"DO schools are more competitive than MD Schools"

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Dr. Mike is spreading garbage. What a sham!!! Is this true? I did not bust my butt in undergrad and post grad so that DO students can say they are more competitive. SAD!!
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imtheman25 said:


Go to the 3:15 mark.
Dr. Mike is spreading garbage. What a sham!!! Is this true? I did not bust my butt in undergrad and post grad so that DO students can say they are more competitive. SAD!!
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My school gets ~5000-6000 apps
We interview ~500
We accept ~250
We seat ~100.

Rates are about the same as most MD schools.

Don't take the Kool-Aid personally.
 
Goro said:
My school gets ~5000-6000 apps
We interview ~500
We accept ~250
We seat ~100.

Rates are about the same as most MD schools.

Don't take the Kool-Aid personally.
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But even you have to admit the MCAT/GPA discrepancies that exist between DO/MD schools. There's a reason why when someone with say a 29 MCAT (or whatever that is on the new scale) is told to apply to DO's as a "back up". No one's doubting the Application/interview%/Acceptance%'s are similar.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Lol why does this bother you? Like who has time to even care about stupid stuff like what some dude said to get followers for his channel?

Sometimes it astounds me how fast we are to whip it out and measure
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It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
 
coldcase331 said:
But even you have to admit the MCAT/GPA discrepancies that exist between DO/MD schools. There's a reason why when someone with say a 29 MCAT (or whatever that is on the new scale) is told to apply to DO's as a "back up". No one's doubting the Application/interview%/Acceptance%'s are similar.
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It is almost like saying Caribbean MD schools are more competitive because it is harder to graduate and matriculate into a US residency. SAD!!
 
imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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You're grossly overgeneralizing and saying some pretty inflammatory things about people who will more than likely be your colleagues some day.

Like most people have said, it's clear this guy is just putting out random videos to collect social media followers. No one honestly believes that there is more competition in the DO sphere than the MD one.
 
fldoctorgirl said:
You're grossly overgeneralizing and saying some pretty inflammatory things about people who will more than likely be your colleagues some day.

Like most people have said, it's clear this guy is just putting out random videos to collect social media followers. No one honestly believes that there is more competition in the DO sphere than the MD one.
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I have no problem with DO's. I recognize DOs as competent physicians and I work in clinic with DO students all the time (many of which I consider my friends). However I do not appreciate my degree and education being degraded in order to validate themselves.
 
imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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I worked hard to get a 3.8/35 and went DO. The fact that the majority of MD applicants scored lower than me does not diminish my accomplishment.
 
imtheman25 said:
I have no problem with DO's. I recognize DOs as competent physicians and I work in clinic with DO students all the time (many of which I consider my friends). However I do not appreciate my degree and education being degraded in order for them to validate themselves.
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Like I said, I don't think anyone is legitimately degrading the MD degree or suggesting that DO trumps MD. Actually, I think most people (even those at DO schools) would say that MD is a better route to go. I just don't think you should be saying that those at DO schools "partied" and got "<3.5 GPAs" because that's not true. No one is taking away from your accomplishments by wanting theirs recognized as well.
 
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imtheman25 said:


Go to the 3:15 mark.
Dr. Mike is spreading garbage. What a sham!!! Is this true? I did not bust my butt in undergrad and post grad so that DO students can say they are more competitive. SAD!!
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I know right? It’s not like you’re working that hard to help patients or anything...


imtheman25 said:
I have no problem with DO's. I recognize DOs as competent physicians and I work in clinic with DO students all the time (many of which I consider my friends). However I do not appreciate my degree and education being degraded in order for them to validate themselves.
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Do you always get this upset with everything you see on the internet? Just as a heads up, our healthcare system is falling apart.
 
Honestly, this video echos a lot of what is seen on the do threads , and I tend to agree with some of it.
He definitely did over exaggerate with the competitiveness compared to MD . I think the video may have value for potential patients who are trying to decide on a doctor and don’t know the difference between the alphabet soup.

Most importantly, you should take solace in the fact that you will have those perks of MD like getting residencies with more ease .

I personally will most likely end up going to a DO school , and I don’t fall into the category that partied a lot , as a matter a fact I know many people who took a plethora of drugs and ended up in MD. This is obviously anecdotal , but you made a gross over exaggeration.


Also , I don’t think there is any point of getting upset at a video if you are already finished or finishing up your MD degree. It just comes off insecure, it’s not like DOs are here to take your jerbs.
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coldcase331 said:
But even you have to admit the MCAT/GPA discrepancies that exist between DO/MD schools. There's a reason why when someone with say a 29 MCAT (or whatever that is on the new scale) is told to apply to DO's as a "back up". No one's doubting the Application/interview%/Acceptance%'s are similar.
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BombsAway said:
By that logic it is an order of magnitude harder to get into LECOM than Harvard.
https://www.usnews.com/education/be...6/10-medical-schools-with-the-most-applicants
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Of course. There are different groups of applicants. But pay careful attention to the OP. Nothing was raised about who goes where, just the over all degree of difficulty.

The same holds true for comparing Gtown vs Yale. On the number of apps alone, it's harder for someone to get into Gtown than into Yale. So yes, bombs, that's exactly what I'm saying.

imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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Hint: this process isn't about you.
 
Dude, that guy is an idiot. It is way harder to get into an MD school, and I am a DO student. People can say whatever they want on the internet, and it wouldn't make a difference if you get mad anyways. Dont get mad with their proclaimed bull**** or else you would be triggered by every other ignorant claims on the internet (eg. nurses saying they are better than physicians). Just be glad you are in an MD school and will have no bias to overcome when selecting for residency. Haters be hating.
 
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imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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So, by your logic, everyone who got into DO schools didn't have to do anything but party prior to med school? Not a single chance they had to work to put themselves through school, socioeconomically disadvantaged, preferred DO, got shafted by the MD admission committees based on other demographics, etc? You might wanna do some asking around because I know for a fact there are several DO schools who beat many MD schools come Step 1 score. Also, you might wanna get over your complex otherwise this whole residency merger is gonna be real tough on you once you get there and find out you have to share the floor with all those party animals. I've met several DO's (and students) who I would trust clinically over some of my classmates at my MD school regardless of what their undergrad GPA or MCAT was.

Not one person is going to care about where we went to school as long as it was inside the US. Let alone, compare two sets of initials based on your undergrad GPA. Also, why do you care what some dude on youtube says?
 
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imtheman25 said:
I do not appreciate my degree and education being degraded in order to validate themselves.
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You do realize you signed up for medicine, right? I had the pleasure of working with a few Physicians and I can't count how many complaints I heard from nurses, patients, Facebook, Yelp, etc? I expect to endure my fair share of degree degradation in the future, but I know what I am signing up for. Anyways, like @harkas said, we have bigger fish to fry.
 
imtheman25 said:
I have no problem with DO's. I recognize DOs as competent physicians and I work in clinic with DO students all the time (many of which I consider my friends). However I do not appreciate my degree and education being degraded in order to validate themselves.
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I think your auto correct is switching "NP" to "DO"....might want to get that checked out.
 
imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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As someone who partied every weekend and made all A's and a 37 MCAT, I'm offended to call you a colleague. I assumed DOs were people who were just too dumb to make good grades and mcat. In fact, I think if you need to study all weekend to make a 4.0 in undergrad, and you can't go out every night and get blasted during mcat studying, you lack the inherent intelligence required to be an MD.
 
imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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If a random internet video is able to affect your mood that much, you’re going to have a tough time in medicine. I would focus on taking pride from your work without the need for external validation; you won’t get much as you progress, no one does in the real world. You’ll receive far more (hopefully constructive) criticism than ‘atta boys, that’s just how this job works.
 
imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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What an ignorant statement.

Some people (like myself) had extenuating circumstances that unfortunately caused us to hit a "speed bump" and struggle in UG. Depression/OCD was mine. Add to that a (sudden) nasty divorce between my parents, and you have a recipe for disaster.

I worked my a** off to rebuild my resume and am VERY proud of myself for getting into a US medical program. If someone would have told me 4 years ago that I would currently be in medical school, I would have laughed hysterically at them. I am eternally grateful for Osteopathic Schools giving me an opportunity to become a physician. Your statement is a major slap in the face.

Please think before you type.
 
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imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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imtheman25 said:
However I do not appreciate my degree and education being degraded in order to validate themselves.
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First of all, just for kicks and giggles I’ll mention my MCAT is probably higher than yours. Just sayin. Second of all, the truth is no one gives two rips about your education or hard work. NP lobby groups are currently actively degrading your degree to the people in positions to lower our reimbursement. Hospital administrators are looking for any way to degrade your degree and pay you less, or better yet just get a mid-level to do your job. The public in general doesn’t care about your degree and thinks you are overpaid, greedy, and that they can google their symptoms and come up with a treatement plan just as well as you can.

With all of this going on you choose to get the jimmies in a bunch because someone said something on their own social media channel about DO being more competitive, likely simply basing it on number of seats per applicant which would actually make that statement true?
 
imtheman25 said:
It bothers me because it takes away from my hard work. While they partied every weekend and got that <~3.5 GPA and 300 MCAT, I worked hard to earn better stats in order to be accepted to MD school.
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Ignoring the ignorance in the rest of your post, two things:

1) how does any of this take away from your accomplishments?

2) you need to not be so wrapped up in how you compare to other people.
 
WingedOx said:
Sounds like OP is upset that he doesn't care for the "whole person."
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Pretty much, all I hear is whining they don’t holistically consider the whole patient as a whole sum of disorders and somatic disfunction wholly. Clearly MDs as a whole are wholly incapable of considering the whole patient and being a whole and complete physician and therefore DO is more competitive as a whole.
 
General consensus is that MD schools are more competitive than DO schools. I could care less about everything else.
 
All I am saying is one thing leads to another. Dr. Mike's video goes viral and all of sudden incompetent patients refuse treatment by MDs and want DO doctors because "we do not treat the whole patient" and that "DO schools better educate their students compared to MD schools, also DO students are smarter than MD bc they are more competitive". SAD!!! Nip it in the bud.
 
Donald Juan said:
As someone who partied every weekend and made all A's and a 37 MCAT, I'm offended to call you a colleague. I assumed DOs were people who were just too dumb to make good grades and mcat. In fact, I think if you need to study all weekend to make a 4.0 in undergrad, and you can't go out every night and get blasted during mcat studying, you lack the inherent intelligence required to be an MD.
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Savage.
 
imtheman25 said:
All I am saying is one thing leads to another. Dr. Mike's video goes viral and all of sudden incompetent patients refuse treatment by MDs and want DO doctors because "we do not treat the whole patient" and that "DO schools better educate their students compared to MD schools, also DO students are smarter than MD bc they are more competitive". SAD!!! Nip it in the bud.
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You have problems.
 
imtheman25 said:
All I am saying is one thing leads to another. Dr. Mike's video goes viral and all of sudden incompetent patients refuse treatment by MDs and want DO doctors because "we do not treat the whole patient" and that "DO schools better educate their students compared to MD schools, also DO students are smarter than MD bc they are more competitive". SAD!!! Nip it in the bud.
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Quick will someone ban this dude? We can’t have people ruining the master plan.... :diebanana:
 
I know several individuals in medical school who were accepted into both allopathic and osteopathic schools and chose the osteopathic one. That will likely be myself this cycle. I agree MDs are way more competitive but I don't like when people refer to DO as a backup or lesser. For me it's just about the treatment approach and advocating prevention (my undergrad degree is in Nutrition Science/Dietetics.) At the end of the day, MDs and DOs both make competent physicians and patients will get the treatment and help they need.
 
When he says more competitive he is referring to the number of applicants per seat, not the scores. Listening skills.
 
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