DO vs. Caribbean MD

[missdoc91]

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[darklabel]

Hello everyone,
I am very confused and trying to choose between going to DO or Caribbean MD. I am california resident and really don't know much about DO. I don't know which one would be a better route.

DO

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Long version: in 4 years, you'll have problems getting residency as an IMG while with DO, even a below average applicant can match in Family Medicine and still can practice medicine.

 

[user3]

 

[NeuroLAX]

DO >>> Caribbean MD. You're welcome.

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[DrMaximus]

DO.

 

[Radon XP]

Definitely DO.

 

[whatbout2morrow]

DO.

Get yourself into Western or TUCOM-CA and you'll even get to stay in California.

Finding a residency spot as a Carib grad will be a nightmare when you graduate.

Further, if you decide to go Carib and don't attend SGU, Ross, AUC, Saba or AUA, you will never get a license in California even if you somehow manage to find a residency.

 

[whatever5]

Well really it depends on what you want - if you want:

1. To put the initials MD after your name, go Carib!

2. A residency, go DO!

 

[TriagePreMed]

 

[cliquesh]

The acgme match rate for Caribbean graduates in 50%. It is 75% for DOs. DOs also have their own residencies. As a result, virtually all DOs get a post graduate training position.

 

[Darthberghen]

You're a California premed and you don't know how to use a search button or click on the scroll bar to view older threads?

 

[Anicetus]

The acgme match rate for Caribbean graduates in 50%. It is 75% for DOs. DOs also have their own residencies. As a result, virtually all DOs get a post graduate training position.

That's ACGME though for Caribbean.

Whats the match rate for ACGME for DO?

 

[DrMaximus]

That's ACGME though for Caribbean.

Whats the match rate for ACGME for DO?

I think that's the ACGME match for DO. The total match for DO is much higher. Cue epic SDN stats gurus.

 

[B1acksocks]

I think that's the ACGME match for DO. The total match for DO is much higher. Cue epic SDN stats gurus.

Here's the NRMP data from 2011.
US MD Match Rate: 94.40%
US DO Match Rate: 71.70%
US IMG Match Rate: 50.00%

If you include DO students who matched in AOA, 89.19% (3456 matches/3875 graduates) of DO students matched somewhere.

Source: https://sites.google.com/site/osteopathicreference/download-1. Check out the second link on the page.

 

[cliquesh]

That's ACGME though for Caribbean.

Whats the match rate for ACGME for DO?

Sorry if I was somehow unclear. The acgme match rate for DOs in the 2013 match was 75%. The AOA match rate in 2013 was 78%. After the scramble/soap nearly all DOs, like 99%, found a post graduate training position

 

[Temperature101]

Sorry if I was somehow unclear. The acgme match rate for DOs in the 2013 match was 75%. The AOA match rate in 2013 was 78%. After the scramble/soap nearly all DOs, like 99%, find a post graduate training position

Even a dead beat DO student will match somewhere! Good to know though... I still don't get why someone wiould choose Carib over DO..

 

[sazerac]

Even a dead beat DO student will match somewhere! Good to know though... I still don't get why someone will choose Carib over DO..

Better pizza at the on-campus presentation.

 

[NeuroLAX]

Better pizza at the on-campus presentation.

 

[Anicetus]

Sorry if I was somehow unclear. The acgme match rate for DOs in the 2013 match was 75%. The AOA match rate in 2013 was 78%. After the scramble/soap nearly all DOs, like 99%, found a post graduate training position

I'm sold 😎

 

[Roxas]

I think that's the ACGME match for DO. The total match for DO is much higher. Cue epic SDN stats gurus.

Here's the NRMP data from 2011.
US MD Match Rate: 94.40%
US DO Match Rate: 71.70%
US IMG Match Rate: 50.00%

If you include DO students who matched in AOA, 89.19% (3456 matches/3875 graduates) of DO students matched somewhere.

Source: https://sites.google.com/site/osteopathicreference/download-1. Check out the second link on the page.

This literally made me lol 👍

 

[LiamNeesons]

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[coolingglasses]

Better pizza at the on-campus presentation.

Bet that pizza is pretty good.

 

[doctorold]

Now that the "one match" thing is canceled, don't things look better for the Caribbean big 4 graduates?

 

[edgerock24]

Now that the "one match" thing is canceled, don't things look better for the Caribbean big 4 graduates?

I'm not an expert by any means on this subject, but doesn't the "one match" concept not really matter in this light? What I mean is, there is still a shortage of residency spots upcoming...regardless of any combination of MD/DO residencies. Therefore, IMG's may still have problems matching in the future unless more residency spots are added.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Now that the "one match" thing is canceled, don't things look better for the Caribbean big 4 graduates?

Not really, it's still god awful.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Now that the "one match" thing is canceled, don't things look better for the Caribbean big 4 graduates?

I was under the impression that with the "one match thing" foreign graduates could match into allopathic and osteopathic residencies. So why would the cancellation make it better?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I was under the impression that with the "one match thing" foreign graduates could match into allopathic and osteopathic residencies. So why would the cancellation make it better?

Because there was no indication that DO residencies would be open to anyone beyond DOs. That being said this merger was a giant push to exclude IMGs from the match.

 

[IslandStyle808]

Because there was no indication that DO residencies would be open to anyone beyond DOs. That being said this merger was a giant push to exclude IMGs from the match.

I had a feeling that might be the case but wasn't sure. I wonder what the benefit was for the allopathic side if the merger went through though?

 

[darklabel]

I had a feeling that might be the case but wasn't sure. I wonder what the benefit was for the allopathic side if the merger went through though?

For MD students, more competitive slots (such as Ortho)

For the ACGME, the ability to influence ALL residencies in the US.

 

[IslandStyle808]

For MD students, more competitive slots (such as Ortho)

For the ACGME, the ability to influence ALL residencies in the US.

Okay I am starting to get it. The MD students would be able to apply to the more competitive slots because more DO students would be doing the AOA residencies that would have been under the ACGME.

 

[Conflagration]

Where did you get this picture?

Another thing that wasn't mentioned, if you're looking into different ways to paying off your medical school debt: the military could help pay for your DO degree in exchange for a commitment of service. If you went Caribbean, you wouldn't have that option.

That and US residencies are easier to come by as a DO, which has been mentioned previous times.

And who doesn't want to learn manipulative medicine?

 

[pattr]

Another thing that wasn't mentioned, if you're looking into different ways to paying off your medical school debt: the military could help pay for your DO degree in exchange for a commitment of service. If you went Caribbean, you wouldn't have that option.

VERY important and good point. 👍

 

[DrMaximus]

Where did you get this picture?

Another thing that wasn't mentioned, if you're looking into different ways to paying off your medical school debt: the military could help pay for your DO degree in exchange for a commitment of service. If you went Caribbean, you wouldn't have that option.

That and US residencies are easier to come by as a DO, which has been mentioned previous times.

And who doesn't want to learn manipulative medicine?

That is a very important point.





Oh, you meant the other part of that quote. Yeah, guess that's important, too. 😛

 

[Frank l]

Let me brutally honest here....if you are questioning whether a particular route to becoming a doctor is worth it...then you don't deserve to be a doctor. If there is a point at which you say "if have to go Caribbean/DO to be a doctor then I don't want to do it"....you don't deserve to be a doctor. If you say, "will this path prevent me from becoming a dermatologist/radiologist/orthopedic surgeon/?"....you don't deserve to be a doctor. Caring for patients is a privilege. The chance to do it in any capacity is an overwhelming honor. If you denigrate it by putting your own pride ahead of the profession, then you don't deserve any part of it. I realize I may be coming on a little strong, but I have been around long enough to know that this question repeats itself far too often, and should never be considered acceptable. The question is never MD/DO/Carribean, the question is: Do you want to be a doctor? If the answer is yes, nothing else matters.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Let me brutally honest here....if you are questioning whether a particular route to becoming a doctor is worth it...then you don't deserve to be a doctor. If there is a point at which you say "if have to go Caribbean/DO to be a doctor then I don't want to do it"....you don't deserve to be a doctor. If you say, "will this path prevent me from becoming a dermatologist/radiologist/orthopedic surgeon/?"....you don't deserve to be a doctor. Caring for patients is a privilege. The chance to do it in any capacity is an overwhelming honor. If you denigrate it by putting your own pride ahead of the profession, then you don't deserve any part of it. I realize I may be coming on a little strong, but I have been around long enough to know that this question repeats itself far too often, and should never be considered acceptable. The question is never MD/DO/Carribean, the question is: Do you want to be a doctor? If the answer is yes, nothing else matters.

You my friend are on your way to earning a Darwin award.


No seriously, you just wrote a textbook definition of a strawman and an excerpt on how not to live your life if you want to be happy.


Actually you'll probably make a great surgeon.

 

[coolingglasses]

Let me brutally honest here....if you are questioning whether a particular route to becoming a doctor is worth it...then you don't deserve to be a doctor. If there is a point at which you say "if have to go Caribbean/DO to be a doctor then I don't want to do it"....you don't deserve to be a doctor. If you say, "will this path prevent me from becoming a dermatologist/radiologist/orthopedic surgeon/?"....you don't deserve to be a doctor. Caring for patients is a privilege. The chance to do it in any capacity is an overwhelming honor. If you denigrate it by putting your own pride ahead of the profession, then you don't deserve any part of it. I realize I may be coming on a little strong, but I have been around long enough to know that this question repeats itself far too often, and should never be considered acceptable. The question is never MD/DO/Carribean, the question is: Do you want to be a doctor? If the answer is yes, nothing else matters.

Save it for your personal statement, tiger.

 

[Anicetus]

Save it for your personal statement, tiger.

Heck, save it for the Personal Statement when applying to residencies.

 

[Frank l]

You my friend are on your way to earning a Darwin award.


No seriously, you just wrote a textbook definition of a strawman and an excerpt on how not to live your life if you want to be happy.


Actually you'll probably make a great surgeon.

My profile is misleading since I haven't updated it in a while. I'm a 3rd year IM resident. I deal with way too many students/interns who care more about the letters behind their name than caring for patients. They are worthless on the wards.