Do MD's flex their muscles for the DO's benefit?

[dank204]

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Just curious but please be honest, do MD's look down on DO's?

 

[dude1344]

 

[mfrizzo3]

If they are shorter than me..........

 

[turkeyjerky]

I keep it simple and look down on everyone.

 

[nikkapatikka]

 

[link2swim06]

I think most people judge the person not the degree, if your an idiot you will be judged as such.

 

[clifftacopter]

I think most people don't care. Some people don't really understand what a D.O. is. For example, my grandfather had a bad experience with a doctor who happened to be a DO, and now thinks they're all quacks and wannabe MDs. That is unfortunate as I imagine DO training is pretty comparable and the few DOs I've seen that rotate through my school seem to keep up with the MD students here.

 

[iwumd07]

I think most people don't care. Some people don't really understand what a D.O. is. For example, my grandfather had a bad experience with a doctor who happened to be a DO, and now thinks they're all quacks and wannabe MDs. That is unfortunate as I imagine DO training is pretty comparable and the few DOs I've seen that rotate through my school seem to keep up with the MD students here.

Agreed. i have friends in DO school as well and the teaching they get isn't much different than in allopathic schools. The one that one of my friends is at doesn't even teach any manipulation or traditional DO stuff.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Agreed. i have friends in DO school as well and the teaching they get isn't much different than in allopathic schools. The one that one of my friends is at doesn't even teach any manipulation or traditional DO stuff.

Well, that's a lie. DO schools are required to teach OMM or they lose their accreditation.

 

[iwumd07]

Well, that's a lie. DO schools are required to teach OMM or they lose their accreditation.

🙁 Then he probably just hasn't learned it yet. Point being they're still learning good medicine.

 

[Bacchus]

🙁 Then he probably just hasn't learned it yet. Point being they're still learning good medicine.

It's a 2 year course. You start your first week. Next idea?

 

[JaggerPlate]

He probably just meant that they just don't emphasize it much at that particular DO school or that the friend doesn't do much with it. I've heard of a few schools where the involvement with OMM is pretty minimal, and, like someone else said, the education is strong otherwise.

Personally, I go to a school with a BIG OMM emphasis, and we do a lot with it. Additionally, we hosted a conference a while back with all the medical schools in the state (2 DO 3-ish (I can't specifically remember) MD), and although it probably wasn't a great indicator of how people think/act normally, I personally didn't notice any negativity toward any specific party.

To me, it seems like the enormous MD v DO thing kind of dies down once you leave the pre-allo section on SDN.

 

[auburnO5]

Just curious but please be honest, do MD's look down on DO's?

Yes.

But I typically look down on everyone.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Yes.

But I typically look down on everyone.

Lol.

 

[Gryhu]

MDs don't have time to look down on DOs and vice versa. From what attendings tell me, you're judged on how good of a doctor you are, not by the letters that come after your name.

 

[Dr Oops]

No, cuz DOs were at the gym while the MDs were in the library

 

[UAAWolf]

Just curious but please be honest, do MD's look down on DO's?

Why did you even make this thread.

All MD's are not the same.
All DO's are not the same.


You can't generalize it like that. I know in some states DO's are rare and SOME MD's may seem them as inferior...but not all MD's are the same as you know.


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[dank204]

Why did you even make this thread.

All MD's are not the same.
All DO's are not the same.


You can't generalize it like that. I know in some states DO's are rare and SOME MD's may seem them as inferior...but not all MD's are the same as you know.


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You are a DO I presume?

 

[ArcGurren]

Oh god not this stupid crap again.

 

[MossPoh]

You are a DO I presume?

I believe what that person said and I'm in an MD school. As does my dad, who is also an MD.

There are good doctors, mediocre doctors and bad doctors. The letters after your name are trivial.

 

[NYEMMED]

I believe what that person said and I'm in an MD school. As does my dad, who is also an MD.

There are good doctors, mediocre doctors and bad doctors. The letters after your name are trivial.

Very Well Said... Cant say it better myself

 

[Law2Doc]

Just curious but please be honest, do MD's look down on DO's?

I think you have to look back at the history. DO is an offshoot of allopathic medicine which at the time represented a schism of patient care approach. At the start of the DO movement, they worked at totally separate hospitals, and were not able to prescribe drugs. So MDs didn't see them as physicians at all. And this wasn't that long ago -- most of the older physicians in practice today remember this time, and a lot have formulated their opinions of DOs during this era. In more recent times, they have become equally licensed, and now practice side by side with MDs at the same hospitals. Their education is now largely identical. Many do their rotations at allopathic facilities, and more and more DOs are taking the USMLE and doing allopathic residencies. But prevalence of DOs is still certainly regional -- some parts of the country don't have many, and a lot of older doctors still see them as constituting a different animal than an MD, because honestly back in 1980, they were.

Having worked with folks with both degrees, I have to say that each has very different knowledge gaps, but there are very good and very bad physicians coming from each group. The folks training today get reasonably close med school education, and you are IMHO better off judging physicians by where they did their residency/fellowship than where they did their med school, because in medicine those are going to be the formative years, where you spend the bulk of hours learning your trade.

But if you are asking whether there will be MDs who aren't as impressed with the DO credential, then yeah, older docs who remember when DOs weren't really doctors at all, and younger docs in regions where there aren't any DOs to evaluate firsthand are going to be less impressed. And premeds on SDN looking to peg themselves against someone to look down upon tend to find DOs and the caribbean to be good fodder. Certainly the fact that DO schools are opening up so rapidly, and taking folks with lower numeric credentials, gives some folks pause. The fact that most DO students today try to emphasize how little difference there is between DO and MD and how equal they are pretty much undermines the who basic principle of osteopathy, which was a schism away from allopathic medicine which the osteopaths thought was the wrong approach. You really can't have it both ways -- either osteopathy offers something different, or it's equivalent. If it's equivalent, then the schism should end, osteo residency slots should be open to allopathic grads, and the DOs should be merged back into the fold under a single degree conferring entity, and the osteopathic "experiment" should be ended and deemed a failure.

That being said, most DOs and MDs have adequately equivalent schooling to be physicians. The DO degree probably offers fewer opportunities in the competitive fields, so it's a more "equal" degree if your goal is primary care than, say rad onc, radiology, neurosurgery, orthopedics. You will only get looked down on by older physicians who remember when DOs weren't really "doctors" (not all that long ago), by SDN premeds looking to strut their stuff, and in the regions of the US where DOs are still an unknown commodity. But if the degree is what is attainable, and is what gets you to your target job, I wouldn't focus on the naysayers.

 

[dude1344]

You are a DO I presume?

From his previous posts I believe he's at a top 5 MD school here...

 

[dank204]

I think you have to look back at the history. DO is an offshoot of allopathic medicine which at the time represented a schism of patient care approach. At the start of the DO movement, they worked at totally separate hospitals, and were not able to prescribe drugs. So MDs didn't see them as physicians at all. And this wasn't that long ago -- most of the older physicians in practice today remember this time, and a lot have formulated their opinions of DOs during this era. In more recent times, they have become equally licensed, and now practice side by side with MDs at the same hospitals. Their education is now largely identical. Many do their rotations at allopathic facilities, and more and more DOs are taking the USMLE and doing allopathic residencies. But prevalence of DOs is still certainly regional -- some parts of the country don't have many, and a lot of older doctors still see them as constituting a different animal than an MD, because honestly back in 1980, they were.

Having worked with folks with both degrees, I have to say that each has very different knowledge gaps, but there are very good and very bad physicians coming from each group. The folks training today get reasonably close med school education, and you are IMHO better off judging physicians by where they did their residency/fellowship than where they did their med school, because in medicine those are going to be the formative years, where you spend the bulk of hours learning your trade.

But if you are asking whether there will be MDs who aren't as impressed with the DO credential, then yeah, older docs who remember when DOs weren't really doctors at all, and younger docs in regions where there aren't any DOs to evaluate firsthand are going to be less impressed. And premeds on SDN looking to peg themselves against someone to look down upon tend to find DOs and the caribbean to be good fodder. Certainly the fact that DO schools are opening up so rapidly, and taking folks with lower numeric credentials, gives some folks pause. The fact that most DO students today try to emphasize how little difference there is between DO and MD and how equal they are pretty much undermines the who basic principle of osteopathy, which was a schism away from allopathic medicine which the osteopaths thought was the wrong approach. You really can't have it both ways -- either osteopathy offers something different, or it's equivalent. If it's equivalent, then the schism should end, osteo residency slots should be open to allopathic grads, and the DOs should be merged back into the fold under a single degree conferring entity, and the osteopathic "experiment" should be ended and deemed a failure.

That being said, most DOs and MDs have adequately equivalent schooling to be physicians. The DO degree probably offers fewer opportunities in the competitive fields, so it's a more "equal" degree if your goal is primary care than, say rad onc, radiology, neurosurgery, orthopedics. You will only get looked down on by older physicians who remember when DOs weren't really "doctors" (not all that long ago), by SDN premeds looking to strut their stuff, and in the regions of the US where DOs are still an unknown commodity. But if the degree is what is attainable, and is what gets you to your target job, I wouldn't focus on the naysayers.

Thank you for your answer. It has answered my question. Perhaps everybody else who answered is not as smart and is never going to be a doctor.

 

[pingouin]

Oh god not this stupid crap again.

Agreed.

Thank you for your answer. It has answered my question. Perhaps everybody else who answered is not as smart and is never going to be a doctor.

Burnett's Law has been invoked. I'm closing this thread because it started on a path downhill and it'll never change direction.