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[Duchess]

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Sure I agree their admissions office is grossly understaffed which makes the process kind of odd. However, the admissions office are very friendly people- it's not really their fault.

That was not my experience at all...they were quite unfriendly anytime I contacted them, and if you would peruse other posts, I am not the only one.

What I find interesting here is everyone wants a med school with high board passing rates. Although I understand this completely, I went to an undergrad. institution with a very high medical school matriculation rate. However, I did not feel at all prepared to do well on the MCAT. In the end, it was up to the individual to study for the MCAT.

Yes, I agree that studying for the boards is up to the individual. However, covering the material to prepare students in studying for the boards should be part of the education that you get at your institution.

 

[Steel_City]

The admissions people in my opinion are actually okay people. Most of them are disgruntled from working there because they take so much heat from the faculty all the time. No one lasts at LECOM in the lower ranks of the administration because they are treated so poorly. People in general (including students) like to be treated with respect. At LECOM, the administration will only talk down to you. I can give you many examples of strong faculty/administration that left the institution because of the way they were treated. Most of the faculty there will turn-over in the next couple years. It's a trend that's been going on for some time. Five faculty member left the institution during my first two years there. One of them was a great professor that finally got fed up with the school when the administration scolded him for having a coffee pot in his office. I remember a day when the water-heater broke and there was no heat at the school. Classes were canceled and the professors were forced to take a personal day for this. Do understand that this is the type of atmosphere you will be entering.

Ohhh....and did I mention that one in every four people fail there boards!

 

[scpod]

People in general (including students) like to be treated with respect.

Not me. I don't want any respect. I'd rather have you give my opinion to me.

At LECOM, the administration will only talk down to you.

That would be tough to do because I am taller than all of them.

Do understand that this is the type of atmosphere you will be entering.

Maybe it's just me, but I really don't understand. Could you tell me twelve to fourteen more times just to make sure that I get it right?

Ohhh....and did I mention that one in every four people fail there boards!

Did you mean "their" boards? How many of those people who failed the boards might have passed them if LECOM had taught them the difference between there and their? I'll bet that was the main problem all along.

 

[doclm]

Not me. I don't want any respect. I'd rather have you give my opinion to me.



That would be tough to do because I am taller than all of them.



Maybe it's just me, but I really don't understand. Could you tell me twelve to fourteen more times just to make sure that I get it right?



Did you mean "their" boards? How many of those people who failed the boards might have passed them if LECOM had taught them the difference between there and their? I'll bet that was the main problem all along.

Dude, are you really taller than all of them. 👍

 

[Jamers]

Not me. I don't want any respect. I'd rather have you give my opinion to me.



That would be tough to do because I am taller than all of them.



Maybe it's just me, but I really don't understand. Could you tell me twelve to fourteen more times just to make sure that I get it right?



Did you mean "their" boards? How many of those people who failed the boards might have passed them if LECOM had taught them the difference between there and their? I'll bet that was the main problem all along.

I know I said I was going to stop replying on this thread but, I just read this and scpod you are my new favorite friend. But, I don't think any amount of people contradicting this kid will stop him. He really does have a lot of time on his hands for being an MSIII and all. Makes you wonder 🙄 .

 

[Steel_City]

Not me. I don't want any respect. I'd rather have you give my opinion to me.



That would be tough to do because I am taller than all of them.



Maybe it's just me, but I really don't understand. Could you tell me twelve to fourteen more times just to make sure that I get it right?



Did you mean "their" boards? How many of those people who failed the boards might have passed them if LECOM had taught them the difference between there and their? I'll bet that was the main problem all along.

What's really funny is that I was an English major in undergrad...see what med school has done to me. It's turned me into a literary *****. In the charts, nurses don't really care how you spell "there" as long as its legible. Back to English 101 for me.

Oh...would you like to hear more reasons why dislike LECOM?

 

[doclm]

Dude, are you really taller than all of them. 👍

OK....

If your board pass rates are somewhere like 75%, you might as well go to SGU or ROSS minus the chickens and goats.

 

[scpod]

Oh...would you like to hear more reasons why dislike LECOM?

I'm pretty convinced that you don't like LECOM; I 'really don't need any more reasons. A hundred more of your reasons alone wouldn't convince me not to like it. The only thing that would do that is for me to visit the place myself. Yes, I 've heard you say that you can't know until MSIII how bad it is, but that's a decision I have to make by myself, using my own criteria. If I had chosen to go there and later decided that it was a mistake, I would simply try to learn from that choice and not make similar ones later. I think that you really need to place the blame on your own self for your mistakes, or you will never be able to learn from them.

I've never been to Erie, but I have been to LECOM-Bradenton. I loved Bradenton. It did more for me than Dick Cheney's trigger finger did for the anti-gun lobby. Sure, there are things that I don't like about it, but there are things that I don't like about my own house and I still live in it. In contrast, I went to DMU and didn't like it at all. Yes, I know that there are millions of loyal DMU fans, and I agree that it is probably a wonderful school. Still, I would never go there. Why? The weather...that's all. I don't have hundreds of reasons, just one. Yes, it might sound like a stupid reason not to like a good school, but it's my reason and I'm sticking to it.

 

[doctorE2010]

There's a difference between someone stating his opinion and someone telling me how I should feel. I really resent the OP for telling me that I am going to be miserable, just because he is. I'm NOT miserable, in fact, I'm quite excited to be going to medical school. I'll report back in three years and let you all know how NOT miserable I am, because I think I tend to make the best of any situation. Sure, every school has its problems. That doesn't give someone the right to tell other people how they should feel when they haven't experienced it yet. Stick to what you know and let other people form their own opinions.

 

[prankster]

is it 76%? because during orientation they showed us a chart with the board scores and it was around 87%-88%. where are you getting the 76 from?

 

[Dr Trek 1]

I remember a day when the water-heater broke and there was no heat at the school. Classes were canceled and the professors were forced to take a personal day for this.

What??? They actually CANCELLED classes??? You have described LECOM as being such a horrible place that I am surprised they didn't force everyone to go to class and wear a shirt and tie over their jackets

And how do you know they made employees take a personal day? Were profs complaining about it or something? Oh,and how come you decided to start this thread in February?

 

[Doctor Bagel]

And how do you know they made employees take a personal day? Were profs complaining about it or something? Oh,and how come you decided to start this thread in February?

If that happened to me, I'd probably bitch about it, so it's not so surprising that steel city would overhear some rumbling. It's not atrociously horrible, but good employers should comp you for days like that without cutting into vacation or pto. My office was closed for three days because of a freak snow storm we had (we get like three inches of snow a year, normally, so yeah, we can't deal), and I received full pay for those days without having to use any of my leave. My employer just paid everybody.

You know, I agree with Steel City that a school's administration should be friendly to their students. I've always gotten the impression that LECOM was not like that, hence my refusal to complete their secondary. Medical school is going to suck enough without having to deal with political b&ll****.

 

[HunterGatherer]

Was that the secondary asking for High School ACT/SAT scores? that was pretty lame whatever school it was.

You know, I agree with Steel City that a school's administration should be friendly to their students. I've always gotten the impression that LECOM was not like that, hence my refusal to complete their secondary. Medical school is going to suck enough without having to deal with political b&ll****.

 

[allendo]

I guess pre-meds have nothing else to do! I go to LECOM, yes I like the school, the admin is nice, profs are nice, and I'm learning alot. All of the students in my class like the school and get along well with admin. I'm in PBL so maybe I don't see as much of the school as the rest of the pathways. Overall it's a good school and I have no problem with it. I don't mind the dressing up, if you don't want to iron you dress shirt throw a sweater on over it. As long as you doing what your supposed to be doing STUDYING then you will not have a problem at LECOM. And as far as the match goes, I feel that it's up to you to research the match and get through it. LECOM is a D.O. school so therefore I don't feel it's their place to help you through the M.D. match. As far as boards, if you don't put alot into your education, then you will not get much out of it. Boards are hard and there must be effort put in to retain the information long term, not just cramming for exams.

 

[toothless rufus]

Regarding the dress code thing: Are khakis ok? Can you wear any kind of tie, like bow, or bolero, or ascot?

 

[allendo]

Regarding the dress code thing: Are khakis ok? Can you wear any kind of tie, like bow, or bolero, or ascot?

YUP!

 

[Canuck99]

OK....

If your board pass rates are somewhere like 75%, you might as well go to SGU or ROSS minus the chickens and goats.

and dont forget the cows...

 

[scpod]

If that happened to me, I'd probably bitch about it.

It didn't, so don't.

My office was closed for three days because of a freak snow storm we had (we get like three inches of snow a year, normally, so yeah, we can't deal), and I received full pay for those days without having to use any of my leave. My employer just paid everybody.

It's not a very common practice in the business world to be paid for snow days. Be glad it happened to you. You were lucky.

You know, I agree with Steel City that a school's administration should be friendly to their students. I've always gotten the impression that LECOM was not like that, hence my refusal to complete their secondary. Medical school is going to suck enough without having to deal with political b&ll****.

I expected better out of you, exlawgirrl. You got the "impression" that the LECOM administration was unfriendly from some anonymous posters on the internet (who may not even be students there) and you assumed it to be true? You, at least, should realize that the vocal naysayers you find on the internet are part of a vocal minority. The people who love the school are much less likely to get on and post about it. They are satisfied. True, everyone has an opinion, but why should you further the cause of the vocal minority when, like you said, you never even filled out the secondary. I won't say that you are gullible, but the OP really is a pretty smart person because he has you jumping on the bandwagon and doing his work for him. He doesn't even need to post for himself if people who have never even been there, nor met the administration for themselves, feel the need to "me too" the thread for him.

 

[anutka21]

It didn't, so don't.



It's not a very common practice in the business world to be paid for snow days. Be glad it happened to you. You were lucky.



I expected better out of you, exlawgirrl. You got the "impression" that the LECOM administration was unfriendly from some anonymous posters on the internet (who may not even be students there) and you assumed it to be true? You, at least, should realize that the vocal naysayers you find on the internet are part of a vocal minority. The people who love the school are much less likely to get on and post about it. They are satisfied. True, everyone has an opinion, but why should you further the cause of the vocal minority when, like you said, you never even filled out the secondary. I won't say that you are gullible, but the OP really is a pretty smart person because he has you jumping on the bandwagon and doing his work for him. He doesn't even need to post for himself if people who have never even been there, nor met the administration for themselves, feel the need to "me too" the thread for him.

I agree. From this thread I got the impression that people who do the most bashing, dont even go to school , which I dont personally understand 😕 (except of course for OP who we all know is an MSIII and we all love dearly )

 

[doctorE2010]

I guess pre-meds have nothing else to do! I go to LECOM, yes I like the school, the admin is nice, profs are nice, and I'm learning alot. All of the students in my class like the school and get along well with admin. I'm in PBL so maybe I don't see as much of the school as the rest of the pathways. Overall it's a good school and I have no problem with it. I don't mind the dressing up, if you don't want to iron you dress shirt throw a sweater on over it. As long as you doing what your supposed to be doing STUDYING then you will not have a problem at LECOM. And as far as the match goes, I feel that it's up to you to research the match and get through it. LECOM is a D.O. school so therefore I don't feel it's their place to help you through the M.D. match. As far as boards, if you don't put alot into your education, then you will not get much out of it. Boards are hard and there must be effort put in to retain the information long term, not just cramming for exams.

Thanks for the post...nice to know that not ALL LECOMres hate the place. And thanks to all the LECOM students that put up for the school and gave their honest opinion without an agenda...but hey, what do I know...LECOM is probably tapping into their SDN user name right now according to some very reliable folks

 

[FrogE7]

It didn't, so don't.



It's not a very common practice in the business world to be paid for snow days. Be glad it happened to you. You were lucky.



I expected better out of you, exlawgirrl. You got the "impression" that the LECOM administration was unfriendly from some anonymous posters on the internet (who may not even be students there) and you assumed it to be true? You, at least, should realize that the vocal naysayers you find on the internet are part of a vocal minority. The people who love the school are much less likely to get on and post about it. They are satisfied. True, everyone has an opinion, but why should you further the cause of the vocal minority when, like you said, you never even filled out the secondary. I won't say that you are gullible, but the OP really is a pretty smart person because he has you jumping on the bandwagon and doing his work for him. He doesn't even need to post for himself if people who have never even been there, nor met the administration for themselves, feel the need to "me too" the thread for him.

Excellent post scpod!! Couldn't have said it better myself. 👍

Somebody who has never even visited the school has no place commenting on it. Exlawgirl, I am assuming you are a lawyer: arn't you supposed to base conclusions on substantial evidence? I have seen you do exactly the opposite in not only this thread, but also the "New DO school opening" thread where you tried to compare an abundance of law schools to DO schools. You don't realize how different the medical field is and that in this field, medschool is medschool, no matter what. The "quality" or "ranking" of the school is not as important because we will all have a chance to prove ourselves in the boards and standardize our abilities with the rest of the country. The information taught is the same. And at the risk of sounding trite, it IS the effort of the individual student, Period.

 

[Lindyhopper]

. . . The "quality" or "ranking" of the school is not as important because . .

😕 😕 I not disputing the importance of individual effort, but I think the quality of a school is also kind of important.

 

[FrogE7]

😕 😕 I not disputing the importance of individual effort, but I think the quality of a school is also kind of important.

All I was implying was that I know plenty of people at top tier MD medical schools who have scored way below the national average on boards and conversely students at lower ranked schools, and even LECOM, walk into radiology-- due to individual performance. I am trying to emphasize that even a great school is not going to save you if you yourself don't pull through with the work, and your school won't hold you back if you're a great student.

 

[DrWiggles]

I 😍 LECOM! I thought everyone was so nice when I went up there. I had never been so relaxed at an interview. The students I talked to said that they were happy to be there and there was no one from the admissions staff there at the time....of course they could have been wearing a wire. I think this guy needs to stop whining because there are others out there that have it a lot worse than he does. And I should expect more from a fellow Pittsburgher.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

I expected better out of you, exlawgirrl. You got the "impression" that the LECOM administration was unfriendly from some anonymous posters on the internet (who may not even be students there) and you assumed it to be true? You, at least, should realize that the vocal naysayers you find on the internet are part of a vocal minority. The people who love the school are much less likely to get on and post about it. They are satisfied. True, everyone has an opinion, but why should you further the cause of the vocal minority when, like you said, you never even filled out the secondary. I won't say that you are gullible, but the OP really is a pretty smart person because he has you jumping on the bandwagon and doing his work for him. He doesn't even need to post for himself if people who have never even been there, nor met the administration for themselves, feel the need to "me too" the thread for him.

Nah, I've gotten my impressions from reading numerous posts here and from reading about the official rules of the school. Yeah, I can see why some people would be happy there, but the place gives me a strong creepy vibe.

 

[Jamers]

I agree. From this thread I got the impression that people who do the most bashing, dont even go to school , which I dont personally understand 😕 (except of course for OP who we all know is an MSIII and we all love dearly )

That kid pmed me, I told him that I couldn't talk due to the black hellicopters floating outside my windows and the LIB (LECOMers In Black) were coming to seize my computer and all of my SDN logs, that he should run back to his cave and make sure that he swept over the footprints...scary times...scary times...

 

[Jamers]

It didn't, so don't.



It's not a very common practice in the business world to be paid for snow days. Be glad it happened to you. You were lucky.



I expected better out of you, exlawgirrl. You got the "impression" that the LECOM administration was unfriendly from some anonymous posters on the internet (who may not even be students there) and you assumed it to be true? You, at least, should realize that the vocal naysayers you find on the internet are part of a vocal minority. The people who love the school are much less likely to get on and post about it. They are satisfied. True, everyone has an opinion, but why should you further the cause of the vocal minority when, like you said, you never even filled out the secondary. I won't say that you are gullible, but the OP really is a pretty smart person because he has you jumping on the bandwagon and doing his work for him. He doesn't even need to post for himself if people who have never even been there, nor met the administration for themselves, feel the need to "me too" the thread for him.

Score, finally, someone else who doesn't believe in "santa" or everything that they read on SDN. While I don't get that exact impression from exlawgirrl, I am shocked, however, by the amount of people who jump on the SDN bandwagon and are so ready to believe everything that they read! As far as anyone knows, this kid could be deadbeat waitlister who just wants to scare people away from the school so that he can get a spot. Hell, I hated LECOM, but I went there and saw it for myself. Whats more, I would never start a thread about it. What the hell do I know aside from my interview? I agree with the above poster, who seems to have the same amount of dislike for these type of threads that I do, in that steel_city, and others like him, need not even say much more than: I hate SchoolX because of Y reasons. Then, despite the ten people who come from SchoolX and contradict the OP, the bandwagoners are already being lead around like sheep. Opinions are nice, but facts are solid. I will end this, finally, with a fact about my own life. DMU is in the middle of Iowa. For someone who was born and raised on the East Coast, I haven't heard much about Iowa except that it has corn, lots and lots of corn! If I had listened to people like steel_city, I might have never visited there and found out how truely awsome the school was. So, for everyone who reads the I hate SchoolX threads and believes everything that is written there, I have one thing to say: get off your ass and visit the damn school.

 

[Donvb]

Score, finally, someone else who doesn't believe in "santa" or everything that they read on SDN. While I don't get that exact impression from exlawgirrl, I am shocked, however, by the amount of people who jump on the SDN bandwagon and are so ready to believe everything that they read! As far as anyone knows, this kid could be deadbeat waitlister who just wants to scare people away from the school so that he can get a spot. Hell, I hated LECOM, but I went there and saw it for myself. Whats more, I would never start a thread about it. What the hell do I know aside from my interview? I agree with the above poster, who seems to have the same amount of dislike for these type of threads that I do, in that steel_city, and others like him, need not even say much more than: I hate SchoolX because of Y reasons. Then, despite the ten people who come from SchoolX and contradict the OP, the bandwagoners are already being lead around like sheep. Opinions are nice, but facts are solid. I will end this, finally, with a fact about my own life. DMU is in the middle of Iowa. For someone who was born and raised on the East Coast, I haven't heard much about Iowa except that it has corn, lots and lots of corn! If I had listened to people like steel_city, I might have never visited there and found out how truely awsome the school was. So, for everyone who reads the I hate SchoolX threads and believes everything that is written there, I have one thing to say: get off your ass and visit the damn school.

What do you do for fun... Just wondering what you do during your lunch break and evenings after Student Doctor Network...

 

[FrogE7]

That kid pmed me, I told him that I couldn't talk due to the black hellicopters floating outside my windows and the LIB (LECOMers In Black) were coming to seize my computer and all of my SDN logs, that he should run back to his cave and make sure that he swept over the footprints...scary times...scary times...

👍

 

[dr.z]

That kid pmed me, I told him that I couldn't talk due to the black hellicopters floating outside my windows and the LIB (LECOMers In Black) were coming to seize my computer and all of my SDN logs, that he should run back to his cave and make sure that he swept over the footprints...scary times...scary times...

 

[FizbanZymogen]

There are many threads which list the positive attributes of various schools and we don't complain about the information these posters provide. If Steel wants to share his thoughts I say let him and take it how you will. I find it very odd that for a forum where people can discuss various aspects of medicine there has been so much hostility shown to Steel. Chill out everyone. LECOM does have a rep that is less than favorable and Steel is just trying to share why he hasn't enjoyed it. If you want to go there, then go there. If not, don't. Steel is providing the best kind of experience: first hand. take it or leave it. Peace

 

[Jamers]

What do you do for fun... Just wondering what you do during your lunch break and evenings after Student Doctor Network...

Who needs lunch??

 

[Ypo.]

What's really funny is that I was an English major in undergrad...see what med school has done to me. It's turned me into a literary *****. In the charts, nurses don't really care how you spell "there" as long as its legible. Back to English 101 for me.

Yeah-this happens to a lot of people when they start medical school-its due to your brain moving faster than your hand. I was the kid who won all the spelling bees and now I misspell really simple words all the time-not because I don't know how to spell them, but because its what learning massive amounts of information at a rapid pace will do to you.

I love it when these premeds post snotty comments about grammar and about how much free time we have to post on SDN. 🙄

I have advice for a couple of the posters who can't deal with any criticism of a school. Although I disagree with bashing schools in general, its clear that SteelCity has genuine complaints and is sincerely doing what he thinks is best-some people will appreciate it and for others it won't be useful, but attacking him because you are deciding to attend LECOM will not make your school look any better (actually it makes it look worse). If you have not yet attended school at LECOM, perhaps you should STFU since you can't refute any of his claims. Arguing about something which you have no direct knowledge of only makes you look foolish and insecure over your choice of school.

 

[Ypo.]

At the end of the day, med school is med school. I was told this while on a rotation with a medical student from Rush med school. We were comparing notes and discussing our schools. At the end of the day, you still have to learn everything you can from school, teach yourself a lot of stuff, yourself and eventually make yourself into a good physician.

You are responsible for your education and you are going to make you into who you are.

Environment and social atmosphere will play a huge role in your unhappiness or happiness while you attend school. That is really the lesson here. Some people will be happy as a clam in LECOM and others may be unhappy. The key is to first know yourself, and second-KNOW THE SCHOOL. That is where SDN comes in handy, and Steel city's posts (like them or not) and talking to other students. I'm laughing at all the defensive premeds who are slamming Steel city for his input-you'll be cursing yourself for not listening if you get there and realize its not for you. Similarly, when you interview for residency, don't let one rosy interview convince you that the atmosphere is great-talk to the residents!!! Your colleagues are your greatest resources, period! And they will be much more upfront with you than any one else in the administration.

I agree its the same amount of work in medical school, residency, etc... But most prefer to do the same amount of work within a pleasant environment.

 

[Lindyhopper]

. . . As far as anyone knows, this kid could be deadbeat waitlister who just wants to scare people away from the school so that he can get a spot. . .

This is an invalid argument. While this is an anonymous board, the OP has pointed out, that he has a long history of posts in Anesthesiology forum. It's ridiculous think that he has just been planting them waiting for his opportunity pose as an MSIII.

 

[scpod]

If you have not yet attended school at LECOM, perhaps you should STFU since you can't refute any of his claims.

Damn! Why can't some people just take their own advice?

 

[Ypo.]

Damn! Why can't some people just take their own advice?

I made no claims about LECOM. My advice was to value the firsthand experiences of people who attend the school, whether you find their advice or account of their experiences useful or not-your fellow students will be your best asset when deciding what school to attend, which residency program to apply to. Its a good habit to adopt, and one that would be to your advantage to start practicing.

Alternatively-you could just continue to be a little wiseass and shoot yourself in the foot by insulting your future colleagues when they share their experiences at their medical school or residency program. In fact, that would be fine, too. You'll probably end up right where you belong.

 

[FrogE7]

Environment and social atmosphere will play a huge role in your unhappiness or happiness while you attend school. That is really the lesson here. Some people will be happy as a clam in LECOM and others may be unhappy. The key is to first know yourself, and second-KNOW THE SCHOOL. That is where SDN comes in handy, and Steel city's posts (like them or not) and talking to other students. I'm laughing at all the defensive premeds who are slamming Steel city for his input-you'll be cursing yourself for not listening if you get there and realize its not for you. Similarly, when you interview for residency, don't let one rosy interview convince you that the atmosphere is great-talk to the residents!!! Your colleagues are your greatest resources, period! And they will be much more upfront with you than any one else in the administration.

I agree its the same amount of work in medical school, residency, etc... But most prefer to do the same amount of work within a pleasant environment.

You are absolutely correct in saying we should be willing to hear criticisms of the school, and in fact there are posters on this thread who *have* offered such criticism in a useful way.

That is not the problem people are having with the OP, and you seem to be missing the objection. He is claiming that every one should stay away from LECOM because of HIS awful experience. In addition his melodramatic posts lack clear arguments and concrete and useful information. There is also an average board pass rate that non of us had ever heard of! It would be helpful if the OP stated his sources, and tried to actually write a constructive criticism of the school, bearing in mind that people are different. Right now he is just childishly bashing it, and other SDNers have chosen to do the same.

Also, you are criticizing "premeds" who have never attended the school for defending it, but how do you feel about those premeds who are bashing the school and who have likewise never attended it?

 

[scpod]

My advice was to value the firsthand experiences of people who attend the school.

No, your advice was to "STFU", which is rude, condescending, and incredibly insensitive-- especially when YOU don't have any knowledge of the school either. The OP made his point in a very offensive way. When you make your point in that way, you are going to be slammed over and over again. That's life. There are many ways to make a point while simply being informative; this was not one of those.

Alternatively-you could just continue to be a little wiseass...

People who have nothing of validity to add to an argument, tend to resort to personal attacks. 'nuff said.

 

[Ypo.]

You are absolutely correct in saying we should be willing to hear criticisms of the school, and in fact there are posters on this thread who *have* offered such criticism in a useful way.

That is not the problem people are having with the OP, and you seem to be missing the objection. He is claiming that every one should stay away from LECOM because of HIS awful experience. In addition his melodramatic posts lack clear arguments and concrete and useful information. There is also an average board pass rate that non of us had ever heard of! It would be helpful if the OP stated his sources, and tried to actually write a constructive criticism of the school, bearing in mind that people are different. Right now he is just childishly bashing it, and other SDNers have chosen to do the same.

Also, you are criticizing "premeds" who have never attended the school for defending it, but how do you feel about those premeds who are bashing the school and who have likewise never attended it?

With all due respect, that IS the problem that some people have been having with SteelCity-they have a complete intolerance of criticism, or any views that paint this school in anything but a favorable light.

I agree that there have been other people making ignorant posts. I was clear that I disagree with school bashing-and anyone who has not attended the school or at least visited it and is making disparaging comments is probably school bashing. I think those people are pretty easy to pick out-and I also think that anyone with any capability of independant thought will not value those opinions highly as they don't have any weight or basis.

However, SteelCity does attend the school and obviously feels very strongly about deterring people from attending his school, and although he didn't give us his reasons from the first, he posted them on the first or second page of this thread. If I had a horrible experience at my school and knew that other students were being treated horribly, I'm sure I would also want to share this as a warning to other students-although I probably wouldn't post my thread "Do not go to LECOM"-I can't critisize him for his strong opinion because I have no idea what he has experienced to cause that opinion. It may be that his experience is unique to himself and is not shared by other students, but its still important and VALUABLE information. Be greatful that you have it.

I would encourage everyone to take note of what all the students who currently attend LECOM have to say about the school, and to please grow up and stop flaming people for their opinions because it somehow 'threatens' you. If you notice, the students who attend LECOM haven't been flaming SteelCity, they have only been posting their experiences to contribute to a broader view of the school.

I'm sure that SteelCity also would encourage you to talk to other students at LECOM. (in fact I think he mentioned it a few times).

Its immature to insult people simply because you do not agree with their opinion.

 

[anutka21]

Arguing about something which you have no direct knowledge of only makes you look foolish and insecure over your choice of school.

Wow I couldnt have said it any better. Im glad you understand it now , so that maybe next time you wouldnt make statements that contradict themselves 🙄

 

[Ypo.]

No, your advice was to "STFU", which is rude, condescending, and incredibly insensitive-- especially when YOU don't have any knowledge of the school either. The OP made his point in a very offensive way. When you make your point in that way, you are going to be slammed over and over again. That's life. There are many ways to make a point while simply being informative; this was not one of those.




People who have nothing of validity to add to an argument, tend to resort to personal attacks. 'nuff said.

And weren't you were the one who resorted to making fun of SteelCity's grammar? 🙄

I actually did apply and get invited for an interview to LECOM last year. But if you'll notice, I have not said anything pro or con attending LECOM-I believe thats a decision you make for yourself. Since I don't attend LECOM I have no useful information to offer about the internal workings of the school and volunteered no information other than what anyone could get from their website. My point was that we should be willing to value the experiences of our colleagues whether we find them useful on an individual basis or not. Because they will be a valuable asset, and you should treat them as such.

Regarding my 'insensitive' comments:I can only say that sometimes a strong word is needed to get the attention of a misbehaving child. I did not make that comment to you or to anyone personally. But the fact that you responded to it and took it personally means that something about it may have struck a chord in you. Perhaps you should listen to the music.

 

[Ypo.]

Wow I couldnt have said it any better. Im glad you understand it now , so that maybe next time you wouldnt make statements that contradict themselves 🙄

I'd like you to point out where I contradicted myself. 'I' did not make any comments regarding LECOM or whether not to attend the school, or whether or not it was a good school. In fact the only comment I made specifically regarding LECOM was that whether or not you are happy there will reflect more on your personal desires and personality than the school itself.

My comment was to value the advice of people who have 'been there' and 'done that', whether you agree with their opinions or not. If that is a contradiction, I'd like to learn how. 😉

 

[anutka21]

I'd like you to point out where I contradicted myself. 'I' did not make any comments regarding LECOM or whether not to attend the school, or whether or not it was a good school. In fact the only comment I made specifically regarding LECOM was that whether or not you are happy there will reflect more on your personal desires and personality than the school itself.

My comment was to value the advice of people who have 'been there' and 'done that', whether you agree with their opinions or not. If that is a contradiction, I'd like to learn how. 😉

You say that talking about school that you have no direct knowledge about makes you look stupid and insecure, while YOU yourself do not attend this particular school and so should not be making statements like that if you ask me. 😉

 

[scpod]

And weren't you were the one who resorted to making fun of SteelCity's grammar? 🙄

No, actually I'm the one who made fun of his entire post. Since I had nothing of value to add, I resorted to sarcasm.

Regarding my comments:I can only say that sometimes a strong word is needed to get the attention of a misbehaving child.

My God! If you feel the need to say "STFU" to a misbehaving child, I sure as heck hope that you aren't a parent. Perhaps, pediatrics is a poor choice for your specialty as well.

I did not make that comment to you or to anyone personally. But the fact that you responded to it...

No, you made it to everyone, but then you failed to take your own advice. I just felt an overwhelming urge to point that out. Right now, I feel the overwhelming urge to point out the absence of validity of other statements made on this thread such as, "its clear that SteelCity has genuine complaints and is sincerely doing what he thinks is best." I don't think that it's clear at all. Now I'm not pointing you out in particular, but you are the one that said that.

 

[Ypo.]

You say that talking about school that you have no direct knowledge about makes you look stupid and insecure, while YOU yourself do not attend this particular school and so should not be making statements like that if you ask me. 😉

I am in 100% agreement with you on this issue. Which is why (if you'll reread) I didn't make any comments about LECOM. I only said that those who don't attend there shouldn't bash those who students who do attend LECOM and who are offering to share their experiences with us on SDN. 👍

 

[anutka21]

Regarding my 'insensitive' comments:I can only say that sometimes a strong word is needed to get the attention of a misbehaving child. I did not make that comment to you or to anyone personally. But the fact that you responded to it and took it personally means that something about it may have struck a chord in you. Perhaps you should listen to the music.

I sincerely hope that you dont really use that kind of language to talk to your misbehaving kids. And trust me, I did not take it personally, its just I dont see the need to use strong words like that 😕 🙂

 

[anutka21]

I am in 100% agreement with you on this issue. Which is why (if you'll reread) I didn't make any comments about LECOM. I only said that those who don't attend there shouldn't bash those who students who do attend LECOM and who are offering to share their experiences with us on SDN. 👍

Well, there were people on this thread (current students as well) who made positive remarks about the school without sounding offensive and sometimes even paranoid, however you immediately take OP's side who ,with all due respect, sounds like he has his/her own agenda. ( We still love you Steel City, although it looks like Elvis has left the house 😍 )

 

[Ypo.]

No, actually I'm the one who made fun of his entire post. Since I had nothing of value to add, I resorted to sarcasm.

Thanks, I wasn't quite sure if you were being sarcastic or not. 🙄

My God! If you feel the need to say "STFU" to a misbehaving child, I sure as heck hope that you aren't a parent. Perhaps, pediatrics is a poor choice for your specialty as well.

You are good at dishing out sarcasm but you are slow to recognize it when it comes your way. Can you spell facetious? Of course I wouldn't say STFU to a little kid, but a premed acting disrespectfully or childishly when a medical student is trying to share their experiences with them, that is another story. I can understand if you did not like the title of this thread (I admit I didn't like it either), but I don't think its cool that people would slam someone who is giving us his view of the school after having attended it for three years.

No, you made it to everyone, but then you failed to take your own advice. I just felt an overwhelming urge to point that out. Right now, I feel the overwhelming urge to point out the absence of validity of other statements made on this thread such as, "its clear that SteelCity has genuine complaints and is sincerely doing what he thinks is best." I don't think that it's clear at all. Now I'm not pointing you out in particular, but you are the one that said that.

I didn't contradict myself-I said we should listen to the opinions of those who are attending LECOM. I didn't give an opinion about LECOM because I don't attend school there. That was my point, and my advice. I'm sure LECOM is a great school for most people who attend there, and that there are others who don't like it, just like at any school. But firsthand experiences are valuable whether they are pleasant to hear or not, and should be valued as such.

 

[Ypo.]

Well, there were people on this thread (current students as well) who made positive remarks about the school without sounding offensive and sometimes even paranoid, however you immediately take OP's side who ,with all due respect, sounds like he has his/her own agenda. ( We still love you Steel City, although it looks like Elvis has left the house 😍 )

Oh, honey. I didn't take anyone's side on whether or not LECOM is a good school.

Let me say it more clearly for you. Consider the words of the students who attend LECOM-(not just SteelCity's) and lets please be respectful when someone goes out of their way to share their opinions of the school that they attend. 🙂