Do White applicants have better educational status then Asian applicants?

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Lucky to be in the US? The US is lucky to have us!

Asians haven't accomplished anything in this country and it only seems like Asians have succeeded when you lump every squinty eyed individual together into a category, even then we're still under the power of the white man. The reality is, there is a great diversity of Asians. Some came here for an education. Some came with resources and put them to good use as business owners. And millions came here as refugees of wars, with nothing on their backs except a desire to achieve the American dream.

The reality is, most of these refugees have not made it and are living in poverty like many of our black and Hispanic brothers. They just aren't visible. Well, they do serve you in restaurants and work in sweatshops.

You need to open up your eyes and learn more about Asian Americans before you overgeneralize with your ridiculous blanket statements.

Asians are victims of affirmative action, as are whites, but even more so because we are overrepresented in universities. That's reality. I'm not playing any victimhood cards. I'm not asking for immediate change nor am I even asking for progress, Most importantly: I ask nothing from a bigot like yourself.

Why does everyone think that this "white man" is out to get them. That in itself is lumping all white people into one catagory. White people too come from a variety of backgrounds, not all of which are wealthy and educated. Most of the "white people" today are decendants of europeans that came to this country at different time periods under different circumstances...often times very poor circumstances. Believe it or not the irish and the italians and the polish, etc. were all oppressed when they came to this country too! But because we have white skin, everyone seems to forget that and associate white people as that evil group of people who were slave owners and sit on their hill top estates milking every dime from the poor. In actuality thats not the case, but everyone tends to forget that.
 
Technically, we're not all immigrants here.

Immigration is a legal term defined by existing governments. Europeans arrived closing in on 600 years ago before there was anything close to a government in place, and the native Americans arrived about 15,000 years ago.

Does "invaders" sound better? :laugh:

Why does everyone think that this "white man" is out to get them. That in itself is lumping all white people into one catagory. White people too come from a variety of backgrounds, not all of which are wealthy and educated. Most of the "white people" today are decendants of europeans that came to this country at different time periods under different circumstances...often times very poor circumstances. Believe it or not the irish and the italians and the polish, etc. were all oppressed when they came to this country too! But because we have white skin, everyone seems to forget that and associate white people as that evil group of people who were slave owners and sit on their hill top estates milking every dime from the poor. In actuality thats not the case, but everyone tends to forget that.

Good point. It's an unfortunate fact of life that new kids have to pay their dues. And the reason so many Asians have done well is because instead of playing the victim (even when valid) they work their asses off and set their kids up to have more opportunity then they did. Personally as a whole I think Asians have done well, as shown by our overrepresentation in professional schools. Sweet, let's keep it up.

And as for ignorance, a lot of it is just a matter of exposure. I get asked lots of stupid things, being from Hawaii (Do you speak English? Do you wear clothes?), but I figure that's my chance to teach people. Ignorance and discrimination shouldn't be confused.
 
Good point. It's an unfortunate fact of life that new kids have to pay their dues. And the reason so many Asians have done well is because instead of playing the victim (even when valid) they work their asses off and set their kids up to have more opportunity then they did. Personally as a whole I think Asians have done well, as shown by our overrepresentation in professional schools. Sweet, let's keep it up.


I completely agree...I applaud asians for coming over in harsh situations (many chinese immigrants in california in the 19th century had it very rough), sticking to it and working their way up. I think they should be an example for other minority groups.
 
It's an unfortunate fact of life that new kids have to pay their dues. And the reason so many Asians have done well is because instead of playing the victim (even when valid) they work their asses off and set their kids up to have more opportunity then they did. Personally as a whole I think Asians have done well, as shown by our overrepresentation in professional schools. Sweet, let's keep it up..

sure.....when i addressed mr. commi, i was not maligning asians. on the contrary. i was trying to say that they've got it goin on, unlike many other minorities.
 
Why does everyone think that this "white man" is out to get them. That in itself is lumping all white people into one catagory. White people too come from a variety of backgrounds, not all of which are wealthy and educated. Most of the "white people" today are decendants of europeans that came to this country at different time periods under different circumstances...often times very poor circumstances. Believe it or not the irish and the italians and the polish, etc. were all oppressed when they came to this country too! But because we have white skin, everyone seems to forget that and associate white people as that evil group of people who were slave owners and sit on their hill top estates milking every dime from the poor. In actuality thats not the case, but everyone tends to forget that.

yeah. i bet media and colonial history get a big chunk of the blame pie on this one. i also think some non-white immigrants might be, understandably, jealous of white males so they try to malign them. they feel that white male is good and that they are neither white male nor can they become, so they start maligning as a mechanism to deal with the insecurity.
 
they feel that white male is good and that they are neither white male nor can they become, so they start maligning as a mechanism to deal with the insecurity.

or rather than white male being "good," some may just feel that it's easy (easier). I don't think it's a case of wanting to be white, rather wanting the ease that comes with being the majority
 
Lucky to be in the US? The US is lucky to have us!.

asians have made great contributions to american culture, and that i think, everyone agrees with. in that sense, you are rght: the u.s is lucky to have you. however, given that you think tht asians have not accomplished anything as specific groups--as you mentioned below--it is unlikely that that was the sense you had. what you meant was that the u.s is lucky that you immigrated to it. and to that i say: not really!!! for every chinese or korean or vietnamese immmigrant, there are 10 eastern europeans, 10 russians, 10 africans, and 10 middle easterns who want to come here and work just as hard as asians.

again, you are lucky to be here and to be given the opportunity to earn the privilege of going to dental school. you will be financially secure and you will drive a nice car, knowing that neither you nor your family sacrificed as much as the grandparents of your average white and african american, who fought the war of independence and built the institutions of this nation with their own hands as slaves, respectively.

Asians haven't accomplished anything in this country and it only seems like Asians have succeeded when you lump every squinty eyed individual together into a category, ....!.


well, if you're lumping whites, who originally came from all over western europe and scandinavia, and more recently from italy, poland and ireland, then do not object to lumping "squinty eyed" individuals.

and yes, asians have accomplished quite a lot: there is a china town in basically every large american city. asian fast food restaurants are competing seriously with mcDonalds and other american fast food chains that were founded by white men. asians hardly live in ghettos. asian delis are also competing with greek and italian delis. the fortune cookie and sushi have become part of american culture, which is a privilege and a sign of assimilation. not to mention the overrepresentation of asian kids at professional schools and american undergrad private schools.

even then we're still under the power of the white man. ....!.

this is a sinister statement. but i think you did not mean it. you probably meant that the upper hand, the standards , and the advantage are still with the white man. well, i do agree with this very much but is that something you can blame the white man for? personally, i think it sucks a$$ that some are born with an advantage or a disadvantage over others due to race, but again, is that the choice of the white or black man? absolutly not! this was the scheme of nature. nature decided to put certain individuals in a particular land (europe) and that land had the right environment at a certain time to nurture a certain people who would soon become the fittest for survival and domination. i think it is terrible but that is nature's cruelty. not the white man's. and now that the white man has the "power" you mentioned, why would we expect him to give it away? hardly any normal person would say oh-no-thanks-i-dont-want-power-you-take-it....

The reality is, there is a great diversity of Asians. Some came here for an education. Some came with resources and put them to good use as business owners. And millions came here as refugees of wars, with nothing on their backs except a desire to achieve the American dream.
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i dont disagree with you here but that still does not equate your cause to that of the black or even latin man.


The reality is, most of these refugees have not made it and are living in poverty like many of our black and Hispanic brothers. They just aren't visible. Well, they do serve you in restaurants and work in sweatshops.
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no!!! blacks and hispanics are much worse off when compared to asians. and no, the asians who serve me in the restaurant are not poor because of america's discriminaiton against asians. they are poor because they are extremely underpaid and abused by the asian owner of the asian restaurant.


You need to open up your eyes and learn more about Asian Americans before you overgeneralize with your ridiculous blanket statements..

might you consider opening "up your eyes" and learn more about non-asian immigrants?...

Asians are victims of affirmative action, as are whites, ....
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no!! neither asians nor "whites" are victims of affirmative action because affirmative action puts in a very small number of minority applicants into professional schools and prestigeous schools. those whites and asians who get rejected from michigan can find opportunities elsewhere. the real vicitms of affirmative action are: 1-the minorities who get good stats but then get lumped up with those who use affirmative action. 2-the professions

i go to a small dental school. my class has 39 students. 6 of them are asian and NONE of them is black or latin. whatever happened to affirmative action?
 
or rather than white male being "good," some may just feel that it's easy (easier). I don't think it's a case of wanting to be white, rather wanting the ease that comes with being the majority

and that's also a very valid statement...i agree...it is one or the other or a little of both feelings
 
Why does everyone think that this "white man" is out to get them. That in itself is lumping all white people into one catagory. White people too come from a variety of backgrounds, not all of which are wealthy and educated. Most of the "white people" today are decendants of europeans that came to this country at different time periods under different circumstances...often times very poor circumstances. Believe it or not the irish and the italians and the polish, etc. were all oppressed when they came to this country too! But because we have white skin, everyone seems to forget that and associate white people as that evil group of people who were slave owners and sit on their hill top estates milking every dime from the poor. In actuality thats not the case, but everyone tends to forget that.

Right, whites and Asians are both victims of affirmative action even with our diversities, as I've stated above.

Edit: My reason for stating the position of the white man in relation to the Asian man is because 1) there are few Asians in positions of authority in the corporate world. Most Asian managers are stuck in middle management hell and fail to move beyond it. 2) there are glass ceilings in the work place because of perceived stereotypes and because the white man is in the position to make decisions based on those stereotypes. Again, the white man is not out to get anyone. The Asian guy just gets the short stick (no pun intended).
 
Let's don't forget that people are people regardless of how they look and where they are from. So the question is what makes this difference in numbers? Why some groups are more successful than the others no matter how hard it is to get something like getting a decent grade in DAT?

Over years, I got to this conclusion that what makes a big difference in success of some people is not being White, Asian or so on and there is all kind of smart people in all backgrounds. Even it is not in what religious or culture they belong to. I learned that all cultures and religions have good in them Those are just different plans for success of the followers.

I learned in the hard way that if you are strong enough regardless of what you are (White, Black, Asian, Indian and so on), nobody and nothing can stop you from what you want. AND I TRULY MEAN NOBODY AND NOTHING. If certain groups for example Asians, Blacks or Whites tell that they did not achieved something because of such and such, they certainly DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES in the first place.

So what makes us is in us No MATTER WHAT. So let raise our hat for over achievers and look for HOW DID THEY DO IT and not blaming others, laws or stereotypes. Let’s believe in ourselves regardless of the color of skin, hair, eye and nails and regardless of our ethnic background.

What matters is how to work our brain which is on top of our head and inside the scalp. Next time when you look yourself in the mirror, please be kind enough and do not judge yourself through outside. Close your eyes and think about what is going on inside and BELIEVE IN YOURSELF. 😎
 
Let's don't forget that people are people regardless of how they look and where they are from. So the question is what makes this difference in numbers? Why some groups are more successful than the others no matter how hard it is to get something like getting a decent grade in DAT?

Over years, I got to this conclusion that what makes a big difference in success of some people is not being White, Asian or so on and there is all kind of smart people in all backgrounds. Even it is not in what religious or culture they belong to. I learned that all cultures and religions have good in them Those are just different plans for success of the followers.

I learned in the hard way that if you are strong enough regardless of what you are (White, Black, Asian, Indian and so on), nobody and nothing can stop you from what you want. AND I TRULY MEAN NOBODY AND NOTHING. If certain groups for example Asians, Blacks or Whites tell that they did not achieved something because of such and such, they certainly DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES in the first place.

So what makes us is in us No MATTER WHAT. So let raise our hat for over achievers and look for HOW DID THEY DO IT and not blaming others, laws or stereotypes. Let's believe in ourselves regardless of the color of skin, hair, eye and nails and regardless of our ethnic background.

What matters is how to work our brain which is on top of our head and inside the scalp. Next time when you look yourself in the mirror, please be kind enough and do not judge yourself through outside. Close your eyes and think about what is going on inside and BELIEVE IN YOURSELF. 😎

I completely agree desert. However, the problem arises when one does work hard and still doesn't get it because another individual with a different skin tone gets preference.

Personally, I am in favor of socioeconomic factors in admissions. That is more fair because money doesn't see in color: white, yellow, black, or brown.
 
I completely agree desert. However, the problem arises when one does work hard and still doesn't get it because another individual with a different skin tone gets preference.

Personally, I am in favor of socioeconomic factors in admissions. That is more fair because money doesn't see in color: white, yellow, black, or brown.
I think most peopel would agree on this one, and it wouldn't hurt any minorities in need, so I don't see where the problem would be. UNLESS that would just make too many "priority" applicants.
 
I completely agree desert. However, the problem arises when one does work hard and still doesn't get it because another individual with a different skin tone gets preference.

Personally, I am in favor of socioeconomic factors in admissions. That is more fair because money doesn't see in color: white, yellow, black, or brown.

I agree, affirmative action I think WAS a good idea but is kind of outdated. These days it's trying to indirectly do what a socioeconomic standard would directly do.

Schools do take that into account already, to some extent. If someone has lower stats, but worked two jobs through high school and college, they factor that in. Standardization would probably be good, but I bet that would be a headache to establish. How does someone qualify as poor? How much should their parents income affect their status? What if their parents have money, but they claim to be estranged from their family? What if they are older?, etc...

Race is often easy to distinguish...maybe that's why people are reluctant to change the system
 
Right, whites and Asians are both victims of affirmative action even with our diversities, as I've stated above.

Edit: My reason for stating the position of the white man in relation to the Asian man is because 1) there are few Asians in positions of authority in the corporate world. Most Asian managers are stuck in middle management hell and fail to move beyond it. 2) there are glass ceilings in the work place because of perceived stereotypes and because the white man is in the position to make decisions based on those stereotypes. Again, the white man is not out to get anyone. The Asian guy just gets the short stick (no pun intended).

again: whites and asians are not victims of affirmative action.

as far as the corporate world, well, this is an old traditional and conservative realm that is hard to break into by recent immigrants who look very different. dont forget asians have not been here as long as anglos, jews and italians have. although jews and italians are not anglo looking, their looks are not as distinct from the anglo as the asian conventional look is. this may seem trivial to you but it does matter. besides, the asian immigration is not that old. so do not expect asians to be CEOs anytime soon. i think blacks should be CEOs before asians. also, dont forget corporate america's leadership/authority ladder is not just based on merit. it has to do with charisma and western society seems to associate charisma with a certain look that asian men do not seem to have. i bet you asian women are climbing the corporate ladder faster than the asian men. remember that social and econoimic barriers based on culture and race take a long time to form, and therefore take a long time to break.

you can call me a bigot all you want.

the truth is, NO, you're not getting the short end of the stick and the other truth is: the white man's advantage in this life is something that nature, including its diverse human population , has decided. you are inadvertantly perpetuating the very idea you deplore: when you say we "under the white man", you are reasserting it. when asians girls run after white men, they are reaaserting it. when african americans become successful and then mary white women, they also reassert it. when successfull minorities move into white neighborhoods instead of cleaning up their own, they also reasert it. when non-white children of third world countries look up to white european athletes, they also reassert it. when african girls make fun of the girl who has the kinkiest hair, they reassert it. when indians are in awe at their fellow indians who mary white britons, they also reassert it. when a philipino mother encourages her son to get eyelid surgery, it is also reasserted. the white advantage is something that people, together with nature, created. and now the white man is maligned for it. people send all these messages to whites and then people want the white man to not acknowledge any of the messages.....nonsense

at least asians have a ceiling in the corporate world. arabs can hardly touch the corporate world unless they are lebanese or syrians. do you know ho wmany smart arab men are trying to get into wall street to no avail? do you know how long arab students who come from good schools have been trying to get internships at the white house or congress? you know how much arabs have to watch their mouths before they say anything?....
 
you can call me a bigot all you want.

I'm not calling you names. I'm simply stating a fact. Your posts and views are racist by nature and none of them addresses the fact that it is wrong that Asians are discriminated against, which they are.

Your claims are ridiculous as follows:
-you are successful so therefore you deserve a kick in the ass
-there are others who need more help so shut up and know your role
-nature decided that white men should rule the world
-nature decided that Asian women will marry white men

Actually, you're worse than a bigot, you're a troll.
 
Hmmm...well that's an interesting philosophy. (response to fighting spirit's post)

I'm glad I live in Hawaii. Here there isn't any ethnic majority, there are lots of Asian CEOs, and people don't accuse minorities of "wanting to be white." Growing up I actually felt sorry for the pure white kids, because they were the ones that got teased in school.

I'm half Japanese and half white, but surprise, my mom is not asian. So were does that put me in your theory? Asians make up, what 4% of the population in america? If you aren't focused on race, I'd say the chances are pretty good you aren't going to be marrying another Asian.

I've lived in Colorado, Alaska, Texas, and California and while I definitely got stared at sometimes, I never noticed prejudice. I probably encountered it at some point, but to blame prejudice on my race doesn't occur to me because of where I was raised, and I'm glad for that. If you look for prejudice, you will find it, and then it's easy to become bitter, aggressive. Better to not focus on it. Focus on the hurdles too much and you lose sight of the goal.

But then if I had spent my life being told that I "wanted to be white" and that
the white man's advantage in this life is something that nature, including its diverse human population , has decided
, I'd probably be pretty pissed off as well. :laugh:

Get out of the midwest fighting spirit (or where ever you are), there is a whole world out there to discover
 
Hmmm...well that's an interesting philosophy. (response to fighting spirit's post)

I'm glad I live in Hawaii. Here there isn't any ethnic majority, there are lots of Asian CEOs, and people don't accuse minorities of "wanting to be white." Growing up I actually felt sorry for the pure white kids, because they were the ones that got teased in school.

I'm half Japanese and half white, but surprise, my mom is not asian. So were does that put me in your theory? Asians make up, what 4% of the population in america? If you aren't focused on race, I'd say the chances are pretty good you aren't going to be marrying another Asian.


I've lived in Colorado, Alaska, Texas, and California and while I definitely got stared at sometimes, I never noticed prejudice. I probably encountered it at some point, but to blame prejudice on my race doesn't occur to me, and I'm glad for that. If you look for prejudice, you will find it, and then it's easy to become bitter, aggressive. Better to not focus on it. Focus on the hurdles too much and you lose sight of the goal.

But then if I had spent my life being told that I "wanted to be white" and that , I'd probably be pretty pissed off as well. :laugh:

Get out of the midwest fighting spirit (or where ever you are), there is a whole world out there to discover

i have said this probably 10 times on SDN and i will say it again: a generalization is what it is. in the context of a debate, a generalization is describing trends not absolutes. off course my statements are not absolutes. off course there are numerous exceptions to any statment. if one cannot mention trends, then one has to spend time adding words like probably, tend to, frequently, usually just to cover up their a$$. better yet, no one would be able to discuss senstitive issues for fear of being labeled bigot or troll. and the trends i mentioned are not BS.

i am not saying that you or commi wanna be white. this is ridiculous. i am not specifiying any particular person from any particular race. i am describing trends. nothing more nothing less. it's just that it's pathetic when minorities blame the white man for every ill. i am not the one who said "we're still under the white man". commi did, so i just wanted to mention that statements like that are not just pathetic but they also reinforce the idea itself.
 
I'm not calling you names. I'm simply stating a fact. Your posts and views are racist by nature and none of them addresses the fact that it is wrong that Asians are discriminated against, which they are.

Your claims are ridiculous as follows:
-you are successful so therefore you deserve a kick in the ass
-there are others who need more help so shut up and know your role
-nature decided that white men should rule the world
-nature decided that Asian women will marry white men

Actually, you're worse than a bigot, you're a troll.

yes, none of them mentioned it is wrong to discrimnate against asians because it is not only asian minorities who get discriminated against, and also because screaming discrimination does not solve the problem.

as far as the claims that you are putting in my posts, well
i never claimed that if "you are successfull so therefore you deserve a kick in the ass"....i claimed that you are successfull so don't complain and endorse victimhood.

i dont know what you meant by "know your role"...but yes, one of my claims is that others need more help, and that is true.

when i said that "nature decided", i meant nature including people. in fact, people like you who use words like "power" or "under"...

it's evolution, if white man rules now, does not mean he will rule in the future. i am just describing what's happening now and taking it from an evolutionary viewpoint.

as far as the last claim about asian women, i dont know where the heck you got it from. i implied that nature deicdes what's fit.
 
Technically, we're not all immigrants here.


So, actually, no, we're not all immigrants. 😀 I'm 20 generations born to this land, immigrant isn't a word I'd use to describe my background.

Let's go with your thought process....in this case you're the immigrant and I'm not because Native Americans migrated from Asian...your 20 generations seem to be pretty recent to me. We were here since the dawn of time.

~ You missed my point! I'm not trying to argue who's an immigrant and who's not...we all migrated here for a better future, and I just want to game to be a fair game.
 
Let's go with your thought process....in this case you're the immigrant and I'm not because Native Americans migrated from Asian...your 20 generations seem to be pretty recent to me. We were here since the dawn of time.

~ You missed my point! I'm not trying to argue who's an immigrant and who's not...we all migrated here for a better future, and I just want to game to be a fair game.

actually, according to the Y chromosome migrational pattern studies, Native Americans came from Middle East... not Asia. ( To clarify even though u might think Middle East encompases some parts of Africa and Asia, i am referring to the more Arabic parts... ). Why does this even matter?

Being one race or the other does not give u any advantage. White people are not any more advantageous bc of their lack of pigment, and asians are not super smart bc their parents excepct so much of them so they study their asses of and do better on standardized tests.

This is not about this ppl. We need dentists of all races and backgrounds. Yes some older asian people might want to have only asian dentists. I am white myself, and my past dentist is asian, and current one is indian, but what do I care. They are all cool ppl.

You want to go see a doctor that you feel can connect to you and related to you in some way. Different cultural background, just means there is someone for everyone out there, even when you are looking for a dentist!

So lets all chill out, cut this crap, and hope that we all get in, regradless who is "smarter".

Eat some turkey. Tryptophan gets converted to melatonin which not only makes u sleepy, but happy too.
 
again: whites and asians are not victims of affirmative action.

as far as the corporate world, well, this is an old traditional and conservative realm that is hard to break into by recent immigrants who look very different. dont forget asians have not been here as long as anglos, jews and italians have. although jews and italians are not anglo looking, their looks are not as distinct from the anglo as the asian conventional look is. this may seem trivial to you but it does matter. besides, the asian immigration is not that old. so do not expect asians to be CEOs anytime soon. i think blacks should be CEOs before asians. also, dont forget corporate america's leadership/authority ladder is not just based on merit. it has to do with charisma and western society seems to associate charisma with a certain look that asian men do not seem to have. i bet you asian women are climbing the corporate ladder faster than the asian men. remember that social and econoimic barriers based on culture and race take a long time to form, and therefore take a long time to break.

you can call me a bigot all you want.

the truth is, NO, you're not getting the short end of the stick and the other truth is: the white man's advantage in this life is something that nature, including its diverse human population , has decided. you are inadvertantly perpetuating the very idea you deplore: when you say we "under the white man", you are reasserting it. when asians girls run after white men, they are reaaserting it. when african americans become successful and then mary white women, they also reassert it. when successfull minorities move into white neighborhoods instead of cleaning up their own, they also reasert it. when non-white children of third world countries look up to white european athletes, they also reassert it. when african girls make fun of the girl who has the kinkiest hair, they reassert it. when indians are in awe at their fellow indians who mary white britons, they also reassert it. when a philipino mother encourages her son to get eyelid surgery, it is also reasserted. the white advantage is something that people, together with nature, created. and now the white man is maligned for it. people send all these messages to whites and then people want the white man to not acknowledge any of the messages.....nonsense

at least asians have a ceiling in the corporate world. arabs can hardly touch the corporate world unless they are lebanese or syrians. do you know ho wmany smart arab men are trying to get into wall street to no avail? do you know how long arab students who come from good schools have been trying to get internships at the white house or congress? you know how much arabs have to watch their mouths before they say anything?....

Oh my God!!!!! I can't believe what I am reading😱 😱 !!!!!! This is the kind of bigotry that brought slavery, and the justification of slavery. You should be ashamed of yourself. This is a good example of what is going on inside the mind of a racist.
 
Let's go with your thought process....in this case you're the immigrant and I'm not because Native Americans migrated from Asian...your 20 generations seem to be pretty recent to me. We were here since the dawn of time.

~ You missed my point! I'm not trying to argue who's an immigrant and who's not...we all migrated here for a better future, and I just want to game to be a fair game.

And everyone migrated out of Africa 200,000 years ago. What's your point?

Anyway, fair game in this country seems like its a very, very, very, very long shot. Kind of a bummer, eh?
 
Oh my God!!!!! I can't believe what I am reading😱 😱 !!!!!! This is the kind of bigotry that brought slavery, and the justification of slavery. You should be ashamed of yourself. This is a good example of what is going on inside the mind of a racist.

if you knew me and the type and depth of relationships i have and with whom i have them (racially/ethnically), you would never say that i am a "racist"...you're just a politically correct paranoid person. the trends i am describing are real. they are not from my own a$$. i am simply observing trends and analysing them from an evolutionary viewpoint. but you guys loose it when someone says something that you're just not used to hearing. so what if it aint politically correct? if it's politically incorrect, it does not mean that it is not valid or true. you're labeling me without actually refuting my arguments. you're just screaming racist, discrimination, bigot...but you're not actually presenting sound rebuttals.

and NO. this is not what "brought" slavery or "justified" slavery. what brought and justified slavery were:

1-the primitive scientific research that was led by primitive scientists of influential instituitions like harvard was telling people that the african was "subhuman"; this made americans unable and unwilling to feel mercy or compassion towards the black man.
2-power politics. power of guns made it possible to enslave for the sake of free labor.
3-the enslavement of africans by their very own leaders and the deals between those african leaders and white slave traders.

my claims are simple because they are not idealistic. they are simply an attempt to explain something by trends.
 
again: whites and asians are not victims of affirmative action.

Are you kidding me? Asians ARE victims of affirmative action as many adcoms see us as "high-achievers" when there are certain Asian groups that are under-represented in higher education. Just look at teh SE Asian groups - the Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians and to a point, the Filipinos. They are more under-represented in professional education as opposed to Koreans, Chinese and Japanese people.

I can imagine a sh_tload of East Asian applicants with great DATs and GPAs getting their application thrown into the "no way jose" box because the adcoms don't want too many Asians in their school. It's not only the case for dental schools, but also for law school, med school, Ivy League colleges and other academic programs.


so do not expect asians to be CEOs anytime soon.

Boy are you so ignorant fightingspirit. There are third and even fourth-generation Asians living here in the US, paying US tax dollars and yet get discriminated by people like you because you think all Asians are first generation "no-speak English" kind of immigrant. Shame on your mentality. 😡

i think blacks should be CEOs before asians.

Again, affirmative action where a candidate is selected by his or her skin color and can do jack sh_t and look like a ***** on the job. I even have African-American friends who don't like affirmative action to a certain extent because it makes it look as if black people can't get jobs based on merit.


i bet you asian women are climbing the corporate ladder faster than the asian men.

The reason is due to media stereotypes that Asian guys can't speak English and only do computer programming. Plus you have those ads where they have an Asian girl (yellow cab) with a white guy. This is why Asian females are more successful in the US corporate world as opposed to Asian guys. It's not a joke, it's a hardcore fact. My friend, he's Chinese-American, can clearly see the discrimination in the workplace hiring process as he was the ONLY East Asian male to get hired at a top company. On the other hand, three East Asian girls were hired with the 3:1 Asian female to Asian male ratio.



you can call me a bigot all you want.

I think you're more ignorant.

the truth is, NO, you're not getting the short end of the stick and the other truth is: the white man's advantage in this life is something that nature, including its diverse human population , has decided.

WRONG kimosabe!!! Asians get the WORST end of the stick here in the US because we are not in large numbers as opposed to other minority groups (i.e. latinos and Afr-Americans). This is why we're so called "invisible" minority group.

you are inadvertantly perpetuating the very idea you deplore: when you say we "under the white man", you are reasserting it. when asians girls run after white men, they are reaaserting it. when african americans become successful and then mary white women, they also reassert it.

Media media media. What else do I have to say? Tell me when have I watched a decent movie with an Asian guy being the president? None. The only best movie I can think of is Korean movies and Harold and Kumar movies.

at least asians have a ceiling in the corporate world. arabs can hardly touch the corporate world unless they are lebanese or syrians. do you know ho wmany smart arab men are trying to get into wall street to no avail? do you know how long arab students who come from good schools have been trying to get internships at the white house or congress? you know how much arabs have to watch their mouths before they say anything?....

So are you an Arab guy?
 
Let's go with your thought process....in this case you're the immigrant and I'm not because Native Americans migrated from Asian...your 20 generations seem to be pretty recent to me. We were here since the dawn of time.

~ You missed my point! I'm not trying to argue who's an immigrant and who's not...we all migrated here for a better future, and I just want to game to be a fair game.

Like I've said TheDon, tekdcn is just a racist troll posting here on this thread.

First of all, I've never seen this troll post in the dental section. He usually posts in the allopathic or medicine section.

Second, he's only posting here in the "Asian" thread, not in any other thread. I've never seen this troll post in any interview thread, or contribute any information on any dental schools.

He seems to have severe problems with Asians in general. I just ignore this kid by placing him on my ignore list.
 
Like I've said TheDon, tekdcn is just a racist troll posting here on this thread.
I love how when simple minded people cannot retort good argument they resort to the most harmful name-calling they can think of. 👎

He seems to have severe problems with Asians in general. I just ignore this kid by placing him on my ignore list.
I'm engaged to a vietnamese girl. So no, I don't have problems with asian people. You guys were just bitching and complaining that you only make up 30-40% of higher education institutions with respect to your 4.3% population rather than the 75% you feel you deserve (quite an arrogant and very ethnocentric expectation). So, I provided statistics (straight from a legitimate source, AAMC) and proved your point was nothing to whine about.

I never once said anything bad about asians in this thread, you're just too freakin' unreasonable to even attempt to read and comprehend what I had to say and you started throwing around derrogatory comments like a wounded bafoon in the middle of an ass-kicking. (which eventually became very annoying).
 
Hmmmm......I wonder how many white men hold positions of power in China, Japan, or Korea?
 
Hmmmm......I wonder how many white men hold positions of power in China, Japan, or Korea?

Or how many Koreans hold power in Japan, or Thai in China? Asia has it's issues along with the rest of the world. And I don't know all too much about the rest of Asia, but I know Japan doesn't play nice with its neighbors
 
again: whites and asians are not victims of affirmative action.

as far as the corporate world, well, this is an old traditional and conservative realm that is hard to break into by recent immigrants who look very different. dont forget asians have not been here as long as anglos, jews and italians have. although jews and italians are not anglo looking, their looks are not as distinct from the anglo as the asian conventional look is. this may seem trivial to you but it does matter. besides, the asian immigration is not that old. so do not expect asians to be CEOs anytime soon. i think blacks should be CEOs before asians. also, dont forget corporate america's leadership/authority ladder is not just based on merit. it has to do with charisma and western society seems to associate charisma with a certain look that asian men do not seem to have. i bet you asian women are climbing the corporate ladder faster than the asian men. remember that social and econoimic barriers based on culture and race take a long time to form, and therefore take a long time to break.

you can call me a bigot all you want.

the truth is, NO, you're not getting the short end of the stick and the other truth is: the white man's advantage in this life is something that nature, including its diverse human population , has decided. you are inadvertantly perpetuating the very idea you deplore: when you say we "under the white man", you are reasserting it. when asians girls run after white men, they are reaaserting it. when african americans become successful and then mary white women, they also reassert it. when successfull minorities move into white neighborhoods instead of cleaning up their own, they also reasert it. when non-white children of third world countries look up to white european athletes, they also reassert it. when african girls make fun of the girl who has the kinkiest hair, they reassert it. when indians are in awe at their fellow indians who mary white britons, they also reassert it. when a philipino mother encourages her son to get eyelid surgery, it is also reasserted. the white advantage is something that people, together with nature, created. and now the white man is maligned for it. people send all these messages to whites and then people want the white man to not acknowledge any of the messages.....nonsense

at least asians have a ceiling in the corporate world. arabs can hardly touch the corporate world unless they are lebanese or syrians. do you know ho wmany smart arab men are trying to get into wall street to no avail? do you know how long arab students who come from good schools have been trying to get internships at the white house or congress? you know how much arabs have to watch their mouths before they say anything?....


Wow...you are a racist. Everything in this post delegates roles and status solely on race. What is this "certain look the asian man does not have" BS?? Is this the general stereotype or just yours? And why does African american's deserve to be CEO before Asians? because they were here first? this is all crap man. Success and progression shouldnt be based on race, but on personal merit (i know this is idealistic, but your argument was flawed and illogical). you think your being objective by stating the "natural evolution of things?" your merely perpetuing some of the most ignorant racial generalizations i have ever heard. I agree with eyeamcommis claim, you are a troll.
 
It's funner in the off-topic forum. You all should come, put the axes down, kick back, and relaaaaaaaaax 😍
 
Wow just reading the topic, somehow I knew it was all going to bad within a few posts. disregarding all the other issues and topics that arose in this thread, I would say part of the discrepancy may be because many asian students are pressured (or maybe even forced) into the professional health field by their parents, and other ethnicities are more open to other types of career paths. So the white/caucasian student population that do decide to go pre-med/pre-dental are in it to be in it and as a whole MAY have higher stats because they're more go-getters about it. The asian population, however, definitely have some superb students, but I bet there are also a lot out there with mediocre stats, but just doing it just to do it. Then once they don't make it, they end up in biotech lab jobs or switch career paths. haha not to blame the parents or anything, but I see a lot of asians that can't hack it in bio/chem, and they tell me they're just doing it cause they're parents told them to. p.s. I'm asian as well so don't take offense. It more or less happened to me, but good thing my passion lies in health sciences with or without any outside pressures.
 
Or how many Koreans hold power in Japan, or Thai in China? Asia has it's issues along with the rest of the world. And I don't know all too much about the rest of Asia, but I know Japan doesn't play nice with its neighbors

i can go on and on about the japanese ancestors and government. even today, they grind my gears.


did you know that the japanese imperial line was started by koreans? upon hearing this, a japanese person left the classroom at UCLA.

this thread is useless.
 
I just found some interesting facts that the acceptance rate of the White applicants of 2005 cycle was about 50.3 percent, whereas the acceptance rate of the Asian applicants was 43.1 percent. Do White students have better GPA and DAT scores? If not, do the most White applicants have outstanding extracurricular activities? If so, do you know where I can find that information? I want to find some statistic datas to fulfill my curiousity.

why start a thread you KNOW will take the bad road? gae bahl ae byoung shin sekki.... the answer to your question is simple: "the white man is out to get us." that's partly the reason dave chapelle wont make any more chapelle shows. could be the main reason. anywho, i'm not surprised you started this thread.
 
"the white man is out to get us."

I worry about getting hit by "the white man" every time I leave my house. I think he hides behind my garbage cans. I always carry a pair of chopsticks with me to protect myself. He hates chopsticks.
 
You're wrong...the new white man loves chop-sticks...we're evolving. YOU'RE NOT SAFE ANYWHERE..MUAHAHAHHAA.
 
i think you can't actually go off these rates of acceptance. it disregards school specific rates, as my guess is asian applicants probably apply in differing percentages to different dental schools.

i don't believe that affirmative action is as much an issue with technical schools like dentistry, as the adcom has to know the students they admit can do the work. part of what appeals to me about dentistry is the inherent meritocratic aspect of dentistry, you can't hide it if you suck at science or doing dental work.
 
For those of you, esp the non-Asians, who don't believe us that the admissions standards are placed higher for Asians (East Asians, SE Asians and East Indians), then read this article.

It's about an Asian student who wants to sue Princeton University for its discriminatory policy against Asian applicants.

Is Admissions Bar
Higher for Asians
At Elite Schools?

School Standards Are Probed
Even as Enrollment Increases;
A Bias Claim at Princeton

By DANIEL GOLDEN
November 11, 2006; Page A1

Though Asian-Americans constitute only about 4.5% of the U.S. population, they typically account for anywhere from 10% to 30% of students at many of the nation's elite colleges.

Even so, based on their outstanding grades and test scores, Asian-Americans increasingly say their enrollment should be much higher -- a contention backed by a growing body of evidence.

Whether elite colleges give Asian-American students a fair shake is becoming a big concern in college-admissions offices. Federal civil-rights officials are investigating charges by a top Chinese-American student that he was rejected by Princeton University last spring because of his race and national origin.

Meanwhile, voter attacks on admissions preferences for other minority groups -- as well as research indicating colleges give less weight to high test scores of Asian-American applicants -- may push schools to boost Asian enrollment. Tuesday, Michigan voters approved a ballot measure striking down admissions preferences for African-Americans and Hispanics. The move is expected to benefit Asian applicants to state universities there -- as similar initiatives have done in California and Washington.

If the same measure is passed in coming years in Illinois, Missouri and Oregon -- where opponents of such preferences say they plan to introduce it -- Asian-American enrollment likely would climb at selective public universities in those states as well.

During the Michigan campaign, a group that opposes affirmative action released a study bolstering claims that Asian students are held to a higher standard. The study, by the Center for Equal Opportunity, in Virginia, found that Asian applicants admitted to the University of Michigan in 2005 had a median SAT score of 1400 on the 400-1600 scale then in use. That was 50 points higher than the median score of white students who were accepted, 140 points higher than that of Hispanics and 240 points higher than that of blacks.

Roger Clegg, president and general counsel of the Center for Equal Opportunity, said universities are "legally vulnerable" to challenges from rejected Asian-American applicants.

Princeton, where Asian-Americans constitute about 13% of the student body, faces such a challenge. A spokesman for the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights said it is investigating a complaint filed by Jian Li, now a 17-year-old freshman at Yale University. Despite racking up the maximum 2400 score on the SAT and 2390 -- 10 points below the ceiling -- on SAT2 subject tests in physics, chemistry and calculus, Mr. Li was spurned by three Ivy League universities, Stanford University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The Office for Civil Rights initially rejected Mr. Li's complaint due to "insufficient" evidence. Mr. Li appealed, citing a white high-school classmate admitted to Princeton despite lower test scores and grades. The office notified him late last month that it would look into the case.

His complaint seeks to suspend federal financial assistance to Princeton until the university "discontinues discrimination against Asian-Americans in all forms by eliminating race preferences, legacy preferences, and athlete preferences." Legacy preference is the edge most elite colleges, including Princeton, give to alumni children. The Office for Civil Rights has the power to terminate such financial aid but usually works with colleges to resolve cases rather than taking enforcement action.

Mr. Li, who emigrated to the U.S. from China as a 4-year-old and graduated from a public high school in Livingston, N.J., said he hopes his action will set a precedent for other Asian-American students. He wants to "send a message to the admissions committee to be more cognizant of possible bias, and that the way they're conducting admissions is not really equitable," he said.

Princeton spokeswoman Cass Cliatt said the university is aware of the complaint and will provide the Office for Civil Rights with information it has requested. Princeton has said in the past that it considers applicants as individuals and doesn't discriminate against Asian-Americans.

When elite colleges began practicing affirmative action in the late 1960s and 1970s, they gave an admissions boost to Asian-American applicants as well as blacks and Hispanics. As the percentage of Asian-Americans in elite schools quickly overtook their slice of the U.S. population, many colleges stopped giving them preference -- and in some cases may have leaned the other way.

In 1990, a federal investigation concluded that Harvard University admitted Asian-American applicants at a lower rate than white students despite the Asians' slightly stronger test scores and grades. Federal investigators also found that Harvard admissions staff had stereotyped Asian-American candidates as quiet, shy and oriented toward math and science. The government didn't bring charges because it concluded it was Harvard's preferences for athletes and alumni children -- few of whom were Asian -- that accounted for the admissions gap.

The University of California came under similar scrutiny at about the same time. In 1989, as the federal government was investigating alleged Asian-American quotas at UC's Berkeley campus, Berkeley's chancellor apologized for a drop in Asian enrollment. The next year, federal investigators found that the mathematics department at UCLA had discriminated against Asian-American graduate school applicants. In 1992, Berkeley's law school agreed under federal pressure to drop a policy that limited Asian enrollment by comparing Asian applicants against each other rather than the entire applicant pool.

Asian-American enrollment at Berkeley has increased since California voters banned affirmative action in college admissions. Berkeley accepted 4,122 Asian-American applicants for this fall's freshman class -- nearly 42% of the total admitted. That is up from 2,925 in 1997, or 34.6%, the last year before the ban took effect. Similarly, Asian-American undergraduate enrollment at the University of Washington rose to 25.4% in 2004 from 22.1% in 1998, when voters in that state prohibited affirmative action in college admissions.

The University of Michigan may be poised for a similar leap in Asian-American enrollment, now that voters in that state have banned affirmative action. The Center for Equal Opportunity study found that, among applicants with a 1240 SAT score and 3.2 grade point average in 2005, the university admitted 10% of Asian-Americans, 14% of whites, 88% of Hispanics and 92% of blacks. Asian applicants to the university's medical school also faced a higher admissions bar than any other group.

Julie Peterson, spokeswoman for the University of Michigan, said the study was flawed because many applicants take the ACT test instead of the SAT, and standardized test scores are only one of various tools used to evaluate candidates. "I utterly reject the conclusion" that the university discriminates against Asian-Americans, she said. Asian-Americans constitute 12.6% of the university's undergraduates.

Jonathan Reider, director of college counseling at San Francisco University High School, said most elite colleges' handling of Asian applicants has become fairer in recent years. Mr. Reider, a former Stanford admissions official, said Stanford staffers were dismayed 20 years ago when an internal study showed they were less likely to admit Asian applicants than comparable whites. As a result, he said, Stanford strived to eliminate unconscious bias and repeated the study every year until Asians no longer faced a disadvantage.

Last month, Mr. Reider participated in a panel discussion at a college-admissions conference. It was titled, "Too Asian?" and explored whether colleges treat Asian applicants differently.

Precise figures of Asian-American representation at the nation's top schools are hard to come by. Don Joe, an attorney and activist who runs Asian-American Politics, an Internet site that tracks enrollment, puts the average proportion of Asian-Americans at 25 top colleges at 15.9% in 2005, up from 10% in 1992.

Still, he said, he is hearing more complaints "from Asian-American parents about how their children have excellent grades and scores but are being rejected by the most selective colleges. It appears to be an open secret."

Mr. Li, who said he was in the top 1% of his high-school class and took five advanced placement courses in his senior year, left blank the questions on college applications about his ethnicity and place of birth. "It seemed very irrelevant to me, if not offensive," he said. Mr. Li, who has permanent resident status in the U.S., did note that his citizenship, first language and language spoken at home were Chinese.

Along with Yale, he won admission to the California Institute of Technology, Rutgers University and the Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art. He said four schools -- Princeton, Harvard, Stanford and the University of Pennsylvania -- placed him on their waiting lists before rejecting him. "I was very close to being accepted at these schools," he said. "I was thinking, had my ethnicity been different, it would have put me over the top. Even if race had just a marginal effect, it may have disadvantaged me."

He ultimately focused his complaint against Princeton after reading a 2004 study by three Princeton researchers concluding that an Asian-American applicant needed to score 50 points higher on the SAT than other applicants to have the same change of admission to an elite university.

"As an Asian-American and a native of China, my chances of admission were drastically reduced," Mr. Li claims in his complaint.


My support goes to Mr. Li fighting this kind of discrimination in the US academic institutions!!
 
Why White and Asian, why not White and Black, or Black and Asian, or Hispanic and White?
 
i saw a white man with an asian woman. it angered me that they're out to get us by taking our women.
 
Four pages of discussion and no one has yet to answer the question posed!!!! So do white applicants have better educational status than asian applicants?

Yes or No??!?!??!?!? (maybe is not an answer choice! only yes or no.)
 
Four pages of discussion and no one has yet to answer the question posed!!!! So do white applicants have better educational status than asian applicants?

Yes or No??!?!??!?!? (maybe is not an answer choice! only yes or no.)

no comment.
 
i saw a white man with an asian woman. it angered me that they're out to get us by taking our women.

I need to apoligize to you for marrying my very hot Japanese wife. If it makes you feel any better, I have to put up with her parents constantly reminding me that I have stolen a jewel (takaramono is how they put it) of Japan and taken it to the very "unsophisticated", "empiristic", "warmongering" US. That should make us about even then.
 
Four pages of discussion and no one has yet to answer the question posed!!!! So do white applicants have better educational status than asian applicants?

Yes or No??!?!??!?!? (maybe is not an answer choice! only yes or no.)

I don't have the numbers on hand but it is very, very close numbers wise between whites and asians with asians having a slight lead in hard numbers (this may be offset with non-quantifiable characteristics depending on the school but of course Asians can also achieve an impressive extracurricular applications). An individual Asian is likely to get the short end of the stick at some schools when they use race as a factor in admissions due to their high representation in higher ed. but low representation in the population as a whole (some schools accept many asians despite the fact that their class will contain a much higher percentage then the population as a whole). This is one more reason why using race is admissions is a very poor method for achieving social goals and if schools really wanted to they would do the leg work required to accept applicants that would work in underserved areas, etc. they would need to adopt better methods. In defense of the schools, this presents some difficult challenges in time and costs.

The solution for any ambitious individual regardless of race? Put together an impressive application in all areas and be a well socialized person who generally cares about his/her fellow man/woman. Oh, and be a decent writer and well spoken so that you can convey all of this in your application.
 
I need to apoligize to you for marrying my very hot Japanese wife. If it makes you feel any better, I have to put up with her parents constantly reminding me that I have stolen a jewel (takaramono is how they put it) of Japan and taken it to the very "unsophisticated", "empiristic", "warmongering" US. That should make us about even then.

that's hilarious. i dont blame you nor any other white guy with an asian girl. i was jk. oh, my gf is japanese also; i can't stand girls from my own ethnicity... as ignorant as that may have sounded. sorry to hear that your in-laws are giving you a mouthful. it doesn't make me feel any better though. i think the things they said to you are partly hypocritical. but i dont feel like getting into it. congratulations on your marriage.
 
I need to apoligize to you for marrying my very hot Japanese wife. If it makes you feel any better, I have to put up with her parents constantly reminding me that I have stolen a jewel (takaramono is how they put it) of Japan and taken it to the very "unsophisticated", "empiristic", "warmongering" US. That should make us about even then.

The more the reason to keep that pimp hand strong.
 
I don't have the numbers on hand but it is very, very close numbers wise between whites and asians with asians having a slight lead in hard numbers (this may be offset with non-quantifiable characteristics depending on the school but of course Asians can also achieve an impressive extracurricular applications). An individual Asian is likely to get the short end of the stick at some schools when they use race as a factor in admissions due to their high representation in higher ed. but low representation in the population as a whole (some schools accept many asians despite the fact that their class will contain a much higher percentage then the population as a whole). This is one more reason why using race is admissions is a very poor method for achieving social goals and if schools really wanted to they would do the leg work required to accept applicants that would work in underserved areas, etc. they would need to adopt better methods. In defense of the schools, this presents some difficult challenges in time and costs.

The solution for any ambitious individual regardless of race? Put together an impressive application in all areas and be a well socialized person who generally cares about his/her fellow man/woman. Oh, and be a decent writer and well spoken so that you can convey all of this in your application.

So you're saying...yes?
 
I'd like to make a few comments, but I'd like to PREFACE by saying that the below consist of MY PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS and THOUGTHS -- nothing more, nothing less.

"Asians have a harder time in college/grad-school admissions" -- This is, to a certain degree, true. Among my group of friends here at NYUCD, Asians seem to have slightly higher DAT scores than non-Asians. When I did undergrad at Northwestern, I noticed the same to be true with SAT scores. Many of us had scores in the 1500's, while most of my Caucasian friends had scores in the 1400's. When I went to grad school at Harvard, I noticed more non-Asians with 'low' GRE scores than Asians. I've private tutored kids in the SAT for over 10 years, and have generally seen Asian kids to do slightly better than all other non-Asian students, sans the Verbal section. DOES THIS PROVE ANYTHING? No... but my personal opinion is that admissions officers innately expect better statistics from Asian-American students than they would from non-Asians. Heck, I would if I were an adcom.

"Asians can't crack high-level management positions in corporate America" -- This is, to a certain degree, true. I worked in management consulting and investment banking for a few years, and can tell you that the proportion of Asian-American VPs, managing directors, and principals is far lower than the proportion of Asian-American analysts and associates that first enter these firms out of Ivy-League/Top-20 institutions. A few years ago, I also started up an internet venture with a few friends, and the % of venture capital investors I met and presented before was far lower than the % of Asian-American MBA grads from Kellogg, Wharton, HBS, Sloan, Tuck, etc. STATISTICALLY, is it more difficult for Asians to 'move up in the ranks?' Yes. Is there a glass ceiling? Likely. Does that mean that I, as an Asian-American male, lack charisma and business know-how to manage teams and projects? I hope not - I spent asinine amounts of money to have degrees from top schools, and I'd like to reap some benefit from it. Hopefully, I not only gained concrete knowledge, but the confidence and charisma to stand before an audience of ALL backgrounds and be a badass nevertheless. DOES THIS PROVE ANYTHING? No... but my personal opinion is that it is harder for any minority group to immediately gain positions of VISIBLE influence (read: politics, corporate, media, etc).

"Asians are misrepresented in the media" -- This is, to a certain degree, true. For every 1 movie reflecting real-life Asian America, there must be 50 junk movies incorporating some element of martial arts, emascuilinated Asian men with graphing calculators, exotic fan-dancing Asian women who covet Caucasian men, and phrases consisting of "ching-chong ching-chong ching-chong." DOES THIS PROVE ANYTHING? No... but my personal opinion is that Hollywood execs lack sensitivity in many ways, and that future Asian-American parents should encourage their kids to be brave and explore careers in arts, music, and media (instead of medicine, law, dentistry, etc).

"Asians may have it bad in certain areas, but you guys are much better off than Blacks, Hispanics, and other underrepresented minorities... so stop complaining" -- This is, to a certain degree, true. We are much better off than ALL other non-Asian-American groups in terms of educational attainment, average household income, literacy rate, average life span, and a slew of other socioeconomic indicators. But, many Asian-American groups (e.g. Hmong, Cambodian, Laotian, etc) actually have show lower statistics in the aforementioned areas than others (e.g. East Asian), and the # of Caucasians in the US living below the poverty line actually far exceeds the # of African-Americans. What I'm implying is that 'social classes' go way beyond color, but must be looked at closely, since they encompass per capita income, educational attainment, region within the US, etc etc. Again, DOES THIS PROVE ANYTHING? No... but my personal opinion is that asking any group to stop aspiring for social improvement because 'some other group has it worse' is ridiculous.

I actually appreciate the comments in this thread... some are idiotic, some are slightly racist, but all are 'interesting'. I also realize that this stupidly long thread adds very little to any discussion regarding dental admissions. My apologies. Still, I'd like to leave you with 2 of my favorite quotes with regard to racism:

"Lukewarm acceptance is more bewildering than outright rejection." - MLK

"In order to get beyond racism, we must first take account of race. There is no other way. And in order to treat some persons equally, we must treat them differently." - Harry Blackmun

Rock on...
 
That was a good read NYUCD2010. Thanks for sharing.👍
 
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