DO; to remain separate or merge with MD?

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And that is?

Im not sure, but I remember reading on another thread someone(aspDO?) explaining that FMGs are granted their US M.D. during residency or fellowship, so that they can practice med in the states.

I believe what he is saying here is that DO students should have the chance to gain MD if they complete an ACGME residency or fellowship

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Im not sure, but I remember reading on another thread someone(aspDO?) explaining that FMGs are granted their US M.D. during residency or fellowship, so that they can practice med in the states.

I believe what he is saying here is that DO students should have the chance to gain MD if they complete an ACGME residency or fellowship

US FMG's get their degree from institute, such as SGU or Ross.
 
US FMG's get their degree from institute, such as SGU or Ross.

So Ive always thought...Ill try to find the thread and link it here. Maybe someone else has something to say about it.
 
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So Ive always thought...Ill try to find the thread and link it here. Maybe someone else has something to say about it.
And so it's always been. That's why their diploma is from St. George's University or whatever other Caribbean school they attended. Residencies don't confer upon degrees.
 
And so it's always been. That's why their diploma is from St. George's University or whatever other Caribbean school they attended. Residencies don't confer upon degrees.

I think he's confusing degrees with licensing.

And why would a DO need an MD? Unless you're just trying to hide the fact you were a DO.
 
I think he's confusing degrees with licensing.

And why would a DO need an MD? Unless you're just trying to hide the fact you were a DO.

Probably...I'm just relaying info, so I'm not sure if I've misquoted him or not
 
I think he's confusing degrees with licensing.

And why would a DO need an MD? Unless you're just trying to hide the fact you were a DO.
Please, read below as the responses to the bolded parts of your last ignorant post.

First, let's look at what foreign countries give their medical school graduates as degrees:
In the United Kingdom, those training for the medical profession complete either a 5–6 year course of study or an accelerated 4-year graduate entry course of study that leads to the degree of Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS or MBChB, standing for the Latin Medicinae Baccalaureus et Chirurgiae Baccalaureus). The higher postgraduate degree of Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) is reserved for those who can prove a particular distinction in the field, usually through a body of published work or the submission of a dissertation. To be eligible for a MD degree in the UK one must already hold an entry level medical degree (for example, MBBS, MBChB, BMed, or a North American MD degree) and usually must have had at least 5 years of post graduate training and experience.

In India, MBBS and BDS (graduate entry) medical degree is required to become a doctor. The higher postgraduate Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) is required to become a specialist in a particular field.

In German language-speaking countries, the word Doktor always refers to a research doctorate awardee, and is distinct from Arzt, which is given to a medical practitioner.

In the Dutch language the word "dokter" refers to a physician, whereas "doctor" refers to high academic rank.

A French medical degree is called "Un diplôme d'État de docteur en médecine" which is distinct from a (research) doctorate, "Un doctorat (de recherche)"

Hong Kong follows British practice in calling physicians "Doctor" even though many of them hold only an MBBS qualification.

In Turkey, a future European Union country, gives the "Dr" title before the physician's name, eg. "Dr. Tarkan", etc.
Now, learning that the foreign medical graduates aren't given an American M.D. degree by default by their medical schools, the interesting question is who gives them this American M.D. degree and why?

The answer: the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates gives them the title in order for them to get eligible to apply to ACGME residency spots. FMGs provide with their diplomas, transcripts, and USMLE (1 and 2) scores, and an evaluation fee. That's all!..

Licensing, however, is done soon after your first-year of residency training (i.e., intership) by the State government of where you're gonna practice. Some states still require your application to get re-licensed at their state even after than that (California comes to mind.)

But, hey, DOs are also applying to those residency spots, no? What the heck is different between those all-American-physicians (DOs) and those FMGs?

Now, it's time for you to answer the same question. Please, enlighten us:

Are those millions of foreign medical graduates (FMGs), who are being accredited in the States as "MD physician", hiding something? Why aren't they allowed to hold their original medical degrees?
 
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Please, read below as the responses to the bolded parts of your last ignorant post.

First, let's look at what foreign countries give their medical school graduates as degrees:
In the United Kingdom, those training for the medical profession complete either a 5–6 year course of study or an accelerated 4-year graduate entry course of study that leads to the degree of Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS or MBChB, standing for the Latin Medicinae Baccalaureus et Chirurgiae Baccalaureus). The higher postgraduate degree of Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) is reserved for those who can prove a particular distinction in the field, usually through a body of published work or the submission of a dissertation. To be eligible for a MD degree in the UK one must already hold an entry level medical degree (for example, MBBS, MBChB, BMed, or a North American MD degree) and usually must have had at least 5 years of post graduate training and experience.

In India, MBBS and BDS (graduate entry) medical degree is required to become a doctor. The higher postgraduate Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) is required to become a specialist in a particular field.

In German language-speaking countries, the word Doktor always refers to a research doctorate awardee, and is distinct from Arzt, which is given to a medical practitioner.

In the Dutch language the word "dokter" refers to a physician, whereas "doctor" refers to high academic rank.

A French medical degree is called "Un diplôme d'État de docteur en médecine" which is distinct from a (research) doctorate, "Un doctorat (de recherche)"

Hong Kong follows British practice in calling physicians "Doctor" even though many of them hold only an MBBS qualification.

In Turkey, a future European Union country, gives the "Dr" title before the physician's name, eg. "Dr. Tarkan", etc.
Now, learning that the foreign medical graduates aren't given an American M.D. degree by default by their medical schools, the interesting question is who gives them this American M.D. degree and why?

The answer: the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates gives them the title in order for them to get eligible to apply to ACGME residency spots. FMGs provide with their diplomas, transcripts, and USMLE (1 and 2) scores, and an evaluation fee. That's all!..

But, hey, DOs are also applying to those residency spots, no? What the heck is different between those all-American-physicians (DOs) and those FMGs?

Now, it's time for you to answer the same question. Please, enlighten us:

Are those millions of foreign medical graduates (FMGs), who are being accredited in the States as "MD physician", hiding something? Why aren't they allowed to hold their original medical degrees?

I wouldn't worry about it...I've come to find that JD is sometimes more concerned with finding a fault or delivering a little zinger here and there than understanding the meaning or carrying on a conversation.

I see your point and this thread is about ideas, not hashing out who knows more about the ACGME or AOA. It about whether people want to keep DO separate or merge with the MD degree and possibilities how this could be accomplished.

In light of that, regardless of the details of whats going on today with FMGs or IMGs, I think you had a valid point: They need something more than the degree they got from their Med school in order to practice in the US. They get it from residencies and fellowships. So, a logical thought would be that if you wanted DOs to have the MD degree, one way to do that would be to grant it if they did an ACGME residency or fellowship. Not a crazy idea. (also, not hiding their DO degree, that was just a zinger...I would ignore that part) :thumbup:
 
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