Do we practice on other students?? You know local Anesthesia

[pre-dent]

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Hello everyone,

I LOVE DENTISTRY. This is what I want to do!!!

One downfall for me is the local Anesthesia part. I heard from tons of people, that you learn it by practicing on other students. This means they will practice on me as well right???? I am terrified of this. 😱 I'll proly pass out Can they GAS me when they practice on me.
I have seen Anesthesia delivered thousands of times and many times it's not a pretty site.
Anyone who is in d-school, can you please explain how it will work??

Thanks

Mel

 

[crazy_sherm]

Yes you practice on each other because you need to know what it's like to both receive and deliver anesthesia. Otherwise, how would you know what your patients feel or don't feel? If you're scared of needles, you better start getting over it because it's going to be a big part of your life pretty soon.

 

[polarnut]

Hello everyone,

I LOVE DENTISTRY. This is what I want to do!!!

One downfall for me is the local Anesthesia part. I heard from tons of people, that you learn it by practicing on other students. This means they will practice on me as well right???? I am terrified of this. 😱 I'll proly pass out Can they GAS me when they practice on me.
I have seen Anesthesia delivered thousands of times and many times it's not a pretty site.
Anyone who is in d-school, can you please explain how it will work??

Thanks

Mel

how old are you again?

 

[dentwannabe]

what year do we begin this local practice?

 

[v&andy_yankee]

yes, you practice on each other

But...it is optional. But in order to give injections, you must receive a few from your buddies. If you're really terrified of needles, you COULD just wait to practice on a real patient rather than your buddies...but I think I would rather practice on my buddies first to get a feel of things.

 

[pre-dent]

ignore this one 🙄

 

[pre-dent]

how old are you again?

I am 22 but this does not mean I can't be afraid of needles. 😛

Aren't we all kind of afraid of them. I don't think anybody likes to go through this. 😱


Mel

 

[pre-dent]

what year do we begin this local practice?

Yeah that's a good question, what year do you start??



Mel 😀

 

[cba]

yes, you practice on each other

But...it is optional. But in order to give injections, you must receive a few from your buddies. If you're really terrified of needles, you COULD just wait to practice on a real patient rather than your buddies...but I think I would rather practice on my buddies first to get a feel of things.

Is it optional in all schools? Or is it mandatory in some?

 

[LadyxJC]

not all schools have students practice on each other, although I think the majority do~

 

[galangvu]

I am 22 but this does not mean I can't be afraid of needles. 😛

Aren't we all kind of afraid of them. I don't think anybody likes to go through this. 😱


Mel

well, just close your eyes and open your mouth and go to a happy place. the happy place might include ant bites in your mouth 😀

 

[natsipoo]

Yes you practice on each other because you need to know what it's like ........ how would you know what your patients feel or don't feel?

So I'm sitting here watching "Birthday" and wondering, what if OBGYNs were required to give birth in order to appreciate what their patients feel. Totally random, I need to turn that t.v. off.

 

[cys19]

whenever i pop the cap of a needle, i always end up stabbing myself b/c the cap is always so tightly sealed. (then i stick it into someone else.) how do you keep that from happening?

 

[galangvu]

whenever i pop the cap of a needle, i always end up stabbing myself b/c the cap is always so tightly sealed. (then i stick it into someone else.) how do you keep that from happening?

umm take your time and wiggle it off first.... and if you stuck yourself with the needle... you shouldnt be sticking that needle in anyone else!!!! 😱

 

[KOM]

whenever i pop the cap of a needle, i always end up stabbing myself b/c the cap is always so tightly sealed. (then i stick it into someone else.) how do you keep that from happening?

You've got to be kidding?

You stab yourself and then use the same needle on someone else?

Ya see...now that's the making of a great doc right there.

 

[mlle]

You've got to be kidding?

You stab yourself and then use the same needle on someone else?

Ya see...now that's the making of a great doc right there.

it's a joke, cys19's a predent boys and girls.

 

[pre-dent]

whenever i pop the cap of a needle, i always end up stabbing myself b/c the cap is always so tightly sealed. (then i stick it into someone else.) how do you keep that from happening?

NASTY!!!

 

[toysareus]

At NYU it is mandatory to practice on each other unless you get some medical excuse. It's not a big deal. An Oral surgeon stands next to you and guides you during the injection. I don't know what you are so afraid of.
Of course everyone is a bit afraid of needles, but if you're a dentist, it's something you use every day.

 

[mlle]

At NYU it is mandatory to practice on each other unless you get some medical excuse. It's not a big deal. An Oral surgeon stands next to you and guides you during the injection. I don't know what you are so afraid of.
Of course everyone is a bit afraid of needles, but if you're a dentist, it's something you use every day.

i'd be afraid of an incompetent peer.

 

[pre-dent]

i'd be afraid of an incompetent peer.

EXACTLY!!! RIGHT ON mlle.


Who wants to be a Guinea pig right?? 😱



Mel 😀

 

[pre-dent]

At NYU it is mandatory to practice on each other unless you get some medical excuse. It's not a big deal. An Oral surgeon stands next to you and guides you during the injection. I don't know what you are so afraid of.
Of course everyone is a bit afraid of needles, but if you're a dentist, it's something you use every day.

It won't be a problem to give shots, but to receive is the problem. I'm scared


Mel 😀

 

[pre-dent]

well, just close your eyes and open your mouth and go to a happy place. the happy place might include ant bites in your mouth 😀

More like an ANACONDA bite.


Mel 😀

 

[toofache32]

Just be glad you're not in med school. The male students have everyone practice prostate exams on them and the female students have to let everyone practice pelvic exams.

 

[pre-dent]

Just be glad you're not in med school. The male students have everyone practice prostate exams on them and the female students have to let everyone practice pelvic exams.

I have a friend in his 3rd year at UCLA medical school and he said that this is not true, at least at UCLA. Pelvic exams and prostate exams don't hurt like needles.
Some people like prostate and pelvic exams though

I know they practice drawing blood and IV's (intravenous). That sucks. I rather take it in the mouth than anywhere else.

Mel 😀

 

[polarnut]

needles dont scare people. people scare people!

there are many precautions/steps you can take to maximize patient comfort and minimize the prickly sensation upon delivery of your lidocaine. but i've seen too many 50, 60 year old OLD dentists just pop the cap and ram that needle down patient's throat. sad 😎

 

[v&andy_yankee]

Just be glad you're not in med school. The male students have everyone practice prostate exams on them and the female students have to let everyone practice pelvic exams.

😉
just for those who bought this (hook, line, sinker) this isn't true. most schools pay "professionals" who allow med students to do pelvic exams and such on them

 

[HermeytheElf]

😉
just for those who bought this (hook, line, sinker) this isn't true. most schools pay "professionals" who allow med students to do pelvic exams and such on them

So when toofache told me that during residency orthopods have to break each others arms and set them for practice...was that a lie too? I feel so used.

 

[wigglytooth]

😉
just for those who bought this (hook, line, sinker) this isn't true. most schools pay "professionals" who allow med students to do pelvic exams and such on them

Imagine getting paid for getting a hand up your butt...

Discuss.

 

[pre-dent]

Imagine getting paid for getting a hand up your butt...

Discuss.

Like I said before some people like it! What better way than getting paid for what you like to do. 😛


Mel 😀

 

[toofache32]

😉
just for those who bought this (hook, line, sinker) this isn't true. most schools pay "professionals" who allow med students to do pelvic exams and such on them

Awww, come on....you guys are no fun.

When I was in med school we learned pelvic exams on paid volunteers recruited by the OB/GYN department. They would do this maybe once a month....so often that the students were way more nervous then they were. My first time was some lady who was staring off into space with a strange look on her face. I said, "is this hurting you?" and she said, "oh no...I was just trying to remember what I'm supposed to get at the grocery store on the way home."

We didn't actually practice prostate exams...we just did it during our 3rd year rotations. My resident told me "take your finger and just hub it, then feel all around."

 

[toofache32]

... I rather take it in the mouth than anywhere else.

I'm not touching this one.

 

[KOM]

I'm not touching this one.

Beat me to it.

 

[ItsGavinC]

I'm not touching this one.

That's a first. I feel as though a celebration of some sort is in order.

 

[armorshell]

Just be glad you're not in Optometry school. They practice giving each other shots in the eye

The horrible thing is I'm not joking either, I have a friend who goes to Pacific. He said you can watch the needle go right in *shivers*

 

[pre-dent]

Just be glad you're not in Optometry school. They practice giving each other shots in the eye

The horrible thing is I'm not joking either, I have a friend who goes to Pacific. He said you can watch the needle go right in *shivers*

😱 😱 😱

 

[Yah-E]

Just be glad you're not in Optometry school. They practice giving each other shots in the eye

The horrible thing is I'm not joking either, I have a friend who goes to Pacific. He said you can watch the needle go right in *shivers*

This is BS, I know a ton of Optometry students at NSU, unless Pacific is teaching voodoo optometry, optometry don't use needles to the eye! They have anesthetic eye drops.

 

[polarnut]

did you know if you stab someone enough times with a needle, you can kill him?

 

[mlle]

did you know if you stab someone enough times with a needle, you can kill him?

how many times?

 

[polarnut]

death results not from loss of blood, but from neuro damage and complications

 

[polarnut]

how many times?

dunno, but im assuming hundreds of thousands

 

[HermeytheElf]

how many times?

With the right size needle and proper insertion...just once. By just randomly stabbing with a small (~27 gauge) needle...I'm guessing quite a few times. Think about accupuncture...thats quite a few stab wounds and its actually supposed to help.

 

[Sk8aBull]

With the right size needle and proper insertion...just once. By just randomly stabbing with a small (~27 gauge) needle...I'm guessing quite a few times. Think about accupuncture...thats quite a few stab wounds and its actually supposed to help.

Har har har... acupuncture does not yield stab wounds. I had about 15 acupuncture needles in me today. I don't mind them at all b/c they do not hurt or anything... but bust out a hypodermic needle and I'm running away. Me on injection practicing day will not be a pretty picture.

 

[zbruinz]

whenever i pop the cap of a needle, i always end up stabbing myself b/c the cap is always so tightly sealed. (then i stick it into someone else.) how do you keep that from happening?

LOL. this is the funniest **** i have ever read on SDN, you crack me up!!!

 

[RDHwife]

Believe me, when the time comes, you will be much more nervous to give than to recieve. I was so nervous about giving somebody a hematoma or hurting them. It really was so much better than I thought. A doctor stands right over you and practically does every step for you.

Not to scare the op even more, but a few people in our class got hematomas( big bruise) I was one of them and I had a big green cheek for about 3 weeks

 

[pre-dent]

Believe me, when the time comes, you will be much more nervous to give than to recieve. I was so nervous about giving somebody a hematoma or hurting them. It really was so much better than I thought. A doctor stands right over you and practically does every step for you.

Not to scare the op even more, but a few people in our class got hematomas( big bruise) I was one of them and I had a big green cheek for about 3 weeks

😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 NO NO NO NO PLEASE NO DON'T TELL ME THIS.
I JUST PASSED OUT!

 

[toofache32]

Believe me, when the time comes, you will be much more nervous to give than to recieve....

trying....to....bite.....my....tongue.....must.....refrain.....ahhhhhhhh.....

 

[armorshell]

This is BS, I know a ton of Optometry students at NSU, unless Pacific is teaching voodoo optometry, optometry don't use needles to the eye! They have anesthetic eye drops.

I just talked to him again, apparently he was semi bs-ing when he told me. They don't do injections into the eyeball, but they do practice injections into the skin directly beneath the eye.

Still crazy though.

 

[Richie Truxillo]

:As a 3rd year medical student, I share your pain regarding needles. We practiced IVs and Blood draws and PPDs on each other. To avoid the pain from getting a huge hematoma I bought some Topicane (5% lidocaine) gel. It works really well, especially in the mouth when I've accidently bitten my cheek. I don't think it's FDA approved or anything but surf it up on the net. Worked well the day I did my first blood draw. I hit my vein painlessly first try, my female partner took 3 stabs at it.

One of my good friends just graduated from dental school. They do practice on each other but it's kinda one of those rite of passage things I guess. Look on the bright side, you're not going to practice phelbotomy on each other all the time. 👍

Trypanophobia is more widespread than you might think Mel, as no one likes getting stuck.

To dispel some rumors hehe:
There are anesthetic eye drops for the eye...and we practice prostate exams and pelvics on real patients thru a free volunteer student clinic setup by the school. We never practiced those on each other, though we did put drops in each other's eyes a couple times. 👍

 

[pre-dent]

:As a 3rd year medical student, I share your pain regarding needles. We practiced IVs and Blood draws and PPDs on each other. To avoid the pain from getting a huge hematoma I bought some Topicane (5% lidocaine) gel. It works really well, especially in the mouth when I've accidently bitten my cheek. I don't think it's FDA approved or anything but surf it up on the net. Worked well the day I did my first blood draw. I hit my vein painlessly first try, my female partner took 3 stabs at it.

One of my good friends just graduated from dental school. They do practice on each other but it's kinda one of those rite of passage things I guess. Look on the bright side, you're not going to practice phelbotomy on each other all the time. 👍

Trypanophobia is more widespread than you might think Mel, as no one likes getting stuck.

To dispel some rumors hehe:
There are anesthetic eye drops for the eye...and we practice prostate exams and pelvics on real patients thru a free volunteer student clinic setup by the school. We never practiced those on each other, though we did put drops in each other's eyes a couple times. 👍

Thank you for your reply RICHIE. You are very soothing, good quality for a doctor. 😛
The ONE thing I know is that I will be more considerate of my patients because I have this fear. I will try to always be as gentle as I can with all of my patients and find ways of making it less painfull. The truth about this fear is not quite the pain, IT'S THE NEEDLES 😱

I will have to live with it. 😱 I am not going to let this fear stop me from becoming a Dentist. 😡 I JUST PRAY THAT THEY CAN GAS ME.

I would love to hear from more people about it though.

Thank you everyone I LOVE YOU ALL!!!

Mel 😀

Thank you also for the tip about the Topicane gel.

 

[I'mFillingFine]

This thread is a riot to read, btw 😀


Medical ethics question here: I can totally understand the logic and usefulness behind practicing on each other, but isn't a main lesson in dentistry to be as conservative as possible with pain (or any sort of procedure)? Isn't it medically unethical to give an unnecessary injection?

There ARE some possible complications resulting from even a 30g needle (reactions to epi, etc. etc.). Could a student opt out not from fear of the injection, but because he/she doesn't feel right accepting an unnecessary procedure?