Do you know of anyone who cheated and got in?

[wwdaffodils]

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I think you should re-think dentistry and really think about going into the undercover anti-cheater field.

I have never and never plan on cheating, but I have to say your pretty damn lame!!!

I was asked on one of my interviews the typical "if you saw someone cheating....." question and i answered it truthfully. I said if it was something that would DIRECTLY harm another person, then i would have it brought to somebody's attention otherwise i personally believe that when a person cheats their way through life (especially academia) it will catch up to them. I got accepted...

I honestly hate when people try to cheat off me and look at my test, so i cover it. But i dont go turn them in after(im sure dentista123 would) I definitely DO NOT condone cheating and even look down at people who i know cheat. BUUTT I also look down at people who snitch on every little incident. I really dont like snitches, but to each his own i guess.

There's a difference between speaking up "because my brother stole a cookie from the cookie jar before dinner" and speaking up when you feel ethically and morally compelled. What dentista pointed out is not a case of playground tattling; it's outright plagiarism, which is a huge problem in academia. Indiscriminately labeling people as "snitches" discourages academic honesty and perpetuates the cycle by doing so.

 

[Tommy43087]

There's a difference between speaking up "because my brother stole a cookie from the cookie jar before dinner" and speaking up when you feel ethically and morally compelled. What dentista pointed out is not a case of playground tattling; it's outright plagiarism, which is a huge problem in academia. Indiscriminately labeling people as "snitches" discourages academic honesty and perpetuates the cycle by doing so.

We see different ways i guess.

I personally dont feel the need to weed people(cheaters) out, i simply believe that people will get weeded out one way or another down the line. I completely believe that if you cheat IT WILL catch up to you. Like i said in my previous post I have seen people attempt to cheat off my test multiple times in class, I simply covered my paper and went on with my life. Yea that person deserved to get caught, but i PERSONALLY didnt wanna run up to the teacher to tell on them(again I feel it will catch up to them sooner or later) Am i wrong? Am I to be blamed for the ongoing cycle of cheating?

I simply gave my point of view...

I believe that the anatomy lab story that 63B2B told was of the same caliber, personally i think thats reeeeally lame for a person to go out of their way to call someone out! Now if your a part of administration in ANY way, different story. But just another student?

Im very laidback, and to me what dentista did was pretty uptight. DO you really think someone who is constantly plagiarizing papers isnt going to have it catch up to them sometime in their academic(and beyond) career?

But again this is all just my opinion....

Some of you wont like it....oh well.

 

[Tooth Pulp]

I'm with you Tommy. My teammate actually texted me and asked if I would come take his organic test for him, WHILE HE WAS TAKING IT. He had to take it a day late because of a sporting interference, where I took it earlier. he offered me $100 bucks. Haha. I never turned him in, but told him he was a f**cking idiot. And like you said, it did catch up with him, in many ways.

 

[Tommy43087]

I'm with you Tommy. My teammate actually texted me and asked if I would come take his organic test for him, WHILE HE WAS TAKING IT. He had to take it a day late because of a sporting interference, where I took it earlier. he offered me $100 bucks. Haha. I never turned him in, but told him he was a f**cking idiot. And like you said, it did catch up with him, in many ways.

My point exactly!

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[Predoctalk]

People cheat all the time. Everyone needs to let it go and as previously stated by above posters, worry about themselves. The risk of cheating just isn't worth the reward in most cases. However, if the student in question got away with it, so be it. The fact that he did not shadow 1000 hrs is not going to affect his perfiormance in DS. Other parts of his app such as gpa/DAT had to be acceptable as well, which are far better indicators of success than shadowing hours. In addition, this talk about bad morals/ethics is ridiculous. Clearly, there is a difference between lying about shadowing hours and ripping off patients. If you get caught lying about shadowing hours, you aren't going to prison. Nobody here is perfect so get off your high horses. Learning to "roll with the punches" is something that everyone should do. Quite frankly, I am shocked to see people so flabbergasted by this. The world leaders lie to serve an agenda and you are surprised that some kid willing to do anything to gain acceptance would lie...naive

 

[FutureDent020]

People cheat all the time. Everyone needs to let it go and as previously stated by above posters, worry about themselves. The risk of cheating just isn't worth the reward in most cases. However, if the student in question got away with it, so be it. The fact that he did not shadow 1000 hrs is not going to affect his perfiormance in DS. Other parts of his app such as gpa/DAT had to be acceptable as well, which are far better indicators of success than shadowing hours. In addition, this talk about bad morals/ethics is ridiculous. Clearly, there is a difference between lying about shadowing hours and ripping off patients. If you get caught lying about shadowing hours, you aren't going to prison. Nobody here is perfect so get off your high horses. Learning to "roll with the punches" is something that everyone should do. Quite frankly, I am shocked to see people so flabbergasted by this. The world leaders lie to serve an agenda and you are surprised that some kid willing to do anything to gain acceptance would lie...naive

Good points. I always say, if you are not cheating, you are not trying. And predoctalk is right, putting you shadowed for 1000 hrs is not worth the reward. A common interview question is 'tell me about your dental experiences'. So then it comes down to what you took from the experience, not how many hours you stood over a dentists shoulder.

 

[Saddleshoes]

Hey folks
I've been around this stuff for a long time as a student as a dentist and as an educator. I have noticed that yes, cheaters do make gains in the short term. However, in the long term they usually get it in the ass big time!

I have story after story on this issue. Some involve law suits, some involve divorce, some involve jail time, some involve murder.

 

[yuppers]

People cheat all the time. Everyone needs to let it go and as previously stated by above posters, worry about themselves.

Just because people do it all the time does not justify the action. But I agree that people should just worry about themselves... people who cheat are just hurting themselves in the long run. Karma can be a b*tch.

In addition, this talk about bad morals/ethics is ridiculous. Clearly, there is a difference between lying about shadowing hours and ripping off patients. If you get caught lying about shadowing hours, you aren't going to prison. Nobody here is perfect so get off your high horses.

I think this morals/ethics talk has a valid point. Someone who cheats does so blatantly knowing that it is wrong, and he/she can easily get caught. Say this person does get caught, professional schools or employers must ask themselves if this person can be fully trusted if he/she is alone and dealing with money, insurance papers, prescriptions drugs, etc....

Nobody is perfect... yeah I agree, therefore, there is no need to cheat or lie to try to become perfect.

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox...or my high horse. 😉

 

[Predoctalk]

Just because people do it all the time does not justify the action. But I agree that people should just worry about themselves... people who cheat are just hurting themselves in the long run. Karma can be a b*tch.


I think this morals/ethics talk has a valid point. Someone who cheats does so blatantly knowing that it is wrong, and he/she can easily get caught. Say this person does get caught, professional schools or employers must ask themselves if this person can be fully trusted if he/she is alone and dealing with money, insurance papers, prescriptions drugs, etc....

Nobody is perfect... yeah I agree, therefore, there is no need to cheat or lie to try to become perfect.

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox...or my high horse. 😉

I don't condone cheating, but it doesn't upset/surprise me. As so many have stated, the individual in question is only hurting himself. If he continues to cheat, it will likely catch up with him and he will have to deal with the consequences. All I am saying, is that we are all left unaffected by this. If and when someone else is involved (ripping off patients for example) it is definitely worth reporting. Perhaps I just don't see it as a big deal because I don't think shadowing is very relevant. In addition, I'd like to apologize if my last post seemed harsh. I just believe we should live and let live and understand that in desperation people will do whatever it takes.

 

[4X4MD]

I don't condone cheating, but it doesn't upset/surprise me. As so many have stated, the individual in question is only hurting himself. If he continues to cheat, it will likely catch up with him and he will have to deal with the consequences. All I am saying, is that we are all left unaffected by this. If and when someone else is involved (ripping off patients for example) it is definitely worth reporting. Perhaps I just don't see it as a big deal because I don't think shadowing is very relevant. In addition, I'd like to apologize if my last post seemed harsh. I just believe we should live and let live and understand that in desperation people will do whatever it takes.

i dont think thats true. depends on the extent of the cheating and how you view ethics and morality, but if in a hypothetical situation, the cheating applicant were selected over another applicant due to falsified records, then they would certainly affect the other aspiring student. can you imagine how you'd feel if you didn't get in because someone lied about the things they did as an undergrad? id be furious. even if that applicant was still a superior applicant, it would be a question of how important ethics are to the overall performance of the dental profession

now i personally see ethics sitting in a very gray area due to there subjective nature. what goes for one might not be true for another, and this is increasingly common in our diverse country. it is up to you to decide how far you are willing to go to succeed. unfortunately, life just isn't fair. not everyone has the same chances and opportunities, if we did, we'd probably all be playing professional sports or be famous actors and singers. this just is not the case

all that being said, i don't think id turn in the person cheating on the test or the person skimming on shadowing/volunteering hours. its just too minor to me to be a factor in that particular decision. however, if i were able to recognize someone as a consecutive cheater and liar, well then HELL YES i am going to turn them in. I've worked too hard in my organic chemistry class to see that group of a dozen or so pre-meds cheat off of each other and receive the top grades in the class, and if someone thinks im a tattle-tale for taking all my evidence and observations to the dean, well they can suck it.

edit: the above paragraph referring to the cut-throat pre-meds was hypothetical, but of course i'd turn them in if faced with the overwhelming evidence in that situation

again, you just have to look at the magnitude of the situation...we have all probably cheated or lied at one point in our academic careers, but the goal is to be as upstanding and ethical as possible. someone with a distinct history of unethical behavior who repeatedly shows signs of improper conduct even after intervention would be the one I am willing to hand in to the proper persons

think about that