Do you stay at work in retail pharmacy because you are trapped financially?

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I have over 16 years work experience in retail pharmacy and have now resigned.
I was done after 7 years, but in order to maintain "living expenses" and my marriage I pushed until recently where I can't take it anymore.

I wonder how many of you retail pharmacist feel trapped because you can't find other work and you have a family or bills to maintain.

The job market is tight in NC, as I have already applied to over 50 positions and have had two responses that are contract work. One lasting for 4 months and the other for 1 year out of state at $12-18 per hour.
Both were related to pharmacy but not a pharmacist. Obviously, I am not applying to retail jobs.

Thanks for your responses in advance!

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A lot of hospital position in the east and midwest pays $10 less than retail counterparts. For a new grad that has $200k loan, she/he will be more likely to take a retail position. The difference of $20k/year at $10/h, hard to pass on.

If you live in CA, the difference in pay between hospital and retail is only +/- $3/hr for a staff position, add another $3 for manager position in metro area, add $7 more in the ****tiest boondocks, I have seen offer up to $75/hr in the no mans land retail in CA LOL. That difference is so huge that it's hard not to get lured into taking the position. I am lucky I don't have any loan and able to amass pretty significant amount of money for a 29 yo but I am still stuck at retail due to immigration problem. As soon as I get my paper in order, I'd look for the nearest exit sign for better retirement benefit and not standing 8-12h/day for 30 more years.

I think you might have a lifestyle creep. The more income you have, the more you spend. Try not to get sucked into a rat race and keeping up with the Joneses. Don't need to buy the biggest house, newest Iphone, biggest TV, eat out everyday, and live in the best neighborhood. Keep the overhead cost down; all you need to survive is a roof over your head, good education for your kids and food for your family. Everything else is an excess. If an average family can survive with 50k/year, you should be able to do the same. It's not what you make but what you keep.
 
I have over 16 years work experience in retail pharmacy and have now resigned.
I was done after 7 years, but in order to maintain "living expenses" and my marriage I pushed until recently where I can't take it anymore.

I wonder how many of you retail pharmacist feel trapped because you can't find other work and you have a family or bills to maintain.

The job market is tight in NC, as I have already applied to over 50 positions and have had two responses that are contract work. One lasting for 4 months and the other for 1 year out of state at $12-18 per hour.
Both were related to pharmacy but not a pharmacist. Obviously, I am not applying to retail jobs.

Thanks for your responses in advance!

12-18 an hour?
 
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You must realize that hospitals do not want a retail pharmacist anymore in my opinion and research.
The roles are so vastly different, it now pays to hire a new RPh versus train a retail RPh.

I did not fall into the "lifestyle creep" as mentioned.
I am very smart about my money and that has given me the opportunity to leave retail.

My objective was to find out if retail pharmacist are staying in retail because of financial strap and lack of other job opportunities, which I believe is the case.

It is correct that I have had job opportunities that offer between 12-18 and hour. Once was a pharmaceutical travel rep and the other was a data analyst for a pharmacy manager at a hospital.



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Yes, I was in retail because it was the only job I got offered, and I have loans and bills to pay. Now I am back to looking for work.
 
Are you looking to get out of pharmacy completely or just retail? Have you considered family health teams?
 
And for the new Pharmacists that are salivating that they can assume the role of a retail pharmacists I give you the best advice of all.

Stay away from this endless career unless you are looking for disaster in your life.

Here is what you need to know about retail pharmacy:
You will give immunizations: you must give them above all your other customers because if you don't you will be reprimanded or fired.
You may hit a "bleeder" during flu shots, the ones who are on Coumadin or heparin.
You will deal with this in a non-sterile environment.
You will be yelled at constantly.
You will be made to do things that make you uncomfortable.
You will work harder than any other professional guaranteed.
You will get threats of suing.
You will have techs that steal.
You will have phones that never stop ringing.
You will have customers that just want to talk endlessly.
You will not be appreciated.
You are never good friends with management if you run a tight business.
You may eventually hate people.
You may never like being in groups.
You may become a recluse.
You become paranoid.
 
I'm not sure I could quit if I didn't have something else lined up...seems risky. Being unemployed is going to make it even harder to find work. Retail sucks, but to me I'd rather be an employed retail pharmacist than an unemployed pharmacist.
 
Rxadventure, have you looked at health systems in your area that have outpatient pharmacy operations? Often very similar skill set (no need to retrain), safer working conditions, better hours, etc. Take a look into some if you can, you might get lucky!
 
And for the new Pharmacists that are salivating that they can assume the role of a retail pharmacists I give you the best advice of all.

Stay away from this endless career unless you are looking for disaster in your life.

Here is what you need to know about retail pharmacy:
You will give immunizations: you must give them above all your other customers because if you don't you will be reprimanded or fired.
You may hit a "bleeder" during flu shots, the ones who are on Coumadin or heparin.
You will deal with this in a non-sterile environment.
You will be yelled at constantly.
You will be made to do things that make you uncomfortable.
You will work harder than any other professional guaranteed.
You will get threats of suing.
You will have techs that steal.
You will have phones that never stop ringing.
You will have customers that just want to talk endlessly.
You will not be appreciated.
You are never good friends with management if you run a tight business.
You may eventually hate people.
You may never like being in groups.
You may become a recluse.
You become paranoid.

Best post ever. :clap::clap::clap: You may want to even add Threats of violence and safety (and robbery) because me and several of my fellow pharmacists have experienced that.
 
Searching for a job can be so depressing. Sometimes it seems overwhelming especially since there are so many no's with no job openings. The worst part is knowing that you have no income coming in.

Trailerpark, I wasn't given a choice. Something really cruel and thoughtless happened by them. I can't discuss it on a public forum. Of course I would have rather worked retail so I had some sort of income coming in.
 
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What's more depressing, working retail or unemployed and job searching?
 
What's more depressing, working retail or unemployed and job searching?
For me, it is more depressing working in retail pharmacy than looking for a job.
Keep in mind that I have many years of experience enjoying very little good and mostly bad memories.

I would like to also mention that those in pharmacy school and new pharmacists aren't "broke" yet from the retail side. Eventually, you will get it. Right now, you will not be jaded. Neither was I.

For those they assume that we should be lucky to have such a good salary, I would like to remind that to get into the profession and make it through school was a lot of money and studying and working harder than your average person. Therefore, the salary should be a little high.

Now, NP, PA, MD,and nurses are taking over our field with various non traditional yet related jobs.
They equally worked hard and are getting rewarded with numerous opportunities with better opportunities, hours in most cases and career advances. I can only base this on my retail pharmacy experience but this beast is what is driving pharmacy school openings. High burn out and the need to pay back loans make this industry very weary for the seasoned pharmacist that still has the desire to make a change that will not happen in retail.
 
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What's more depressing, working retail or unemployed and job searching?

The answer to that will vary from one individual to another, including surrounding circumstances that may or may not be in their favor.

At this particular point, it will be more "depressing" for me to be unemployed or be in a job search.

I'm an intern at a major chain, yet I consider pay grade, naplex, and experience the three things that separate me from the pharmacist.

Actually, I find it more depressing knowing what awaits me after graduation, should I decide to keep challenging my sanity with retail insanity.
 
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I don't think that retail is that bad honestly. I was a teacher before and I get more respect now, work less hours, and don't have to take my work home with me like I used to. I actually get overtime if I work a long day or I work over 40 hours a week. Plus I make a lot more money. I would rather be another type of pharmacist but not so much that I can't appreciate how good I have it now. I could be working for relatively low pay in the classroom while society comments on how greedy I am for wanting a decent retirement.
 
Best post ever. :clap::clap::clap: You may want to even add Threats of violence and safety (and robbery) because me and several of my fellow pharmacists have experienced that.

I had a fat@$$ lady tell me she was going to jump over the counter and f##k me up when I denied her oxycodans. I waited for her fat behind to be able to make it over the counter and try. Of course the best she could do was call her corporate savior and say how im such a naughty pharmacist. Obviously corporate gave her a spanking new $50 shopping card for all her "troubles" and dm came to have a chat about my "inappropriate behavior" that made me so furiuos i wanted to jump over the counter myself and slap him for being a corporate bitch. That was the day i knew i rather eat ramen for life than work retail and dine out.
 
i am in retail simply for the money. with a pharmd, the best paying gig out there is retail. i am a people person though, and although i complain and hate my job with a passion, i rather do retail than sit at a cubicle all day long or staff at a hospital. there is just more going on with retail, and more exposure to medicine than in other areas of pharmacy in my opinion.

and no i am not financially strapped. done with all loans, done with all debt. just paying a mortgage which i don't even need my chain retail job to help me pay for. i'm in it because its good. retail is most of pharmacy
 
I guess it would depend for me. I feel like I may be getting jaded faster than most, because I such a huge amount of debt I feel like I am working my ass off and getting nowhere fast. I have two jobs one at a retail independent and one as a PRN staffer at the hospital. Working for an independent is way better than working for a large retail chain IMO, but it has its downsides.

I guess if I was one of those fortunate individuals who did not have to take out an insurmountable amount of loans, I would have more money and more free time to do the things that really make me happy. Perhaps I wouldn't feel so burnt out.

My ultimate goal is to own an independent, but if the cards don't fall that way fairly soon, I may just go full-time at the hospital. It is far less stressful and with the better benefits, the slightly lower hourly compensation will keep things about even.
 
i am in retail simply for the money. with a pharmd, the best paying gig out there is retail. i am a people person though, and although i complain and hate my job with a passion, i rather do retail than sit at a cubicle all day long or staff at a hospital. there is just more going on with retail, and more exposure to medicine than in other areas of pharmacy in my opinion.

and no i am not financially strapped. done with all loans, done with all debt. just paying a mortgage which i don't even need my chain retail job to help me pay for. i'm in it because its good. retail is most of pharmacy
👍 Well said. I want to warn all the students that retail is not for everyone. You have to have the right personality and attitude to do it. Otherwise you'll burn out like the OP and many others. But due to the job market, probably 50-75% of new graduates will end up in retail, whether they like it or not. So please know what you're getting in to!

As for the original question, no, if anything I feel financially LIBERATED. Retail gave me a part-time job as an intern and scholarship money so I could keep my student loans low. They then gave me a massive sign-on bonus which completely paid off my loans. So now I am free to spend my generous retail salary on whatever I want. And I only work 4 days a week with Thurs-Sat off, so I have plenty of free time to have fun. 🙂 I'm coming up on 10 years in retail, and looking forward to whatever the next 10 years may bring. 🙂
 
50 phone calls this week to any type of pharmacies, and not one pharmacy is hiring. I would be happy to find any open position.
 
"As for the original question, no, if anything I feel financially LIBERATED. Retail gave me a part-time job as an intern and scholarship money so I could keep my student loans low. They then gave me a massive sign-on bonus which completely paid off my loans.


Wow. Never heard of such a blessing. How much was the massive sign-on bonus? Most students have 100K to 200K so you must have got a chunk of change! Let us know we are curious.
 
It was $42,500. My loans were $51k so I should've said the bonus finished off my loans.
 
I worked for CVS because I couldn't take the financial hit initially. But I cut costs where I could and now I don't even work for them part time. Thank god.
 
CVSStinks, I love your screenname. I am going to have you check out your posts.
 
A lot of hospital position in the east and midwest pays $10 less than retail counterparts. For a new grad that has $200k loan, she/he will be more likely to take a retail position. The difference of $20k/year at $10/h, hard to pass on.

If you live in CA, the difference in pay between hospital and retail is only +/- $3/hr for a staff position, add another $3 for manager position in metro area, add $7 more in the ****tiest boondocks, I have seen offer up to $75/hr in the no mans land retail in CA LOL. That difference is so huge that it's hard not to get lured into taking the position. I am lucky I don't have any loan and able to amass pretty significant amount of money for a 29 yo but I am still stuck at retail due to immigration problem. As soon as I get my paper in order, I'd look for the nearest exit sign for better retirement benefit and not standing 8-12h/day for 30 more years.

I think you might have a lifestyle creep. The more income you have, the more you spend. Try not to get sucked into a rat race and keeping up with the Joneses. Don't need to buy the biggest house, newest Iphone, biggest TV, eat out everyday, and live in the best neighborhood. Keep the overhead cost down; all you need to survive is a roof over your head, good education for your kids and food for your family. Everything else is an excess. If an average family can survive with 50k/year, you should be able to do the same. It's not what you make but what you keep.

wise advice. i should follow it! i have been spending money at a very fast pace getting things i don't really need
 
I had a fat@$$ lady tell me she was going to jump over the counter and f##k me up when I denied her oxycodans. I waited for her fat behind to be able to make it over the counter and try. Of course the best she could do was call her corporate savior and say how im such a naughty pharmacist. Obviously corporate gave her a spanking new $50 shopping card for all her "troubles" and dm came to have a chat about my "inappropriate behavior" that made me so furiuos i wanted to jump over the counter myself and slap him for being a corporate bitch. That was the day i knew i rather eat ramen for life than work retail and dine out.

wow!!! I don't blame you! I would have done the same.
 
i am in retail simply for the money. with a pharmd, the best paying gig out there is retail. i am a people person though, and although i complain and hate my job with a passion, i rather do retail than sit at a cubicle all day long or staff at a hospital. there is just more going on with retail, and more exposure to medicine than in other areas of pharmacy in my opinion.

and no i am not financially strapped. done with all loans, done with all debt. just paying a mortgage which i don't even need my chain retail job to help me pay for. i'm in it because its good. retail is most of pharmacy

I disagree with your statement about having more exposure to medicine in a retail setting. I worked at CVS right out of school and a year later I was bored and felt I was forgetting my clinical teachings. I applied for a hospital job. Yes, the pay was less but it was so much more exciting. I was exposed to medications that you will never see in retail. I was finished with work by 4pm and there was still light out when I left my job! (at cvs i was doing 8am till 9pm). I had an hour for lunch! I got a month paid vacation and I got to work with other pharmacists. The only advantage to retail is the salary as far as im concerned. but for me (a pharmd with no student loans) it was not worth the added stress.

5 years after working at the hospital, I switched over to a trauma level 1 hospital where I have been exposed to everything you can possibly think of. IV's, Chemo, neonatal TPN's, methadone clinic, psych clinic......the only thing missing from my resume is experience in industry.
 
I disagree with your statement about having more exposure to medicine in a retail setting. I worked at CVS right out of school and a year later I was bored and felt I was forgetting my clinical teachings. I applied for a hospital job. Yes, the pay was less but it was so much more exciting. I was exposed to medications that you will never see in retail. I was finished with work by 4pm and there was still light out when I left my job! (at cvs i was doing 8am till 9pm). I had an hour for lunch! I got a month paid vacation and I got to work with other pharmacists. The only advantage to retail is the salary as far as im concerned. but for me (a pharmd with no student loans) it was not worth the added stress.

5 years after working at the hospital, I switched over to a trauma level 1 hospital where I have been exposed to everything you can possibly think of. IV's, Chemo, neonatal TPN's, methadone clinic, psych clinic......the only thing missing from my resume is experience in industry.

Awesome! Sadly, I'm kind of feeling the same way here managing a hospital pharmacy department. I can definitely feel my knowledge growing old. There are just so many new studies and trials that can't stay on top of, and we don't have the budget to hire clinical pharmacists who otherwise could have kept me up to date. I hope the next job will let me get more involved. Sadly, unless you want to stay clinical and pass up opportunities to rise through the ranks, eventually you'll lose some of the same skills that was your pride.
 
And for the new Pharmacists that are salivating that they can assume the role of a retail pharmacists I give you the best advice of all.

Stay away from this endless career unless you are looking for disaster in your life.

Here is what you need to know about retail pharmacy:
You will give immunizations: you must give them above all your other customers because if you don't you will be reprimanded or fired.
You may hit a "bleeder" during flu shots, the ones who are on Coumadin or heparin.
You will deal with this in a non-sterile environment.
You will be yelled at constantly.
You will be made to do things that make you uncomfortable.
You will work harder than any other professional guaranteed.
You will get threats of suing.
You will have techs that steal.
You will have phones that never stop ringing.
You will have customers that just want to talk endlessly.
You will not be appreciated.
You are never good friends with management if you run a tight business.
You may eventually hate people.
You may never like being in groups.
You may become a recluse.
You become paranoid.

👍 THIS SHOULD BE STICKY!!!
 
And for the new Pharmacists that are salivating that they can assume the role of a retail pharmacists I give you the best advice of all.

Stay away from this endless career unless you are looking for disaster in your life.

Here is what you need to know about retail pharmacy:
You will give immunizations: you must give them above all your other customers because if you don't you will be reprimanded or fired.
You may hit a "bleeder" during flu shots, the ones who are on Coumadin or heparin.
You will deal with this in a non-sterile environment.
You will be yelled at constantly.
You will be made to do things that make you uncomfortable.
You will work harder than any other professional guaranteed.
You will get threats of suing.
You will have techs that steal.
You will have phones that never stop ringing.
You will have customers that just want to talk endlessly.
You will not be appreciated.
You are never good friends with management if you run a tight business.
You may eventually hate people.
You may never like being in groups.
You may become a recluse.
You become paranoid.

I'd like to add to this

You will be bored doing repetitive, redundant tasks.
You will hate middle managers and corporate types that sit in Ivory towers.
You will hate addicts.
You will watch the clock waiting to get out of work.
You will dread going to work the next day.
 
One of the worst parts for me was having to be in the pharmacy by myself for several hours a day because they were too cheap to hire any help. Needless to say, I had people coming into the store from the drive thru yelling at me. I almost felt embarrassed for the company but in the end, I hate them just the same. Sometimes it would take me 30 minutes or more just to call someone back because I kept waiting on people.
 
I'd like to add to this

You will be bored doing repetitive, redundant tasks.
You will hate middle managers and corporate types that sit in Ivory towers.
You will hate addicts.
You will watch the clock waiting to get out of work.
You will dread going to work the next day.

I didn't necessarily dread going to work because it paid my bills. I just saw it as a means to an end to pay bills. Nowadays even the retail companies are being picky who they hire and thoughtless by not calling people back because of the lack of jobs and oversaturation of new graduates. Even people already working for retail chains their job isn't stable or guaranteed. 🙄🙄
 
I love my retail job - I think I have the ideal setup. I work for a very slow pharmacy. I do about 350 prescriptions a week. We are closed on Sundays and I work 4 10 hour shifts a week. Every 3 weeks, I get 5 days off in a row. Because we are so slow I don't have a tech. I work alone and sometimes that sucks, but I know everything that goes on in the pharmacy, and I know every single one of my patients. I train tech students to get some free help. Sure Mondays can suck when I am answering the phone, doing a transfer, ringing out a patient, and trying to counsel all at the same time.

The best part about my job is I have been basically handed a pharmacy that was run by terrible pharmacists for a long time and I have the chance to fix it. I have RX count up 10% in the year I have been here and everything is going well. My patients are extremely nice and appreciate that I know each of their names. How many pharmacists can say that?

I graduated in 2012.
 
A lot of hospital position in the east and midwest pays $10 less than retail counterparts. For a new grad that has $200k loan, she/he will be more likely to take a retail position. The difference of $20k/year at $10/h, hard to pass on.

If you live in CA, the difference in pay between hospital and retail is only +/- $3/hr for a staff position, add another $3 for manager position in metro area, add $7 more in the ****tiest boondocks, I have seen offer up to $75/hr in the no mans land retail in CA LOL. That difference is so huge that it's hard not to get lured into taking the position. I am lucky I don't have any loan and able to amass pretty significant amount of money for a 29 yo but I am still stuck at retail due to immigration problem. As soon as I get my paper in order, I'd look for the nearest exit sign for better retirement benefit and not standing 8-12h/day for 30 more years.

I think you might have a lifestyle creep. The more income you have, the more you spend. Try not to get sucked into a rat race and keeping up with the Joneses. Don't need to buy the biggest house, newest Iphone, biggest TV, eat out everyday, and live in the best neighborhood. Keep the overhead cost down; all you need to survive is a roof over your head, good education for your kids and food for your family. Everything else is an excess. If an average family can survive with 50k/year, you should be able to do the same. It's not what you make but what you keep.


I loved what you said there "it's not what you make but what you keep."
 
I'm not sure I could quit if I didn't have something else lined up...seems risky. Being unemployed is going to make it even harder to find work. Retail sucks, but to me I'd rather be an employed retail pharmacist than an unemployed pharmacist.

Agreed. Same goes for any type of pharmacist in a dangerous work enviornment.
 
wise advice. i should follow it! i have been spending money at a very fast pace getting things i don't really need
this is probably the smartest post here - My brother was a teacher making 16k a year in 1995 - he survived, why can't we on 100k?
 
Livestyle creep go me for my first 7 years or so out of school. Then I took a look in the mirror when my prn work dried up. I still don't make what I made 9 years ago (I had a crap ton of overtime). But I have much more free money, I paid off part of my loans - now only pay 422 a month - car is paid off, rent is 750 a month - one of my bi weekly paychecks more than pays for my living expenses. I save the max in a 403b + 5500 in a roth = almost 30k a year going into retirement. I travel a crap load. But I pack my lunch, dont eat out much - but I am a craft beer snob. I have so much more freedom, and I tolerate my job - it is hospital, but when I worked retail I hated life and was grumpy. But had a nice big mcmansion, fancy car, etc..... ugh
 
If you are comparing clinical pharmacist to retail I'd imagine most would take the clinical position. 10k isn't that much less when you make 6 figures.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to work at a hospital and just stare at chicken scratch all day in the bottom floor in a cubical with no patient interaction if you can't get a clinical position though.

If you work in retail and you are constantly swamped then something isn't being done right and it always comes down to training or laziness. I work at one of the busiest stores and have plenty of time to talk to my patients. Usually it comes down to the pharmacist, I have met the worst pharmacists when I get vacation covered.

I love retail and would never go to hospital unless its clinical only. Hospital pharmacists are always lazy pharmacists that don't want to work hard.
 
If you are comparing clinical pharmacist to retail I'd imagine most would take the clinical position. 10k isn't that much less when you make 6 figures.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to work at a hospital and just stare at chicken scratch all day in the bottom floor in a cubical with no patient interaction if you can't get a clinical position though.

If you work in retail and you are constantly swamped then something isn't being done right and it always comes down to training or laziness. I work at one of the busiest stores and have plenty of time to talk to my patients. Usually it comes down to the pharmacist, I have met the worst pharmacists when I get vacation covered.

I love retail and would never go to hospital unless its clinical only. Hospital pharmacists are always lazy pharmacists that don't want to work hard.

I bet you are a joy to work with having that attitude
 
It's a blast not being swamped and hating my job so yes

"Hospital pharmacists are always lazy pharmacists that don't want to work hard."

That was what I was referring to...I'm not even a hospital pharmacist and found that offensive
 
"Hospital pharmacists are always lazy pharmacists that don't want to work hard."

That was what I was referring to...I'm not even a hospital pharmacist and found that offensive

Why else do you think they want to work in a cubicle away from patient interaction? They can't handle/are too lazy for retail. Ask any pharmacist that made the switch and they will say it's too hectic. I say they are lazy.
 
Not everyone can handle retail, those are the ones that complain.
 
Not everyone can handle retail, those are the ones that complain.

I don't know; that seems a little bit harsh. However, you have to admit that conditions in retail pharmacy have gotten really bad in the past decade or so.
 
I don't know; that seems a little bit harsh. However, you have to admit that conditions in retail pharmacy have gotten really bad in the past decade or so.

This is very true, I used to have about 20 more hours of tech help with similar numbers. You just have to adapt, not all can
 
Not everyone can handle retail, those are the ones that complain.

Over generalize much?


I work/have worked both. Most people that have worked 20 years in retail would last 2 weeks in my job.
Vice Versa, most Rph's that have worked 20 years in hospital could not last two weeks in retail.

two different worlds, as long as people like you enjoy retail, better for me, fewer people depressing my salaries. There is a reason they have to pay more in retail to get people to stay.
 
Why else do you think they want to work in a cubicle away from patient interaction? They can't handle/are too lazy for retail. Ask any pharmacist that made the switch and they will say it's too hectic. I say they are lazy.

True. When I worked as an intern I got to experience plenty of patient interaction and I was asked clinical questions all of the times like "where is the restroom key?", "can I pay for this here (pointing at a roll of toilet paper)?" and "can I get cash back?".
 
Over generalize much?


I work/have worked both. Most people that have worked 20 years in retail would last 2 weeks in my job.
Vice Versa, most Rph's that have worked 20 years in hospital could not last two weeks in retail.

two different worlds, as long as people like you enjoy retail, better for me, fewer people depressing my salaries. There is a reason they have to pay more in retail to get people to stay.

Could you please explain how someone couldn't handle a hospital setting? Remember I'm talking simply those pharmacists that sit and enter prescription orders in. People I know in that setting have a different perspective I guess.
 
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