Do you lie?

[penguins429]

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During interviews, do you tell the admissions comittee what they want to hear, or the truth? ... for example, when they ask, would you rather be a leader or a follower, almost always they would like to hear that you would like to be a leader ... but what if you wouldn't?

 

[kkelloww]

During interviews, do you tell the admissions comittee what they want to hear, or the truth? ... for example, when they ask, would you rather be a leader or a follower, almost always they would like to hear that you would like to be a leader ... but what if you wouldn't?

The adcom asked me how I lost my arm. I told them in Iraq, but it was really a shaving accident. Is that wrong?

 

[ethyl]

In your example, I would have no problem answering in being a follower. In order to lead properly you need to be a good follower. Watching my superiors manage at work has given me awesome insight in leadership skills and how to handle different personalities. Admissions want followers and leaders. You can't have an entire class full of leaders otherwise there will be huge conflict regarding group work.

 

[DownonthePharm]

When they asked me what my role usually is in group projects, and I didnt lie. I said I was usually always the idea person. The one with the creative out-of-the box plans. I said I didnt see myself as a leader, but I had no qualms about telling people what I thought would best serve the team when needed.

If you are interested in pharmacy for the right reasons (i.e. not about the money, the chicks or the proximity to controlled substances) then you have nothing to lose by being honest. Yes, you can pretty things up a bit, but dont tell them what you think they want to hear. They are looking for all types of people, so if you tell them you are a leader they may think...hmmm too bad, we need some more team players. Not everyone is or should be a leader, and they recognize that.

 

[alwaystired]

The adcom asked me how I lost my arm. I told them in Iraq, but it was really a shaving accident. Is that wrong?

i wouldn't want your karma right now.

 

[Julientampa]

 

[Moxxie]

The only thing that I might have fudged a bit was when they asked if I like to work in a group or by myself. I said that I liked to work in small groups sometimes and by myself sometimes. But honestly? I've only had maybe one group project that has gone smoothly. I do like to study in groups/do group discussions, but I really loathe working on presentations/papers with other people. I usually get grouped with people that don't really care or don't understand the assignment. It might change in pharmacy school, but I like to be able to only have to rely on myself when it comes to grades.

As far as lying about other stuff - why bother? It might come back and bite you, and I'd rather not have to stress about it. If worse comes to worse, omission is better than not telling the truth.

 

[thaliagoo]

You think they want to hear you are a leader... yet it goes so much beyond that. If you seem to claim yourself as a leader too quickly, they might think that you are dominating, stubborn, you want your own ideas without listening to the points of others. You do not have to call yourself a leader to answer this question the right way.

Don't say things you're not comfortable with- they can see through that (remember these people have looked at thousands of applicants, many answering the exact same questions as you!). Be honest, and be positive.

 

[ginephre]

they all know what "canned" answers are... i think they'd rather hear the truth, even if it's not exacly what they want to hear, than hearing some generic, insincere answer!

 

[laua]

The adcom asked me how I lost my arm. I told them in Iraq, but it was really a shaving accident. Is that wrong?

you lost an arm?.....r u serious?.......

 

[alvarce85]

come on guys I think he was joking about losing the arm from shaving....unless he was using Gilette Mach 10,000...lol

 

[bdl1411]

I probably answered terribly....I was honest and said I'm an active participant......that I give out ideas, and give feedback.

If that didn't work, I'll definitely stretch the truth to make myself sound more like a leader and more outgoing next time around.

 

[PharmGirl85]

come on guys I think he was joking about losing the arm from shaving....unless he was using Gilette Mach 10,000...lol

OMG!!! I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!

 

[Genuine]

In your example, I would have no problem answering in being a follower. In order to lead properly you need to be a good follower. Watching my superiors manage at work has given me awesome insight in leadership skills and how to handle different personalities. Admissions want followers and leaders. You can't have an entire class full of leaders otherwise there will be huge conflict regarding group work.

WOOW... thats a good answer! 👍

 

[twester]

I'm not much of a sugar-coater. I was challenged in one of my interviews and kind of came back at one of the interviewers (in a polite, but "you're full of feces" kind of way). Needless to say, I'm not hopeful that I'm going to get into that school (which is unfortunate since it was my first choice).

Unless that was the idea... Who knows? I haven't been rejected yet, so there might be hope yet.

 

[dabumba]

You think they want to hear you are a leader... yet it goes so much beyond that. If you seem to claim yourself as a leader too quickly, they might think that you are dominating, stubborn, you want your own ideas without listening to the points of others. You do not have to call yourself a leader to answer this question the right way.

Don't say things you're not comfortable with- they can see through that (remember these people have looked at thousands of applicants, many answering the exact same questions as you!). Be honest, and be positive.

I think that what they are looking for is: "Is your answer contradict with what you stated in your application?"

Now come to this:
1) in your application, do you list any activities that put you in a leadership position?
2) in your application, do you list any extracurricular activities?

If you answer YES to both, you can say you are somewhat a leader. If you answer NO to either one, NEVER say you are a leader.

What wrong with the answer: "I am a follower with a potential to become a leader naturally"

Good luck.

 

[DownonthePharm]

I probably answered terribly....I was honest and said I'm an active participant......that I give out ideas, and give feedback.

If that didn't work, I'll definitely stretch the truth to make myself sound more like a leader and more outgoing next time around.

I dont think you should have stretch the truth to them next time. If you look above you'll see that I answered almost the exact same thing. In fact my whole letter of intent was centered around my struggles with social anxiety disorder. So they are not centered only on picking the outgoing, rambling, leaders.

 

[bdl1411]

I dont think you should have stretch the truth to them next time. If you look above you'll see that I answered almost the exact same thing. In fact my whole letter of intent was centered around my struggles with social anxiety disorder. So they are not centered only on picking the outgoing, rambling, leaders.

Yeah, that is good advice. I will just be so disappointed if I don't get in, and I feel like my biggest flaw is the same thing you said, social anxiety disorder. But you are right, instead of lying about it, I should do a better job of explaining it. It is good to hear it worked for you.....gives me confidence if I have to try again.

 

[Mangosteen]

They tend to ask you questions that expand on your previous answer, thus one lie will lead to another lie and another and another...until you're in so deep you can't get out. Plus you'll be struggling to keep it all straight and that allow them to see straight through you.

Besides why lie just so you can get in? If pharmacy isn't what you want, why bother making yourself go through 4 yrs of hell? Don't do this because your parents force you too. You'll be so miserable you eventually may drop out and would waste all that time, effort, and money. Is it worth it?

 

[ForcTe]

I had 8 interviews during the pharmacy admission process.
During the first 4 interviews, I was totally honest. I was denied or waitlisted.

During the 4 remaining interviews, I lied to my interviewers, I said I've worked in a retail pharmacy for 6 months, volunteered for 2 associations, and was member of a pre-pharm association, and would get my BS in Biochemistry by the time I enter the pharmacy program, which is not true since I was supposed to graduate in May 2007... but my transcript doesn't show it anyway.

I don't say that the adcom is totally stupid, but I just want to say that you can get into pharm school if you are a good actor...

 

[Moxxie]

I had 8 interviews during the pharmacy admission process.
During the first 4 interviews, I was totally honest. I was denied or waitlisted.

On the 4 remaining interviews, I lied to my interviewers, I said I've worked in a retail pharmacy for 6 months, volunteered for 2 associations, and was member of a pre-pharm association, and would get my BS in Biochemistry by the time I enter the pharmacy program, which is not true since I was supposed to graduate in May 2007... but my transcript doesn't show it anyway.

I don't say that the adcom is totally stupid, but I just want to say that you can get into pharm school if you are a good actor...

👎 👎 👎 😡

 

[insipid1979]

I had 8 interviews during the pharmacy admission process.
During the first 4 interviews, I was totally honest. I was denied or waitlisted.

During the 4 remaining interviews, I lied to my interviewers, I said I've worked in a retail pharmacy for 6 months, volunteered for 2 associations, and was member of a pre-pharm association, and would get my BS in Biochemistry by the time I enter the pharmacy program, which is not true since I was supposed to graduate in May 2007... but my transcript doesn't show it anyway.

I don't say that the adcom is totally stupid, but I just want to say that you can get into pharm school if you are a good actor...

You do know that lying during the application process is grounds for getting kicked out of the school/taking away your acceptance. They can even kick you out in the middle of your four years if they found out you lied during the application process. I hope Nova finds out that you lied and takes away your acceptance.

How do you feel about screwing over another applicant who spent a lot of time volunteering and working while possibly having their grades and social life suffer so they can have a competitive application...just so a scumbag like yourself can lie to the admission committee about doing the same things and then you take away their seat? I know if I applied to Nova and got rejected or waitlisted I would be sending them an e-mail/calling about you right now. Hopefully they will check up to see if you got your bachelors degree and when they see you didn't they will take away your acceptance.

 

[csa78]

i seriously hope you don't get into the pharmacy schools that you lied to ... that is very unethical; thanks for being honest, but that is seriously ridiculous ... there is really no need for explanation on my part ... that was outright a dumb idea

I had 8 interviews during the pharmacy admission process.
During the first 4 interviews, I was totally honest. I was denied or waitlisted.

During the 4 remaining interviews, I lied to my interviewers, I said I've worked in a retail pharmacy for 6 months, volunteered for 2 associations, and was member of a pre-pharm association, and would get my BS in Biochemistry by the time I enter the pharmacy program, which is not true since I was supposed to graduate in May 2007... but my transcript doesn't show it anyway.

I don't say that the adcom is totally stupid, but I just want to say that you can get into pharm school if you are a good actor...

 

[pharmacology]

The adcom asked me how I lost my arm. I told them in Iraq, but it was really a shaving accident. Is that wrong?

And they have pity for you and note that on your interview sheet. Then the entire adcom meets to review the students. They come to yours and read your comment about iraq and your arm. Then they look at your transcripts and notice that you have been in school since 2001 yet you said you lost it in 2003. They realize you were not telling them the true so they turn around and tell you the truth....your rejected!

Watch what you say to an adcom member. They have likely heard it all and can readily find out the truth. At least on certain issues. Be forewarned!

 

[juliarx]

It is very hard to believe him since I was interviewed to several schools and it's almost impssible to lie because they will ask you to detail your experience.
I don't think the admission committee is that naive 😉

 

[Caverject]

I know if I applied to Nova and got rejected or waitlisted I would be sending them an e-mail/calling about you right now. Hopefully they will check up to see if you got your bachelors degree and when they see you didn't they will take away your acceptance.

You really need to get a life

btw- what would you do? Call up Nova and say, "ForcTe from SDN LIED in their interview and I have the proof to show it. Could you please review their acceptance?"

I'd laugh at you and then blackball you if I ever received that phone call from someone

 

[ethyl]

I talked to a guy in admissions up north. He told me about how so many people have broken down and cried during interviews. I guess people just nervously say "yes" to a question when really they mean no... then he usually asks them to go more in-depth into their answer... and they just break down from the pressure. unno: They were all women though. He said one guy got a little teary eyed once. 😳

 

[insipid1979]

You really need to get a life

btw- what would you do? Call up Nova and say, "ForcTe from SDN LIED in their interview and I have the proof to show it. Could you please review their acceptance?"

I'd laugh at you and then blackball you if I ever received that phone call from someone

Yeah I need to get a life 🙄 . I guess it is ok to lie in your application process saying that you did things that you never did...that doesn't hurt anybody right? I just know that if I applied to Nova and spent a lot of time volunteering and working at a job while getting a bachelors degree and got rejected or waitlisted I would be pretty pissed that this person lied and got in. People sacrifice a lot of things in order to have the time to volunteer and have a job.

I would just say someone told me they lied to the adcom about getting a BS Biochemistry degree before they start attending your school...when they knew they wouldn't get it until May 2007, and they also informed me that they lied about volunteering and job experience. They might check to see if his transcript has a Biochemistry BS degree on it when they recieve it and if it doesn't they will tell him they are withdrawing his acceptance. It doesn't seem too far fetched to me. I am sure they will be a little more mature than you and understand why I would be calling.

I don't see why you are sticking up for a person who lied about having a job, volunteering and being in a pre-pharm association. Maybe I am not the one who needs to get a life...

 

[sarahjth]

Yeah I need to get a life 🙄 . I guess it is ok to lie in your application process saying that you did things that you never did...that doesn't hurt anybody right? I just know that if I applied to Nova and spent a lot of time volunteering and working at a job while getting a bachelors degree and got rejected or waitlisted I would be pretty pissed that this person lied and got in. People sacrifice a lot of things in order to have the time to volunteer and have a job.

I would just say someone told me they lied to the adcom about getting a BS Biochemistry degree before they start attending your school...when they knew they wouldn't get it until May 2007, and they also informed me that they lied about volunteering and job experience. They might check to see if his transcript has a Biochemistry BS degree on it when they recieve it and if it doesn't they will tell him they are withdrawing his acceptance. It doesn't seem too far fetched to me. I am sure they will be a little more mature than you and understand why I would be calling.

I don't see why you are sticking up for a person who lied about having a job, volunteering and being in a pre-pharm association. Maybe I am not the one who needs to get a life...

Excuse me if I am wrong.. but shouldn't they already check? I mean how many others have went to this extreme?

 

[ForcTe]

Yeah I need to get a life 🙄 . I guess it is ok to lie in your application process saying that you did things that you never did...that doesn't hurt anybody right? I just know that if I applied to Nova and spent a lot of time volunteering and working at a job while getting a bachelors degree and got rejected or waitlisted I would be pretty pissed that this person lied and got in. People sacrifice a lot of things in order to have the time to volunteer and have a job.

I would just say someone told me they lied to the adcom about getting a BS Biochemistry degree before they start attending your school...when they knew they wouldn't get it until May 2007, and they also informed me that they lied about volunteering and job experience. They might check to see if his transcript has a Biochemistry BS degree on it when they recieve it and if it doesn't they will tell him they are withdrawing his acceptance. It doesn't seem too far fetched to me. I am sure they will be a little more mature than you and understand why I would be calling.

I don't see why you are sticking up for a person who lied about having a job, volunteering and being in a pre-pharm association. Maybe I am not the one who needs to get a life...

You won't believe me, but I got a 45% pcat score and 3.05 GPA

 

[juliarx]

You won't believe me, but I got a 45% pcat score and 3.05 GPA

That seems too low... ummm... are you serious or joking?

 

[Moxxie]

You won't believe me, but I got a 45% pcat score and 3.05 GPA

Don't feed this troll anymore. He posted earlier that he got a reject from Pittsburgh with a 99 PCAT and a 3.95 GPA. He also posted this long interview he "remembered" that I think gave some people the wrong impression of what interviews are often like. He's just stirring up trouble. It's really sad if he DID get into NOVA - there are some great people on this board that are going to have to put up with him in their class if he decides to attend. It's sad that jerks like this are going to be helping patients in a health care setting someday.

 

[insipid1979]

Excuse me if I am wrong.. but shouldn't they already check? I mean how many others have went to this extreme?

They should check, and hopefully they do. I am sure you would consider contacting Nova and going "to this extreme" if you were just put on their waiting list and had similar stats (truthful stats that is) as he did.

I don't know why I really care...since I didn't apply there and already have an acceptance. I guess it just bothers me that someone like him is going to get in and ruin the image of our profession...when another harder working truthful person could be going to Nova instead of him.

In all probability he wasn't accepted and is just trolling. Actually, I looked at his post history and am certain he is lying since the facts are completely different in his posts.

 

[RyanMaverick]

That's funny insipid. You drop our conversation regarding work policies in the other thread whilst making a comment regarding my work ethic when you really have no idea what kind of worker I am at all. I could make a few comments on what I think it'd be like to work with you as well and none of them would be very good. You further go on to suggest you would actually call up an adcom regarding something you read on an internet forum is beyond rediculous. Perhaps you're unable to detect veiled sarcasm, but would you like to call up the other university stating that an applicant said he lost an arm in the army when he didn't? You need to take this place a little bit easier. Yes it is an academic forum, but you're taking things really too far.

 

[insipid1979]

That's funny insipid. You drop our conversation regarding work policies in the other thread whilst making a comment regarding my work ethic when you really have no idea what kind of worker I am at all.

You said you sleep on the job, and you agree with being able to sleep in a pharmacy when you are the only pharmacist working. What more information do I need to judge your work ethic?

I dropped the conversation because you kept ignoring the legality of being allowed to sleep when you are the only pharmacist in the pharmacy...which was a point i repeatedly brought up. Why would I carry a conversation when someone doesn't even address my points. But thanks for dragging that into this thread 👍

I could make a few comments on what I think it'd be like to work with you as well and none of them would be very good.

Good job with the personal attacks 🙄

You further go on to suggest you would actually call up an adcom regarding something you read on an internet forum is beyond rediculous.

I said I would do that if I was an applicant to Nova that was rejected or waitlisted.

Here is a tip. Comprehend what people are saying before you post. You weren't doing it in you "sleeping on the job is A OK" posts and you aren't doing it now.

You can PM me if you have a problem instead of criticizing my posts in other threads because you got insulted that I think sleeping in a pharmacy when you are the only pharmacist there is wrong. I don't think anyone else really wants to see you argue with me in every thread I post in because I said you have poor work ethic.

 

[Caverject]

Yeah I need to get a life 🙄 . I guess it is ok to lie in your application process saying that you did things that you never did...that doesn't hurt anybody right? I just know that if I applied to Nova and spent a lot of time volunteering and working at a job while getting a bachelors degree and got rejected or waitlisted I would be pretty pissed that this person lied and got in. People sacrifice a lot of things in order to have the time to volunteer and have a job.

your argument is invalid. What does this have to do with what I posted?

I would just say someone told me they lied to the adcom about getting a BS Biochemistry degree before they start attending your school...when they knew they wouldn't get it until May 2007, and they also informed me that they lied about volunteering and job experience.

so in otherwords, you were picked on in elementary school and probably called a tattle tale.

They might check to see if his transcript has a Biochemistry BS degree on it when they recieve it and if it doesn't they will tell him they are withdrawing his acceptance. It doesn't seem too far fetched to me. I am sure they will be a little more mature than you and understand why I would be calling.

I love how pre-pharms know everything!

If you think an adcom would take you seriously, think again. From that perspective, you are just causing trouble because you were not good enough to get in. So now your trying take someone down with the slight hope of opening up a spot for you.

I don't see why you are sticking up for a person who lied about having a job, volunteering and being in a pre-pharm association.

Again, invalid. I did not stick up for the poster like you think I did.

Maybe I am not the one who needs to get a life...

Do you feel better now? Hope that didn't cause too many tissues to be used...

 

[insipid1979]

your argument is invalid. What does this have to do with what I posted?

Because you told me to get a life? That usually infers that I am concerned about shouldn't that shouldn't concern anybody. I pointed out why what he did was wrong, and why I reacted the way I did.

so in otherwords, you were picked on in elementary school and probably called a tattle tale.

I can see why so many people like you around here...

If you think an adcom would take you seriously, think again. From that perspective, you are just causing trouble because you were not good enough to get in. So now your trying take someone down with the slight hope of opening up a spot for you.

Not that this applies to me. But "not good enough to get in" and "not good enough to get in because another applicant lied and took your seat" are two different things.

Again, invalid. I did not stick up for the poster like you think I did.

Well it certainly seems like you did...you know saying that noone should be concerned about what he did and all.

Do you feel better now? Hope that didn't cause too many tissues to be used...

So I said the same thing you said and you respond with that? That makes a lot of sense.

 

[RyanMaverick]

PM sent. I'm not going to hijack this thread anymore but we're both clearly missing something. You and Caverject can argue on here now.

 

[YO YO YO]

This is too funny ROFL!!