do i have enough clinical experience to get in with a good smp performance?

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my biggest fear is that i do well in an smp but get rejected by medical schools because they think i don't have enough clinical volunteering.

medically related activities
100 hours of hospital volunteering with patient contact (i wasn't restocking carts) over the span of 2 semesters
50 hours of volunteering & shadowing in 1 semester
150 hours of hospital volunteering over the span of *1 month*. i got patient contact and was mentoring other volunteers.
3 years of basic science research with 2 pubs

i will apply for the first time this june and to both MD and DO. i will probably start the drexel ims in the fall. i don't expect an MD acceptance but i'm OK with losing some $$ to roll the dice.

i graduated in 2009 with a 2.3 gpa in electrical engineering
since then...130 non-degree post bacc credits at 3.7 gpa;
80 of the 130 are science credits with 3.6 post bacc science gpa. i took 50 nonscience because i considered other fields besides medicine.

today cumulative gpa is 3.0 / science gpa is a 3.2
mcat = 31 = 11 10 10; i will retake because i'm willing to prove i can do 35+.

other notes: [1]i did some other stuff like working as a clerk and clubs in college but this post is long enough [2]some of post bacc classes were distance classes from harvard extension school. i was working in the middle of nowhere so i paid fees to be proctored (like mcat) and the lectures were broadcast. these were great, rigorous classes, but i expect critics to be cynical. this is similar to drexel ims where lectures are telecast. if this raises a red flag, i did well during my last year of post bacc with brick and mortar local university and...i'm doing the SMP anyway. [3]my pre-prof office is reputable and the director says that st george is a viable option. he says i'll get a residency because my 31 mcat indicates i'll be in the top half of the class. i don't want to do this option. [4] i'm not waiting anymore, i'm definitely applying with a concurrent smp.

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Have you worked with or shadowed a DO? The DO schools are probably indeed your best bet, but they will like to see you have DO specific experience. If not, then I would find time to shadow or work with a DO before you start your SMP and if possible, and get a good LOR from him or her. If you do have DO experience, then this might be enough with good SMP grades. This will vary from school to school though. Contact your first choice schools directly and ask their advice.
 
thanks for your input. i shadowed at the ER which had both DOs and MDs. they had the same exact function. patient was treated by the MD could be readmitted 3 weeks later and treated by the DO. that's most of what i have to say to the med schools about DO. all i care is function. i will read up on OMM. i've looked at the match lists for PCOM (top choice DO schools) and LECOM and i don't feel limited in the fields that will probably interest me.

i need to decide between drexel IMS vs LECOM post bacc. LECOM has a great linkage while IMS does not but if LECOM & PCOM think highly of the IMS program then i'll do IMS. IMS gets a lot of people into DO schools plus i should get a guaranteed interview at drexel if I get a B in all my classes. doesn't mean an acceptance but it's still good to have a drexel interview in january. i could probably get into rfu bms too but drexel ims is so much cheaper and convenient. if the opportunities are the same, my top pick would be drexel ims. temple acms is too hard to get into.

i will probably do some more volunteering in the summer and then do 4 hours of shadowing on the weekends during the SMP year. shadowing is fairly low stress for me.
 
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shucks, i forgot to mention that my AMCAS is 3.0 cGPA and 3.2 sGPA but my AACOMAS is 3.0 cGPA and 3.0 sGPA. AACOMAS counts engineering as a science which drops my science gpa even further! grade replacement is NOT an option. this hurts my DO chances. i'm really going to have to get into an SMP program that has great linkage or hope that adcoms give a lot more weight to the SMP.
 
Personally, I think that you have good stats and have a good chance.
 
I'm stunned that you would think you don't have enough clinical experience. Whoever told you that is smoking something bad for them.
 
I'm stunned that you would think you don't have enough clinical experience. Whoever told you that is smoking something bad for them.

thank your for your feedback, dr. midlife. it's always appreciated 🙂
 
You have good enough stats for most DO without the SMP/post-bacc imo. If you really want to get into PCOM, just do their post-bacc cert program. Apply the same year and you should matriculate into their program directly next year. They also have the guarantee interview like most DO schools for getting above 3.4 if memory serves. I've heard Drexel is hard to get into for anyone who did sub 3.0 in their undergrad even after doing their post-bacc programs so I would weigh that option carefully.

You're in good position to straight out apply for medical school (especially DO) for this coming cycle imo.
 
You have good enough stats for most DO without the SMP/post-bacc imo. If you really want to get into PCOM, just do their post-bacc cert program. Apply the same year and you should matriculate into their program directly next year. They also have the guarantee interview like most DO schools for getting above 3.4 if memory serves. I've heard Drexel is hard to get into for anyone who did sub 3.0 in their undergrad even after doing their post-bacc programs so I would weigh that option carefully.

You're in good position to straight out apply for medical school (especially DO) for this coming cycle imo.

Thank you for your feedback.

PCOM's averages are 3.45 cGPA, 3.38 sGPA, and 27 MCAT. Mine are 3.0 sGPA & cGPA AACOMAS (lower than my AMCAS) and a 31 MCAT. I'm humbled when I see applicants with better numbers or years of full time clinical work.

I hope to do an SMP to either increase my chance of getting into a DO school OR to get into the host medical school. Currently, my top choice is the LECOM post bacc program. Low cost and high linkage according to a chorus of past students. Even if I can get in without the SMP, I'll happily work hard for a year and pay 13K to make sure that I don't have to apply again.

Temple ACMS: If I was lucky enough to get accepted (that's a big IF), I would definitely get a 3.7+ in the program. I have worked very hard for years to get this far and if I am given a chance I will grab onto it. But the average GPA for ACMS students is a 3.59!

RFU BMS - This is the most expensive program for me by far. If this program was close to home where I could save some money on living expenses and enjoy the convenience (which helps with studying), I'd do it in a heart beat. Otherwise, I'm afraid to spend 40K tuition + 20K living / books / travel. 76 students accepted last year into RFU is very impressive.

EVMS - 80K a year COA for OOS! I'd rather do LECOM.

Cincinnati - I think this program has a very high linkage because they accept very competitive people to begin with. 3.4 & 33 are borderline stats.

Edit: I called up Drexel this morning and they said that excellent performance in the program does not necessarily get me into Drexel.
 
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Oh, I forgot to respond about PCOM's program. I am not applying to it. They give the guaranteed interview in March so I'd be fighting for wait list spots. Moreover, PCOM isn't really an SMP where I am taking courses alongside medical students. I am ready to excel in a rigorous SMP and I'm happy to prove it. PCOM has a great name but I'm not sure how much weight this program carries for other schools. If I'm missing something here, I'm definitely happy to hear from others. PCOM is a great school.

LECOM has a much stronger linkage. Between PCOM and Drexel IMS (same cost too - 27K tuition for both), I'll take my chances with Drexel IMS. IMS is a true SMP so it has weight with DO schools and gives me an interview at Drexel. But still, for now, based on what I know, LECOM has one of the highest success rates.
 
Oh, I forgot to respond about PCOM's program. I am not applying to it. They give the guaranteed interview in March so I'd be fighting for wait list spots. Moreover, PCOM isn't really an SMP where I am taking courses alongside medical students. I am ready to excel in a rigorous SMP and I'm happy to prove it. PCOM has a great name but I'm not sure how much weight this program carries for other schools. If I'm missing something here, I'm definitely happy to hear from others. PCOM is a great school.

LECOM has a much stronger linkage. Between PCOM and Drexel IMS (same cost too - 27K tuition for both), I'll take my chances with Drexel IMS. IMS is a true SMP so it has weight with DO schools and gives me an interview at Drexel. But still, for now, based on what I know, LECOM has one of the highest success rates.

Do agree that LECOM translates to near 100% acceptance, especially with their low requirements. If your heart is set on starting ASAP, that would be your safest bet.
 
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