Do science majors score higher on the MCAT?

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Do science majors score higher on the MCAT?

I know there isn't any definitive information that gives the answer to this question. But I've given it a lot of thought, and it seems to make sense that they would. More courses in the sciences would give the student the ability to recognize the material a lot more quickly - imagine taking a HS biology exam after college.

Moreso than the fact that you will have more knowledge in the sciences, you will also be able to think analytically. Taking math courses will raise your problem solving skills (basic logic, not necessarily 'math') and regularly reading scientific material will raise your threshold for those long reading passages.

Is my logic correct, or flawed? I know there are many non-science majors who do incredible on the MCAT due to ample studying, but is it true that science majors have an early advantage for this exam?

Discuss.
 
I actually hear that %wise, humanities majors score significantly better.
 
I always heard that physical science majors (physics, chem, engineering, etc) generally score the best?
 
It's really a thinking test... not an undergraduate final exam... so I would doubt that any one major necessarily has a significant advantage over another, assuming that everyone has taken all the pre-requisites.
 
http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2007/mcatgpabymaj07.htm

There's some preliminary information that only includes applicants (some people who sit for the MCAT do not apply).

Data is (almost) as expected:
Verbal reasoning-- humanities majors do best
Physical sciences-- physical sciences majors do best (and mathematics)
Biological sciences-- physical science majors do best 😀

<-- chemist
 
Humanities majors do better than Biological science majors... not surprised at all :-D
Mean VR is a frickin' 10
 
Yes and no. Physics and math majors do the best. But humanities majors tend to do better than bio majors.

It's not hard to see why. Intelligence trumps all. Physics and math majors are flat out smarter than bio majors. They are much more self-selective than bio majors. No one becomes a physics or math major to do premed. You end up in tough majors like physics because you are interested in the subject and/or really good at solving problems. Being a good problem solver is very important for the MCAT because the MCAT is a critical thinking, not a knowledge-based, test.

Humanities majors also tend to perform well. The MCAT is passaged based. Being able to quickly read and comprehend what you read will serve you well on both the verbal and the science sections. Many of the science questions on the MCAT can be solved simply based on info found in the passage. If the science sections consisted solely of discrete questions, I think humanities majors would perform drastically worse than science majors.

Bio majors perform only adequately. Bio is not a tremondously self-selective major. There are a ton of less-than-intelligent kids in it just because they feel they have to major in bio for premed. Bio requires a lot of memorization and regurgitation. Like I said, the MCAT doesn't require much knowledge but it does require critical thinking. Extra bio courses are unlikely to help.
 
I'm strongly considering a major in Biochemistry. The courses include all of the pre-med requirements (very convenient), Biochemistry I and II, Calculus I, II, and III. Physical Chemistry I and II, and some experimental courses.

I know I'm not going to be able to pull off straight A's in all of these courses, but I am really hoping it will give me an MCAT score I can only dream of.

Nothing's certain, but I am a man of probability (and blind optimism.)
 
honestly.. no major will really "help" you. I went with the crowd and majored in Bio simply b/c I didn't know what else to do. If you really really want to, a humanities major which forces you to read will probably help. Anyone can do well on the sciences... not everyone can do well on verbal.

I'm average at bio.. and I'm horrible at the physical sciences (almost got Cs in physics both semesters).. yet I did fine in the end b/c I knew just enough to answer the questions they'd throw at you. You can put the "self-selective physics grad student" to shame on the MCAT if you study the right way. Ofcourse, he'd still be 999x smarter than you... but the adcoms won't know (haha... sorry most of the physics people I know happen to be very arrogant).
 
I think the person's abilities more than the major determines more what the outcomes will be. Grant it, if this is equal among others, then yes it is possible that what is said above could hold true.
 
I'm strongly considering a major in Biochemistry. The courses include all of the pre-med requirements (very convenient), Biochemistry I and II, Calculus I, II, and III. Physical Chemistry I and II, and some experimental courses.

I know I'm not going to be able to pull off straight A's in all of these courses, but I am really hoping it will give me an MCAT score I can only dream of.

Nothing's certain, but I am a man of probability (and blind optimism.)

Calculus 3? Are you sure? My university requires Calc 1 and 2 only. Calc 3 are usually taken by engineer and math majors

I can see why Humanities majors would score higher on VR and physical science majors score better on physical science section. But the real determining factor is how well you prepare for the MCAT.
 
First off, I have never understood how bio majors get beaten by almost every other major on the BS section. I know it's a big group, but shouldn't they (on average) beat most other groups on their section? It's like having a math test with biologists beating the mathematicians.

I agree with most of what was stated above. Most of the people I know that have rocked the MCAT were either physics or math majors - especially physics majors. I think it's because nearly all of their classes involve applied problems and the mathematicians can get sidetracked in stupid crap (topology). I'm surprised that the mathematicians score as well as they do on Verbal (not great, but not dead last). Most people I know in the field are good test takers, but can never get into the upper echelons of scores on Verbal exams. My scores reflect that from SAT I/II, GRE, MCAT, etc.

While they/we have much better problem solving skills, our memories can't take in massive info like theirs. When I switched into pre-med, it took me a few months of painful studying before I could start to learn the sheer amount of information that they normally take in.
 
First off, I have never understood how bio majors get beaten by almost every other major on the BS section. I know it's a big group, but shouldn't they (on average) beat most other groups on their section? It's like having a math test with biologists beating the mathematicians.

I agree with most of what was stated above. Most of the people I know that have rocked the MCAT were either physics or math majors. While they/we have much better problem solving skills, our memories can't take in massive info like theirs. When I switched into pre-med, it took me a few months of studying before I could start to learn the sheer amount of information that they normally take in.

Studying Biology is passive learning.... I mean you don't have to get out of your comfort zone much. So if you're used to passive learning throughout undergrad, you'll tend to study passively for standardized tests as well.
 
Yes and no. Physics and math majors do the best. But humanities majors tend to do better than bio majors.

It's not hard to see why. Intelligence trumps all. Physics and math majors are flat out smarter than bio majors. They are much more self-selective than bio majors. No one becomes a physics or math major to do premed. You end up in tough majors like physics because you are interested in the subject and/or really good at solving problems. Being a good problem solver is very important for the MCAT because the MCAT is a critical thinking, not a knowledge-based, test.

Humanities majors also tend to perform well. The MCAT is passaged based. Being able to quickly read and comprehend what you read will serve you well on both the verbal and the science sections. Many of the science questions on the MCAT can be solved simply based on info found in the passage. If the science sections consisted solely of discrete questions, I think humanities majors would perform drastically worse than science majors.

Bio majors perform only adequately. Bio is not a tremondously self-selective major. There are a ton of less-than-intelligent kids in it just because they feel they have to major in bio for premed. Bio requires a lot of memorization and regurgitation. Like I said, the MCAT doesn't require much knowledge but it does require critical thinking. Extra bio courses are unlikely to help.

I think you are missing a much bigger point. There is an overabundance of bio-majors that are pre-med.
 
It's not hard to see why. Intelligence trumps all. Physics and math majors are flat out smarter than bio majors. They are much more self-selective than bio majors. No one becomes a physics or math major to do premed. You end up in tough majors like physics because you are interested in the subject and/or really good at solving problems. Being a good problem solver is very important for the MCAT because the MCAT is a critical thinking, not a knowledge-based, test.

Humanities majors also tend to perform well. The MCAT is passaged based. Being able to quickly read and comprehend what you read will serve you well on both the verbal and the science sections. Many of the science questions on the MCAT can be solved simply based on info found in the passage. If the science sections consisted solely of discrete questions, I think humanities majors would perform drastically worse than science majors.

Bio majors perform only adequately. Bio is not a tremondously self-selective major. There are a ton of less-than-intelligent kids in it just because they feel they have to major in bio for premed. Bio requires a lot of memorization and regurgitation. Like I said, the MCAT doesn't require much knowledge but it does require critical thinking. Extra bio courses are unlikely to help.

Excellent post! I completely agree.

You gotta realize that the vast majority of non-Bio majors who take the MCAT have been working towards their own major requirements WHILE fulfilling pre-med pre-reqs. So these are the motivated people that then also decide they're ready to take the MCAT - unlike some Bio majors who are "pre-med" and take the MCAT without necessarily being prepared for it.
 
Excellent post! I completely agree.

You gotta realize that the vast majority of non-Bio majors who take the MCAT have been working towards their own major requirements WHILE fulfilling pre-med pre-reqs. So these are the motivated people that then also decide they're ready to take the MCAT - unlike some Bio majors who are "pre-med" and take the MCAT without necessarily being prepared for it.


Indeed, I have NEVER taken a single course offered through the biology department at my school and I still got a 15 on my bio mcats. Everything I know in bio, i learned in HS, working in research, or reading journals. I find it really easy to pick up bio stuff so I don't need to take classes. For mathy stuff however, I find it really hard to read and almost always need somebody directly teaching me. Memorization, i can do, but reasoning, I find kind of difficult so i decided to major in a mathematical science and engineering instead of bio.

Of course, this is not intended to put down bio majors at all. Some of the smartest people I know are bio majors... just that there is a much larger pool of bio majors and it seems to be a default choice for freshmen. A premed doing humanities or engineering has made a conscious choice to take a more difficult route and these people tend to be the stronger students anyways.
 
Half Physics half physio here...

I would definitely agree that the critical thinking skills that you develop in a physics major will really help you on the MCAT. Even though my major was very hard, it absolutely helped me on the MCAT.
 
I took a Kinesiology arts degree.....
with some bio, lots of phys and anatomy and a little biochem....

never took physics, chemistry or orgo at a University level.....

P 11, V 11, B 9 WS R

Just goes to show you, as much a major may help I think it comes down to the person... I didn't take physical science courses but am very strong with relative simple math like that on the MCAT....

Also I choked on a weird bio section haha some of you may point to my lack or orgo... the 2 orgo passages I had saved me.... the bio was unreal with no very very little physiology.... I failed to interpret it as the basic science that it apparently was... I could have sworn the passages were stolen from immunology and genetics masters courses haha
 
Do science majors score higher on the MCAT?

I know there isn't any definitive information that gives the answer to this question. But I've given it a lot of thought, and it seems to make sense that they would. More courses in the sciences would give the student the ability to recognize the material a lot more quickly - imagine taking a HS biology exam after college.

Moreso than the fact that you will have more knowledge in the sciences, you will also be able to think analytically. Taking math courses will raise your problem solving skills (basic logic, not necessarily 'math') and regularly reading scientific material will raise your threshold for those long reading passages.

Is my logic correct, or flawed? I know there are many non-science majors who do incredible on the MCAT due to ample studying, but is it true that science majors have an early advantage for this exam?

Discuss.

I don't think most biololgy majors are asked to think analytically. In fact, most of what I see people doing in my science classes is memorization. Biology, as it is presented in undergrad, is memorization with only a small bit of understanding necessary. There are no logical leaps that need to be taken on behalf of the student. This is how the biology student robs himself of his education and is also why so many bio students have issues with physics--because they are not used to having to put information together themselves. They expect there to be fully worked out examples of every type of problem they're going to do in a homework set in the book. I had the same mentality entering physics and it took a while for my professors to beat it out of me. Now when I sit down with a problem I'm not afraid to think about it for 5-10 minutes before I start writing anything down...and I'm certainly not afraid if I'm 45 minutes into a problem and no solution is in sight. I regularly spend up to 3 hours working a problem. You get a sort of insight into how things work. In this way I think medical school will be a breeze compared to physics.

The humanities does ask for a lot more critical thinking out of a student than does biology. I'm an avid reader and I find that when I talk to literature students they have quite a bit of headway on me when it comes to interpretation. Not to say that their interpretation is correct--but they are constantly thinking and have a more defined paradigm that they're using to analyze literature. I have friends that have never done physics say some very insightful things about physics and physicists from their readings about physics. The study of literature is at it's heart analytical.

Usually when I see a biology student showing off they are just reciting how much of something they can remember. This is because mechanism isn't focused on in biology courses. You don't need to know how something works--or why it works--just that it works and it has this or that name. A class where this was all too common was genetics. Things bind, they unbind, molecules signal eachother, etc. but at the end of the day you know nothing about how these processes work. All you know is a bunch of 3 letter names for genes and some vague terminology(signaling, attaching, etc.) for how they interact.

Another class that comes to mind is organic chemistry--they avoid all touchy questions like "what is spin?" or what the quantum numbers really mean. You just need to know L goes as integers from -L to +L. At the same time I was taking o chem we used methods we learned in calculus 3 and differential equations in physics to separate the schrodinger equation to solve for these numbers explicitly. It was an hour long exercise in class. We even calculated the shapes of the simpler orbitals and then plotted them as homework. I still don't have a clue what physical interpretation a transition state or a mechanism has...but I know it's much more complicated than what is presented in o chem. I didn't understand entropy, enthalpy, or free energy until I took statistical thermodynamics where we derived PV=nRT from scratch and then found all sorts of relations between energy/entropy/probability/temperature. In neurobio I remember the professor explaining to us that the reason some ion channels were selective for certain types of ions is because of how some ions were more ready to give up their water solvation than others due to entropy. I was happy that I understand the entropy argument explicitly and didn't have to settle for the dumbed down version of the potassium molecule simply "not fitting." When we did membrane potential/current problems it was easy to see why things worked the way they did. A lot of times I wonder whether biology students have an idea about how much they're missing...like if you really think mechanisms are like reality or if you know it's much more complicated than what's being presented. Do you guys wonder where PV=nRT comes from? Or what enthalpy is? Or free energy? Entropy?

On a side note, one thing that really bothers me is that you bio majors is that many of you don't understand what a derivative is. This is why teachers always just the delta notation to explain the difference in something. Since you guys don't understand ordinary differential equations you don't understand where any of the equations that involve e^x come from...or even what e means.

In the end I don't know how much critical thinking really comes into play with being a doctor. Of the doctors I've talked to(I come from a large family of them) they say not very much. I mean, you memorize a ton of anatomy and have a cohesive picture of how the body works but it is still a functional type of knowledge that is rooted in empiricism. For a researcher an aptitude for critical thinking is, well, critical.

On the flip side my physics professor told me he got a C in o chem and dropped the class the second quarter. It wasn't for him. Most people in my physics classes cringe at the thought of memorizing huge note sets and think premeds are way too competitive. So I guess it's different strokes for different folks. But you biology majors sure are missing out on understanding the fundamentals of what you're studying and it's very unfair to you. Sadly, physics majors refuse to believe that you can get accustomed to learning large amounts of information in short periods of time and biology majors refuse to believe that you can learn critical thinking skills by practicing. It's a peculiar disposition.

When it comes to the MCAT it is mostly a critical thinking test. Sure you need the background but this is the only part of a bio student's undergrad where they are expected to apply critical thinking skills to solve problems they have never seen before. If you are smart and understand the material you will do well. The VR section is just your ability to understand what is clearly said to you sans a few details. In other words, it's filling in the gaps and making logical assumptions. I don't know of any people that I would consider intelligent that didn't get >30 on the MCAT. In fact, like the SAT, it seemed to reflect the actual ranking of intelligence that I perceived among my peers. But, just like the SAT, you can study for it and learn everything. It is a finite amount of knowledge that is tested and in that sense anyone can score a perfect if they only extend their time spent studying. I don't mean to take on an elitist attitude--just sharing my honest thoughts as a biophysics(biology minor and a physics minor combined) major.

Oh, and in my electrodynamics class of 12 people...the 5 who took the MCAT got a 34, 36, 40, 35, and the other girl won't tell. So at least at my school physics majors do well on the MCAT.
 
First off, I have never understood how bio majors get beaten by almost every other major on the BS section. I know it's a big group, but shouldn't they (on average) beat most other groups on their section? It's like having a math test with biologists beating the mathematicians.

I agree with most of what was stated above. Most of the people I know that have rocked the MCAT were either physics or math majors - especially physics majors. I think it's because nearly all of their classes involve applied problems and the mathematicians can get sidetracked in stupid crap (topology). I'm surprised that the mathematicians score as well as they do on Verbal (not great, but not dead last). Most people I know in the field are good test takers, but can never get into the upper echelons of scores on Verbal exams. My scores reflect that from SAT I/II, GRE, MCAT, etc.

While they/we have much better problem solving skills, our memories can't take in massive info like theirs. When I switched into pre-med, it took me a few months of painful studying before I could start to learn the sheer amount of information that they normally take in.

Damn dude I just checked out your mdapps and you are one smart mother****er. I'm a bit jealous of the breadth of your education. I'm just about where you were a few years ago...graduating with ~3.0 but with classes that would make a man cringe. One of my mentors is actually a biology professor at UT who is brilliant in physics/mathematics at well. I wonder if you know him. I'm sorry to see all those rejections in your list since it looks like you are very capable and definitely a better candidate than any 4.0 wielding undergrad with a B.A. in health promotion. Damn this admission system that shows no forgiveness!
 
I don't think most biololgy majors are asked to think analytically. In fact, most of what I see people doing in my science classes is memorization. Biology, as it is presented in undergrad, is memorization with only a small bit of understanding necessary. There are no logical leaps that need to be taken on behalf of the student. This is how the biology student robs himself of his education and is also why so many bio students have issues with physics--because they are not used to having to put information together themselves. They expect there to be fully worked out examples of every type of problem they're going to do in a homework set in the book. I had the same mentality entering physics and it took a while for my professors to beat it out of me. Now when I sit down with a problem I'm not afraid to think about it for 5-10 minutes before I start writing anything down...and I'm certainly not afraid if I'm 45 minutes into a problem and no solution is in sight. I regularly spend up to 3 hours working a problem. You get a sort of insight into how things work. In this way I think medical school will be a breeze compared to physics....

This is everything that I wanted to say and more, albeit a little less diplomatically. 😛

For what its worth, I've seen both sides of the equation and junkie is largely right. The level of critical thinking is leaps and bounds higher in physics, math etc. than in biology...and its really a shame too. They get students so bogged down in learning all of the proteins, their names and where they are located that the logic and the function of how the body actually functions is largely left out. Of all the biology degrees, physiology in my opinion is the only one that focuses somewhat on function and logic. At my school the problems that you are presented with on an exam will make you think. You'll have to deduce what the effect will be on a system if you add 'X', and you must be able to know the logic of the system to get the right answer. Even so, a large majority of the testable material in physio is still brute memorization. The real meat of understanding does come from sitting down with problems and really thinking about them for hours and hours. Examples of how you could implement this in bio is: thinking about new ways that something might work, proposing a mechanism for a process that is currently mysterious, etc...
There simply aren't any problems like that presented in biology classes (at least cosistently), whereas in physics and math this is the bulk of your education: integrating information to completely new situations that you have never encountered before.

The example that junkie used with quantum numbers is exactly right. I would like to pre-empt the counter argument which is, "But we'll never really have to know WHY this stuff works, we'll just have to learn that it does work and what the various consequences are". Well...ok, but if you have gone through the exercise of really coming up with the solutions yourself and "beating your head against the wall trying to work out some theoretical problem" you are learning HOW to think, rather than WHAT to think. And that is what is going to help you solve the toughtest problems (in life too, not just school!) autonomously.

Sadly, as I compare my physics and math courses with my biology courses I see a huge disparity in the two paradigms of thinking. On physics exams, they do not test problems that you have seen before. You'll have to take the information that you have been taught in class and apply it in a completely novel, and imaginative way...All while under the stress of the exam countdown clock. In my physio classes there would always be a HUGE racous after the exam if the professor put a question down which made the student actually interpet what he was seeing and come up with something novel.

The one physio prof that I did have who wanted to test critical thinking said at the begining of the class "Memorizing is not going to help you on my section of the exam. I am going to test how you THINK about the scenarios presented and not whether you know the hormonal pathways. In fact, your exam is going to be open book and open notes." Let me tell you how glad I was that I had physics professors kicking my butt since freshmen year. His exam was a breeze for me, but because my classmates had never really encountered a course where memorization couldn't get you at least a "B+" they were all infuriated!

I know that when I become a prof I will not be testing memorization. I will be testing thought process and logic.

/rant
 
The one physio prof that I did have that said at the begining of the class "Memorizing is not going to help you on my section of the exam. I am going to test how you THINK about the scenarios presented and not whether you know the hormonal pathways. In fact, your exam is going to be open book and open notes." Let me tell you how glad I was that I had physics professors kicking my butt since freshmen year. His exam was a breeze for me, but because my classmates had never really encountered a course where memorization couldn't get you at least a "B+" they were all infuriated!
That's awesome that you had a great physio prof like that. I've taken a few bio classes, and they're always a disappointment. It's just a lot of memorization...
 
that study would be far more interesting if they included engineering as a separate section.
 
As an engineering major, I agree.

I'm biased, but I think the bioengineers have the best combo in their curriculum - bio, physics AND math!
 
I was a music major and I felt that my degree completely prepared me for the MCAT!! :laugh:

hah, no I studied my *** off for about a month for PS and BS sections before taking the test. Never prepared for VR but ended up getting the same score (+~2 standard deviations) on each section.
 
I actually hear that %wise, humanities majors score significantly better.
I looked at the AAMC stats, its not true. They do perform better in VR though. Engineering/Math/Physics majors tend to score the best overall.
 
While they/we have much better problem solving skills, our memories can't take in massive info like theirs. When I switched into pre-med, it took me a few months of painful studying before I could start to learn the sheer amount of information that they normally take in.

But, almost anybody can "memorize". That's not hard. I finished at the top of my class for all semesters of Physics and Ochem (seems like forever ago, now) despite not putting in much time, however, stick me in a bio class (as a bio major), and while I may come out with a good grade in the end, its a significantly different story as to how I got there. Instead of passively setting the curve, I'm actively trying to keep up with it. I remember putting in 35hrs+ on a single lab report in molecular biology. That's more time than I would spend in a semester of physics doing homework.
 
But, almost anybody can "memorize". That's not hard. I finished at the top of my class for all semesters of Physics and Ochem (seems like forever ago, now) despite not putting in much time, however, stick me in a bio class (as a bio major), and while I may come out with a good grade in the end, its a significantly different story as to how I got there. Instead of passively setting the curve, I'm actively trying to keep up with it. I remember putting in 35hrs+ on a single lab report in molecular biology. That's more time than I would spend in a semester of physics doing homework.

that's what gives bio majors an edge. not for the mcat, but i definitely believe for in med school. think about it...i'm no med student yet but...you have to memorize tons and tons of material. bio majors will already have this skill down cold by the time they finish their bio majors. so while bio is passive learning that takes hours of studying and mostly regurgitation, that's what med school is going to be like. so if you can't stand that, your first 2 years are going to be hell.

i'm a bio major and i agree that it is unfortuately less concepts and more what you can memorize. my best subject has always honestly been math and i always kicked butt in it. i wanted to take SOME math in college so with calc2 credit from HS I took calc3 my freshman year. i kicked butt in it and i really liked it. then for all the premeds, they only require algebra-based physics. virtually, every premed takes that here. i like math tho and actually wanted to know the concepts BEHIND the formulas so i took the engineering physics. my advisor and other annoying premeds were like "what?? why would you take that?? OMG!!" then later my advisor whispered to me "that's good you are taking it...that algebra one really is a bad course." i got an A in physics 1 but a B in physics 2. honestly, tho, i had about the same grade in both but one was a little above a 90 and the other was a lil below haha. going back to calc...most premeds are complaining about having to take calc1...i'm like "JESUS i took that my junior year in HS!!" i also started taking a foreign language on the side just for fun over the past year, went and studied abroad to learn more of it, and so forth. mainly because i'd go crazy with only biology. at times, i honestly felt i was losing my ability to think critically.

all through HS i did debate and forensics, so i went from arguing and questioning everything to not questioniong a single thing in biology. now everyone is taking the MCAT and my fellow bio majors are complaining about how hard the VR is. i don't know...i just started off getting at least 10s on it from the beginning. i think i can attribute that to debate and forensics because that's basically all the VR is. every question is "which of the following would the reader most likely agree or disagree with." it's just straight deductive and reasoning skills. i don't even consider 10-11 be very good or anything on VR, but some bio majors here are seriously struggling with getting better than 5s! they can't read fast enough to finish and it takes them several rereads to comprehend what the passage is saying. i don't know...that sucks for them lol.

in biology...you don't really need to read that much. you memorize A LOT but you can get it all from the powerpoints and lectures. you only need to read in the molecular classes, like histology, advanced cell, genetics, micro, etc. don't get me wrong, tho, you do learn A LOT from a bio major. seriously, even tho i regurgitate all these facts, these facts still become new KNOWLEDGE. sure you forget a lot of it but you form a stronger bio basis than you think. go talk to a nonbio major about biology and then you'll really realize how much you know. i love what i learn from my major, but in order to keep my critical thinking, i try to take other classes to at least make me think on my own a little lol.

btw, i don't know what physics you guys take, but ours is HARD. there's SOO many different problem setups. it takes up SOO much time doing homework. actually, cuz it took so much time i just didn't do it haha. i'm so glad physics is over. i love math, but i really don't like physics.
 
Med school is a ton of memorization. I know a few BMEs (BioMedical Engineers) who are having a hard time simply because they weren't used to memorization.
 
that's what gives bio majors an edge. not for the mcat, but i definitely believe for in med school. think about it...i'm no med student yet but...you have to memorize tons and tons of material. bio majors will already have this skill down cold by the time they finish their bio majors. so while bio is passive learning that takes hours of studying and mostly regurgitation, that's what med school is going to be like. so if you can't stand that, your first 2 years are going to be hell.

i'm a bio major and i agree that it is unfortuately less concepts and more what you can memorize. my best subject has always honestly been math and i always kicked butt in it. i wanted to take SOME math in college so with calc2 credit from HS I took calc3 my freshman year. i kicked butt in it and i really liked it. then for all the premeds, they only require algebra-based physics. virtually, every premed takes that here. i like math tho and actually wanted to know the concepts BEHIND the formulas so i took the engineering physics. my advisor and other annoying premeds were like "what?? why would you take that?? OMG!!" then later my advisor whispered to me "that's good you are taking it...that algebra one really is a bad course." i got an A in physics 1 but a B in physics 2. honestly, tho, i had about the same grade in both but one was a little above a 90 and the other was a lil below haha. going back to calc...most premeds are complaining about having to take calc1...i'm like "JESUS i took that my junior year in HS!!" i also started taking a foreign language on the side just for fun over the past year, went and studied abroad to learn more of it, and so forth. mainly because i'd go crazy with only biology. at times, i honestly felt i was losing my ability to think critically.

all through HS i did debate and forensics, so i went from arguing and questioning everything to not questioniong a single thing in biology. now everyone is taking the MCAT and my fellow bio majors are complaining about how hard the VR is. i don't know...i just started off getting at least 10s on it from the beginning. i think i can attribute that to debate and forensics because that's basically all the VR is. every question is "which of the following would the reader most likely agree or disagree with." it's just straight deductive and reasoning skills. i don't even consider 10-11 be very good or anything on VR, but some bio majors here are seriously struggling with getting better than 5s! they can't read fast enough to finish and it takes them several rereads to comprehend what the passage is saying. i don't know...that sucks for them lol.

in biology...you don't really need to read that much. you memorize A LOT but you can get it all from the powerpoints and lectures. you only need to read in the molecular classes, like histology, advanced cell, genetics, micro, etc. don't get me wrong, tho, you do learn A LOT from a bio major. seriously, even tho i regurgitate all these facts, these facts still become new KNOWLEDGE. sure you forget a lot of it but you form a stronger bio basis than you think. go talk to a nonbio major about biology and then you'll really realize how much you know. i love what i learn from my major, but in order to keep my critical thinking, i try to take other classes to at least make me think on my own a little lol.

btw, i don't know what physics you guys take, but ours is HARD. there's SOO many different problem setups. it takes up SOO much time doing homework. actually, cuz it took so much time i just didn't do it haha. i'm so glad physics is over. i love math, but i really don't like physics.

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As a BME in undergrad, I definitely have to agree with the physical science majors' posts here. Lots of these arguments in Calc III... but I really hated LinAlg. Argh.

In my post-bacc, all the science classes involve a lot of heavy memorization. But I've gotten the hang of it... electronic flashcards have helped a LOT. Working on decreasing the amount of time it takes to assimilate information... I've had to reverse my tendency to be "lazy" and try to think through things, and to feel a need to KNOW things... I'm hoping for a nice medium for medical school.
 
Performance on the MCAT is a function of drive and intelligence. I agree that at most schools Biology majors are easier for people who aren't good at critical thinking, and that classes in the Physical Sciences scare stupid people.

I'll also agree that Biology majors have to memorize more and solve less, but I think it is important to keep in mind that a lot of that is a function of the fact that modern molecular biology and genetics are such young and burgeoning fields (consider how recently we have developed modern genetic approaches). Be careful. You really don't wnat to insinuate that people who aren't interested in deriving the Ideal Gas Law are intellectually inferior--this kind of a pompous attitude will earn you no respect from anyone with a mild degree of maturity.
 
You really don't wnat to insinuate that people who aren't interested in deriving the Ideal Gas Law are intellectually inferior--this kind of a pompous attitude will earn you no respect from anyone with a mild degree of maturity.

Agreed; some of the most intelligent people I know are also the laziest! :laugh:
 
Performance on the MCAT is a function of drive and intelligence. I agree that at most schools Biology majors are easier for people who aren't good at critical thinking, and that classes in the Physical Sciences scare stupid people.

I'll also agree that Biology majors have to memorize more and solve less, but I think it is important to keep in mind that a lot of that is a function of the fact that modern molecular biology and genetics are such young and burgeoning fields (consider how recently we have developed modern genetic approaches). Be careful. You really don't wnat to insinuate that people who aren't interested in deriving the Ideal Gas Law are intellectually inferior--this kind of a pompous attitude will earn you no respect from anyone with a mild degree of maturity.

Meh, we all did bio here so we all know what it is and what it's not. I'm not insinuating anything about biologists or non-physicists either. A person's problem solving ability, or athleticism, or musical talent, or any other skill is just a function of that person's effort. I do think people who are curious and ask questions tend to end up smarter than those who aren't simply because they're taking the time to think about things and form relations between them. What a person chooses to be curious about is their own choice though and I wouldn't put anyone down for not liking physics--except if his only reason for disliking it is that it's hard in which case I might think less of him. If he finds it unrewarding that's another thing.

And ya, we used schroeder. One of the better undergrad texts I've used.
 
I'd suggest from your statements in this thread that you have one very important lesson to learn before attempting to pursue medicine, Humility. I also thought the broad generalizations were pretty comical. BioScience is a pretty diverse range, from a standard Biology major to a Neuroscience major. To try painting it all with the same broad brush is, well, not what I'd expect from an analytical thinker 😱.

I also didn't quite follow the purpose of posting pictures of questions from an intro physics course and then another from 2nd or 3rd year physics. Were people supposed to be surprised that it gets harder after the intro class? Every major is going to be like that.

Interestingly enough I was just looking through the grade distributions for the physics department 3xxx, 4xxx and grad lvl. courses here and they issue a higher percentage of A's than OChem, BioC etc. If you're not pulling A's in physics it's not because it's so hard, it's because your classmates are that much better than you. Most grades are just an indicator of how you stacked up against your peers. Arguably the hardest courses are the ones with the smallest percentage of A's.

At the same time I would agree that general biology does fill with a plethora of wishful thinkers that watched one too many episodes of Grey's Anatomy. This likely does really depress the overall average score of Bioscience majors.


Meh, we all did bio here so we all know what it is and what it's not. I'm not insinuating anything about biologists or non-physicists either. A person's problem solving ability, or athleticism, or musical talent, or any other skill is just a function of that person's effort. I do think people who are curious and ask questions tend to end up smarter than those who aren't simply because they're taking the time to think about things and form relations between them. What a person chooses to be curious about is their own choice though and I wouldn't put anyone down for not liking physics--except if his only reason for disliking it is that it's hard in which case I might think less of him. If he finds it unrewarding that's another thing.

And ya, we used schroeder. One of the better undergrad texts I've used.
 
I have an article that the New York Times published that stated that doctors need to be english majors. It said in th article that humanities tend to do better on the MCAT, but it was not a significant increase.
 
I have an article that the New York Times published that stated that doctors need to be english majors. It said in th article that humanities tend to do better on the MCAT, but it was not a significant increase.
Well, that's just another example of irresponsible reporting (which has become all too common).

Look at the AAMC stats yourself. Humanities majors tend to do a tiny bit better at verbal, but not on the rest of the test.
 
I really think that the major you choose in no way affects one's MCAT score. A more likely explanation for the data presented is the certain types of people who choose certain types of majors. A physics math double major who scored a 40 would likely have gotten a 40 regardless of his or her major because they are very smart and hardworking. Likewise a Bio major who got a 25 would likely have gotten a 25 regardless of their major.

Basically, to all you Freshman and Sophomores out there, don't think that if you choose physics and math over biology you are adding points to your MCAT.
 
I really think that the major you choose in no way affects one's MCAT score. A more likely explanation for the data presented is the certain types of people who choose certain types of majors. A physics math double major who scored a 40 would likely have gotten a 40 regardless of his or her major because they are very smart and hardworking. Likewise a Bio major who got a 25 would likely have gotten a 25 regardless of their major.

Basically, to all you Freshman and Sophomores out there, don't think that if you choose physics and math over biology you are adding points to your MCAT.

Yeah... you probably won't get as high of a GPA in engineering/physical sciences as you would in Bio 😉
 
I really think that the major you choose in no way affects one's MCAT score. A more likely explanation for the data presented is the certain types of people who choose certain types of majors. A physics math double major who scored a 40 would likely have gotten a 40 regardless of his or her major because they are very smart and hardworking. Likewise a Bio major who got a 25 would likely have gotten a 25 regardless of their major.

Basically, to all you Freshman and Sophomores out there, don't think that if you choose physics and math over biology you are adding points to your MCAT.

I disagree. There are intelligent people spanning all of the majors in college, but taking specific courses definitely stimulates different parts of your brain and affects your thinking.

Biology majors are used to memorizing things. I know a lot of Bio majors who are comfortable with math and problem solving, but the truth is that after ~4 years loaded with classes that demand memorization, it's strange to come back to analytical thinking.

Of course, it's still possible to do well. Of course, majors aren't definite clues as to how you'll do on your MCAT. We're just speculating and comparing statics. It's the point of the thread, and it's fun.
 
I disagree. There are intelligent people spanning all of the majors in college, but taking specific courses definitely stimulates different parts of your brain and affects your thinking.

Biology majors are used to memorizing things. I know a lot of Bio majors who are comfortable with math and problem solving, but the truth is that after ~4 years loaded with classes that demand memorization, it's strange to come back to analytical thinking.

Of course, it's still possible to do well. Of course, majors aren't definite clues as to how you'll do on your MCAT. We're just speculating and comparing statics. It's the point of the thread, and it's fun.

i second that. i'm a bio major and analytical thinking used to be my forte. after 3 years, i miss critical thinking. in HS it was more well rounded but not anymore. i have taken a few classes here and there to keep up with some analytical skills, like math, the engineering physics instead of algebra-based requirement, some foreign language, but still...would like to have taken some history for sure. i don't think i'd want to take higher math...i took calc3 freshman year and stopped there. the higher math is all proofs...no thanks! i woudlnt mind doing DiffEQ and then stopping.

but bozz is right, memorizing skills>analytical skills in med school. and i definitely have the memorizing dowwwn. i mean, i have a test tomorrow morning on ALGAE. does anyone know how BORING algae is? an ENTIRE CLASS ON IT, yet i somehow made myself memorize all this garbage. it's pretty amazing, and sad haha
 
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