Do not go to LECOM

[FutureSoxDoc]

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An institution's board pass rate is a direct representation of their structure and quality. A great institution will keep a close eye on things and will fix the problem before the COMLEX rolls around.

Do you realize that 1 out of ever 4 people fail their boards at LECOM. This is horrible.

Ok...I wasn't going to respond, but I really have had it with this and don't want students to not apply here because of the venom being spit. For background, I am an MSIII as well. And my advice? Don't go to med school, period. But if you really, really, decide that you should go, LECOM is fine. Sorry for the length- I just went through and debunked myths that I thought were false.

-76%??? Where are you getting this from? We had a lecture where a dean gave us the numbers every year of the pass rate. LECOM was higher than the average, and dipped recently. Class of 06 was around 88%, which was 1-2% lower than the national average. If you were at that lecture, you weren't listening, or think that dean is a liar. The differences in the pass rate between LDP and PBL can be accounted to a number of things, including the ability of the PBL director to hand pick strong applicants. I believe the "power of PBL" myth will be in for a rude awakening when BLECOM takes the boards in a few months.

-I agree that the Anatomy teacher you are referring to is a perv. You think this unique to our school?

-Talk to any other student about their "3rd year electives". They have no idea what you're talking about because they don't have them. So yes, sometimes it is harder to set up rotations, but be thankful that you have the freedom to leave- many other students can't do that.

-You said that you will "never be proud you went to LECOM". That is your opinion. I don't hide that I went there and am proud of it. Every school has students who hate it; I have encountered that with students from all over the country. Its just the nature of the beast.

-I do believe LECOM moniters email. Just don't use their email system to say bad things; its not that hard. Complaining about that is like saying 2nd year "wait, there is old omm tests?" We all know it- its your friends fault for daring lecom to call him/her out on it.

Any MS III or MS IV at LECOM totally despises this place Trust me here. I have no agenda.

I don't despise it. I don't miss it either. Rotations are much better than 1st and 2nd year, but that is far from unique to LECOM.

2. You DO NOT get to review your exams in the core curriculum(biochem...pharm...etc.) and throughout systems. How can you learn if you can't even review your exams? In rare circumstances, they will allow you to review an exam such as anatomy but after that forget it.

Not true. You do get to review them, usually within 3 days of the exam. You can take all the time you need. You just can't take them home.

5. They won't open the workout area during the day to prevent students from skipping class to work out.

I believe this was fixed.

9. LECOM grads despise the school so much they won't be eager to help you out. You would think the converse would happen but it doesn't.

I had a great resident who was a LECOM grad and he was very helpful; I'm sorry your experience wasn't the same.

Someone from lecom scored the highest in the nation on comlex a couple years ago!

This is true for the Class of 07 as well.

Regarding the dress code thing: Are khakis ok? Can you wear any kind of tie, like bow, or bolero, or ascot?

Yes and Yes. and girls can get away with basically anything for clothes.

Some people will be happy as a clam in LECOM and others may be unhappy.

Exactly.

and just for the record, the dress code alone has kept me from applying to that school

I find statements like this to be ridiculous. Oh NO, I have to wear a shirt and tie two years early!

I'm assuming at least some aspect of the administration will fall over into the Bradenton campus

True. Very true.

I have had several encounters with REAL, LIVE, MSIII/MSIV from LECOM and have not heard one single negative thing about the application process or their clinical education.

I love the Clinical Ed office. If you are nice to them, they will bend over backwards for you.

Serious question. I have this cough every year (starting late fall into early winter) where I constantly cough unless I have a cough drop in my mouth at all times. Is that considered food and could I get into trouble for popping one in? Thank.

If you aren't eating a value meal, you'll basically be fine- except for a certain Pharm teacher.

Yep, you heard me correctly, they spent tons of money to get statues of themselves created

These statues were never approved and do not exist.

You go to hospitals and get nothing, NO FOOD

Many hospitals provide free housing and free food. It depends where you go; the school gives you a detailed list before you choose rotations if they give housing or food. It is your fault if lunch is that big of a deal to you, and you didn't chose a hospital with free food. I know a large hospital in PGH that doesn't give free food to their other med students either.

And have you heard of their main affliliate, Millcreek Community? The worst hospital in the face of the earth. Not certified, the mortality rate is attrocious, the hospital has 25-30 pt's tops at it's highest census. A hospital with 30 patients? What type of variation in cases do you expect to see there?

I pretty much have to say this is right on.

I also was amazed to hear the lack of more help in setting up clinical rotations.

Help is there if you ask for it.

 

[therealdeal]

Just wanted to confirm that LECOM is not a friendly environment to learn in. The clinical education department is rude and will constantly barage you with threatening emails throughout your clinical experience. If something comes up and you need to switch a rotation, they won't even listen to your concerns. Both myself and many of my classmates have had the same negative experience. There was one really nice woman in the Clinical ed. department that treated us respectfully and decently, however, she just quit a few weeks ago.

It is unfortunate that there is so much negativity going on at this institution.

 

[JO300]

I'd be ironic if you died in a fire at LECOM because the doors wouldn't open and NO ONE HAD ANY BOTTLES OF WATER TO THROW ON YOUR BURNING BODY!!

I interviewed at LECOM but went to a more people friendly school. I could not handle the restrictions of no drinks or snacks (like junior high) but also the austere anemic look of the building. It is so ridiculous that they prohibit even bottles of water. At all teaching hospitals they have noon lectures once per week where everyone brings a brown bag lunch and listens to the presentations. I mean jeez, med students are adults, they aren't going to ruin the building. The prohibition of drinks plus the dress code... Makes one think someone has severve OCD. I also was amazed to hear the lack of more help in setting up clinical rotations. I agree with the above poster to only go to LECOM if it's your only acceptance. Maybe some administrators from the school will see these posts and make a change to at least benefit the future students.

I hope so

 

[medschl hpeful]

The guy is obviously on the waitlist and wants other people not to go so he can get a spot.

How do I know?

Because I was not above resorting to similar tactics last year when I was on several waitlists.

Good Luck dude. I hope enough people fall for it.

AH... that is so funny, desperate times call for desperate measures. I am still chuckeling. I love to hear what everyone else is just thinking.

 

[theraball]

Ok...I wasn't going to respond, but I really have had it with this and don't want students to not apply here because of the venom being spit. For background, I am an MSIII as well. And my advice? Don't go to med school, period. But if you really, really, decide that you should go, LECOM is fine....

FutureSoxDoc, thank you for your "debunking" post. My head is swimming from all of this talk about LECOM. I think the one thing missing from a student's bitter critique of his/her medical school is perspective; yes, he's there in the trenches experiencing it, but he's never matriculated through any other medical school and from what I hear, it's not that different from school to school. Medicine is medicine; anatomy is anatomy.

For that matter, every university and college has its warts; welcome to the real world. I've attended several and I have yet to find a perfect one. I hope that the students who are complaining bitterly about their medical schools get over it because hospitals are not exactly gardens of roses either. Human institutions just are that way.

As for dress code... wore a tie for years. You get used to it. When in Rome.... And, as you point out, it's only for 2 years, then you're in scrubs or whatever dress requirements of the hospital you're at, I assume.

I do worry about the no-food-and-drink thing, though. I like staying hydrated and I carry a water bottle into lecture. Can it be that they forbid this in their lecture halls? I can understand no food in the library and lab and so forth but this seems a wee bit extreme. Perhaps all that polluted Erie water has addled their brains.

 

[EastCoaster78]

I think the one thing missing from a student's bitter critique of his/her medical school is perspective; yes, he's there in the trenches experiencing it, but he's never matriculated through any other medical school and from what I hear, it's not that different from school to school. Medicine is medicine; anatomy is anatomy.

Yeah, but you never see these kind of outbursts from students at any other school. Let alone multiple students that come out of the woodwork to talk smack on their school. I mean even the guy that was trying to debunk arguments against the school basically was saying "yeah i basically agree but you dont have to let it get to you"

I feel that as US medical schools osteopathic schools should be held to some standards, and if they are already its pretty evident as in LECOMs and a few others cases that these standards are quite low.

Since I have been a first year student at PCOM I have realized this:
The differances in DO schools do not lie in admissions statistics.

They lie in the schools commitment to YOUR education.

 

[hooperg]

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Yeah, but you never see these kind of outbursts from students at any other school. Let alone multiple students that come out of the woodwork to talk smack on their school. I mean even the guy that was trying to debunk arguments against the school basically was saying "yeah i basically agree but you dont have to let it get to you"

I feel that as US medical schools osteopathic schools should be held to some standards, and if they are already its pretty evident as in LECOMs and a few others cases that these standards are quite low.

Since I have been a first year student at PCOM I have realized this:
The differances in DO schools do not lie in admissions statistics.

They lie in the schools commitment to YOUR education.

I agree.

Just a week ago, I met a general surgeon who attended LECOM-Erie and spoke wonders of it. He was extremely upbeat, and has a sterling reputation within the community. This leads me to believe that a medical education is 80% personal attitude and 20% external factors. If you have the will and the desire, then you will succeed under essentially any circumstances. 👍

 

[drjds]

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I agree.

Just a week ago, I met a general surgeon who attended LECOM-Erie and spoke wonders of it. He was extremely upbeat, and has a sterling reputation within the community. This leads me to believe that a medical education is 80% personal attitude and 20% external factors. If you have the will and the desire, then you will succeed under essentially any circumstances. 👍

Which community are you talking about?

 

[hooperg]

Which community are you talking about?

Central PA. Among other physicians and his patients.

 

[Steel_City]

Just reiterating that after hearing multiple perspectives on this thread, I still have the same advice for you guys...and you know what it is 🙂 . Although I represent just one opinion, I think you have seen that many posts on this thread acknowledge what I've stated and fall into a certain catagory....and it's not the "happy" one.

Kudos to my classmates who have swallowed this and have learned to tolerate a not-so-friendly environment. I wish I could do the same, but I continue to encounter unpleasantness when I deal with this institution.

Remember premeds, you'll have to live with this decision for a long time so make sure you make one you'll be happy with.

 

[sort_timer]

background info: I'm in LECOM erie, MSIV, LDP. I enoyed my first 2 years at LECOM, as much as, someone can enjoy their first 2 years of medical school. During that time there was plenty of, and there will always be plenty of stuff to complain about, if you had the time to. The bottom line is that you have to study, and study, and study. That is your job. There was a lot of people that didn't put the time in the books, and instead put the time in the bars. Then they wondered why they failed the boards. I busted my ass in school.

My class didn't have a kaplan board review class, but I seemed to manage to scored a 585. I don't consider myself a super star genius either. There where times that the person lecturing to me in class was not the best, so I got up and tought myself. I did my rotations in pittsburgh and my electives all over. Some of my rotations where good and some where bad, but all where educational. I have run into several LECOM grads and all where helpful.

I educated myself about the match. It would have been nice to have a class on it, but when you consider what is at stake, I was glad that I learned on my own. Iserson's getting into your residency is an excellent book to help you with the match and in my opinion it's all you need. I read the book in a day.

But I guess the proff is in where I matched. Because everything is all about this "finish line". In june I will be starting at a large university based hospital in Emergency Medicine. The starting pay is 42,000. It is a level one trauma center. etc. etc.

Dear Steel City,
With all due respect. I know I havn't walked in your shoes, but I have gone through medical school. And my experience is not yours. It's really easy to point the blame about your situation and circumstances towards others. But in the end, it will never help you. It will not get you a passing board score, it will not get you a good educational experience during your rotations, and it will not get you a good residency. If you are open to advice, then take this. Stop wasteing your time on these forums and start studying. Good luck and if you feel that people aren't giving it to you...make your own. 🙂

Dear Premeds,
medical school is hard. you have to bust your ass. if you didn't have to....there would be a whole lot of docs in the world. you will find that it isn't like college...you have to do a lot of the work yourself. good luck. 🙂

 

[JO300]

background info: I'm in LECOM erie, MSIV, LDP. I enoyed my first 2 years at LECOM, as much as, someone can enjoy their first 2 years of medical school. During that time there was plenty of, and there will always be plenty of stuff to complain about, if you had the time to. The bottom line is that you have to study, and study, and study. That is your job. There was a lot of people that didn't put the time in the books, and instead put the time in the bars. Then they wondered why they failed the boards. I busted my ass in school.

My class didn't have a kaplan board review class, but I seemed to manage to scored a 585. I don't consider myself a super star genius either. There where times that the person lecturing to me in class was not the best, so I got up and tought myself. I did my rotations in pittsburgh and my electives all over. Some of my rotations where good and some where bad, but all where educational. I have run into several LECOM grads and all where helpful.

I educated myself about the match. It would have been nice to have a class on it, but when you consider what is at stake, I was glad that I learned on my own. Iserson's getting into your residency is an excellent book to help you with the match and in my opinion it's all you need. I read the book in a day.

But I guess the proff is in where I matched. Because everything is all about this "finish line". In june I will be starting at a large university based hospital in Emergency Medicine. The starting pay is 42,000. It is a level one trauma center. etc. etc.

Dear Steel City,
With all due respect. I know I havn't walked in your shoes, but I have gone through medical school. And my experience is not yours. It's really easy to point the blame about your situation and circumstances towards others. But in the end, it will never help you. It will not get you a passing board score, it will not get you a good educational experience during your rotations, and it will not get you a good residency. If you are open to advice, then take this. Stop wasteing your time on these forums and start studying. Good luck and if you feel that people aren't giving it to you...make your own. 🙂

Dear Premeds,
medical school is hard. you have to bust your ass. if you didn't have to....there would be a whole lot of docs in the world. you will find that it isn't like college...you have to do a lot of the work yourself. good luck. 🙂

You are 100% right.
But did not you think that LECOM should change there bahevior toward their applicants and their med students?
As far my experiance with LECOM and all threads I read they do not help neither their applicants nor their med students.
I believe that they will never change until people like Steel City speak up.
I know med school is hard but we have the right to expect a lot of help form our schools because we are paying a lot of maney.

 

[Jamers]

You are 100% right.
But did not you think that LECOM should change there bahevior toward their applicants and their med students?
As far my experiance with LECOM and all threads I read they do not help neither their applicants nor their med students.
I believe that they will never change until people like Steel City speak up.
I know med school is hard but we have the right to expect a lot of help form our schools because we are paying a lot of maney.

I don't know, maybe I live in a different world but, I do not believe LECOM is going to give two ****s about what is said on here. The only way they are ever going to change is if people stop giving them money; i.e., no one goes there. But, people like steel_city, although bitching their brains out on here, still attend LECOM and give them that nice pay check. The only way to destroy an organization is through money, not bitching.

 

[dtn3t]

8. Faculty turn-over is outrageous. People come and then they go. The most recent was a great clinical ed. lady named Cinda Roberts. Just found out she was quitting two weeks ago. She was a highlight of the school.

Highlight of the school?!? Geez, things really have changed! What have you been smoking? The highlight of the school is Ben, the IT guy. He always let me sign the attendence sheets a week late. I realize this is going to bring up the attendence policy, but as you can see, I never went to class any way.

I love threads that bash LECOM. But for the record, LECOM was generally good for me, despite a couple of headaches. It got me where I wanted to go. Bash on, hope it's therapeutic.

LECOM '05.

 

[JohnnyOU]

Highlight of the school?!? Geez, things really have changed! What have you been smoking? The highlight of the school is Ben, the IT guy. He always let me sign the attendence sheets a week late. I realize this is going to bring up the attendence policy, but as you can see, I never went to class any way.
LECOM '05.

It'd be funny if Ben gets fired because of your post

 

[Mastino]

well what happens to graduates of a medical school or students currently attending a medical school that has gone out of business. Do the graduates loose their license and are the current medical students out of money and just out of luck. I mean you guys that are bashing the school that you attend should think about this stuff and how it could negatively affect you and your future as a physician. I heard of an instance when a law school went out of business lost their accreditation and the students who attended that school lost their license and could not practice law and had huge debt. So come on people stop bi***** about your school be greatful you're in medical school and going to be docs. You could end up fu***** yourselves over by bashing your school.

 

[Duchess]

background info: I'm in LECOM erie, MSIV, LDP. I enoyed my first 2 years at LECOM, as much as, someone can enjoy their first 2 years of medical school. During that time there was plenty of, and there will always be plenty of stuff to complain about, if you had the time to. The bottom line is that you have to study, and study, and study. That is your job. There was a lot of people that didn't put the time in the books, and instead put the time in the bars. Then they wondered why they failed the boards. I busted my ass in school.

My class didn't have a kaplan board review class, but I seemed to manage to scored a 585. I don't consider myself a super star genius either. There where times that the person lecturing to me in class was not the best, so I got up and tought myself. I did my rotations in pittsburgh and my electives all over. Some of my rotations where good and some where bad, but all where educational. I have run into several LECOM grads and all where helpful.

I educated myself about the match. It would have been nice to have a class on it, but when you consider what is at stake, I was glad that I learned on my own. Iserson's getting into your residency is an excellent book to help you with the match and in my opinion it's all you need. I read the book in a day.

But I guess the proff is in where I matched. Because everything is all about this "finish line". In june I will be starting at a large university based hospital in Emergency Medicine. The starting pay is 42,000. It is a level one trauma center. etc. etc.

Dear Steel City,
With all due respect. I know I havn't walked in your shoes, but I have gone through medical school. And my experience is not yours. It's really easy to point the blame about your situation and circumstances towards others. But in the end, it will never help you. It will not get you a passing board score, it will not get you a good educational experience during your rotations, and it will not get you a good residency. If you are open to advice, then take this. Stop wasteing your time on these forums and start studying. Good luck and if you feel that people aren't giving it to you...make your own. 🙂

Dear Premeds,
medical school is hard. you have to bust your ass. if you didn't have to....there would be a whole lot of docs in the world. you will find that it isn't like college...you have to do a lot of the work yourself. good luck. 🙂

Sort_Timer,

Congratulations on your residency! Emergency medicine is one of the areas of medicine that I am considering as well. Thanks for the info on Iserson's Getting Into Your Residency. If you say that the book is that good, then it's definately worth checking out.

 

[Donvb]

Remember premeds, you'll have to live with this decision for a long time so make sure you make one you'll be happy with.

Four years 😱

 

[surfgirl]

Lecom MSIV, had a great medical school experience, it's what you put into it not what is handed to you this also applies to life so I feel sorry for all of you that have regrets, sad. I also matched to an EM residency program! Thank you LECOM!

 

[Ypo.]

🙄 This may be one of the most popular pre-DO threads. Look at the number of hits! Everybody loves drama.

 

[Jamers]

🙄 This may be one of the most popular pre-DO threads. Look at the number of hits! Everybody loves drama.

Really makes you wonder why it is even allowed to continue. If we were getting one opinion as steel_city would love, I could see a point. However, you are getting a mixed viewpoint which leads one to assume that LECOM, much to the dismay of steel_city, is just like every other medical school. I don't know what is worse, the fact that we have threads warning us not to start MD V.S. D.O. but anyone can start one of these and bash any school they want and claim that they have "no agenda" or the fact that people will actually buy into this ****. People have actually admitted, in this very thread, that they started similar ones to scare people away from going to a school so that they themselves could gain acceptance. Instead of closing it, however, the thread remains open. For what reason, however? So that we can receive a mixed opinion about a school? I have an easier way to get a great opinion about a school: go to the ****ing school and see for yourself. But, hey, we like easy things so, read about the mixed opinion on here and decide which person, who you have never met before, you believe more. Things like this really make me wonder why I signed up to SDN or even continue to write on it. While my original goal was to help others like me and to gain some perspective into what awaited me in my future, now I am only sickened by threads like this that continue to gain posters.

 

[JO300]

Really makes you wonder why it is even allowed to continue. If we were getting one opinion as steel_city would love, I could see a point. However, you are getting a mixed viewpoint which leads one to assume that LECOM, much to the dismay of steel_city, is just like every other medical school. I don't know what is worse, the fact that we have threads warning us not to start MD V.S. D.O. but anyone can start one of these and bash any school they want and claim that they have "no agenda" or the fact that people will actually buy into this ****. People have actually admitted, in this very thread, that they started similar ones to scare people away from going to a school so that they themselves could gain acceptance. Instead of closing it, however, the thread remains open. For what reason, however? So that we can receive a mixed opinion about a school? I have an easier way to get a great opinion about a school: go to the ****ing school and see for yourself. But, hey, we like easy things so, read about the mixed opinion on here and decide which person, who you have never met before, you believe more. Things like this really make me wonder why I signed up to SDN or even continue to write on it. While my original goal was to help others like me and to gain some perspective into what awaited me in my future, now I am only sickened by threads like this that continue to gain posters.

So you should stop reading and posting in this thread, if it makes you sick. 🙄

 

[Ypo.]

Gotta love free speech.

 

[OnMyWayThere]

Really makes you wonder why it is even allowed to continue. If we were getting one opinion as steel_city would love, I could see a point. However, you are getting a mixed viewpoint which leads one to assume that LECOM, much to the dismay of steel_city, is just like every other medical school. I don't know what is worse, the fact that we have threads warning us not to start MD V.S. D.O. but anyone can start one of these and bash any school they want and claim that they have "no agenda" or the fact that people will actually buy into this ****. People have actually admitted, in this very thread, that they started similar ones to scare people away from going to a school so that they themselves could gain acceptance. Instead of closing it, however, the thread remains open. For what reason, however? So that we can receive a mixed opinion about a school? I have an easier way to get a great opinion about a school: go to the ****ing school and see for yourself. But, hey, we like easy things so, read about the mixed opinion on here and decide which person, who you have never met before, you believe more. Things like this really make me wonder why I signed up to SDN or even continue to write on it. While my original goal was to help others like me and to gain some perspective into what awaited me in my future, now I am only sickened by threads like this that continue to gain posters.

This is a public forum and everybody should keep this in mind when reading posts. There is no definite way to tell if the OP is a student or not. This is a forum for people to share their ideas. They can say all the good things, all the bad things or a combination of both about their school. SDN is here to provide that venue for students to give and get advice, and this is one type of advice. He advises to stay away from his school. It is up to you to skip it, read it, take it seriously, assume there is a hidden motive behind the post, etc.

 

[therealdeal]

I contemplated starting another thread about this issue, but I decided that this was the appropriate threat to post this information. There have been a lot of mixed opionions stated throughout this thread and I wanted to introduce you to what I feel is something very unfortunate about this instituition. The President and dean are siblings of a family who owns and runs LECOM. They have spent millions of our tuition to build statues of themselves, which will apparently be placed throughout the school. They created statues of themselves holding the hand of Hippocrates and other god/goddess-type figures. I have attached the link to the website where you can go see and read about this. It would be worth your time (at least for amusement value) to visit this site and look at these images. This is a great representation of what LECOM is all about. It literally makes me want to vomit!

Go to this address: http://www.ajuel.com/left Lecom frame.htm

Click on the link the the "LECOM Collection" and you'll be able to see the statues that these people are creating of themselves with our money.

 

[Steel_City]

Lecom MSIV, had a great medical school experience, it's what you put into it not what is handed to you this also applies to life so I feel sorry for all of you that have regrets, sad. I also matched to an EM residency program! Thank you LECOM!

Apparently LECOM never taught you how to NOT speak in run-on sentences. In any case, congrats. on your match. Did you match into an MD or DO EM program?

Or should I ask, did you make the $200,000.00 mistake? However, I guess that only applies if you don't want to practice in the 5 internship-requiring states.

 

[Donvb]

The President and dean are siblings of a family who owns and runs LECOM. They have spent millions of our tuition to build statues of themselves, which will apparently be placed throughout the school. They created statues of themselves holding the hand of Hippocrates and other god/goddess-type figures. I have attached the link to the website where you can go see and read about this. It would be worth your time (at least for amusement value) to visit this site and look at these images. This is a great representation of what LECOM is all about. It literally makes me want to vomit!


you'll be able to see the statues that these people are creating of themselves with our money.

You're right, they are amazing! Have you not noticed in life (i'm assuming you've endured at least a portion of one?), that many beaurocracies, companies, Universities, etc. use aesthetically pleasing, often times historical, art to increase reputation and success? For example,

My University has a statue of the founder outside the library, positioned on a stone, reading a book... It is about 15 feet tall, how atrocious!!!! 😱 Or... An amazing piece of art celebrating the history behind the University and the man that created it??

I see your point of view though... Our society wastes money on all sorts of "eye candy." But before you die agonizing over the worldly stresses, realize this is how it is and move on 👍

Happy Patty day Oh, and when you pick up that six pack of green beer, you may just find a picture of the creator on the box! 😱 What a pompous, jerk!

 

[Steel_City]

You're right, they are amazing! Have you not noticed in life (i'm assuming you've endured at least a portion of one?), that many beaurocracies, companies, Universities, etc. use aesthetically pleasing, often times historical, art to increase reputation and success? For example,

My University has a statue of the founder outside the library, positioned on a stone, reading a book... It is about 15 feet tall, how atrocious!!!! 😱 Or... An amazing piece of art celebrating the history behind the University and the man that created it??

I see your point of view though... Our society wastes money on all sorts of "eye candy." But before you die agonizing over the worldly stresses, realize this is how it is and move on 👍

Happy Patty day Oh, and when you pick up that six pack of green beer, you may just find a picture of the creator on the box! 😱 What a pompous, jerk!

Dude, no one has a problem with the bronze, but what kind of person has statues made of THEMSELF? Franklyi, I think it's really humiliating and makes me laugh histarically.

 

[dtn3t]

Dude, no one has a problem with the bronze, but what kind of person has statues made of THEMSELF? Franklyi, I think it's really humiliating and makes me laugh histarically.

The idea and design for the statues has been around since 2001. If they are not up yet, I doubt they will be.

 

[Jamers]

Apparently LECOM never taught you how to NOT speak in run-on sentences. In any case, congrats. on your match. Did you match into an MD or DO EM program?

Or should I ask, did you make the $200,000.00 mistake? However, I guess that only applies if you don't want to practice in the 5 internship-requiring states.

Personal attacks must be the new method of intelligent arguments...


keep it open baby, keep it open

 

[Nate]

I agree that this thread has reached the point of personal tit for tat, please remember that personal attacks are not tolerated on SDN. If you cannot post an opinion without attacking another poster then please don't post.

I would also like to remind everyone here that the moderators try to read everything but sometimes things slip by, if something doesn't seem right to you please report the post or send me a PM. Thank you

 

[scpod]

Dude, no one has a problem with the bronze, but what kind of person has statues made of THEMSELF? Franklyi, I think it's really humiliating and makes me laugh histarically.

There are rooms in my house that I haven't even been in in 6 months, but I might visit them more often if I had a statue of myself there. I was thinking one of me in a jockeys uniform, carrying a lamp...

Just remember that there really are no statues there. If you are walking down the hall and see one, you are dreaming. If one of them speaks your name or asks you to do something for them, run...run like the wind.

 

[toothless rufus]

It is the night. My body's weak.
I've got an OMM exam. No time to sleep.
I've got to ride.

Ride like the wind to be free again.
And I got such a long way to go.
To make it through LECOM's program to become D.O.
So I'll ride like the wind.

I was born the son of an Medicine man.
Always spoke my mind with a stethoscope in my hand.
Lived nine lives
malpracticed down ten.
Gonna ride like the wind.

And I got such a long way to go.
To make it through LECOM's program to become D.O
So I'll ride like the wind.
Ride like the wind.
Ride like the wind.

Accused and tried and told to hang
I was no where in sight
when the LDP bells rang.
Never was the kind to do as I was told.
Gonna ride like the wind before I get old.

It is the night. My body's weak.
I've got to study for boards. No time to sleep.
I've got to ride.
Ride like the wind to be free again.

And I got such a long way to go.
To make it through LECOM's program to become D.O.
So I'll ride like the wind.
Ride like the wind.

And I got such a long way to go.
To make it through LECOM's program to become D.O.
So I'll ride like the wind.
Gonna run like the wind.

 

[jjsmalls]

I contemplated starting another thread about this issue, but I decided that this was the appropriate threat to post this information. There have been a lot of mixed opionions stated throughout this thread and I wanted to introduce you to what I feel is something very unfortunate about this instituition. The President and dean are siblings of a family who owns and runs LECOM. They have spent millions of our tuition to build statues of themselves, which will apparently be placed throughout the school. They created statues of themselves holding the hand of Hippocrates and other god/goddess-type figures. I have attached the link to the website where you can go see and read about this. It would be worth your time (at least for amusement value) to visit this site and look at these images. This is a great representation of what LECOM is all about. It literally makes me want to vomit!

Go to this address: http://www.ajuel.com/left Lecom frame.htm

Click on the link the the "LECOM Collection" and you'll be able to see the statues that these people are creating of themselves with our money.

Couple things about this one...i believed it myself when i read it for the first time about three or four years ago. your "hard-copy" style investigative-reporting isn't so ground breaking, as this post has been repeated time and time again.

Let's try to straighten things up so people stop posting this same thread over and over again, thinking they have uncovered some shocking evidence.

First, private institutions are just that. Owned by one person (or in this case, two). The brother-sister combo might be shocking if it were a state-run school, but its a private institution. While on that subject, LECOM still has the lowest tuition of all private DO schools.

They did indeed contract for statues to be designed for the atrium of the school when the new addition was completed a few years ago. However, it was the sculptors decision to design Dr. Silvia and Dr. John into the artwork, as a compliment. Just as many businesses try to "woo" customers with receptions, gifts, etc., this sculptor was no fool. There was never an intention to actually include them into the finished product.

As far the statues themselves, they were never completed. I am in the building each day...they are not. And as for them spending "millions" on them, come on. They could be plastered with diamonds and not cost "millions."

The statue thing is so old...find something else to talk about please.

 

[CatsandCradles]

I've never been to Erie, but I have been to LECOM-Bradenton. I loved Bradenton. It did more for me than Dick Cheney's trigger finger did for the anti-gun lobby.

Oh my G*d I'm sorry I saw that and I laughed out loud.

You know what this post reminds me of? It reminds me of the "Don't go to Duke family med" over in the residency section of SDN.

Someone was really upset and just kept attacking Duke left and right overthere.

To steel city, I'm terribly sorry about your experiences at Lake Erie. I was interviewed their and I thought the place was pleasant. They were very nice to me - but the interview was very rough - this was around the time they picked John Roberts for the Supreme Court and that is what the people interviewing me got off as. They were stone hard justices.

But I talked with several of the students at Lake Erie and they were really into the school. So I don't discount your statements, but at the same time I feel that it is not a majority opinion.

Just to use a quote from Otto von Bismark as he adressed German troops in 1870: "Russia isn't as strong as it appears. But it isn't as weak as it appears either"

So taking that quote I will say this. "Lake Erie isn't as good as it apears. But it isn't as bad as it appears either"

 

[Jamers]

Couple things about this one...i believed it myself when i read it for the first time about three or four years ago. your "hard-copy" style investigative-reporting isn't so ground breaking, as this post has been repeated time and time again.

Let's try to straighten things up so people stop posting this same thread over and over again, thinking they have uncovered some shocking evidence.

First, private institutions are just that. Owned by one person (or in this case, two). The brother-sister combo might be shocking if it were a state-run school, but its a private institution. While on that subject, LECOM still has the lowest tuition of all private DO schools.

They did indeed contract for statues to be designed for the atrium of the school when the new addition was completed a few years ago. However, it was the sculptors decision to design Dr. Silvia and Dr. John into the artwork, as a compliment. Just as many businesses try to "woo" customers with receptions, gifts, etc., this sculptor was no fool. There was never an intention to actually include them into the finished product.

As far the statues themselves, they were never completed. I am in the building each day...they are not. And as for them spending "millions" on them, come on. They could be plastered with diamonds and not cost "millions."

The statue thing is so old...find something else to talk about please.

Didn't steel_city say he walked by these status many times? I wonder who is right 🙄 ?

 

[husky]

I am a 2nd year pediatrics resident and LECOM grad. I do not agree with all of what Steel City is saying...take his complaints with a grain of salt. I got a Very good education at LECOM. I am now at a top Allopathic Pediatric Childrens Hospital and my medical knowledge from LECOM is far superior to many residents from top allopathic schools.

Just realize, like at any medical school...there are issues. You know getting accepted to the school that there is a dress code and attendence requirement. Dont go there if you are going to complain about it for 2 years...it is not going away. Most medical schools will not let you take exams back as they get passed then from class to class. Our year however we were allowed to look at the exams at the school, just not take copies. Also, there were students in our class that transfered from one reason or another. I dont think any school encourages you to transfer...as they invested time and a set in you.

Please realize for some reason Steel City is a bit jaded and his views very tainted. He does not speak for all students and Alumni when he states we all hate LECOM. Lastly, i know that i am willing to help out any fellow student or alumni in furthering their career.

Listen, I'll leave you with ten reasons (in no particular order) I despise LECOM. Take it or leave it. My roommate is an MS IV from LECOM and he had not received ANY direction from them in the match. NONE. I have no agenda here...notice that the one chick is starting to notice as an MS III that LECOM clinical ed is not giving her any direction...just wait. This will only get worse for her. Anyways...here they are. It is a quite daunting task to think of all the reasons why LECOM is such a crappy place to study medicine.

1. There are camaras everywhere in the school and they watch you while you study in the breakout rooms. If you have a drink of water in there or a pack of gum, the security will yell at you.

2. You DO NOT get to review your exams in the core curriculum(biochem...pharm...etc.) and throughout systems. How can you learn if you can't even review your exams? In rare circumstances, they will allow you to review an exam such as anatomy but after that forget it.

3. The clinical ed. Dr. Agostini is disliked by students and is in charge of all your rotations. You just won't like him. There is nothing to like about the man. So what you say? Well, he also rubs the physicians who take us on the wrong way and institutions are starting to cancel LECOM rotations because of this.

4. The school monitors your email. If you say something negative about them you will be called into Dr. Ferretti's office for scolding. This is bull****.

5. They won't open the workout area during the day to prevent students from skipping class to work out.

6. If you try to transfer, they will ruin your life. I had a friend who wanted out as an MS II. He hated it and wanted to go to PCOM. The dean called him in and just screamed at him saying his career was over. Trust me...they don't **** around there.

7. Once your two years are up...you're history. LECOM does nothing to help you out. Although you pay full tuition as a third-year, they do nothing to advise you or follow up with your education.

8. Faculty turn-over is outrageous. People come and then they go. The most recent was a great clinical ed. lady named Cinda Roberts. Just found out she was quitting two weeks ago. She was a highlight of the school.

9. LECOM grads despise the school so much they won't be eager to help you out. You would think the converse would happen but it doesn't.

10. During your most imprortant year, your fourth year, LECOM doesn NOTHING to help you prepare for the match. This is very imprortant and they could just care less.

One more...LECOM created this new Bradenton branch campus for more cash. It's a money-making machine. They send people to Florida to learn from PBL so they can save cash on professors and then these people come back for boards. Hospitals are not pleased about this and hate this fact. This will ultimately be bad for osteopathic medicine in general.

So, there you go. If anyone disagrees or knows otherwise about these things, please let me know. You will ultimately have to live with your decision on where you do your medical schooling. LECOM will be a black spot on your resume forever.

Peace out. Good luck with med school guys. Don't be pissed at me for being honest. Other LECOMers don't want the school to go under so they will tell you otherwise. Personally, I don't care.

 

[kimdd]

Husky,
glad to hear you are doing well. But I must admit that there are many, many problems with LECOM.

1) LECOM has a policy where they don't pay a dime to any of our affiliate hospitals. I believe this is very very uncommon. Now where does that money go in years 3-4? What are we paying for? A few affliations have dropped us citing this policy and a main hospital in erie is cutting back on the number of lecom students they take. Can you blame them? Lecom wants to keep it all themselves.
2)Lecom gives their MS4 the least time off before internship of any school in the country. 2 weeks off before you start one of the toughest times in your life is just plain cruel.
3) our clinical education director is arrogant. He is uncompromising and is just horrible with the students. He talks down to them. IN speaking to doctors on my rotations at affiliate hospitals, this guy is not a very liked man.
4) honestly who at lecom ever got a real answer about the match list and board pass rate when interviewing? Anybody? And do they ever make these lists public to us when we are students there?
5) allopathic and osteopathic collegues were flabergasted to hear that we were never given a mentor/guidance counsler who was a clinical physician to help give us guidance about what programs to interview at or what to look for. I know that i am an adult, but come on. ii did hear some people screwed up their rank lists last year because of misinformation and paid for it dearly.
6) They give zero guidance when it comes to the USMLE or allopathic eras. Why? Was told by someone at lecom, that the school gets paid for every student that matches at osteopathic residency spots. And also, affiliations have to pay lecom for students doing their selective rotations there. Is that why Dr. A wouldn't let me go home when someone in my family was gravely ill? I know this money thing keeps on popping up.

I have no axe to grind, I am a 4th year who matched at a very competitive allopathic residency position. Just happy that I will never have to see these people ever again and that they will not be recieving one more dime from me.
LECOM is a very student unfriendly school. No bones about it.

I am a 2nd year pediatrics resident and LECOM grad. I do not agree with all of what Steel City is saying...take his complaints with a grain of salt. I got a Very good education at LECOM. I am now at a top Allopathic Pediatric Childrens Hospital and my medical knowledge from LECOM is far superior to many residents from top allopathic schools.

Just realize, like at any medical school...there are issues. You know getting accepted to the school that there is a dress code and attendence requirement. Dont go there if you are going to complain about it for 2 years...it is not going away. Most medical schools will not let you take exams back as they get passed then from class to class. Our year however we were allowed to look at the exams at the school, just not take copies. Also, there were students in our class that transfered from one reason or another. I dont think any school encourages you to transfer...as they invested time and a set in you.

Please realize for some reason Steel City is a bit jaded and his views very tainted. He does not speak for all students and Alumni when he states we all hate LECOM. Lastly, i know that i am willing to help out any fellow student or alumni in furthering their career.

 

[Sundarban1]

Really makes you wonder why it is even allowed to continue.

Because it clearly says in the SDN TOS that it is fine and dandy to attack a school, but attack a fellow SDNer, not gonna happen. Both have happened in this thread. Again, if something like this popped up in the allopathic forum it would have been shut down immediately. A pity the mod (s) are letting this go on.

 

[drjds]

Husky,
glad to hear you are doing well. But I must admit that there are many, many problems with LECOM.

1) LECOM has a policy where they don't pay a dime to any of our affiliate hospitals. I believe this is very very uncommon. Now where does that money go in years 3-4? What are we paying for? A few affliations have dropped us citing this policy and a main hospital in erie is cutting back on the number of lecom students they take. Can you blame them? Lecom wants to keep it all themselves.
2)Lecom gives their MS4 the least time off before internship of any school in the country. 2 weeks off before you start one of the toughest times in your life is just plain cruel.
3) our clinical education director is arrogant. He is uncompromising and is just horrible with the students. He talks down to them. IN speaking to doctors on my rotations at affiliate hospitals, this guy is not a very liked man.
4) honestly who at lecom ever got a real answer about the match list and board pass rate when interviewing? Anybody? And do they ever make these lists public to us when we are students there?
5) allopathic and osteopathic collegues were flabergasted to hear that we were never given a mentor/guidance counsler who was a clinical physician to help give us guidance about what programs to interview at or what to look for. I know that i am an adult, but come on. ii did hear some people screwed up their rank lists last year because of misinformation and paid for it dearly.
6) They give zero guidance when it comes to the USMLE or allopathic eras. Why? Was told by someone at lecom, that the school gets paid for every student that matches at osteopathic residency spots. And also, affiliations have to pay lecom for students doing their selective rotations there. Is that why Dr. A wouldn't let me go home when someone in my family was gravely ill? I know this money thing keeps on popping up.

I have no axe to grind, I am a 4th year who matched at a very competitive allopathic residency position. Just happy that I will never have to see these people ever again and that they will not be recieving one more dime from me.
LECOM is a very student unfriendly school. No bones about it.

Well, since LECOM does not like publicizing their match lists, what are some good questions to asks the interviewers at LECOM?

 

[kimdd]

What percentage pass the boards the FIRST TIME. Do they not allow people to sit for the exam if they don't think they can pass it. Why don't they list their match list and pass rate. Of course these questions might be seen as putting pressure on a program, but hey this is where you are going to be spending a lot of money and the next 2-4 years of your life. These questions should be answered. Now if your credentials are not so stellar and you are borderline on being accepted, I would not ask these questions, but if you know you have been accepted somewhere else, hammer away. This is a big deal, going to medical school, and you really should be told exactly what you are getting into. But really, the skies the limit to a certain point of course when you go to a do or md school. If you work really hard, get top 5% in class and on comlex and TAKE USMLE, the doors are wide wide open.
Good luck, don't rush into accepting the first offer you get like I did.

Well, since LECOM does not like publicizing their match lists, what are some good questions to asks the interviewers at LECOM?

 

[kimdd]

Futuresoxdoc,
As a 4th year I have to disagree with that 88% pass rate. Is that 88% passed it first time or eventually passed it? Also how many students were not allowed to take it. You can't deny the fact that it's shady when they aren't upfront with their pass rates and the match list. Shadyness looks, well shady. The clinical ed dept lovely? Wonder why cinda left? Have you tried calling to see if your rotation request got through? They definitely don't treat the students with respect. But can you blame them, they get screamed at by that pompous fool Dr. A all day, I don't blame them that they don't let a little steam out on the students. Hey look an oppinion is an oppinion. I think LECOM is a money first, student second institution. LECOM paid nothing to our affiliate hospitals. That is a joke , a friggin joke. Now where does ou 50+ grand go we spend 3rd 4th years. They don't pay the docs, they only get CME. They pay for the LECOM family private jet! Yes a JET! HA. Good luck and good riddens to this school

Ok...I wasn't going to respond, but I really have had it with this and don't want students to not apply here because of the venom being spit. For background, I am an MSIII as well. And my advice? Don't go to med school, period. But if you really, really, decide that you should go, LECOM is fine. Sorry for the length- I just went through and debunked myths that I thought were false.

-76%??? Where are you getting this from? We had a lecture where a dean gave us the numbers every year of the pass rate. LECOM was higher than the average, and dipped recently. Class of 06 was around 88%, which was 1-2% lower than the national average. If you were at that lecture, you weren't listening, or think that dean is a liar. The differences in the pass rate between LDP and PBL can be accounted to a number of things, including the ability of the PBL director to hand pick strong applicants. I believe the "power of PBL" myth will be in for a rude awakening when BLECOM takes the boards in a few months.

-I agree that the Anatomy teacher you are referring to is a perv. You think this unique to our school?

-Talk to any other student about their "3rd year electives". They have no idea what you're talking about because they don't have them. So yes, sometimes it is harder to set up rotations, but be thankful that you have the freedom to leave- many other students can't do that.

-You said that you will "never be proud you went to LECOM". That is your opinion. I don't hide that I went there and am proud of it. Every school has students who hate it; I have encountered that with students from all over the country. Its just the nature of the beast.

-I do believe LECOM moniters email. Just don't use their email system to say bad things; its not that hard. Complaining about that is like saying 2nd year "wait, there is old omm tests?" We all know it- its your friends fault for daring lecom to call him/her out on it.



I don't despise it. I don't miss it either. Rotations are much better than 1st and 2nd year, but that is far from unique to LECOM.



Not true. You do get to review them, usually within 3 days of the exam. You can take all the time you need. You just can't take them home.




I believe this was fixed.




I had a great resident who was a LECOM grad and he was very helpful; I'm sorry your experience wasn't the same.



This is true for the Class of 07 as well.



Yes and Yes. and girls can get away with basically anything for clothes.



Exactly.




I find statements like this to be ridiculous. Oh NO, I have to wear a shirt and tie two years early!




True. Very true.




I love the Clinical Ed office. If you are nice to them, they will bend over backwards for you.





If you aren't eating a value meal, you'll basically be fine- except for a certain Pharm teacher.



These statues were never approved and do not exist.



Many hospitals provide free housing and free food. It depends where you go; the school gives you a detailed list before you choose rotations if they give housing or food. It is your fault if lunch is that big of a deal to you, and you didn't chose a hospital with free food. I know a large hospital in PGH that doesn't give free food to their other med students either.





I pretty much have to say this is right on.



Help is there if you ask for it.

 

[Dr Trek 1]

Ok, enough is enough. I just pulled my acceptance from LECOM. Thanks everyone for your valued opinion so I don't have to suffer at such a horrid place for 2 years!

 

[Steel_City]

Run from this place while you can!!!

 

[Porphyria]

For all you pre-meds to attack people that have been in this for years for telling you how it is, for you to act like you know wtf is going on, is entirely idiotic. I was astounded reading through this thread seeing all the accurate things said by an MSIII and have people in classes of 2010 and 2011 trying to refute them! You have people here trying to help you and warn you, and your response is "Obviously this guy has some problems, LECOM is great! I can't wait to be a dr." Please....

Do you ever wonder why, of all schools, there has constantly been unhappy LECOM students on here for the past few years at least? I can tell you that everything the OP said is true, and I can go further - I can tell you that the administration does indeed monitor this site and has called students in to scold them for posting unbecoming things about their school if they find out who it was. I can tell you that at least half my class is extremely unhappy with their decision to come here, and at least 10 have attempted to transfer. I can tell you that the school is viewed as a joke by most people - please spare me the anecdotes of the 3 people you know that had nothing but great things to say about it. Anyone that thinks LECOM is a good school is delusional or ignorant - they probably went to crappy undergrads too and wouldn't know a good education if they saw it. The people that are happy at LECOM are just happy they get to go to medschool - it's like the special olympics of medical education.

Regarding board pass rates, you cannot believe anything that comes out of this administrations mouth. They are scam artists.

Hospitals are dropping LECOM as an affiliate like a bad habit. Many of the ones that are "affiliated" have never even heard of the place.

I'm not going to waste much more time on this, because we're obviously trying to warn people that don't want to believe the truth. Bottom line: if LECOM is the only place you can get into, and you don't want to go to the caribbean, and are absolutely determined to be a dr, then go I guess. Otherwise, for the love of all that is holy, run.

EDIT: I just wanted to add - in real life, I tell people LECOM is fine. Nobody wants to say their school sucks, it's embarrasing! Plus, not exactly good marketing of our degree. My point is, people saying to your face that it's fine or good, doesn't mean anything. This is an anonymous board where people can be honest.

 

[Tadgie]

What hospitals have been dropped recently?

 

[therealdeal]

Just heard through the grapevine that Wellington Regional won't be an affiliation anymore. Sucks for you since your in Bradenton.

 

[Sundarban1]

The funniest thing is you don't even realize how you've embarrassed yourself, while trying to not embarrass yourself. The only message you convey with this whiney attitude is that you were not smart or mature enough to make the right decision for yourself when deciding what school to attend (if you even had a choice). Take some responsibility for your actions.

For all you pre-meds to attack people that have been in this for years for telling you how it is, for you to act like you know wtf is going on, is entirely idiotic. I was astounded reading through this thread seeing all the accurate things said by an MSIII and have people in classes of 2010 and 2011 trying to refute them! You have people here trying to help you and warn you, and your response is "Obviously this guy has some problems, LECOM is great! I can't wait to be a dr." Please....

Do you ever wonder why, of all schools, there has constantly been unhappy LECOM students on here for the past few years at least? I can tell you that everything the OP said is true, and I can go further - I can tell you that the administration does indeed monitor this site and has called students in to scold them for posting unbecoming things about their school if they find out who it was. I can tell you that at least half my class is extremely unhappy with their decision to come here, and at least 10 have attempted to transfer. I can tell you that the school is viewed as a joke by most people - please spare me the anecdotes of the 3 people you know that had nothing but great things to say about it. Anyone that thinks LECOM is a good school is delusional or ignorant - they probably went to crappy undergrads too and wouldn't know a good education if they saw it. The people that are happy at LECOM are just happy they get to go to medschool - it's like the special olympics of medical education.

Regarding board pass rates, you cannot believe anything that comes out of this administrations mouth. They are scam artists.

Hospitals are dropping LECOM as an affiliate like a bad habit. Many of the ones that are "affiliated" have never even heard of the place.

I'm not going to waste much more time on this, because we're obviously trying to warn people that don't want to believe the truth. Bottom line: if LECOM is the only place you can get into, and you don't want to go to the caribbean, and are absolutely determined to be a dr, then go I guess. Otherwise, for the love of all that is holy, run.

EDIT: I just wanted to add - in real life, I tell people LECOM is fine. Nobody wants to say their school sucks, it's embarrasing! Plus, not exactly good marketing of our degree. My point is, people saying to your face that it's fine or good, doesn't mean anything. This is an anonymous board where people can be honest.

 

[Porphyria]

The funniest thing is you don't even realize how you've embarrassed yourself, while trying to not embarrass yourself. The only message you convey with this whiney attitude is that you were not smart or mature enough to make the right decision for yourself when deciding what school to attend (if you even had a choice). Take some responsibility for your actions.

I wasn't "trying not to embarass myself." All I was trying to do was tell people the truth. You're right, I made the wrong choice. This isn't about me.

 

[Jamers]

For all you pre-meds to attack people that have been in this for years for telling you how it is, for you to act like you know wtf is going on, is entirely idiotic. I was astounded reading through this thread seeing all the accurate things said by an MSIII and have people in classes of 2010 and 2011 trying to refute them! You have people here trying to help you and warn you, and your response is "Obviously this guy has some problems, LECOM is great! I can't wait to be a dr." Please....

Do you ever wonder why, of all schools, there has constantly been unhappy LECOM students on here for the past few years at least? I can tell you that everything the OP said is true, and I can go further - I can tell you that the administration does indeed monitor this site and has called students in to scold them for posting unbecoming things about their school if they find out who it was. I can tell you that at least half my class is extremely unhappy with their decision to come here, and at least 10 have attempted to transfer. I can tell you that the school is viewed as a joke by most people - please spare me the anecdotes of the 3 people you know that had nothing but great things to say about it. Anyone that thinks LECOM is a good school is delusional or ignorant - they probably went to crappy undergrads too and wouldn't know a good education if they saw it. The people that are happy at LECOM are just happy they get to go to medschool - it's like the special olympics of medical education.

Regarding board pass rates, you cannot believe anything that comes out of this administrations mouth. They are scam artists.

Hospitals are dropping LECOM as an affiliate like a bad habit. Many of the ones that are "affiliated" have never even heard of the place.

I'm not going to waste much more time on this, because we're obviously trying to warn people that don't want to believe the truth. Bottom line: if LECOM is the only place you can get into, and you don't want to go to the caribbean, and are absolutely determined to be a dr, then go I guess. Otherwise, for the love of all that is holy, run.

EDIT: I just wanted to add - in real life, I tell people LECOM is fine. Nobody wants to say their school sucks, it's embarrasing! Plus, not exactly good marketing of our degree. My point is, people saying to your face that it's fine or good, doesn't mean anything. This is an anonymous board where people can be honest.

I'm sorry, I am getting rather sick of that argument. In a year's time I can come back here and tell you the same thing and you will say, "you are only a MS 1, what do you know?" In fact, I could come back here in 20 years, please god let me have a life so that doesn't come true, and you will still use that argument. My opinion over these useless threads will not change and I am sorry that my "idiotic" self has insulted you, but I will continue to have my belief. Maybe you should tell some of those MS 4's that replied before how wrong they are as well? Do they not have enough "experience" to know "wtf is going on" as well?