docs can get away from speeding tix?

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true or bs;

when u r flying by on the interstate at 100+mph on a quiet highway afterhours or early morning and a cop starts chasing u, u just hold out your stet through the window and most cops will let u go. at worst if they still pull you over, if you tell the officer you are on your way to the hospital you dont get a ticket.

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What about S.W.A.T teams and the FBI?
 
I know docs who have gotten away with speeding, so I guess it's true. However, you have to be careful - sometimes the cop will insist on following you to the hospital!
 
This was like way back in the 60's and 70's, but my grandfather, who was an ENT, saved a couple cops or something to that notion and got a little card that he showed to cops that pulled him over. It was his little get out jail free card. I have no idea if stuff like this still exists, but I wouldnt be surprised.

Tooth
 
I've tlaked to several of my EM attendings, and almost all of them have not gotten a ticket since they've become attendings. I think its even easier for us EM'ers because we work with the cops day in and day out (I make sure to shake hands with all the cops that come in).

Q, DO
 
I never got a ticket when I was a resident. But then again I didn't openly flout the law and was very respectful when pulled over. Plus I talked weapons with cops all the time.

I suggest the OP try what was described, and see what happens... 🙄
 
Originally posted by QuinnNSU
I think its even easier for us EM'ers because we work with the cops day in and day out (I make sure to shake hands with all the cops that come in).
Q, DO

Promise me you won't kiss their ass too much. They deserve respect for doing a job I don't want but don't go too far.

They are still cops and can get in the way of patient care at times.
 
I don't think that the stethoscope thing would work. The reason for this is that it is doubtful that any cop would see a stethoscope hanging out the window of a car going 100+ mph during the afterhours/ early morning. Now with that said, I do know of one ER doc that did get out of a speeding ticket after he was caught doing 100 mph on a major highway. I am pretty sure that he got pulled over by the cop first though😀

Willie B
 
Yeah I don't know about the stethoscope thing, but I do know that a lot of cops won't give you a ticket if they see you are a doc. My dad has been pulled over multiple times for speeding and usually just puts on his hospital ID and the cop will let him go. He hasn't gotten a speeding ticket in years even though he has been pulled over numerous times for speeding.
 
As a former police officer (yes, I have worn many hats), I can tell you that during our academy we were encouraged to never give speeding tickets to physicians or nurses. You never know when you might show up in their E.D. We were also encouraged to never give speeding tickets to other officers, which resulted in some animosity between a few agencies in my city a few years ago. Seems a local officer gave a speeding ticket to an off-duty state trooper, who in turn ticketed numerous officers from the original jurisdiction. Of course the situation escalated with threats of arrest, etc, but cooler heads finally prevailed.

Of course, the "immunity" for doctors, nurses, and officers does not extend to DUI's, DWI's, or other such infractions.
 
what about photo-radar tickets? You'd probably have to go to court, but do you think it would help if you told them you were a physician/on your way to the hospital?
 
Originally posted by Pilot
As a former police officer (yes, I have worn many hats), I can tell you that during our academy we were encouraged to never give speeding tickets to physicians or nurses. You never know when you might show up in their E.D. We were also encouraged to never give speeding tickets to other officers, which resulted in some animosity between a few agencies in my city a few years ago. Seems a local officer gave a speeding ticket to an off-duty state trooper, who in turn ticketed numerous officers from the original jurisdiction. Of course the situation escalated with threats of arrest, etc, but cooler heads finally prevailed.

Of course, the "immunity" for doctors, nurses, and officers does not extend to DUI's, DWI's, or other such infractions.
I don't suppose that unofficial exemption extended to other health care professions? You never know when you'll call your dentist at midnight with an excruciating toothache 😉 ...No? Well, it was worth a shot 😀
 
Originally posted by Pilot
As a former police officer (yes, I have worn many hats), I can tell you that during our academy we were encouraged to never give speeding tickets to physicians or nurses.

This is good news! I was pulled over for doing something like 44 in a 35 on the way home one day post-call (so I had my coat on), and before I said anything, he said, "Oh, I know the hours you guys work; you must be in a hurry to go home. That's okay." I said, "thanks," and he let me off the hook.

I thought I was just having a lucky day.
 
Originally posted by Desperado
I've got a School of Medicine license plate holder that has gotten me out of one ticket. No tickets since graduation so far.

My paramedic sticker has done the trick at least 10 times. I should really slow down. One day I won't be able to use that thing.
 
Hasn't worked for me at all.😡 I got 2 speeding tickets in med school and last year. I just couldn't work the whole doctor thing into the conversation and didn't have my coat handy. I do have med school plates though. Sucks for my insurance.
 
Originally posted by Foxxy Cleopatra
This is good news! I was pulled over for doing something like 44 in a 35 on the way home one day post-call (so I had my coat on), and before I said anything, he said, "Oh, I know the hours you guys work; you must be in a hurry to go home. That's okay." I said, "thanks," and he let me off the hook.

I thought I was just having a lucky day.


Your being a cute girl may have had something to do with it too.

Life's not fair +pissed+
 
Originally posted by amdap
I know docs who have gotten away with speeding, so I guess it's true. However, you have to be careful - sometimes the cop will insist on following you to the hospital!

One of the GI docs at my facility was a rotten foul excuse for a human being and walking malpractice suit waiting to happen.

One day he was speeding to work for an endoscopy (he was ALWAYS late and held up cases). He got tailed by a cop and he lied and said he was only rushing to an emergency. When he got to the hospital, he asked the nurses to lie for him. Instead, they told the truth, and he got busted for the speeding, that he didn't have his license or his insurance card with him. and some other charge (because he lied). The nurses also told the cop the route that GI MD took to work. He got busted two more times over the next two weeks.

Don't tick off your nurses, ya'll.
 
I got out of two tix in med school because I was a doctor (to be). I was usually pulled over because I was going alittle too fast in a bad part of town after two a.m. I was on the road because I was leaving school after studying, not drinking.

Both times the cops would ask me where I was headed and of course I would tell them that I was in med school and had just left from studying. They got really cool after that. One asked me if I knew their friend who was also in school. (She was in my class it turned out). The other told me to study real hard in case I ever had to cut him open. I promised him I would.

I'm in EM so I see cops daily. I've already planned in my head how the conversation will go when I am inevitably pulled over for speeding.

Cop: Driver's License and registration please.
Me: Here you go sir.
Cop: Do you know how fast you were going?
Me: I guess I was going alittle over the limit. Say, weren't you in the ER last week?

(here the conversation can take one of two twists. No worries however...)

Cop: No. I don't think so.
Me: Huh. Well, I'm an Emergency Physician at City General. I'm sure I've seen you in there before. In fact, I think I remember your face from when you brought a perp in there for medical clearance. So how have you been doing? Not working too hard, I hope.

(or it may go like this)

Cop: Yeah, I was. How would you know?
Me: I'm an Emergency Physician at City General. I thought I recognized you. Not working too hard I hope.

(or, if by chance I've treated a cop lately, I might mention something like..)

Me: So, how's Officer Charlie doing. I'm the Emergency Physician who treated him for that broken arm/dog bite/(God forbid)GSW last week at City General. Boy, he had us all really worried. Let him know we are thinking about him.



The above should work for most any specialties. I always try to have a friendly word for the cops who come in with the hope that they will remember me on the right shoulder some night!
 
I was pulled over in small town TX, coming from a major regoinal hospital, in my scrubbs, told her I was coming from the ER and she still gave me a ticket. 😕
 
Originally posted by Dr. Zorders
I was pulled over in small town TX, coming from a major regoinal hospital, in my scrubbs, told her I was coming from the ER and she still gave me a ticket. 😕
Small Texas towns are evil, so it's a good thing I left there! The only ticket I've gotten since graduating from med school was also in a small Texas town.
 
I got pulled over two minutes from school in my scrubs. I was coming back from lunch and went through a yellow light that turned red when I was in the middle of the intersection. I wasn't speeding or doing anything illegal. This city cop pulls me over and asks what I'm doing in this city (I have out-of-state plates). I said I go to the med school down the street, and I'm on my way back from lunch. He apologizes and says, "I have to give you a ticket because people saw me pull you over." I was like wtf? You don't have to do anything. I didn't even break the law. He wrote me a ticket for running a stop sign anyway. I went on to tell him that he should be stopping real criminals and how he gets his jollies from pulling people over for no good reason. I told him that I wouldn't forget him or any of his cop buddies when they come into my ER after I'm out of school. I hate cops. Always have, always will.
 
Originally posted by DireWolf
I got pulled over two minutes from school in my scrubs. I was coming back from lunch and went through a yellow light that turned red when I was in the middle of the intersection. I wasn't speeding or doing anything illegal. This city cop pulls me over and asks what I'm doing in this city (I have out-of-state plates). I said I go to the med school down the street, and I'm on my way back from lunch. He apologizes and says, "I have to give you a ticket because people saw me pull you over." I was like wtf? You don't have to do anything. I didn't even break the law. He wrote me a ticket for running a stop sign anyway. I went on to tell him that he should be stopping real criminals and how he gets his jollies from pulling people over for no good reason. I told him that I wouldn't forget him or any of his cop buddies when they come into my ER after I'm out of school. I hate cops. Always have, always will.


"Even though you don't have a pneumothorax, I still have to put this chest tube in you since some people over there saw me pull it off the wall. It will only hurt for a second..."
 
Ed - with this immunity plan, you should be able to make New Orleans in a half hour (actually, in my limited experience that would just about be keeping up with traffic!)
 
Originally posted by edinOH
"Even though you don't have a pneumothorax, I still have to put this chest tube in you since some people over there saw me pull it off the wall. It will only hurt for a second..."

:laugh: :laugh: :meanie:

Me in the ER: I'm sorry officer, but you're going to need a catheter.
Officer: But I only have a sprained ankle.
Me: I know. It's unfortunate, but since I already took it out of the drawer, I'm required to use it.
 
If I were a cop and a doctor acted like they are entitled to get away with breaking the law i would give them the most expensive ticket possible, if they were humble and didnt expect to be let off i would probably let them go.
 
BS-

Too much macho-police-academy coming from too many traffic cops. "I like the pressed polyester" I want to say every time I've been pulled over. As docs we cannot argue with the dangers of speeding - and so I think we're crazy to justify speeding by our training.

Too many pull-overs and tickets to trust that my ID card might get me out of the next citation. Who knows? Next time I'm flying down the 4 lane highway at 11pm, no traffic, no wet roads, just wanting to get home like everyone else after a long day in the OR, who is to say that I'm not going to get zapped by some grumpy veteran or some rookie hot shot trying to make quota who has had a bad day? Mix that with a loaded 9mm on the hip and a pair of cuffs ready to go - you get the idea.

Then after kissing butt, trying to imply that we are so important in society that we don't have to obey the posted speed limit we find ourselves with yet another ticket on our record. Legal fees, points, raised insurance premiums on our luxury sedan (because we're all rich doctors, right?) and lost money because we're wasting real time in front of a judge instead of seeing patients or doing procedures makes me think that it is not worth the time we saved by speeding in the first place, or the gamble that our degree is going to be that "Get out of Jail Free" card.

I say we do our jobs, and let them do theirs. I don't expect any favors from them, and they can look forward to waiting in line like everyone else, paying the co-pay on the way out of the office, and forget any other small favor I might be in the position to provide someday.
 
Originally posted by Azalo
If I were a cop and a doctor acted like they are entitled to get away with breaking the law i would give them the most expensive ticket possible, if they were humble and didnt expect to be let off i would probably let them go.

I agree. I'm always polite and humble UNTIL they start writing the ticket. Then the gloves are off. Especially for weak/meritless tickets like the one I received. If I was going 95 in 60, there would be no argument.
 
My boyfriend is a cop. He said doctors and nurses usually get a free pass from him. He never knows when he'll be hurt and wind up in the hospital being taken care of by someone he had just pissed off!
 
Hi there,
I was on my way to a residency interview and saw the flashing lights in my rear view mirror just before I looked down to see that I would qualify for a reckless driving citation. I told the officer that I had been on duty all night and that I was late for a residency interview. He gave me a citation for simple speeding for which, I gladly paid and thanked him. I figured it was as good as my luck was going to get that day.

njbmd😀
 
Forget cops, what about <expletive> parking meter maids? These people are the bane of my existence. My meter expires for 30 seconds, and BAM! I get a ticket already. I keep the meter fed but park longer than the time limit, and BAM! There's another ticket. They must have not learned to leave health professionals alone at the parking meter maid academy. I hope for their sake that they don't end up placing their lives in my hands one day. 😡
 
Originally posted by EPO
Forget cops, what about <expletive> parking meter maids? These people are the bane of my existence. My meter expires for 30 seconds, and BAM! I get a ticket already. I keep the meter fed but park longer than the time limit, and BAM! There's another ticket. They must have not learned to leave health professionals alone at the parking meter maid academy. I hope for their sake that they don't end up placing their lives in my hands one day. 😡
...yeah, uh, how dare they not let you park at an expired meter. Since they can tell how long the meter has been expired, and if it's not, they camp at your car (they have the plate number on the bulletin board in the employee lounge) to make sure they're right on top of it when the meter ticks out.
 
The little get "out of jail free" card does still exist.If you give donation to the PBA or the police union or treat a greatful policeman you will get one and it can be very helpful.In a large city the police are much less sympathetic to MDs bacause there are so many of them they are tired of hearing excuses that are phony.In a smaller community they will take good care of you!
 
Originally posted by ny skindoc
The little get "out of jail free" card does still exist.If you give donation to the PBA or the police union or treat a greatful policeman you will get one and it can be very helpful.In a large city the police are much less sympathetic to MDs bacause there are so many of them they are tired of hearing excuses that are phony.In a smaller community they will take good care of you!

Especially if you get pulled over by the cop you performed a herniorraphy on!! 🙂
 
Originally posted by edinOH
I got out of two tix in med school because I was a doctor (to be). I was usually pulled over because I was going alittle too fast in a bad part of town after two a.m. I was on the road because I was leaving school after studying, not drinking.

Both times the cops would ask me where I was headed and of course I would tell them that I was in med school and had just left from studying. They got really cool after that. One asked me if I knew their friend who was also in school. (She was in my class it turned out). The other told me to study real hard in case I ever had to cut him open. I promised him I would.

I'm in EM so I see cops daily. I've already planned in my head how the conversation will go when I am inevitably pulled over for speeding.

Cop: Driver's License and registration please.
Me: Here you go sir.
Cop: Do you know how fast you were going?
Me: I guess I was going alittle over the limit. Say, weren't you in the ER last week?

(here the conversation can take one of two twists. No worries however...)

Cop: No. I don't think so.
Me: Huh. Well, I'm an Emergency Physician at City General. I'm sure I've seen you in there before. In fact, I think I remember your face from when you brought a perp in there for medical clearance. So how have you been doing? Not working too hard, I hope.

(or it may go like this)

Cop: Yeah, I was. How would you know?
Me: I'm an Emergency Physician at City General. I thought I recognized you. Not working too hard I hope.

(or, if by chance I've treated a cop lately, I might mention something like..)

Me: So, how's Officer Charlie doing. I'm the Emergency Physician who treated him for that broken arm/dog bite/(God forbid)GSW last week at City General. Boy, he had us all really worried. Let him know we are thinking about him.



The above should work for most any specialties. I always try to have a friendly word for the cops who come in with the hope that they will remember me on the right shoulder some night!

Too funny! I will have to try it. Not that I drive much (I walk to work).

Q, DO
 
Check this out! I got pulled over on my way home tonight for some heinous driving...Conversation went like this:

Cop: Liscense and registration..
Me: No problem...
Cop: Where are you headed?
Me: City General hospital. I work in the ER.
Cop: What happened back there?
Me: I'm sorry. I simply wasn't paying attention...
Cop: (walking away) You're fine. Have a great night.

He never even saw the Liscense. He just saw the Medicine sticker on my car and the books in my driver seat.

Who'da thunk it?
 
In college I got tagged speeding through a backwoods town in Tennessee. I think I was hit with 65 in a 45 or something borderline heavy like that. The ticket was for 150 bucks. I didn't try and talk my way out of it, I just figured it was a road tax. After all the thousands of miles I road tripped in college, I figured that 150 bones averaged out to a fraction of a penny per mile.

BUT, one of my buddies who is from a backwoods town in LoozieAnna, advised me to call the courthouse, and explain that since I was out of state, there might be a problem showing up for my court date. My response was, "Well, they're just gonna tell me to mail the fine in then." But he stuck to his advice.

So I mustered up a southern twang, and called the courthouse and asked to speak to the "administrator of traffic fines" or some crap like that, and the secretary said, "Oh, judge Bxxxx takes care of all the tickets, would you like to talk to him?"

I said, "sure". And sure enough this old geezer gets on the line and I give him my spiel about being a college student in another town, and the difficulty I'll have making the court date. The judge was really cool. He said, "Yeah, I have your ticket here somewhere... But, since you called and seem to care about the ticket, I'll give a free pass this time okay? I'll throw this one out."

Believe it or not. But it's a true story. God bless small towns. And God bless small town judges.
 
Do people actually hang their steths out the window at cops?
 
Originally posted by edinOH

(or, if by chance I've treated a cop lately, I might mention something like..)

Me: So, how's Officer Charlie doing. I'm the Emergency Physician who treated him for that broken arm/dog bite/(God forbid)GSW last week at City General. Boy, he had us all really worried. Let him know we are thinking about him.



The above should work for most any specialties. I always try to have a friendly word for the cops who come in with the hope that they will remember me on the right shoulder some night!


HIPAA
 
Originally posted by YoungFaithful
Do people actually hang their steths out the window at cops?

Isn't it illegal to hang things out of a moving vehicle?

Or is it the "keep your hands inside the schoolbus" rule that I'm thinking about?


Anyway...I've got an interesting story about how I got off a charge of 'disobeying a police officer'. He wanted me to move my car out of the street. Well, in downtown Philadelphia its not that easy to park...so I was sitting there with my flasher on to pull into a soon-to-be-vacant parking spot. The cop kept insisting I move, so finally I gave in. He blue lighted me, pulled me over and gave me a ticket.

I spoke to his Sgt the next day for over an hour.

The officer was reprimanded and retrained on how to properly issue a ticket (he was very rude in the process of issuing the citation)

My whole spiel about how I am a poor medical student hopefully ER doc someday story didnt hurt. The Sgt ket saying how much he appreciates what ER docs do and how they take care of him and his buddies.

Naturally I returned the compliments about how they keep the streets safe, etc.

Hour talking to a nice guy and it saved me $105.00


But I promised to write his 5 year old son a LOR to med school someday. I hope his kid ain't stupid...make me look bad.
 
This "perk" only works if it's a little hush-hush. Stupid medical associations are going to ruin it. Article in todays LA Times about the CMA:

Drive to Let Doctors Speed Hits a Yellow Light

(Registration may be required)

Edit: See cut-n-pasted article 2 posts down...
 
could you cut and paste the article I really dont want to have to register at an other sited for 1 article.

Thanks
 
Hope this isn't violating any copywrite rules (LA Times. 3/4/04):

Pulled over for speeding? Just tell them you're a doctor.

Citing a law established back in the days when physicians had to race past streetcars and Packards to make emergency house calls, the California Medical Assn. has told its members that they could speed legally as long as their cars displayed a sticker identifying them as doctors.

The group plans to print and sell big red stickers featuring the initials "M.D." and the identification number of a 1930s-era state law that allows doctors to speed to medical emergencies. The association, which represents about a third of doctors in the state, said it would sell the stickers to members for $10, and to nonmembers for $50.

But the head of the California Highway Patrol is not pleased.

D.O. "Spike" Helmick said he would personally ticket any doctor caught violating the state's driving laws ? red sticker or not. The association, he said, is misreading an old law that he believes should no longer be on the books.

"We're not supporting this," Helmick said. "It's just a law that the California Legislature put on the books 70 years ago."

In its Feb. 26 newsletter, the medical association said the new stickers would exempt physicians "from most speeding laws" unless they were driving recklessly.

In an interview, CMA chief executive Jack Lewin said he figured that CHP officers would also be sympathetic to doctors who drove in carpool lanes or on the shoulder on their way to a medical emergency.

"We're trying to get physicians through traffic congestion to be able to take care of patients," Lewin said. The CHP, he said, supported the effort.

Not so, Helmick said. The existing law, he said, does not allow doctors to exceed the state's maximum speed, which is 65 mph in some places and 70 mph in others. It only allows them to go faster than the posted speed when it is lower than that ? mostly on city streets and rural roads ? and then only in medical emergencies.

Try to drive in the carpool lane with that sticker, or speed down routes reserved for emergency vehicles, "and I'll be the first one to throw them in jail," Helmick said.

He said he would prefer that the law be changed to force doctors to obey the speed limit everywhere.

"No one should be above the law," Helmick said. "Even a doctor who needs to get someplace in a hurry."

The CHP chief said he wanted to talk to Lewin, and asked a reporter for his phone number. "He's going to be my next call!" Helmick said.

A few minutes later, Lewin, a bit chastened, phoned the reporter back.

The association is still planning to sell the stickers, he said. But Lewin stressed that they would not give doctors the right to speed on freeways ? or drive in the carpool lane.

"I was pretty much under the impression that we were going to be able to go faster on freeways, but we're not," Lewin said. "And they told me [speeding to] the golf course was definitely out."
 
That was really dumb of the CMA.
 
Ive been pulled over twice in the past month, both times en route to a rural rotation, both times in small town speeding traps, and got 2 warnings. I dont usually speed, and am not looking to take advantage of the prevailing law enforcement attitudes towards us, but at the same time Im not going to ask for a ticket, either!
 
this one time, i was going 97mph in a green 1972 MD midget, and got pulled over but the SOB gave me a ticket anyway . . . 😉

seriously though, the white coat and stethocope is golden for getting out of tickets. just don't be an @ss and be polite and you should get a warning. the only similar scenario i can think of is for soldiers in uniform getting warnings instead of tickets (as long as it's *innocent* stuff and not DWI or something). a good percentage of HP are ex-military or have family members who are.

it's all about who you know.
 
Originally posted by RedBlanket
they could speed legally as long as their cars displayed a sticker identifying them as doctors.

i.e. a big flashing "blue light special" homing beacon for thieves, muggers, and drug seeking psychotics. not to mention a "take me to the cleaners" label for mechanics and car repair shops.

i'll never identify myself as "Dr. Homunculus" (no, not because i'm failing out of medshool-- you have me confused with kungfu) outside of medical settings because people hear it automatically think they've hit the jackpot if they can screw you over. so i'll be incognito Mr. Homunculus if i'm trying to purchase or bargain with people. 🙂
 
Originally posted by Homunculus
i.e. a big flashing "blue light special" homing beacon for thieves, muggers, and drug seeking psychotics. not to mention a "take me to the cleaners" label for mechanics and car repair shops.

i'll never identify myself as "Dr. Homunculus" (no, not because i'm failing out of medshool-- you have me confused with kungfu) outside of medical settings because people hear it automatically think they've hit the jackpot if they can screw you over. so i'll be incognito Mr. Homunculus if i'm trying to purchase or bargain with people. 🙂

I feel the same way a out MD licence plates. I also heard it?s a bad idea to even put the title doctor on your drivers licence because if you get into a car accident people mysteriously acquire severe neck pain after they find out you are a doctor and then assume you are rich.
 
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