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I'm applying to DO schools and was wondering if anyone can tell me their school's pass rates for 1st time takers for COMLEX?
I know TCOM has ranked #1 for the last several years with 99-100% pass rates and AZCOM is pretty high as well, but how are other schools out there doing?
Thanks!
 
Those rankings are useless. Many of the schools with the best passing % administer pre-tests to their students and if they students don't pass they don't get to take the boards.
 
True. You have to get the whole story.

UNE was #3 for class of 2010 (first time pass rate of like 94 - 96% or something like that) - and there's no pre-testing, no pre-screening. Every second year med student has to take and pass step 1 boards in order to go to third year rotations. So UNE's pass rate is an actual "everyone takes boards" pass rate. And no, we don't have a prep course built in to our curriculum. Our classes were over end of May and you had to take boards by the end of June to get scores back in time for start of rotations.
 
If MD schools are not ranked by first-time pass rate for USMLE, why should DO schools be ranked by first-time pass rate for COMLEX?

And is there really a difference between a 98% first-time pass rate and a 90% first-time pass rate? Can you say that one school does a better job preparing for the boards than another school? What if the average COMLEX scores for the second school is higher than the average score for the first school?
 
Those rankings are useless. Many of the schools with the best passing % administer pre-tests to their students and if they students don't pass they don't get to take the boards.
Our school just started administering a pre-test as well (and it is the NBME test 😱 ). This will help them increase their "1st time pass rate".
 
You're going to get out of it what you put into it. Who cares what the school's pass rate is? Unless you are worried that they may not be spoon feeding it directly to you enough and there might some self initiative involved.
 
What if the average COMLEX scores for the second school is higher than the average score for the first school?


Excellent points. This number meant the most to me when I was comparing.....
 
Who cares about first time board pass rates. If i fail boards its my own fault and has nothing to do with the school. I would be more interested in knowing how many people do really well on boards(99 on step 1, etc.). I think there MAY BE a difference in high scorers between different schools.
 
true, but i'd be highly suspicious of a school who had a 1st time pass rate of 50%. not saying there IS a school like that, i'm just saying.
 
Who cares about first time board pass rates. If i fail boards its my own fault and has nothing to do with the school. I would be more interested in knowing how many people do really well on boards(99 on step 1, etc.). I think there MAY BE a difference in high scorers between different schools.

TCOM not only leads the nation in pass rate, we typically have the highest COMLEX mean scores as well (right around 530's for our class as I recall).
 
Generally, the higher the first time passing % of a school, the higher the class score average....for what its worth.
 
I don't know about KCUMB's pass rates😕, but I'm sure we're at the top. 🙄

Everyone here passes the coolness test. 😎
 
Passing depends on the student, not the school.

Very true - to a point. A school can do things (mismanage how they schedule board breaks, overemphasize OMT, make lecture attendance mandatory) so that performing well on the boards becomes more difficult...

Beyond that, there is no such thing as a universal ranking of good medical schools and/or residencies...only those which are a good fit for an individual.
 
Yeah TCOM this year has an average COMLEX score around 544. Average is 500. We had one failure, and 4 people score over 700 with the highest being 785. We are also the highest in the country with Step 2. Also, our average MCAT acceptance into TCOM is a 29.3.
 
I'm applying to DO schools and was wondering if anyone can tell me their school's pass rates for 1st time takers for COMLEX?
I know TCOM has ranked #1 for the last several years with 99-100% pass rates and AZCOM is pretty high as well, but how are other schools out there doing?
Thanks!
No offense, but this is a fairly worthless statistic. I would be shocked if any DO school had less than a 95% 1st time pass rate on COMLEX.

My personal opinion, but I think its more useful to look at each school's match-list. Longevity of a program I think somewhat correlates with a school's general prestige. Every DO knows Kirksville.
 
No offense, but this is a fairly worthless statistic. I would be shocked if any DO school had less than a 95% 1st time pass rate on COMLEX.

My personal opinion, but I think its more useful to look at each school's match-list. Longevity of a program I think somewhat correlates with a school's general prestige. Every DO knows Kirksville.

Match lists are equally as useless. The only important aspect of a med school is cost.....

Always choose the cheaper school!
 
Match lists have too much to do with where the student WANTS to go... not where they HAVE to go. They have too much to do with what the student WANTS to go into, not what they HAVE to go into. So they are inherently flawed.

First time board pass rates and average school board scores are better as the scores are objective. But you have to see whether ALL students take boards or just ones selected by the administration. But good luck getting true information from schools without them "tweaking" it to make the school look better. Would be nice if NBOME published the statistics regarding pass rates per school and average score per school. Then you would just have to get the scuttlebutt whether the administration at each school holds back students from taking boards.

How old a school is also doesn't correlate (and I will NOT name specific schools here). Look at the curriculae, especially for things like OMM. Some schools only teach HVLA. Others are heavy on BLT. There is at least one school that refuses to teach their students cervical HVLA. I met students at two different schools that never heard of Still's technique. Some schools only require you demonstrate how to "set someone up" and talk through techniques during exams. Others require you to examine patients and treat real dysfunctions. For labs, some schools have prosections, others dissections. Some have 8-12 students per cadaver, others 4 (and one I've heard - merely heard from a current student - is looking at doing online video anatomy - no cadavers). Histology can be from slides which are online, or microscope stations (one you only have to memorize the online pictures, the other you have to actually figure out what you're looking at). Take a goooooood look at curriculae.

Then look at clinicals. Talk to students, look at old posts regarding clinical sites. Do students do mostly scutwork, very little actual patient care? Are they so busy doing H&Ps they never do anything else? For family med, are they shadowing or do they get their own patients? How much OMM do you do during third year (you'll need OMM for your comlex II)? During surgery are you observing 4 levels back, begging to hold a retractor, or first assisting? For psych is it all outpatient, or in a lockdown unit? Detox or true psych illnesses?

Prestige has more to do with how much the alumni talk up their school and who you know rather than how good the school actually is. Be careful and do your homework well.
 
Not to be argumentative, I'm just speaking from personal experience as someone that has already been through the match process. And frankly speaking, how successful you are at matching in your desired specialty in your desired location... thats a pretty important factor in choosing a medical school.

Match lists have too much to do with where the student WANTS to go... not where they HAVE to go. They have too much to do with what the student WANTS to go into, not what they HAVE to go into. So they are inherently flawed.
Thats great, except you're assuming that more students at DO schools versus MD schools WANT to go into primary care. The fact that a smaller percentage of DO graduates enter into competitive specialties has a lot more to do simply with the desire of their graduates in entering those specialties.

First time board pass rates and average school board scores are better as the scores are objective. But you have to see whether ALL students take boards or just ones selected by the administration. But good luck getting true information from schools without them "tweaking" it to make the school look better. Would be nice if NBOME published the statistics regarding pass rates per school and average score per school. Then you would just have to get the scuttlebutt whether the administration at each school holds back students from taking boards.
Again, pass rates are worthless. Average board scores would be excellent, however that information is never made available. Only a handful of MD schools even bother to do this.

How old a school is also doesn't correlate (and I will NOT name specific schools here).

Prestige has more to do with how much the alumni talk up their school and who you know rather than how good the school actually is. Be careful and do your homework well.
Its not as much prestige as simply knowing that your school exists. A lot of these newer DO programs, most DO-attendings haven't even heard of. There's no way to really prove it either way. But during residency interviews, the identity of my school always popped up (they thought KCUMB was a new program... I had to explain to them that its actually quite old/we just changed the name).
 
Terp, I agree with everything you said. It is amazing to me how many of my classmates have changed their minds from specialties to family med and vice versa. It does seem to me however that many more of my classmates have changed away from things like OB, Urology, etc. into family med simply because they like it than the other way around (family med to specialty). I was merely saying that match lists have more to do with what students want to do than the school.

As for pass rates, notice I said "and average board scores". That "and" was important. I have long said that pass rates alone don't mean anything because of how many schools don't let every student take boards at the same time - some schools hold students back because administration doesn't feel the student is "ready". The "first time pass rates" by such schools are artificial.

Never thought of the simply knowing your school exists thing. I suppose I never thought of that simply because one of my undergraduate schools is an unknown as well. I never did think much of a name. I suppose I should consider that... but I suppose knowledge is power. For folks in the know, an undergraduate degree from Harvard doesn't hold much weight anymore what with the grade inflation issue and all. But still most people hear Harvard and squeal with delight and awe.
 
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