Do most pre-meds lie on their applications?

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Adding on to that, I think it's wrong to shame people by calling them things like "clock punchers." You don't see people shaming neurosurgeons as "money grubbing workaholics," do you?

It isn't about the number of hours you work. Clock punchers are people who treat their job as that, a job, not a profession. If you want to be a good physician, you have to have continuous enrichment outside of work to stay at the top of your game, especially when you are in training. It takes more than working 80 hours a week for 7 years to become a top notch surgeon. I am sure that most people would agree with their particular fields. If you don't have interest in investing time studying, researching or honing your skills after your 80 hour work week is over then you shouldn't go into surgery.

This isn't about produce happier doctors, this is about producing the best doctors we can. If you don't think you can be happy working your ass off then either don't go into medicine or ensure you can go into something that doesn't take as much work to do well in.

 

[HughMyron]

It isn't about the number of hours you work. Clock punchers are people who treat their job as that, a job, not a profession. If you want to be a good physician, you have to have continuous enrichment outside of work to stay at the top of your game, especially when you are in training. It takes more than working 80 hours a week for 7 years to become a top notch surgeon. I am sure that most people would agree with their particular fields. If you don't have interest in investing time studying, researching or honing your skills after your 80 hour work week is over then you shouldn't go into surgery.

This isn't about produce happier doctors, this is about producing the best doctors we can. If you don't think you can be happy working your ass off then either don't go into medicine or ensure you can go into something that doesn't take as much work to do well in.

I had little interest in surgery anyways. My dream job would have been in Derm, but eh, that's a pipe dream, so whatever, it doesn't matter.

But I'll keep what you said in mind when I enter residency.

 

[Planes2Doc]

It isn't about the number of hours you work. Clock punchers are people who treat their job as that, a job, not a profession. If you want to be a good physician, you have to have continuous enrichment outside of work to stay at the top of your game, especially when you are in training. It takes more than working 80 hours a week for 7 years to become a top notch surgeon. I am sure that most people would agree with their particular fields. If you don't have interest in investing time studying, researching or honing your skills after your 80 hour work week is over then you shouldn't go into surgery.

This isn't about produce happier doctors, this is about producing the best doctors we can. If you don't think you can be happy working your ass off then either don't go into medicine or ensure you can go into something that doesn't take as much work to do well in.

I completely agree with you here. This is why certain positions aren't for everyone. I know that some residents are very unhappy with work hour restrictions since they won't have enough time to learn and improve their skills.

While some people will be happy and productive for a lifetime, others may completely burn out, and become poor quality physicians. But as you said, this isn't about happiness, and hopefully people will know beforehand whether they are willing to make the sacrifice to pursue being a surgeon or any other time-consuming specialty. At first I did, but then when I began to experience medical school, I learned that I couldn't.

Thankfully medicine has areas for every type of person, whether you are willing to devote your life toward becoming the best physician you can be, or being a good physician while maintaining a happy life outside the workplace.