DO schools with most resources to place students into competitive residencies?

[EnigmaticScale]

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The idea that there are tiers to DO schools is about 10% truth and 90% premed neuroticism. Premeds want so badly to be part of the "best" DO schools that they will force an artificial tier system onto themselves, and make mostly bogus reasons to justify their list. They talk about "resources", but never pinpoint what resources are so important to them. They talk about having a strong alumni base and don't ever quite realize that having a lot of alumni from your school out there doesn't mean squat in terms of quality of the school, or any kind of benefit to you, the student.

There ARE differences in quality in schools, but it's nearly impossible to evaluate it from a premed standpoint. And there's quality variations within schools. The most important factor that makes a school good or bad is the quality of its clinical education. Unfortunately pretty much all schools have at least one or two great rotation sites and at least one or two piss poor ones, so no matter what tier list you make, you WILL encounter students from the "worst" DO school that are much better prepared for residency than students from the "best" DO school. This is a major issue in our education and it's the chief reason why residencies hesitate to load up their rosters with DO's. But if you can't consistently produce a better product than your peer schools you have no right to call yourself a tier above your peer schools.

In substitute of real measures of quality, people tier up the schools based on random personal preferences/neuroses. It's a better school if it's cheaper! It's a better school if they have an IS/OOS balance I like! It's a better school if it's affiliated with a real university because it makes it sound more legitimate to laypeople! It's a better school if it's not a dirty, evil for profit school! It's a better school because one year someone went to Mayo! This is why tier lists are a joke and some of us are "touchy" about it.

THANK YOU! THIS IS THE ANSWER WE ALL WANTED.

Now that's out of the way, what schools would you say objectively are at the top?

 

[EnigmaticScale]

As fair as this is, this is one school of thought in a situation where there is no right or wrong, and people who subscribe to the other school of thought should be allowed to voice that as well. MD schools have tiers; in fact forget medicine for a second, pretty much everything in life where there is more than one option is tiered regardless of personal opinion. Time after time, these tier lists come up and it is just shot down without anything constructive really added to the discussion. I don't agree with OPs list but there are DO schools working day and night to be better for their students, more so than others and their results reflect this, and just from the interview trail you can tell those schools. So to just lump all schools in one giant pile because of our insecurities is just ridiculous, especially since this is something we need to do for ourselves as DO students. The best anyone can really say is I don't think DO schools have tiers, not DO schools don't have tiers.

by brute force, we have reasoned that some schools are notably better than others

it's a shame some users on here try to shut down any discussion

 

[750335]

by brute force, we have reasoned that some schools are notably better than others

it's a shame some users on here try to shut down any discussion

Haha I don't know what schools rank where but I do think there is at least an implied rank. Never really thought deeply on the subject since I don't care one way or another but maybe people on here who know more can help modify your list based on whatever criteria you were hoping for regardless of how they feel on the subject. Personally, I kinda like where MADD's rank was going with a few minor adjustments 😛

 

[redsox93]

Haha I don't know what schools rank where but I do think there is at least an implied rank. Never really thought deeply on the subject since I don't care one way or another but maybe people on here who know more can help modify your list based on whatever criteria you were hoping for regardless of how they feel on the subject. Personally, I kinda like where MADD's rank was going with a few minor adjustments 😛

So you say you want to have a discussion about DO schools tiers and then bring nothing to the discussion yourself? Why fight so hard to have a discussion then haha

 

[750335]

So you say you want to have a discussion about DO schools tiers and then bring nothing to the discussion yourself? Why fight so hard to have a discussion then haha

I'm not the one that wants to have the discussion, OP is. All I am saying even in the post you quoted is s/he should be allowed that regardless on how we feel on the subject.

 

[redsox93]

I'm not the one that wants to have the discussion, OP is. All I am saying even in the post you quoted is s/he should be allowed that regardless on how we feel on the subject.

That's fair. It would be nice if that could happen but these threads are never productive. There are too many factors to determine what makes one school better than another.

 

[Goro]

Ad nauseum. And pre-meds trying to make sense of what is a competitive residency, and what isn't, is simply a fool's errand.

As is the pre-med obsessive delusion that there are tiers to medical schools. I see this in the pre-Allo forum as well.

Where have we seen this kind of logic before?.....

https://forums.studentdoctor.net/th...nitely-a-pecking-order.1216546/#post-18044285

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

THANK YOU! THIS IS THE ANSWER WE ALL WANTED.

Now that's out of the way, what schools would you say objectively are at the top?

Wut? Did you read the post?

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

by brute force, we have reasoned that some schools are notably better than others

Objectively the state schools and PCOM have the best, most consistent clinical education. They also have true home residency programs that favor their own students. Whether you like it or not they are the best.

Are we no longer discussing "competitive" residencies?

 

[68PGunner]

There isn't a credible ranking list. However, there exists 4-5 DOs that you shouldn't go no matter what. I won't name them bc some posters do attend these schools.

 

[LutGholein]

There isn't a credible ranking list. However, there exists 4-5 DOs that you shouldn't go no matter what. I won't name them bc some posters do attend these schools.

You referring to brand new schools or is this using another metric?

 

[sdhere1234]

There isn't a credible ranking list. However, there exists 4-5 DOs that you shouldn't go no matter what. I won't name them bc some posters do attend these schools.

Even if it was your only acceptance? Highly doubt that.

 

[WhereMyLiberalsAt]

This is what I think of this thread...

 

[68PGunner]

Even if it was your only acceptance? Highly doubt that.

I wouldn't go but I can't speak for others bc I was never placed in that situation in the first place.

 

[sdhere1234]

I wouldn't go but I can't speak for others bc I was never placed in that situation in the first place.

Exactly my point...if it was your one and only acceptance... I'm sure you'd take it.

 

[68PGunner]

Exactly my point...if it was your one and only acceptance... I'm sure you'd take it.

No, I wouldn't go. You don't know me. Everyone has a different line in the sand.

 

[femmegoblue]

Exactly my point...if it was your one and only acceptance... I'm sure you'd take it.

Some would (and should) craft a school list that only includes schools they would attend if it was their only acceptances. I 100% left off that one school (you know what it is) because I would never attend, even if it was my sole acceptance.

 

[WhereMyLiberalsAt]

Some would (and should) craft a school list that only includes schools they would attend if it was their only acceptances. I 100% left off that one school (you know what it is) because I would never attend, even if it was my sole acceptance.

Nah you right. Harvard is too bombastic for me too!

 

[EnigmaticScale]

This is what I think of this thread...

what an edgy post, edgelord

 

[EnigmaticScale]

There isn't a credible ranking list. However, there exists 4-5 DOs that you shouldn't go no matter what. I won't name them bc some posters do attend these schools.

which schools?

 

[doctorbob23]

Id say as a rule of thumb the more old and established schools can help but ultimately what matters is you as the applicant.