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Hello everyone,

Can somebody please give top-10 D.O school list? I am googling it and the results are different.

Also, what D.O schools provide housing? Like dormitory or something like that.

Thank you very much!
 
KMN said:
Hello everyone,

Can somebody please give top-10 D.O school list? I am googling it and the results are different.

Also, what D.O schools provide housing? Like dormitory or something like that.

Thank you very much!
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Ask 10 people about this, and you're going to get 11 different answers.

I have a high respect for:
VCOM
CCOM
AZCOM
KCU
UNECOM
PCOM
Touro-CA
BCOM
both Westerns
CUSOM
KCOM
DMU
MUCOM
TCOM
TUCOM
NYITCOM

I can't recommend Nova, BCOM. UIW, LMU, Wm Carey, LUCOM, for different reasons. MSUCOM? Read up on Larry Nasser and you decide. LMU has an accreditation warning, which concerns me. CalHS is too new and has a too small a rotations base, it seems.
 
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KMN said:
Hello everyone,

Can somebody please give top-10 D.O school list? I am googling it and the results are different.

Also, what D.O schools provide housing? Like dormitory or something like that.

Thank you very much!
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The cheapest one that you will do well at. Go for cheap, established programs not too far from your support system. Outside of regional preference and clinical affiliates, literally every DO school is viewed equally poorly by residency programs.
 
hallowmann said:
The cheapest one that you will do well at. Go for cheap, established programs not too far from your support system. Outside of regional preference and clinical affiliates, literally every DO school is viewed equally poorly by residency programs.
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???
 
hallowmann said:
? DO schools are at the bottom of US schools. They're all viewed the same, as lower tier, below all LCME programs. This shouldn't be a surprise.
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Are they better than IMG students in terms of getting into residency?
 
hallowmann said:
? DO schools are at the bottom of US schools. They're all viewed the same, as lower tier, below all LCME programs. This shouldn't be a surprise.
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It's cool though as long as that pay out is the same !
 
KMN said:
Are they better than IMG students in terms of getting into residency?
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Overall, yes, by a decent amount. More importantly, your likelihood of actually finishing at a DO school and getting to the point of applying for residency is much higher than IMGs, like Caribbean students.

hungrydoc710 said:
It's cool though as long as that pay out is the same !
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Pay is based on region, specialty and type of job, not your degree.
 
hallowmann said:
The cheapest one that you will do well at. Go for cheap, established programs not too far from your support system. Outside of regional preference and clinical affiliates, literally every DO school is viewed equally poorly by residency programs.
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This comment misses the mark. To say all DO schools are viewed the same or equally badly is way to simple of a comment. This is pretty obvious when looking at the differences in match rates and the specialities that students from a more highly touted DO school may end up in compared to a newer/less established/less respected one. I get your angle but you've missed your mark sir.
 
Am_I_A_Dr_Yet said:
This comment misses the mark. To say all DO schools are viewed the same or equally badly is way to simple of a comment. This is pretty obvious when looking at the differences in match rates and the specialities that students from a more highly touted DO school may end up in compared to a newer/less established/less respected one. I get your angle but you've missed your mark sir.
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Believe what you want.
 
Am_I_A_Dr_Yet said:
This comment misses the mark. To say all DO schools are viewed the same or equally badly is way to simple of a comment. This is pretty obvious when looking at the differences in match rates and the specialities that students from a more highly touted DO school may end up in compared to a newer/less established/less respected one. I get your angle but you've missed your mark sir.
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@hallowmann is correct. Programs do look at the tier of school you attend. My former program would trip over themselves if they had an applicant from one of the Ivy's. No DO school is considered upper tier or even mid tier. Programs having regional and local experience with certain schools can help in some cases . In general they assume any DO school is a lower tier school. This is why it is incumbent on you, the applicant, to be as competetive as possible when applying. I have written letters, sent emails, and occasionally made phone calls to PDs for my students when they were not getting interviews, even when they have very good board scores and high class rank. You will have to use every tool at your disposal to lobby for your acceptance if you desire to match well. What school you attend wont matter much. Good luck and best wishes
 
hungrydoc710 said:
PCOM-PA, CCOM, MSUCOM top 3
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disagree with CCOM. And this is why there is no reason to argue. Idk put MSU, osu, tcom, and ouhcom. If you say private then pcom, KCU, rvucom.

CCOM gets kicked out due to the cost for no reason. I think best requires a balancing act of the good and bad to determine best

Am_I_A_Dr_Yet said:
This comment misses the mark. To say all DO schools are viewed the same or equally badly is way to simple of a comment. This is pretty obvious when looking at the differences in match rates and the specialities that students from a more highly touted DO school may end up in compared to a newer/less established/less respected one. I get your angle but you've missed your mark sir.
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He hit the nail on the head. As DOs we know the general pecking order but in reality the differences are marginal. But what exactly matters about who’s is best? Will you get the residency/specialty you want. To PDs there is no difference between DO schools other than the regional ones they are familiar with. All applicants are lumped into one category.

Source: I’ve been in interviews as a resident at an ACGME program where the faculty couldn’t tell you the difference between PCOM from William Carey. They are both DOs. As far they are concerned, COCA has less stringent standards so they assume all clinical rotations are crap with little to no resident contact
 
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Am_I_A_Dr_Yet said:
This comment misses the mark. To say all DO schools are viewed the same or equally badly is way to simple of a comment. This is pretty obvious when looking at the differences in match rates and the specialities that students from a more highly touted DO school may end up in compared to a newer/less established/less respected one. I get your angle but you've missed your mark sir.
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Not to pile on but no. Are there differences in resources at DO schools? Absolutely, and these resources often help their grads match well. Are these DO schools viewed any differently by residency programs? Nope. DO schools are all viewed the same, low tier schools that take less academically qualified applicants than MD schools with weak clinical education.

Is this unfair? Somewhat, but the AOA has driven this problem with the incessant opening of crappy schools to the point the better schools are lumped in with the bad.
 
Pss: a lot of these more impressive matches are due to these better schools having their own competitive residencies to match into... and stronger students who are more likely to succeed compared to the newest of schools
 
Oh this is SDN, sorry I thought I was in a non-elitist unbiased community. Hahah jk. I’ve spoken with many DO’s (in desirable specialties) and MD’s who would say otherwise.

It would be dangerous to have an applicant think that it doesn’t matter which school they choose, or that they are all the same. All one needs to do is look at the statistical information. Certain schools have a larger percentage of students that have one outcome while you have other schools with a larger percentage of students finding a different oftentimes more desirable outcome. Clearly the school you go to matters. Of course DO schools are considered low tier medical schools. But to say all DO schools are the same, or it doesn’t matter where you go is laughable and clearly false.
 
Am_I_A_Dr_Yet said:
Oh this is SDN, sorry I thought I was in a non-elitist unbiased community. Hahah jk. I’ve spoken with many DO’s (in desirable specialties) and MD’s who would say otherwise.

It would be dangerous to have an applicant think that it doesn’t matter which school they choose, or that they are all the same. All one needs to do is look at the statistical information. Certain schools have a larger percentage of students that have one outcome while you have other schools with a larger percentage of students finding a different oftentimes more desirable outcome. Clearly the school you go to matters. Of course DO schools are considered low tier medical schools. But to say all DO schools are the same, or it doesn’t matter where you go is laughable and clearly false.
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what are your credentials to make that statement? No one is saying all DOs are the same. Everyone has said there are better ones than others. Whats being said is that in residency selection a DO is a DO is a DO
 
DO2015CA said:
what are your credentials to make that statement? No one is saying all DOs are the same. Everyone has said there are better ones than others. Whats being said is that in residency selection a DO is a DO is a DO
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Does the DO stigma still exists post-MATCH in your residency program? Have you/or a friend ever felt like some of your MD colleagues looked down on their DO colleagues?
 
Am_I_A_Dr_Yet said:
Oh this is SDN, sorry I thought I was in a non-elitist unbiased community. Hahah jk. I’ve spoken with many DO’s (in desirable specialties) and MD’s who would say otherwise.

It would be dangerous to have an applicant think that it doesn’t matter which school they choose, or that they are all the same. All one needs to do is look at the statistical information. Certain schools have a larger percentage of students that have one outcome while you have other schools with a larger percentage of students finding a different oftentimes more desirable outcome. Clearly the school you go to matters. Of course DO schools are considered low tier medical schools. But to say all DO schools are the same, or it doesn’t matter where you go is laughable and clearly false.
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There are schools like wcu that have had recent problems with attrition and low placement rate. LMU has notoriously terrible clinical rotations.

The state schools, in particular MSU and OSU, are basically state MD schools that misspelled their credentials.

Beyond extreme outliers such as these though the other posters are correct. Nothing magical about the majority of DO schools. So for the most part just pick the cheapest one that you like. The difference in match lists you perceive are really just due to higher stat classes compared to lower stat newer schools.

Also, most people, believe it or not, aren’t just going after a high tier residency spot so we can impress premeds on the internet. Most are just going for their field of choice in a place they’d like to live. So I’d expect a school in a desirable area to match more frequently to said desirable area for example. Because of location, those programs are more competitive than average. Thus, a match list looks impressive bc 1) that program will attract higher stat applicants bc of location, an 2) bc those students want to match at those programs. Reading a match list is like tea leaves tbh.
 
Dr.Gains said:
Does the DO stigma still exists post-MATCH in your residency program? Have you/or a friend ever felt like some of your MD colleagues looked down on their DO colleagues?
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Depends on who you're interacting with, but generally no. No one notices. They mainly notice what program you're in. After that, half the time I don't know which attending is an MD or DO, and others don't either. I was recently on a rotation in another site, for 3.5 wks I didn't realize that my attending (who was one of the best there) was a DO, who actually went to the same school as me. To give some context, this is in a city halfway across the country from my school. They had inadvertently put MD on both of our IDs, because no one cares or notices.

Ho0v-man said:
There are schools like wcu that have had recent problems with attrition and low placement rate. LMU has notoriously terrible clinical rotations.

The state schools, in particular MSU and OSU, are basically state MD schools that misspelled their credentials.

Beyond extreme outliers such as these though the other posters are correct. Nothing magical about the majority of DO schools. So for the most part just pick the cheapest one that you like. The difference in match lists you perceive are really just due to higher stat classes compared to lower stat newer schools.

Also, most people, believe it or not, aren’t just going after a high tier residency spot so we can impress premeds on the internet. Most are just going for their field of choice in a place they’d like to live. So I’d expect a school in a desirable area to match more frequently to said desirable area for example. Because of location, those programs are more competitive than average. Thus, a match list looks impressive bc 1) that program will attract higher stat applicants bc of location, an 2) bc those students want to match at those programs. Reading a match list is like tea leaves tbh.
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Very much this. The other issue is that the poster is essentially taking correlation and implying causation, when a much more likely explanation is simply that higher stats translate to higher individual performance and placement regardless of the school.
 
Hayzle said:
where did the LECOMs go
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While I like their cheap tuition, I dislike their disrespect of adult learners with their mandated lecture attendance and dress code policies
 
Goro said:
While I like their cheap tuition, I dislike their disrespect of adult learners with their mandated lecture attendance and dress code policies
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No argument, but I believe LECOM has PBL at all 4 campuses. I think Erie has the lecture pathway with the mandated attendance. So unless you are in the lecture pathway, I dont think there are that many mandatory lectures for PBL. I think they have a small independent study path in Erie, not sure if they still have it. Any LECOM grads want to comment?
 
Angus Avagadro said:
No argument, but I believe LECOM has PBL at all 4 campuses. I think Erie has the lecture pathway with the mandated attendance. So unless you are in the lecture pathway, I dont think there are that many mandatory lectures for PBL. I think they have a small independent study path in Erie, not sure if they still have it. Any LECOM grads want to comment?
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DSP still exists at Erie, that's the independent study one. There are still some minor courses and of course OMM that are mandatory attendance in the PBL pathways, and PBL sessions are also mandatory for as long as your group is working through the cases, but it meets for 2-3 hrs 3 days a week from what I remember. Ultimately, you end up having to be onsite for classes almost daily, but that mandatory time is rarely more than 3-4 hrs.
 
Goro said:
Ask 10 people about this, and you're going to get 11 different answers.

I have a high respect for:
VCOM
CCOM
AZCOM
KCU
UNECOM
PCOM
Touro-CA
BCOM
both Westerns
CUSOM
KCOM
DMU
MUCOM
TCOM
TUCOM
NYITCOM

I can't recommend Touro-NY, Nova, Wm Carey, LUCOM, for different reasons. MSUCOM? Read up on Larry Nasser and you decide. LMU has an accreditation warning, which concerns me. CalHS is too new and has a too small a rotations base, it seems.
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When will you stop hating Touro?
 
Here's my DO school ranking:

State DO schools >>> PCOM-PA > DMU > KCU > CCOM (if you can aford it) > RVUCOM > CUSOM > Most other DO schools > ARCOM > New Schools minus ARCOM > LUCOM > LMUDCOM > WCUCOM
 
DrStephenStrange said:
Here's my DO school ranking:

State DO schools >>> PCOM-PA > DMU > KCU > CCOM (if you can aford it) > RVUCOM > CUSOM > Most other DO schools > ARCOM > New Schools minus ARCOM > LUCOM > LMUDCOM > WCUCOM
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lol what separates arcom from all of the other brand new schools to you?
 
DO2015CA said:
lol what separates arcom from all of the other brand new schools to you?
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Tuition on the cheaper side, federal loans availability, actual decent rotation sites, State support, working on GME development in AR. But I guess I’m also bias because I go here.
 
DO2015CA said:
Ya lol. Cause places like ACOM have all that plus already a couple affiliated residencies.
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Lol I wasn’t considering ACOM as a new school they already graduated 2 or 3 classes already. Maybe I should have said brand new schools.
 
Tozanzibarbymotorcar said:
When will you stop hating Touro?
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When I see some strong Level II pass rates.

Look, this isn't hate, this is warning potential candidates about a significant weakness of a school. I'm not crazy about RVU being a for-profit school, or the way SOMA has built thier "scatter 'em all over the state" clinical years, or the dress codes/mandatory lectures at several schools. Applicants are adults and can decide if that fits their needs. But a potentially weak clinical education the manifest in poor Level II scores or pass rates is something that the students have no control over.
 
Goro said:
When I see some strong Level II pass rates.

Look, this isn't hate, this is warning potential candidates about a significant weakness of a school. I'm not crazy about RVU being a for-profit school, or the way SOMA has built thier "scatter 'em all over the state" clinical years, or the dress codes/mandatory lectures at several schools. Applicants are adults and can decide if that fits their needs. But a potentially weak clinical education the manifest in poor Level II scores or pass rates is something that the students have no control over.
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Could you please tell me about your opinion about Touro-Harlem now?
 
Goro said:
They back to being a good school, having reversed the level II issue that concerned me
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So between Touro-Harlem and WCUCOM, which one do you recommend? My interview at Touro was online so didn't get a chance to see the school. Thank you.
 
wildcherry said:
Does anyone know how NSU is these days?
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The program is fine.

I originally thought we were gonna get shafted by the MD students for rotations but they're the ones that actually have to drive all across the tricounty area as opposed to us.

They're also putting some of that donation money to good use providing UWorld, Pathoma, COMBANK etc to all the students.
 
nooneyouknow said:
The program is fine.

I originally thought we were gonna get shafted by the MD students for rotations but they're the ones that actually have to drive all across the tricounty area as opposed to us.

They're also putting some of that donation money to good use providing UWorld, Pathoma, COMBANK etc to all the students.
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That's good to hear. Do you know if the Ft. Lauderdale and Tampa campuses differ much in quality?
 
As far as I understand it's the same curriculum, shared profs. I'm not sure if Tampa has cadavers.
Tampa's campus has a lot more nice study spots for the med students.
 
best DO school is the school that wastes the least amount of your time on OPP
 
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