Do you "do it for your patients?"

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Do you do it for your patients?

  • I do it 24/7 for my patients.

    Votes: 18 24.3%
  • Bunk.

    Votes: 56 75.7%

  • Total voters
    74

GoodmanBrown

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So in listening to a converstion in the hall, I heard one student say, "I need to study some for the test, but I'm pretty sure I won't have to work too hard to pass." Another student chastised the original one saying, "You need to study for your patients." with the clear implication that you should study as much as possible to better treat your patients in the future. What are your thoughts?
 
So in listening to a converstion in the hall, I heard one student say, "I need to study some for the test, but I'm pretty sure I won't have to work too hard to pass." Another student chastised the original one saying, "You need to study for your patients." with the clear implication that you should study as much as possible to better treat your patients in the future. What are your thoughts?

I think student B didn't think their position through, since a large amount of what you learn in the first two years isn't clinically applicable.
 
Studying the different diseases and/or disorders is doing it for your patients. Spending 75% of your time studying the absolutely useless **** that the professors put on their powerpoints that is necessary in order to pass the exams is not doing it for the patients.
 
As a former patient I can safely say that I wouldnt want me doctor to get a boner while examining me.
 
So in listening to a converstion in the hall, I heard one student say, "I need to study some for the test, but I'm pretty sure I won't have to work too hard to pass." Another student chastised the original one saying, "You need to study for your patients." with the clear implication that you should study as much as possible to better treat your patients in the future. What are your thoughts?
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my sanity and free time are far more valuable to me
 
A less knowledgeable doctor with energy, passion, and a balanced life probably provides better care than a more knowledgeable doctor who is burnt out, lonely, and bitter for giving up everything else that they ever thought was important.
 
So in listening to a converstion in the hall, I heard one student say, "I need to study some for the test, but I'm pretty sure I won't have to work too hard to pass." Another student chastised the original one saying, "You need to study for your patients." with the clear implication that you should study as much as possible to better treat your patients in the future. What are your thoughts?

The sanctimony demonstrated by the second student is more than a little nauseating, but . . . yeah . . . you do end up doing this for your patients in way. Now I can safely say I never thought that way during medical school, but now three years into residency there are times I wished I'd have put in an extra hour or two, maybe. Common things are common and will be your bread and butter, but all of that other medical knowledge is 1) the stuff that separets us from the PAs and the NPs, and 2) the stuff the rest of your differential diagnosis is made of. You'll see this far too often when you practice that patients were treated for things that were not their problem. Now practicing medicine is complex and patients are even more complicated. You really only can be as good a doc as you know.

Just something to think about.
 
Hell to the yeah I do it for my patients...sometimes. 24/7 is a bit much. I gots needs too !!!

But if it were purely about money, I would have gone into business like my consulting/financing/Pharma buddies.

The sanctimony demonstrated by the second student is more than a little nauseating, but . . . yeah . . . you do end up doing this for your patients in way. Now I can safely say I never thought that way during medical school, but now three years into residency there are times I wished I'd have put in an extra hour or two, maybe. Common things are common and will be your bread and butter, but all of that other medical knowledge is 1) the stuff that separets us from the PAs and the NPs, and 2) the stuff the rest of your differential diagnosis is made of. You'll see this far too often when you practice that patients were treated for things that were not their problem. Now practicing medicine is complex and patients are even more complicated. You really only can be as good a doc as you know.

Just something to think about.

Well said👍👍
 
The sanctimony demonstrated by the second student is more than a little nauseating, but . . . yeah . . . you do end up doing this for your patients in way. Now I can safely say I never thought that way during medical school, but now three years into residency there are times I wished I'd have put in an extra hour or two, maybe. Common things are common and will be your bread and butter, but all of that other medical knowledge is 1) the stuff that separets us from the PAs and the NPs, and 2) the stuff the rest of your differential diagnosis is made of. You'll see this far too often when you practice that patients were treated for things that were not their problem. Now practicing medicine is complex and patients are even more complicated. You really only can be as good a doc as you know.

Just something to think about.

Then I'll do it for my myself and my fellow docs, and the patients will benefit 👍
 
A less knowledgeable doctor with energy, passion, and a balanced life probably provides better care than a more knowledgeable doctor who is burnt out, lonely, and bitter for giving up everything else that they ever thought was important.
true story
 
I work hard every day

1.) Because "good enough" is not good enough for my future patients
1a.) for my future paycheck which will support my wife and kids
2.) Because I can't imagine doing anything else.
 
no i do it mostly because i enjoy the challenge
 
I work hard every day

1.) Because "good enough" is not good enough for my future patients
1a.) for my future paycheck which will support my wife and kids
2.) Because I can't imagine doing anything else.
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One already on the way out or one there for a routine check-up?
haha, well, it all depends on my level of misery. id like to think i wouldn't kill someone who came just for a normal check-up, that would be awful. but if someone has a terminal illness...
 
The sanctimony demonstrated by the second student is more than a little nauseating, but . . . yeah . . . you do end up doing this for your patients in way. Now I can safely say I never thought that way during medical school, but now three years into residency there are times I wished I'd have put in an extra hour or two, maybe. Common things are common and will be your bread and butter, but all of that other medical knowledge is 1) the stuff that separets us from the PAs and the NPs, and 2) the stuff the rest of your differential diagnosis is made of. You'll see this far too often when you practice that patients were treated for things that were not their problem. Now practicing medicine is complex and patients are even more complicated. You really only can be as good a doc as you know.

Just something to think about.

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When I was a med student, I was too far from the prize to see it as much more than a series of hurdles, but in retrospect I could have gotten more out of it.
 
Anyone who has time to post on SDN doesn't "do it for their patients" 24/7.
 
I do it to get a good residency and help my patients by going to a kick *** program

This is based on the assumption that prestigious programs have better clinical training. I have my doubts about this. Prestige = research.
 
On some level I think there is a motivation to "do it for the patients." Last year I remember calculating that I needed to get like a 15% on my physiology/histology final in order to hit the 75% overall passing level for the class. This is a pass/fail school. I probably could have skipped the last three weeks of class and labs, not studied at all and still gotten far better than a 15% on that final. I would, however, have felt guilt about doing so because of the material I would have been choosing not to learn. Cardiac phys/histo, in case anyone was curious. I even remember telling a friend that if I hadn't studied it I'd feel like I would kill my future patients with cardiac problems.
 
On some level I think there is a motivation to "do it for the patients." Last year I remember calculating that I needed to get like a 15% on my physiology/histology final in order to hit the 75% overall passing level for the class. This is a pass/fail school. I probably could have skipped the last three weeks of class and labs, not studied at all and still gotten far better than a 15% on that final. I would, however, have felt guilt about doing so because of the material I would have been choosing not to learn. Cardiac phys/histo, in case anyone was curious. I even remember telling a friend that if I hadn't studied it I'd feel like I would kill my future patients with cardiac problems.

I think there's enough redundancy built into the system, that this isn't a serious concern. (Unless a person is actually grossly incompetent...) Everything from the redundancy within a class, to the redundancies from year to year, like another poster said- mostly, we all end up learning the "bread and butter" facts.

And even failing that, once we get into residency, we'll pretty much be spoon-fed on the meds they want us to prescribe for particular situations, etc. Then there's the see one, do one, teach one model. In short, there's plenty of supervision going on, as we're building up experience. We all end up knowing how to treat the basic stuff.

BUT... I think where the effort does come into play is with non-"bread and butter" stuff. Like another poster mentioned- it's that stuff that separates the docs from the other healthcare providers. And it's that stuff that the "slacker" doc might not get.

And so the patient's rare disease goes un-diagnosed for a long time. (Totally rare occurrence, right? 🙄) Anything that's more complicated or subtle (not necessarily even rare) risks getting glossed over by the doc who is diagnosing based on a few "rules of thumb" mostly learned on the job, rather than thinking things through on a "deeper" level. (I.e. the level that we're learning things in our basic sciences years.)

It sort of depends on the specialty, though, actually. Some specialties seem like they would be quite amenable to a sort of "learn on the job" mentality. Derm? Seems quite based on pattern recognition... I'm not super sure how much of the pre-clinical stuff one would really need to retain to be a great dermatologist. (I mean, do you really need to think through the pathophys of things or is it more about visually recognizing patterns?) Whereas something like internal medicine, with its huge ddx, seems like a strong pre-clinical base of knowledge would be considerably more important.

Anyway, to answer the OP... Am I doing it for the patients?

Yes, sure. But I think I would put in the same effort for any other job, because I want to feel competent and do well in my work. I'm not a super outcomes-based person, which is a weird thing to say as a "professional school student". For me, it's more about wanting to understand (along with hating the feeling of not understanding things and not being able to solve problems.)

The thing about med school (or professional schools in general) is... it churns out professionals. So in that sense, none of us are irreplaceable. If I'm not around to be that ER doc (or whatever), another doc punches in and does the job. Being that I'm not providing a "unique" service/contribution to any given patient, I don't feel like I can honestly claim that I feel that I'm in this totally "for" that patient.

I don't know if that made any sense, but I'm tired and it will have to suffice. 😴
 
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