances of being a doctor ever again. Sad.

The PD did not tell me to resign, they wanted me to stay to get suspended and fight it out, but i stupidly got scared and asked them "can i resign instead?". I dind't nkow any better and I had no lawyer or others to guide me. I knew i had a good chance to win it but they said i'll get a suspnsion mark whether i win or lose so that really didn't make sense to me, so that was the part that made me want to leave. I met one of my attendings later on by chance in some externship and she said she wished I fought it and that the residents and nurses there were real bullies, but back then I had no one to tell me that, no one wanted to encourage that--she said she tried to contact me but I never heard from her for some reason. it really was a stupid move on my part. I'm pretty old...as in my early 30's.

LOL that is so funny, I asked someone for advice who could care less about my future and you are so right. well that's what I get huh. That shows you how little resource I had at that program to have to ask someone associated with the PD (the person was the associate PD, not the PD himself--he wasn't around). I even asked the cheif and all he could say was very sorry about your situation. I tried to talk to some of the residents and they just tried to act like I don't exist and could care less. Shows the level of camraderie there. Attendings were like, well i dind't work with you long enough to write you an LOR, sorry! even though i worked with them a full month. I'm sure that's long enough. I could have stayed yes...been suspended...but the PD was like "well its going to look really bad if you have that in ur future" I asked my dad who is a doctor about it and he agreed that suspensions look bad. Some say I did a good preventative move, some say I should have stayed and fought...let's say i won, great, lets say i lost, well i'd be even worse off than now with a possible termination..isn't that the next level? i just got scared,,that's the main point of it all..no one to give me the best guidance. I only had 3 hours to decide to stay or go, not enough time there. What would you have done?
 
Just remember I left, before they can do me anymore damage, passed all my rotations and got all credits. I had my reasons.

Why should I stay in a hostile place that wants to ruin my life?
I kept letting them throw bad things on me like probation, etc. and at a point they tell me im doing well, im almost out of it, and then the nurse thing. After I saw that, there's no telling what else may happen. My associate PD was like, you don't want a suspension on your record, you should just leave--they knew how the nurses get there , they even tried to instruct me how to deal with them, and I did my best but they still have their wicked ways. who wouldn't want to leave a situation like that where you have no one on ur side at all and you just have to accept accept accept everything they tell you, to the point that what if you even get terminated? That would have been even worse...

im not accepting a nurse and her exaggerated complaints that no one else gets.who wants to show her power in an evil way, so i was gone in a heartbeat. I learned my lessons, but there was no way to stay there. Those people won't change overnight. What's done is done. I'm gone from there.

You all may think im crazy to do that, but if you were in my shoes, what would you have done? I felt I had no choice. I did want to stay but I foresaw a bad future there.

Here's the thing though. At most residency programs, when a resident-nurse conflict occurs, the program director will usually take the nurses' side. That's just the way it works.
Still though, it is hard to believe that you got into trouble over one conflict with a nurse. Usually, there has to be a pattern of behavior involved. In the first place, you were already on probation. When you're on probation, you're not supposed to make any mistakes. Otherwise, you're out of the program.
I would also venture to guess that there may have been a track record of conflicts with nurses. As I said before, residents don't get fired over one squabble with a nurse. There has to be a pattern.
Also, you are blaming everyone else but yourself for your situation. This is called "playing the victim." You really need to take a look at yourself, assess what you did, take responsibility for your actions, and attempt to correct yourself. That's what a physician does.
 
Just remember I left, before they can do me anymore damage, passed all my rotations and got all credits. I had my reasons.

Why should I stay in a hostile place that wants to ruin my life?
I kept letting them throw bad things on me like probation, etc. and at a point they tell me im doing well, im almost out of it, and then the nurse thing. After I saw that, there's no telling what else may happen. My associate PD was like, you don't want a suspension on your record, you should just leave--they knew how the nurses get there , they even tried to instruct me how to deal with them, and I did my best but they still have their wicked ways. who wouldn't want to leave a situation like that where you have no one on ur side at all and you just have to accept accept accept everything they tell you, to the point that what if you even get terminated? That would have been even worse...

im not accepting a nurse and her exaggerated complaints that no one else gets.who wants to show her power in an evil way, so i was gone in a heartbeat. I learned my lessons, but there was no way to stay there. Those people won't change overnight. What's done is done. I'm gone from there.

You all may think im crazy to do that, but if you were in my shoes, what would you have done? I felt I had no choice. I did want to stay but I foresaw a bad future there.

Here's the thing though. At most residency programs, when a resident-nurse conflict occurs, the program director will usually take the nurses' side. That's just the way it works.
Still though, it is hard to believe that you got into trouble over one conflict with a nurse. Usually, there has to be a pattern of behavior involved. In the first place, you were already on probation. When you're on probation, you're not supposed to make any mistakes. Otherwise, you're out of the program.
I would also venture to guess that there may have been a track record of conflicts with nurses. As I said before, residents don't get fired over one squabble with a nurse. There has to be a pattern. You admitted that this nurse disliked you. If you had a track record of poor rapport with nurses, this may have been the reason.
Also, you are blaming everyone else but yourself for your situation. This is called "playing the victim." You really need to take a look at yourself, assess what you did, take responsibility for your actions, and attempt to correct yourself. That's what a physician does.
 
Here's the thing though. At most residency programs, when a resident-nurse conflict occurs, the program director will usually take the nurses' side. That's just the way it works.
Still though, it is hard to believe that you got into trouble over one conflict with a nurse. Usually, there has to be a pattern of behavior involved. In the first place, you were already on probation. When you're on probation, you're not supposed to make any mistakes. Otherwise, you're out of the program.
I would also venture to guess that there may have been a track record of conflicts with nurses. As I said before, residents don't get fired over one squabble with a nurse. There has to be a pattern. You admitted that this nurse disliked you. If you had a track record of poor rapport with nurses, this may have been the reason.
Also, you are blaming everyone else but yourself for your situation. This is called "playing the victim." You really need to take a look at yourself, assess what you did, take responsibility for your actions, and attempt to correct yourself. That's what a physician does.

I did have a track record of hateful nurses. I am the victim with these nurses. there's no way around that. there was one gay male nurse and another gay female nurse supervisor prior to this that tried to do me in deep..she wrote a big report on me just because I wanted her to help me resolve this conflict with that gay male nurse, and all she wanted to do was to report me to my attending rather than help to hash it out. Where I'm from, nurses are sweeter than sweet potato pie, but in NY, it is a whole other ball game, where they side with their own kind only, so you have to be careful. I was about to shake her hand on meeting her and all she could say was "i have done more in my life than u will ever do in your life" and i was just dumbfounded because I didn't even know her. i think that gay male nurse told her about me--lies actually--he took something I said out of context and started insulting me saying i probably bought my degree, etc., and that I should listen to the nurses just because he's been there 20 years (although I know I am only supposed to take orders from seniors)...i can understand his seniority...but u know...i can't just do something because he says so, which is what he wanted me to do! My job was on the line, yet i have to please a nurse at the same time and let him feel empowered? =another catch 22 moment.I sure wanted him to feel powerful but there are certain things I can't do and that is to allow him to tell me what orders to write without asking my senior first for permission if I wasn't sure about it. This guy even tried to shut my hand on the drawer when I needed to do a stat CBC on a bleeding patient...that nurse supervisor sat there all day long watching me and writing me up for what just happened. I did cry when I had to meet with her and the other nurse, because I never had anyone treat me so rudely just to resolve an issue and then to threaten to report me like its all my fault. and for having red eyes this nurse supervisor was telling security to "escort this resident off the floor she is not fit to work" i mean the more she bothered me the more unfit i became so i wished she would be the one to leave. Eventually nightfloat came in and took over thankfully. I used to get along with that male nurse but suddenly he just got cranky and went off on me, got paranoid, made reports, and i got scared and tried to resolve it and it got even worse. So i learned not to even bother, just stay quiet, let them call me names, let them report me whatever, and move on. i mean this was harassment. it wasn't jsut me not getting along--i tried but they are harsh people they don't want to be pleased or help anyone, they just want to mess people up.

I tried my best but they were nothing but full of threats no matter what I did to please them. I think next time I shouldn't say much to them, give them yes or no answers, be cordial and nice, which I always was, smile, serve them food. I understand my mistake--never ask a nurse supervisor to resolve a conflict with another nurse, even if the nurse reported you to the nurse supervisor--they'll never side with you......just quietly try to finish up work and get out of there ASAP..let them report you who cares.
 
Before adding more posts about those nurses who are after you, why don't you read what people have written.

Drop the defensiveness and sarcasm. Drop the persecutory feelings about nurses. Stop playing the victim card. Be hardworking, fast learner, humble, polite, nice to everyone -- including nurses.

Life is not fair all the time. It's expected of you as a professional to be able to deal with these types of situations. Use your brains and judgment to deal with them.

As of right now, you have nil chance of succeeding. With this attitude of yours, you probably won't get another shot at residency and if you did you probably will screw it up again.

I'm checking out.
 
Before adding more posts about those nurses who are after you, why don't you read what people have written.

Drop the defensiveness and sarcasm. Drop the persecutory feelings about nurses. Stop playing the victim card. Be hardworking, fast learner, humble, polite, nice to everyone -- including nurses.

Life is not fair all the time. It's expected of you as a professional to be able to deal with these types of situations. Use your brains and judgment to deal with them.

As of right now, you have nil chance of succeeding. With this attitude of yours, you probably won't get another shot at residency and if you did you probably will screw it up again.

I'm checking out.

First off I see you're a medical student, showing me you have not even been there yet.

Second off, I'm not being defensive im just telling what happened , since people are questioning me what happened, and if they have a wrong notion of course I'll correct them on it--why should I sit there and let them believe something wrong.

Residency is tough..everything will be your fault no matter if it is or not.
I'ts not persecutory feelings it was real doings on the part of nurses. If someone doesn't like u in residency they can and will try to ruin your career whether you are nice to them or not. Some nurses just like to make report after report. I know lifes not fair or else I wouldn't be in this situation. I have already read all the posts, but someone asked me if I had a past record of nurse problems and that was my answer. Don't tell me I have nil chance when you don't know much about it. You know nothing of my attitude, I was just objectively stating what happened at that program. This program was bigger than most and had a lot more patients than most hospitals and was in fact one of the largest hospitals in the state, as it covered an entire county, so we had tons more work to do than other hospitals. I like to work but I'm just saying, our workload was higher than the average resident, so people were crankier and more overworked. I was doing my job and I had to deal with these nurses. Try that hospital and when you get out tell me you had such a great time dealing with the nurses because majority of residents there were terrified of them. Other places I've been they weren't like that, but that particular hospital was notorious for that.

I am humble, hard working , a fast learner, etc.--what makes you think I'm not? Wait, dont answer that ok because I don't want to hear one to that question.

and yes im being defensive because I don't need to be spoken to like the way you are right now. With your attitude and judgements, im not so sure you would succeed to talk to people that way.

by the way, you look like you feel persecuted by nurses yourself by your signature where it compares nurse trainings and trying to stop them from becoming practictioners/able to write Rx, etc...--i wholeheartedly agree that is really unfair, but don't tell me I'm the only one being persecuted and victimized by certain nurses when you are involved in something like that. 🙂
 
I did have a track record of hateful nurses. I am the victim with these nurses. there's no way around that.

Do you honestly think that? Really? From the stories you tell, you are acting as if all the nurses, not to mention the residents, attendings, and PD at the hospital you were working in were all out to get you. You are acting as if the situation you are now in was everybody's fault but yours. If this was an isolated incident with one or two nurses, then we would probably be more sympathetic. But when a resident has interpersonal conflicts with a significant number of coworkers, then you really have to wonder about the personality of the resident. Maybe you thought you were being nice. But somehow, you probably came off as arrogant or condescending. And you are still missing the point. A good physician not only performs to the best of his/her ability, but s/he also takes responsibility for his/her actions. You have not given us any indication that you know how to take responsibility for yourself. Instead, you hide behind a lot of excuses, and try to portray yourself as a tragic heroine being victimized by her coworkers. How can anyone like you then be trusted with people's lives, if you don't know how to hold yourself accountable? Try accepting responsibility for your mistakes, learn from them, and move on. Incidentally, if you manage to get an interview at another residency program, and you tell the interviewer stories like you've told us, you will not be hired. Program directors hate people who make excuses.
 
Do you honestly think that? Really? From the stories you tell, you are acting as if all the nurses, not to mention the residents, attendings, and PD at the hospital you were working in were all out to get you. You are acting as if the situation you are now in was everybody's fault but yours. If this was an isolated incident with one or two nurses, then we would probably be more sympathetic. But when a resident has interpersonal conflicts with a significant number of coworkers, then you really have to wonder about the personality of the resident. Maybe you thought you were being nice. But somehow, you probably came off as arrogant or condescending. And you are still missing the point. A good physician not only performs to the best of his/her ability, but s/he also takes responsibility for his/her actions. You have not given us any indication that you know how to take responsibility for yourself. Instead, you hide behind a lot of excuses, and try to portray yourself as a tragic heroine being victimized by her coworkers. How can anyone like you then be trusted with people's lives, if you don't know how to hold yourself accountable? Try accepting responsibility for your mistakes, learn from them, and move on. Incidentally, if you manage to get an interview at another residency program, and you tell the interviewer stories like you've told us, you will not be hired. Program directors hate people who make excuses.

I am not saying any thing that everyone was out to get me but yes the nurses were very hostile there and they are the ones that tipped everything off. I've said numerous times in numerous posts that during probation I was told I was doing well. doesn't that tell you something? that it wasn't really my performance. it was dealing with these rude beings all over the place. That's something you may or may not ever understand. What do you mean everyone's fault but yours? I never said that. I'm just telling you what happened. I simply just didn't fit in this program, and I already said in another post, if you have been reading everything, that I went to another externship and had no such problem with dealing with anyone as this (excpet in the ICU with IM attendings that found out about my past program and knew of my past pd and wanted to ruin my life for some reason) other than that everything else was great and I had no complaints. Everyone there was nice and civil. I'm used to nice and civil people not hostile people, because I'm not a hostile person myself.
I can vouch for one thing though, my patients always wanted my card (even though I didn't have one, but I made some for them) and really liked me a lot, and i think that is the most important thing of all.

Just know I am from the midwest...they are from NY...two different animals....yeah we had personality conflits. many at that hospital had this really rude mentality you may or may not ever understand. Me being this bible belt nice person really didn't fit into that. I was spoken really rudely to all the time. I stayed quiet like I should and just tried to get by. I don't care if you don't believe me because my life doesn't depend on you. I dont forsee you hooking me up anywhere anyways. if they had a problem with me then forget them, not everyone is going to like me and why should that stop me from being a doctor as long as my patients liked me.

I dont even make excuses i'm just telling the story as it happened. im not arrogant at all...im probably as humble as it gets...but there sure were a lot of arrogant people surrounding me--possibly why I didn't fit in....i dont even tell the whole story to programs, because no one is going to even listen or buy it or care. I just tell them i resigned for personal reasons and that it wasn't a good fit for me and I wanted to pursue elsewhere, and if they have more questions then I answer but i tell them as it happened and that's it. There's nothing else i can say or do. If you think i have no chance that's ur own opinon.

Anyways I'm hear for encouragement not discouragement. I knew this would happen where people ask questions just so they can bash me. This is what I call persecution --people that keep bothering you and pushing you out of your own career when you did nothing to them. So if you don't want to say anything good then just don't post ok because I don't want to hear more rudeness. If it is constructive criticisim it would have been in a polite manner but that sure wasn't.
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I'm really tired of talking about my past program. all i see is bashing, interrogation, skepticism, paranoia, so if anyone has questions just read what I already wrote. I have no more about it to say. All i asked was for help, not to be incriminated or bashed. So if that's what you want to do im not going to listen to it anymore--only positive posts. Its like no matter what i say no one is satisfied, well im not here to satisfy anyone. i resigned midyear with credits, no fails, the program wasn't a good fit for me, whereas at other programs I dont' have that problem---that's all I have to say.
 
Do you honestly think that? Really? From the stories you tell, you are acting as if all the nurses, not to mention the residents, attendings, and PD at the hospital you were working in were all out to get you. You are acting as if the situation you are now in was everybody's fault but yours. If this was an isolated incident with one or two nurses, then we would probably be more sympathetic. But when a resident has interpersonal conflicts with a significant number of coworkers, then you really have to wonder about the personality of the resident. Maybe you thought you were being nice. But somehow, you probably came off as arrogant or condescending. And you are still missing the point. A good physician not only performs to the best of his/her ability, but s/he also takes responsibility for his/her actions. You have not given us any indication that you know how to take responsibility for yourself. Instead, you hide behind a lot of excuses, and try to portray yourself as a tragic heroine being victimized by her coworkers. How can anyone like you then be trusted with people's lives, if you don't know how to hold yourself accountable? Try accepting responsibility for your mistakes, learn from them, and move on. Incidentally, if you manage to get an interview at another residency program, and you tell the interviewer stories like you've told us, you will not be hired. Program directors hate people who make excuses.


They make pills for that...
 
I'm really tired of talking about my past program. all i see is bashing, interrogation, skepticism, . . . not to be incriminated or bashed. only positive posts.

??? only positive posts?? It doesn't matter how hard you try to convince us of this or that, the PDs who look at your application and call your old PD will make that call,
 
I tried my best but they were nothing but full of threats no matter what I did to please them. I think next time I shouldn't say much to them, give them yes or no answers, be cordial and nice, which I always was, smile, serve them food. I understand my mistake--never ask a nurse supervisor to resolve a conflict with another nurse, even if the nurse reported you to the nurse supervisor--they'll never side with you......just quietly try to finish up work and get out of there ASAP..let them report you who cares.


Whats with the food?
 
??? only positive posts?? It doesn't matter how hard you try to convince us of this or that, the PDs who look at your application and call your old PD will make that call,

actually, I don't even have an old PD, he left before I did...so we had our associate PD, who is no longer the associate PD....Thus, I dont know who they're calling..there's no one for them to really call. There's even a brand new PD that doesn't even know me. I know the chairwoman is still there- not sure if they ask her. They hardly ever answer their phones or return calls anyways, so it's probably very difficult to get a hold of anyone there. maybe not even calling at all. All they see is that i left midyear on my CV and that I passed all rotations and got credits. Then from there they can ask but they never bother to ask. Some did ask me in the past but they didn't have anything for me.
 
They make pills for that...

there is a difference betwen thinking that ppl are out to get you who aren't really trying to do anying vs. ppl that really did get you. In my case some of the nurses literally did "get me" into deep trouble by my PDs, and now i know their word counts more--little did I know back then-- and i wasnt staying for more. Let's say in the movie ironman, did stark just sit around happily building a missile? no. he was at gunpoint...is he going to stick around that place as long as he can? no. he made a plan to get out. his life was at stake. In the same respect, nurse reports are like shooting guns in residency--my career was at stake. i did what I had to do.
 
actually, I don't even have an old PD, he left before I did...so we had our associate PD, who is no longer the associate PD....Thus, I dont know who they're calling..there's no one for them to really call. There's even a brand new PD that doesn't even know me.

None of that matters. Programs often change faculty and when you are applying for residency or hospital credentialing, they will seek out whomever has information on you. The current PD at my residency program was not PD when I was there, but even though he was faculty and knew me well, the hospitals I applied to wanted verification from my former PD (who was fortunately still at the same program).

If they can find your former PD, they will ask you to send him/her requests for information. If your former Associate PD is still at your program, they will ask him or her. If they can find none of the above who know you, they will ask whomever is there currently to comment based on whatever is in your file. Therefore, you have no way of knowing what comments are in there and how they are being interpreted at this point in time by a PD who may or may not be familiar with you.

I know the chairwoman is still there- not sure if they ask her. They hardly ever answer their phones or return calls anyways, so it's probably very difficult to get a hold of anyone there. maybe not even calling at all. All they see is that i left midyear on my CV and that I passed all rotations and got credits. Then from there they can ask but they never bother to ask. Some did ask me in the past but they didn't have anything for me.

I'm sure if a program PD wanted to get in touch with your Chair or current PD, they could. Its a lot easier to get in contact "from the inside" rather than in your position, now as an outsider.

Besides all the issues you raise, have you considered the fact that you graduated 5 years ago to be a problem? There are many programs that will not accept applications from someone out from medicine for that long; therefore, it wouldn't matter what your former PD said, or what the nurses said, etc. as your application is simply not viable at a large number of programs without having been in training since graduation.
 
If someone doesn't like u in residency they can and will try to ruin your career whether you are nice to them or not.

excpet in the ICU with IM attendings that found out about my past program and knew of my past pd and wanted to ruin my life for some reason

It's been my experience that most people (and certainly most ICU attendings) have better things to do with their time than to try to ruin your life. You may run into one or two people in your life who have a sadistic streak in them like this, but if there are all sorts of people in multiple places that are trying to ruin your life...

My grandmother used to say, "if three people tell you your sick, lay down." I think it's time to admit the problem is not everyone else....
 
admit what problem?
what do you want me to admit?
and who listens to old granny anectdotes and acts like they give all the proof? good doctors don't go for the granny cures.

i already told you everything that happened.
the problem was that im not into NY mentaity at that hospital...they were nothing but rude...i mean i just met a resident and all she could say was "get me that chart!" in a rude manner...she didn't even introduce herself she just walks up from behind. my senior told me not to do a CT scan, and then later another resident screams at me for not doing it. I mean i was in stupid situationsl ike that ...stupid wars... ppl had absolutely no manners.. no one listens.. just try to even call there you get the run around.......its the worst hospital out there. i heard one girl from a US med school call it "death hospital". this is what i was dealing with ok so lay off. im glad i left. end of story. you all can live in your own little world thinking its all my fault but at least I know what happened. at least im not judgemental like u are being.
 
None of that matters. Programs often change faculty and when you are applying for residency or hospital credentialing, they will seek out whomever has information on you. The current PD at my residency program was not PD when I was there, but even though he was faculty and knew me well, the hospitals I applied to wanted verification from my former PD (who was fortunately still at the same program).

If they can find your former PD, they will ask you to send him/her requests for information. If your former Associate PD is still at your program, they will ask him or her. If they can find none of the above who know you, they will ask whomever is there currently to comment based on whatever is in your file. Therefore, you have no way of knowing what comments are in there and how they are being interpreted at this point in time by a PD who may or may not be familiar with you.



I'm sure if a program PD wanted to get in touch with your Chair or current PD, they could. Its a lot easier to get in contact "from the inside" rather than in your position, now as an outsider.

Besides all the issues you raise, have you considered the fact that you graduated 5 years ago to be a problem? There are many programs that will not accept applications from someone out from medicine for that long; therefore, it wouldn't matter what your former PD said, or what the nurses said, etc. as your application is simply not viable at a large number of programs without having been in training since graduation.

i've looked around--not all programs have a 5 yr grad date cut off, some have no cut offs.

also, i've had my references checked to that chairwoman to see if she's badmouthing me and they're not. they just say 'im not allowed to comment, or i can't comment on that'. I had them try to talk to my associate PD but no one can get a hold of him--plus he says that he's no longer one and refers it to anyone current..he's a fellow now, maybe done by now.
 
i've looked around--not all programs have a 5 yr grad date cut off, some have no cut offs.

That is true, but I wasn't sure you were aware that some programs did have cut offs and some that don't are still wary.

also, i've had my references checked to that chairwoman to see if she's badmouthing me and they're not. they just say 'im not allowed to comment, or i can't comment on that'.

See, I beg to differ...I think those are negative comments meant to convey something that they are not willing to put on paper. In general, at least in my experience, most physicians will say good things if they have them to say but will avoid outright negative comments, rather couching it in the terms above which lets the recipient read between the lines. I hope that your references are strong, but if those are the type of comments that are being given about you then I'd be a bit more worried.

I had them try to talk to my associate PD but no one can get a hold of him--plus he says that he's no longer one and refers it to anyone current..he's a fellow now, maybe done by now.

That also seems suspicious to me as well. If you were well-liked and they had no qualms, most programs want to see you do well and are willing to work with other programs to try and get you a space. I do get that there are malignant programs and people out there, but seems like someone at your former program should be reachable for programs to get some insight into why you left.

Finally, I know you think we are being judgemental but frankly you posted here for advice and multiple people have told you the same thing. It can be hard to look outside ourselves and see what's real and what isn't. Obviously we are hearing only one side of the story from you, but what we hear doesn't make sense and doesn't fit with our experiences and knowledge. Having come from California to train in the NE, I know the personality differences can be strange, but they are not so overwhelming that they should be affecting you psychologically 5 years later.
 
That is true, but I wasn't sure you were aware that some programs did have cut offs and some that don't are still wary.



See, I beg to differ...I think those are negative comments meant to convey something that they are not willing to put on paper. In general, at least in my experience, most physicians will say good things if they have them to say but will avoid outright negative comments, rather couching it in the terms above which lets the recipient read between the lines. I hope that your references are strong, but if those are the type of comments that are being given about you then I'd be a bit more worried.



That also seems suspicious to me as well. If you were well-liked and they had no qualms, most programs want to see you do well and are willing to work with other programs to try and get you a space. I do get that there are malignant programs and people out there, but seems like someone at your former program should be reachable for programs to get some insight into why you left.

Finally, I know you think we are being judgemental but frankly you posted here for advice and multiple people have told you the same thing. It can be hard to look outside ourselves and see what's real and what isn't. Obviously we are hearing only one side of the story from you, but what we hear doesn't make sense and doesn't fit with our experiences and knowledge. Having come from California to train in the NE, I know the personality differences can be strange, but they are not so overwhelming that they should be affecting you psychologically 5 years later.

I really don't know what it was.
Thanks for all your insight..
Hopefully I will get a position one day...
Just don't know what to do right now...
For now im studying for step3 that's about it...
I had multiple weird problems on multiple levels. but i think it was in that program only, because when i went to another program to do an 8 month externship, i was fine--i had no problems or conflicts==people were very nice and helpful and friendly, got some good LOR's, so i think it was the program itself..that's why i wanted to just seek elswhere and call it 'not a good fit'.
but o well. i dont know what else to do now. just keep applying and see what happens.
 
See, I beg to differ...I think those are negative comments meant to convey something that they are not willing to put on paper.
I agree. You rarely (if ever) see negative comments in writing these days - it exposes you to a possible lawsuit. Instead, people with bad things to say write completely factual recommendations like "so-and-so worked here during these dates" and offer no subjective opinion. These are red flags. "I have no comment" is a waving red flag. You have to read between the lines all the time. If a recommendation is questionable, people will often call the writer for clarification. If someone refuses to elaborate further, that essentially confirms the diagnosis.
 
i have some decent ones regarding my personality from a few attendings..e.g. one of them was impressed by my demeanor and how hardworking i was, etc., one of them said I am kind and caring and punctual, work hard, etc. I have another one from research, but not sure if that counts, he said he really liked my presentation that I gave and that i was doing an individual project. I guess I should include my associate PD letter too right? even if it is not all that great, he still states he supports me in finding another program. Or should I get that PD letter rewritten? Or track down the original PD that left before i did?

There was this surgeon or actually a couple of them i worked with last year...they were really nice..i assisted them w/ surgeries but i never got an LOR from them 🙁 i should though right, esp if they were nice? Being top doctors does that help or does it not matter? These guys were top.

So I shoudn't send any lors from people that probably wont say much good about me then?

Thanks for that good advice. I didn't know that before. will try this time.
 
Haha Oatcell! hilarious and true!
Thanks for the lessons! Will do!😀👍
Candy for all!
 
Its a lot easier to get in contact "from the inside" rather than in your position, now as an outsider.

Unfortunately, when your program started viewing you as an "outsider" that's when they blew some smoke up your #%$, i.e. "If I were you I would quit our residency and give us your first born and go jump off the golden gate bridge." Never ever trust anyone in a position of authority over you for "understanding" as residents are basically pawns to be used by the PDs, and they really don't care if they let one drop of the chess board. It isn't worth the risk of any PD to even remotely say anything positive about you, which is the same thing as negative in the medical world. Liked Winged seem to say, if they wanted you in the program they would have maybe helped you, but the whole my PD left and the hospital is weird and is a dog that doesn't hunt. I would conclude if I were a PD that your hospital basically thought you were a big time jerk and tried to fire you but got you to leave. (They are NOT going to say that their nurses are *hateful* you are the one who will be criticized.) Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who is "right" or more right, the golden rule is that those with the gold of power make the rules up to serve them, they are a massive hospital with hundreds of doctors and you aren't, so you lose. You can leave just because the place is "malignant" (although you admit you were on probation), but that doesn't make you squeaky clean as other hospitals are pretty much the same and would guess you would leave a new residency too. Just because you got good evals on an externship doesn't mean anything because all evals are excellent anyway . . . and you don't actually do real work on an externship you just show up, so be more humble and realize that you basically failed out of residency for poor attitude and quite possibly some sloppy work, if you don't realize this and change then if you actually do get another residency you will be on probation again.
 
Unfortunately, when your program started viewing you as an "outsider" that's when they blew some smoke up your #%$, i.e. "If I were you I would quit our residency and give us your first born and go jump off the golden gate bridge." Never ever trust anyone in a position of authority over you for "understanding" as residents are basically pawns to be used by the PDs, and they really don't care if they let one drop of the chess board. It isn't worth the risk of any PD to even remotely say anything positive about you, which is the same thing as negative in the medical world. Liked Winged seem to say, if they wanted you in the program they would have maybe helped you, but the whole my PD left and the hospital is weird and is a dog that doesn't hunt. I would conclude if I were a PD that your hospital basically thought you were a big time jerk and tried to fire you but got you to leave. (They are NOT going to say that their nurses are *hateful* you are the one who will be criticized.) Unfortunately, it doesn't matter who is "right" or more right, the golden rule is that those with the gold of power make the rules up to serve them, they are a massive hospital with hundreds of doctors and you aren't, so you lose. You can leave just because the place is "malignant" (although you admit you were on probation), but that doesn't make you squeaky clean as other hospitals are pretty much the same and would guess you would leave a new residency too. Just because you got good evals on an externship doesn't mean anything because all evals are excellent anyway . . . and you don't actually do real work on an externship you just show up, so be more humble and realize that you basically failed out of residency for poor attitude and quite possibly some sloppy work, if you don't realize this and change then if you actually do get another residency you will be on probation again.

On my externship after this intern position, it was actually called a nonACGME PGY1 intern position, so really i did everything the PGY1's did, except it wasn't for credits, it was paid though. I didn't just show up. I went on rounds, wrote daily note on patients, did consults, went on call q4 and q3, assisted surgeries, put in NG tubes, etc. everything as PGY1's do. I just call it an externship because people may not understand that it isn't a credited position, even though the program was ACGME accredited itself. but really it was a nonACGME internship. And yeah they judged me like any other pgy1 there--some didn't even know i was a noncredit. I would think this position should have some weight to it.

I do admit my attitude wasn't all there initially, because I was doing that simultaneous MBA which drained me but I was determined to finish it plus get through residency. It is tough to do both, i realized. I didin't like the MBA too so that affected my attitude...I kind of hated myself while i was doing it but am nto a quitter to stuck to finish it, since I was too far into it. But after I grad from the MBA in November, i was all there, and they told me i was doing well with no complaints. I thought they woud have wanted me to finish the MBA bc i thought that was one of the reasons they took me into their program, but i probably was wrong. I think this MBA was the primary reason for all of this and I wish I had quit it from the start, but I didn't know any better back then that it would affect me. It's amazing i got a 4.0 in it and even got some Chancellors list award for it, and the teachers really liked me, but really it just made me nauseated and I'd rather be doing medicine.
 
admit what problem?
what do you want me to admit?
and who listens to old granny anectdotes and acts like they give all the proof? good doctors don't go for the granny cures.

If you have a conflict with one or two people, you can say it's them. When EVERYONE is against you, including attendings at a different facility who "try to ruin your life" for "no reason," you need to admit that you are at least PART of the problem. I don't know you, but I do know that 99% of the time, when everyone is against you, you are not totally blameless. I'm even willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe all these people really were horrible (a bit of a stretch, but...), but there is NO DOUBT that you need to accept some of the responsibility.

You asked for advice and people have given you advice. But, you don't want to hear it, so you make excuses and attack people who disagree with you.

I have been in a similar situation to you. I lost a job once and was convinced that everyone was out to get me and all that. It wasn't MY fault, it was those hateful people I worked with. But, about a year later, looking back with some distance and more maturity, I realized that I really did bear most of (if not all of) the responsibility. If I could go back, I'd do it all different and not get so defensive. So, everything I say, I say from experience. Reading your posts was like listening to myself years ago. I learned from the experience. Hopefully you will learn from this too.

And good doctors SHOULD listen to "granny anecdotes" if they're good advice. You shouldn't discount truth simply because someone's grandmother said it or you don't like hearing it.
 
Just to clarify, it's been five years since you graduated from med school? Or since you left your PGY-1 year?

Have you been applying to the Match each year since you left?
 
Just to clarify, it's been five years since you graduated from med school? Or since you left your PGY-1 year?

Have you been applying to the Match each year since you left?

I grad in 2003 and left the residency in 2004.
 
If you have a conflict with one or two people, you can say it's them. When EVERYONE is against you, including attendings at a different facility who "try to ruin your life" for "no reason," you need to admit that you are at least PART of the problem. I don't know you, but I do know that 99% of the time, when everyone is against you, you are not totally blameless. I'm even willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe all these people really were horrible (a bit of a stretch, but...), but there is NO DOUBT that you need to accept some of the responsibility.

You asked for advice and people have given you advice. But, you don't want to hear it, so you make excuses and attack people who disagree with you.

I have been in a similar situation to you. I lost a job once and was convinced that everyone was out to get me and all that. It wasn't MY fault, it was those hateful people I worked with. But, about a year later, looking back with some distance and more maturity, I realized that I really did bear most of (if not all of) the responsibility. If I could go back, I'd do it all different and not get so defensive. So, everything I say, I say from experience. Reading your posts was like listening to myself years ago. I learned from the experience. Hopefully you will learn from this too.

And good doctors SHOULD listen to "granny anecdotes" if they're good advice. You shouldn't discount truth simply because someone's grandmother said it or you don't like hearing it.

I never said that everyone was against me..im saying that some residents, particularly the seniors i got stuck with, which were about 3-4 and some nurses (not all of them--i would say about 3-4 of them), 1-2 attendingas who was really rude toward me just for asking a question, (one of them was like "you're a doctor?", and she kept saying that...how rude is that just for me politely asking a simple question on whether the patient should get vanco--i had to ask her permission for vanco as she was the ID attending) People were just rude and cranky--what else can I say. I told her "OK fine I'm not a good doctor" telling her waht she wants to hear, so she'll stop saying that to me and not discuss the patient at hand, and for that she reports me. And I don't even know why that report counts when she started it. We did have some run ins but mostly it as them yacking and I had to sit there and listen with having nothing I could do about it, just saying can we please not fight, i have a lot of pages to answer. (because im not into arguing--my parents are divorced--i was always in the middle trying to resolve it). I don't know what else to say, if someone's in my face like that. I'm telling you--crankiness all over the place. there's just something really not right about that hospital...i never seen so many disgruntled people in one place before who actually even try to show it off to you in your face. I'm a quiet type of person, try not to get in trouble, but they wanted to make me out to be this troublemaker..it was like my worst nightmare.

i think it probably was one of those 'low on a totem pole' hospitals at that time and people were just generally unhappy..even my colleges were like 'i wish i got in elsewhere, this place is just average!" while i was just trying to muster up some positivity in myself, they loathed that I had a good attitude, because theirs wasn't. everytime i walked in i'd just feel nauseated dealing with the heartless selfish people i met there--i saw no camraderie there at all. and if there was I eventually found that person to be a backstabber..even if they were of my own race or religion..i mean utter nightmare--i lost all respect for my race dealing with some of them and their attitudes....it was so uncomfortable too..the decor was so dark, dank and 70's..they don't even have carpeting...or anything to make it look like a happy atmosphere..not that it matters much but it does make a difference...where im from they decorate the place with pinks and seagreens, carpet, cushy sofas, some windows for light, nice colors everywhere, not this dank dungeony looking style, no windows, where you even have no place to sit in the lobby--you just stand there...or sit on a small block of concrete....no other hospital made me feel that way. i think generally everything about that hospital was miserable and when i got out some of my intern friends were envying me because no one liked it there...the program was more about instilling fear by threats....rather than a friendly learning atmosphere.... that's not a proper learning environment.
 
You tend to write A LOT, maybe that medical writing thing is a good idea.
 
I never said that everyone was against me..

OK, I'm sorry if I misread or misunderstood what you were saying.

See how easy that was? Really, sorry if that last line was snarky, my point is, maybe I misread what you said, maybe not, but it's not worth arguing. That should be the attitude you use dealing with argumentative people. Very seldom is arguing worthwhile.

im saying that some residents, particularly the seniors i got stuck with, which were about 3-4 and some nurses (not all of them--i would say about 3-4 of them), 1-2 attendingas who was really rude toward me just for asking a question, (one of them was like "you're a doctor?", and she kept saying that...how rude is that just for me politely asking a simple question on whether the patient should get vanco--i had to ask her permission for vanco as she was the ID attending) People were just rude and cranky--what else can I say.

You're right, that is rude. But guess what? There are rude people everywhere. It's a sad fact of life. Now, there may be more in this particular place, but...you're going to have to learn how to deal with rude people. Maybe others have tips on this?

I still maintain that you (and I don't mean just YOU, but the universal you 🙂) have to take some responsibility and learn how to deal with cranky and rude people, otherwise, when/if you find another residency (which believe it or not, I hope you do), the same thing is likely to happen. Because even in good places, there are cranky and rude people to deal with.
 
You tend to write A LOT, maybe that medical writing thing is a good idea.


hah! i just felt like i had a lot of explaining to do, with all the questions, and seems like its never enough. lol. i think im already at the end point of what I had to say by now. 🙂

but yeah ur right...i write too much.

medical writing is way different. you have to research every single sentence you write, and it's usually on some rare topic like "malignant peripheral nerve sheath tumors" or "therapeutic angiogenesis" that there's not much info about..so its harder to punch out paragraphs.....but it is cool that the patients use this info to try to expedite finding a potential cure for their ailment, so that's why i would like the job..the writing part is so tedious though, especially because ur material isn't published it goes to individual patients, and there's no telling how many reports you have to write per month. that's why i'd rather do clinical. it's not bad though to do temporarily--for a life sentence--im not so sure.
 
OK, I'm sorry if I misread or misunderstood what you were saying.

See how easy that was? Really, sorry if that last line was snarky, my point is, maybe I misread what you said, maybe not, but it's not worth arguing. That should be the attitude you use dealing with argumentative people. Very seldom is arguing worthwhile.



You're right, that is rude. But guess what? There are rude people everywhere. It's a sad fact of life. Now, there may be more in this particular place, but...you're going to have to learn how to deal with rude people. Maybe others have tips on this?

I still maintain that you (and I don't mean just YOU, but the universal you 🙂) have to take some responsibility and learn how to deal with cranky and rude people, otherwise, when/if you find another residency (which believe it or not, I hope you do), the same thing is likely to happen. Because even in good places, there are cranky and rude people to deal with.

True. you are right. Rude people are everywhere. Sometimes you just don't know what they want to hear, but I guess I can learn to deal with them, learn what to say when, and learn when to say nothing at all.
 
I grad in 2003 and left the residency in 2004.


If you have applied every year in the match and are still with nothing...

I would *SERIOUSLY* give another job/occupation all my thoughts... I just dont think medicine is going to work out.

Not being harsh, just breaking the news of reality.

We shall see if anyone else agrees yet?
 
If you have applied every year in the match and are still with nothing...

I would *SERIOUSLY* give another job/occupation all my thoughts... I just dont think medicine is going to work out.

Not being harsh, just breaking the news of reality.

We shall see if anyone else agrees yet?

I am looking for temporary alternative options, but it makes me nauseated and hate my life to do it for life...I may try something for the time being, but eventually i hope to find a program, because that's all that makes me happy. I like dealing with patients, not looking at papers or living in complete solitude.

by the way I've gotten interviews before, post match in surgery a couple yrs ago, or during the match in IM or FP 2 yrs ago, or neurosurgery this yr (if you can believe it was within the top 5 programs..i can't believe it either)...here and there....so that shows some sort of hope somehow..i only apply to programs i qualify for scorewise, but never anything top for the match, so i dunno..maybe im not applying to the right ones...it's just highly competitive everywhere..getting flooded..but it's kind of not fair that you're left out to dry if you were a previous resident.

Maybe you can hook me up to yours 😉???
or maybe you know someone that can help me get in?

I have tried IM, surgery, and only a few fp. maybe if i tried more fp and others i could make it. fp is more forgiving. i haven't really given it a full shot. I probably need connections....i heard thats how many others got their spots. maybe if i score high on step 3 i can get in somewhere. i still haven't exhausted that yet...some say that that is the ticket.

where and how can i get connections?:hardy:
 
where and how can i get connections?
Connections are things you build up over time throughout your career. In medical school and residency, and in college you meet people with whom you keep in touch. Surely you have friends from med school, previous instructors, people you have worked with, etc.
 
Connections are things you build up over time throughout your career. In medical school and residency, and in college you meet people with whom you keep in touch. Surely you have friends from med school, previous instructors, people you have worked with, etc.

I did ask a couple collegues...it didnt turn out for scramble, but maybe for the next match...Is it good to visit them at their program and just kind of hang out there? I dont know the way to go about it. They did talk to their PD about me but I didn't hear back, but that was for the scramble only--i think they filled so there were no spots anyways.

I am now starting up some shadowing a doctor a few hrs a day, so I at least have something clinical to do--maybe get me a current LOR...in addition to my step 3 studies...i am so bored without it. Maybe that would help??? I hope so.
 
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