Do you need a degree to get into vet school?

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I understand your point but the point I'm trying to make is different than what you think. Yes the work is obviously going to be harder in vet school than it is now but what I'm trying to say is the time I spend on everything if going to equal the amount of time I would spend being a full time student. I'm sorry but you think taking chemistry, physics, and calculus along with working 25-30 hours a week and having an internship is not going to be time consuming then you're wrong. Yes I get it might a struggle adjusting but I'm more than confident I will be able to handle it considering the amount of work I am able to take on. Last semester I worked the same amount of time along with being a full time student and interning somewhere else and I managed to have a GPA of 3.9.


This is incorrect. The time spent is not equivalent because volunteering and academics require very different mental workloads and organizational skills. It is not about time. It is about being able to handle multiple classes, subject matters, exams, studying, etc.

When you are working or volunteering, you go do it and you come home. You are done for the day and you only have that job to worry about.

With classes, the work comes home with you. You will have anywhere from 6-8 classes at any one time in vet school and will have to manage all of them. You have to study for classes, you don't have to study for work/interning per se. And that is a huge chunk of time and effort.

Can't compare apples and oranges.

However, OP, the end result here is that taking more classes would be a very good idea. Many applicants had jobs, volunteered, etc while going to school full-time and will be chosen over a part-timer in the admissions cycle every time.
 
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I didn't find the post rude at all other than the very mild jab in the first sentence. I think you're being a little overly sensitive.

I agree, I don't think it was rude either. His response may not have agreed with what your opinions are, but just remember we are here trying to give you helpful advice. The majority of the people who have posted have gone through applications or attended vet school and know what they're talking about, and so I would really think hard about what everyone has told you thus far. You should definitely look at the successful applicants thread (here's 2018 and 2017) or look up successful applicant stats on various school websites, it's daunting, but it gives you some idea of what you'll be going up against. It is certainly possible to be accepted without a degree, but it is very rare and the few people I knew of hadn't just done prereqs, but had completed 3 years of full time work and were accepted as juniors. Especially if you're only a credit or two away from being over 12 credits, it could be the slight bumpup your application may need later. Not to mention if you end up not getting accepted and go the CVT route, all the money you saved by taking part time classes will be completely lost since you won't end up needing the majority of the prereqs.
 
Eh. I totally get what SOV is saying, and I don't think he was rude, but at the same time .... I personally feel like the vet school load/demands are sufficiently beyond what even a heavy undergrad load is like that there's really not much difference between a part-time undergrad load and a heavy full-time undergrad load - neither really prepares you well for the fire hydrant of vet school. (On the other hand, you have to evaluate candidates somehow, so.....)

No matter what your undergrad background, you're likely to struggle at least some adjusting to the pace. Unless you're that top 2-5% or so in vet school that just breeze through because you're just that good. There are a few in every class - I'm kinda jealous some days.

I mean, I take SOV's main point to be that there's a difference between being super busy with a lot of variety of things that all have DIFFERENT demands, and being super busy with the same basic damn thing all day long. And I think he's totally right. The latter imparts a pretty different kind of stress, frustration, and challenge.
 
It is certainly possible to be accepted without a degree, but it is very rare and the few people I knew of hadn't just done prereqs

I know I'm like the only guy speaking against the mass opinion ... and yes, that does tell me that I'm probably wrong ... but I just feel like there's a lot of assumption going on without much actual fact.

Do you have evidence that the acceptance RATE is substantially lower for people without a degree versus people with a degree, especially when you normalize for other application aspects (experience, etc.)? I checked the 2017 class profile at our school, and they don't break out that data, so I don't know. But the fact that there's only a handful of non-degreed students matriculating doesn't necessarily mean that the acceptance rate of those students is dramatically different.
 
I know I'm like the only guy speaking against the mass opinion ... and yes, that does tell me that I'm probably wrong ... but I just feel like there's a lot of assumption going on without much actual fact.

Do you have evidence that the acceptance RATE is substantially lower for people without a degree versus people with a degree, especially when you normalize for other application aspects (experience, etc.)? I checked the 2017 class profile at our school, and they don't break out that data, so I don't know. But the fact that there's only a handful of non-degreed students matriculating doesn't necessarily mean that the acceptance rate of those students is dramatically different.

Agreed.

I can't recall the exact number either (I don't think it's posted anywhere but they told us at the start of the year) but there are several in my class without a degree. I don't have a degree, no rejections first application cycle. So maybe it's not the norm to not have at least a Bachelor's before vet school but don't know if I'd call it uncommon. Ideally, I don't think someone should plan on not getting a degree, it's just a chance to start vet school earlier if you can make the jump.
 
Do you have actual evidence of this?

BTW, I didn't mean this to be an asshat aggressive type of comment, @WhtsThFrequency . I just sincerely feel like there's a lot of "common wisdom" being thrown out in this thread that may, if we actually drilled down to, yanno, evidence-based science ..... turn out to be not correct. It may turn out to be entirely correct, too. I dunno. But that's kinda my point.
 
I know I'm like the only guy speaking against the mass opinion ... and yes, that does tell me that I'm probably wrong ... but I just feel like there's a lot of assumption going on without much actual fact.

Do you have evidence that the acceptance RATE is substantially lower for people without a degree versus people with a degree, especially when you normalize for other application aspects (experience, etc.)? I checked the 2017 class profile at our school, and they don't break out that data, so I don't know. But the fact that there's only a handful of non-degreed students matriculating doesn't necessarily mean that the acceptance rate of those students is dramatically different.

Agreed.

I can't recall the exact number either (I don't think it's posted anywhere but they told us at the start of the year) but there are several in my class without a degree. I don't have a degree, no rejections first application cycle. So maybe it's not the norm to not have at least a Bachelor's before vet school but don't know if I'd call it uncommon. Ideally, I don't think someone should plan on not getting a degree, it's just a chance to start vet school earlier if you can make the jump.

Fair enough, I suppose you have a point. I am certainly making assumptions since I don't have any real evidence other than anecdotal reflections on what I've seen with friends that have applied, and from what I've seen with the application process... but my question is, with the non degree students that are in your classes, how many were part timers that only did the prereqs? I think it is completely achievable to get into vet school without a degree, but all the cases I knew of were either full time students, or mature applicants returning to school. It could probably be done, but considering how much trouble full time degree students have with applications sometimes, I just think there are better options for the OP to pursue that will increase her chances than if she pursues just part time prereqs and applies early. But that's just my opinion. Would be ecstatic for her if she came back in 2 years time with an acceptance letter to shove in our faces.
 
but my question is, with the non degree students that are in your classes, how many were part timers that only did the prereqs?

Absolutely no clue. And I am NOT saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I think we're asserting things without really knowing whether they are right. I sure as hell don't know.
 
Also, I guess another thing that I am more curious about then anything else is how many of the part timers fall into that "non traditional students" category, and how many are just students that are aged somewhere in the at 19-21 range that only did the pre reqs? I feel like that admission people may look at those two groups in a different light, but who knows....
 
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I completely get your point but I think you are focusing too much on if someone obtained a degree or not. We've moved away from that and are discussing full time vs part time status while obtaining pre reqs. How many people do you know did classes part time, only pre reqs and applied to vet school at 20? Most people without a degree still did full time work and you even mentioned previously that those in your class without degrees going in obtained them after the first year. So those students had to have done more than just the pre reqs at a part time status.

I think TT's post says quite a bit. Going to school full time does matter to a degree, how much depends on the school. Is that a good measure of if students can handle a full, science heavy course load? Maybe, maybe not, but it is probably the best measuring tool that vet schools currently have.
 
I think TT's post says quite a bit. Going to school full time does matter to a degree, how much depends on the school. Is that a good measure of if students can handle a full, science heavy course load? Maybe, maybe not, but it is probably the best measuring tool that vet schools currently have.

Yeah, but TT's post was selective for schools that specifically say they care about course load, so it painted a particular picture that may be fairly biased.
 
I was under the impression that nearly every school cared (to some degree) about course load, or at least all the ones I applied to mentioned it. Again, more assumptions though haha, going to go google this.
 
Do you have actual evidence of this?

BTW, I didn't mean this to be an asshat aggressive type of comment, @WhtsThFrequency . I just sincerely feel like there's a lot of "common wisdom" being thrown out in this thread that may, if we actually drilled down to, yanno, evidence-based science ..... turn out to be not correct. It may turn out to be entirely correct, too. I dunno. But that's kinda my point.

No no, I totally get it.

I am mostly basing this on threads here, my peers during my application cycle, what I knew of my classmates and classes before and after us, etc. It is by no means based on studies, simply on personal experience. The only people I know who took part time classes were non-trads with careers and fami
ly to support.

That being said, I have assisted with some adcom stuff while a resident and got a feel for what they look at. Being able to demonstrate that you can handle the academic rigor (not just the experience/time management stuff) is extremely important. maybe that was just for A&M but that was what I got from it.


I know I'm like the only guy speaking against the mass opinion ... and yes, that does tell me that I'm probably wrong ... but I just feel like there's a lot of assumption going on without much actual fact.

Do you have evidence that the acceptance RATE is substantially lower for people without a degree versus people with a degree, especially when you normalize for other application aspects (experience, etc.)? I checked the 2017 class profile at our school, and they don't break out that data, so I don't know. But the fact that there's only a handful of non-degreed students matriculating doesn't necessarily mean that the acceptance rate of those students is dramatically different.

Now this is a different matter in my mind - degree vs non degree. I know a few people in my class who got accepted without a bachelors. But degree vs non degree does not correlate necessarily in full vs part-time.


I feel like (and this is just me) not having a degree plus only being a part-time student would be a double-ding to your application. If you have no degree but have proven yourself by taking full-time courseloads, ok. If you had to be part time but earned a degree, ok.

The issue is further complicated by how these things are VIEWED by the adcoms, not necessarily whether it is more or less difficult. Whether they are right or wrong in how they view it, it doesn't change that fact that they may be biased against people who they feel have not demonstrated that they can handle the course load that is expected of a vet student. Know what I mean? You have to play the game.
 
I was under the impression that nearly every school cared (to some degree) about course load, or at least all the ones I applied to mentioned it. Again, more assumptions though haha, going to go google this.

I was told by my pre-vet advisor in undergrad that every school looks at course load. How heavily they weight it depends on the school, but they all consider it. I dropped to part-time status for a single semester due to extenuating circumstances and I was warned to make sure I explained it in my application so it wouldn't look like I was just slacking off during that time.

I know Colorado's supplemental had a form where you had to fill in the number of credits you were taking and the number of hours you spent on extracurricular activities (including sports, clubs, jobs, internships, etc) each semester. I thought that was a pretty fair way of determining how "busy" each student was in relation to their course load.
 
Your rude comments are not appreciated.
Rude? Wow. Maybe you need to grow some thicker skin. That was pretty mild.

I must have read one of your posts wrong. That does not mean I have poor reading comprehension.

Well you pretty much defined reading comprehension, so perhaps you need to rethink your skills.

"Reading comprehension is defined as the level of understanding of a text/message."

I appreciate your advice but I'm not interested in what you have to say when you're so rude.
Now, that's pretty childish, not rude, just a fact.
Ignore the advice, because you don't like the way it is delivered?

Pretty sure you should be focusing on whether the advice is good or not, not whether you are butt-hurt over how it was delivered.

Quite honestly, I hope you don't come across this way on your application, cause that won't be good.
 
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Some schools don't even consider classes taken on a part-time basis. AVC for sure doesn't (at least for Canadian students).
 
Some schools don't even consider classes taken on a part-time basis. AVC for sure doesn't (at least for Canadian students).
When I applied to AVC as an international student, I believe they required all of the prereqs (or at least specific ones) to be taken during full time semesters. I remember, because one or two I had wanted to use because they had better grades I had taken part time during the summer.
 
Did TT go through all the schools' websites? Or did she just look at a few and posted those? I honestly don't know the answer to this.

I did some and got lazy. Penn only said the more courses, the merrier. Maybe one other place didn't mention it as I was looking. I didn't look at all 30 or whatever there are now.
 
So I know this thread is a few months old, but I just thought of a few things that weren't stated directly here that may be important for the OP.

* This was definitely pointed out above in several posts, but just to be very clear and direct: Although many schools do not require a bachelors degree, this policy essentially applies to students applying as juniors or for non-trad/career changer students returning to school...it was not intended to allow students to take only prerequisite coursework. If you look at just the "prerequisite" pages of various school websites or at the school descriptor pages on AAVMC, it may say "bachelors degree is not required", but if you dig in further, such as in the FAQ, many will say that they only consider students with junior status or equivalent. Even schools that do not specify a grade level, a lot of schools will have a minimum number of TOTAL credit hours which is significantly greater than the credit hours required to complete pre-requisites. For example Cornell does not specify that you have to be a junior, but they require 60 course hours minimum, so if you were theoretically doing 15 credit hours/semester (so full time), it would take you two years. Essentially you will NEED to complete those credit hours eventually, no matter if you are full time, part time, non-trad, traditional, 19 yo or 40 y0. So while not completing a bachelors will save money because you have fewer years of tuition/living expenses to pay, it really does not save any money going part time versus full time. You need to pay for that minimum number of credits no matter whether you are full or part time, and in fact it often saves money to take the courses full time because spending less time in total to get those credits means you will spend less on living expenses, university fees, etc. So yes you CAN get in without a bachelors degree, but going to undergrad part time really does not save you any money. If you want to save money on undergrad that's definitely a smart choice, but you can do it by taking some classes at a community college, getting academic credit for internships, applying for scholarships (which is REALLY important to do now because scholarships are far more scarce for vet school...even if it's not huge, $1,000-2,000 can often cover a whole course!)

*While some people have mentioned the benefit of a bachelors as a fall-back, you also need to think about the limits that not having a bachelors will place on you even if you DO get your DVM. Now many-- probably the majority-- of vet career opportunities won't exclude you because of not having a bachelors, there are those opportunities that will be hindered by this. For instance there are a good deal of government jobs that require you to have a bachelors even if you have a DVM. Now a lot of these have an allowance that work experience can be used to fulfill this requirement, but it often has to be 5-10 years of full time work. There are also many scholarships that you can only apply to if you have a bachelors. Finally at some schools if you decide you want to enroll in a dual degree program like DVM/MPH or DVM/PhD, you need to meet the requirements for the other grad degree, and that often involves having a bachelors or a minimum number of full-time years in undergrad. You may not think that you are interested in these things now, but do you really want to limit yourself?

*Many vet schools spend a lot of time looking at how well-rounded a student is, what the student could contribute to the school and how to create a diverse class. All applicants (or all of the ones that are actually considered) to the vet school have met the prerequisite requirements. All applicants have shadowing/volunteering/interning experience in veterinary and animal setting. The thing is that vet schools don't want a class of students who did great in pre-requisite coursework and are excellent at working with animals but have little experience outside of that. It is the experiences outside of the veterinary realm that makes an applicant really unique, and often the most significant and innovative contributions to veterinary medicine (or any field for that matter) come from people who have experience in many different fields/aspects of life. For me, I had several schools comment post-acceptance that they liked that I started out pre-med and therefore had several work experiences in human hospitals, that I was a French major, and that I am working on writing/illustrating a children's book to submit to literary agencies. Now you definitely don't have to complete a bachelors to gain experience in a wide variety of fields, but being a full-time students is one way to explore class/clubs/sports etc. that are outside the realm of vet med. People who are career-changers, who have families, or who finish their bachelors early and take time to travel/work abroad also have tons of unique experiences to share. Your path of completing just the pre-requisite courses while working and interning/volunteering in vet and animals fields may be challenging and time-consuming, but it leaves little time to gain experience in other realms. These are the kind of experiences that will help you stand out as an applicant, and you will be VERY glad once you start vet school that you took the time to pursue other interests before starting your DVM.

Also bonus of getting in the most undergrad coursework possible is that it WILL help you with your GRE!

Hope this excessively long post is helpful 🙂
 
I'm going into vet school 9 credits short of my BSc. Granted that I'm a mature career changer. I've been taking full-time classes, and working, and volunteering, and doing extra-curriculars, and having a life. My GPA is above 3.7 but below 3.8, and I have a ton of experience hours. But you know what? I was waitlisted. Perhaps if I'd waited until I had that degree in hand I would have gotten straight in. Regardless, I'm not turning down a spot to go back for the last 9 credits!

My point is that it can be done, but I think I'm more the exception than the rule and you'd better look pretty darned awesome on every other aspect of your application! Also, if you're only studying part-time I know many schools (at least here in Canada) won't look at you.
 
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