Doctors salaries are too high

[deleted862527]

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"they should stop spending public money on something I don't like understand and give it to me"

Lol, public money I do not like paying for.

Egypt would never spend $1.5 billion to help us out, but we have to do it for them?

Sorry, but not sorry- that money could be used for better things.

If you enjoy being in $200,000 debt let us all know.

 

[863168]

@Matrix207 The issue with that perspective is that it assumes that the money will either be dumped into an imaginary savings deposit or redirected into the areas we value. It's analogous in nature to austerity measures which have been historically demonstrated to be a stance of political leadership that has frequently gone over budget or simply redirected funding on welfare/social security to other areas of government spending such as military defense. An indication of the plasticity of federal funding could be seen in the numerous of iterations our government has repeatedly "raised" the debt ceiling. The notion of redirecting spending is good in principle if the budget was black and white when in truth it's a more abstract concept than anything our collective minds even want to start imagining.

 

[WingedOx]

@Matrix207 The issue with that perspective is that it assumes that the money will either be dumped into an imaginary savings deposit or redirected into the areas we value. It's analogous in nature to austerity measures which have been historically demonstrated to be a stance of political leadership that has frequently gone over budget or simply redirected funding on welfare/social security to other areas of government spending such as military defense. An indication of the plasticity of federal funding could be seen in the numerous of iterations our government has repeatedly "raised" the debt ceiling. The notion of redirecting spending is good in principle if the budget was black and white when in truth it's a more abstract concept than anything our collective minds even want to start imagining.

I have a feeling discussing nuance with that poster isn't going to go well.

 

[863168]

One of the things that hasn't been discussed in this thread is the necessity for antitrust legislation in the current climate of healthcare. I am curious whether the implementation of such legal restrictions presumes that an organized collective of physicians could bring about a worst outcome than the systematization of healthcare by administrators and cost regulation by HMOs. Both these elements seem to abdicate greater management roles that physicians ought to be entitled to and also marginalize physicians in a sense by disenfranchising their ability for collective bargaining in localized settings. Perhaps it's the little voice of Marx that makes me believe that value can only be attributed when such value can be subtracted from the equation. Although a counter argument arises that patients could be jeopardized by enabling such protocols, I am curious whether implementation of the ACA and attempts for a nationalized chargemaster by the Obama administration arose due to a holistic failure by the current healthcare paradigm to account for the current needs of patients.

 

[CyrusHabs7695]

Yeah, seriously.

My left wing politics are well known on here, but this was an article by someone who doesn't understand the subject he's writing about at all. It read like a paper by a high schooler or college freshman.


And he deserves every penny of it. Same with Matthew Stafford.

Oh god stop with Stafford. Stafford should not be making more than Rodgers. #GoBills

 

[deleted862527]

I have a feeling discussing nuance with that poster isn't going to go well.

And it goes well with you? Mkay...

 

[Anti-PD1]

Baker is high.

Physician salaries account for 8.6% of total healthcare costs.

Physician Compensation 8% of Costs | Healthcare Solutions News

 

[Princeton Medical Student]

We need to consider the fact that salaries are a good reason that someone bright enough to become a physician chooses to do it. Likely anyone who has the capacity to become a physician could have just easily became a software developer, an engineer, or something similar, which all take quite a lot less time, and don't require a stupidly inflated GPA to get into professional school for. Why would someone who doesn't care for research choose to spend another 7 years going into debt, when they could spend 2 more years and get a masters in engineer/computer science or literally anything else, and make good money that way. Of course the answer everyone would want is "they want to do good for humanity", but I would be willing to bet good money that the number of applicants for medical school would be cut down in half if physician salaries were capped at say 110k. For me personally, becoming a physician makes little sense financially as is, and reducing the salaries further would honestly turn me away from the profession.

 

[IlDestriero]

"In recent years, the number of medical residents has become so restricted that even the American Medical Association is pushing to have the number of slots increased. The major obstacle at this point is funding."

Not trying to stir a political argument, but I feel as though that the U.S. government should transfer the money for foreign aid over to establishing more medical residencies and medical schools here in the U.S. For example, I remember reading how the U.S. supplied something around $1.5 billion/year to Egypt so they can have a stronger military base. PLEASE. That $1.5 billion could do a lot to help out our medical community.

That $1.5 billion would also be enough to eliminate at least 100% of the debt for 50% of our med students in U.S. If add an extra $1.5 billion, almost everyone would be mostly debt free.

But Riyadh needs a good missile defense. Haven’t you been watching the news? They are our great friend in the Middle East...


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[WingedOx]

Oh god stop with Stafford. Stafford should not be making more than Rodgers. #GoBills

Contract cycles, bro. Contract cycles.

Rodgers's current deal runs thru 2020, so he'll easily outearn Stafford when contract renewal comes up, probably at the end of the 2018 season. Hell, Cousins may well out-earn Stafford by next year.

 

[Goro]

Just as an aside, the ~$3 billion we give to Egypt is essentially a bribe to keep them adhering to the peace treaty with Israel, and friendly to us. That in itself pays dividends.

I'd rather see the money we flush down the toilet on Pakistan diverted to somewhere else.

But to alleviate the medical school debt for children of privilege? Not going to be very popular.

You do make a good point. Then maybe have that money provide debt relief to medical students? I don't see why not. That would be pretty awesome. I personally find the $1.5 billion to Egypt a waste of money. That money could do so much good for our medical community.

Lol, public money I do not like paying for.

Egypt would never spend $1.5 billion to help us out, but we have to do it for them?

Sorry, but not sorry- that money could be used for better things.

If you enjoy being in $200,000 debt let us all know.

 

[ShyGuy0082]

Just as an aside, the ~$3 billion we give to Egypt is essentially a bribe to keep them adhering to the peace treaty with Israel, and friendly to us. That in itself pays dividends.

I'd rather see the money we flush down the toilet on Pakistan diverted to somewhere else.

But to alleviate the medical school debt for children of privilege? Not going to be very popular.

I agree with Goro. It's the cost of politics on world's arena. We give aid to other countries for cooperation and stability.

 

[deleted862527]

the ~$3 billion we give to Egypt is essentially a bribe to keep them adhering to the peace treaty with Israel, and friendly to us. That in itself pays dividends.

I wish we didn't have to pay them. Politics at its finest, lol.

I'd rather see the money we flush down the toilet on Pakistan diverted to somewhere else

Agreed.

 

[IlDestriero]

I was thinking of Saudi Arabia vs Egypt. It appears we give them very little, which was interesting to me. Though I’m sure we sell them whatever military gear they want, you know, for defense.


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[Goro]

I was thinking of Saudi Arabia vs Egypt. It appears we give them very little, which was interesting to me. Though I’m sure we sell them whatever military gear they want, you know, for defense.

Il Destriero

Indeed, we sell the Saudi tons of stuff. The Saudis are really, really worried about the Iranians. So much so that they're practically allied with the Israelis.

 

[deleted862527]

Indeed, we sell the Saudi tons of stuff. The Saudis are really, really worried about the Iranians. So much so that they're practically allied with the Israelis.

Just curious, are you a Physician? Hope you don't find me a stalker asking you this, lol. It says you have a PhD on your SDN page, but not M.D. That surprises me you're not at least a doc considering you know a wealth of knowledge about it.

 

[Goro]

Just curious, are you a Physician? Hope you don't find me a stalker asking you this, lol. It says you have a PhD on your SDN page, but not M.D. That surprises me you're not at least a doc considering you know a wealth of knowledge about it.

PhD...Phony Doctor.
I have learned tons from my clinical colleagues and students, both at my school, and here on SDN.

 

[Nikj]

The author of the article has some sort of bias against physicians, he's written numerous negative articles on U.S physicians in the past.

Globalization hurt factory workers. Why not doctors?

The Pro-NAFTA Protectionists Can't Even Imagine Making Our Doctors and Dentists Compete Internationally

Hey, Can We All Agree on Ending Protectionism for Doctors and Dentists?

 

[deleted862527]

The author of the article has some sort of bias against physicians, he's written numerous negative articles on U.S physicians in the past.

Globalization hurt factory workers. Why not doctors?

The Pro-NAFTA Protectionists Can't Even Imagine Making Our Doctors and Dentists Compete Internationally

Hey, Can We All Agree on Ending Protectionism for Doctors and Dentists?

Guy must have been rejected from med school or something

 

[Kurk]

The average large jet pilot makes 108k per year. They are responsible for the lives of literally hundreds of people at a time, and have a job in which small errors can have catastrophic consequences. Their level of responsibility is certainly akin to medicine.

Yet pilots are mandated to retire at 65, must pass routine physical check-ups every 6-12 months, cannot work more than 60 hours a week, no more than 8-12 a day.

But hey, residents can pull triple-all-nighters and work 100 hour weeks because....eh....uhhhh...

 

[Mad Jack]

Yet pilots are mandated to retire at 65, must pass routine physical check-ups every 6-12 months, cannot work more than 60 hours a week, no more than 8-12 a day.

But hey, residents can pull triple-all-nighters and work 100 hour weeks because....eh....uhhhh...

If you'd gone to medical school you'd understand why these things are two different animals. A pilot gets a DVT or had a stroke in the air and you're gonna have a bad time, a doctor does the same and you call another doctor.

 

[Goro]

Yet pilots are mandated to retire at 65, must pass routine physical check-ups every 6-12 months, cannot work more than 60 hours a week, no more than 8-12 a day.

But hey, residents can pull triple-all-nighters and work 100 hour weeks because....eh....uhhhh...

Because it's safer for patients, from what our attending and resident colleagues tell us.

 

[Kurk]

If you'd gone to medical school you'd understand why these things are two different animals. A pilot gets a DVT or had a stroke in the air and you're gonna have a bad time, a doctor does the same and you call another doctor.

So it's acceptable to over-work and jeopardize the health of the doctor just because they can then?

 

[Mad Jack]

So it's acceptable to over-work and jeopardize the health of the doctor just because they can then?

It's not as bad as you think.

 

[Med Ed]

Yet pilots are mandated to retire at 65, must pass routine physical check-ups every 6-12 months, cannot work more than 60 hours a week, no more than 8-12 a day.

But hey, residents can pull triple-all-nighters and work 100 hour weeks because....eh....uhhhh...

A little dramatic, but the educational basis of long shifts is to allow residents to observe illness unfolding and evolving in a way that’s not possible with intermittent shifts.

The practical reason is that while overworked residents can be a hazard, so can patients getting handed off from team to team to team because of work hour restrictions. A disproportionate number of preventable errors occur due to miscommunication.

 

[Soccer171983]

saw the title of this forum and bout lost it. Ummmmm the amount of training we go through, debt we accumulate and objective out come of our careers I think would beg to differ. I feel Doctors salaries are actually too low especially primary care fields.

 

[Danny L]

Disagree, doctor salaries are not high enough

 

[sliceofbread136]

Why do they refer to doctors as a cartel like we have any control at all? The government determines how much residency spots get funded and the pay differences between the various specialties.