Does anyone else a discouraging advisor or is that their job?

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I've taken over 70 hours and have a 4.0 GPA. I don't know why my advisor insists on giving me the run around...("How do you KNOOOOW you wanna be a doctor *drools* ......")

lol
 
Many advisors have reasons to be upset with pre-meds, some of them are just not good with their jobs.

Take what they suggest with a grain of salt (including what you read on these forums). Your grades are good, make sure you get clinical exposure and continue doing service ALL throughout college.
 
I think that they think they're just trying to help you. It's not a light decision. They want to make sure you're informed and that you've considered alternative career choices that could also meet your interests.
 
I've taken over 70 hours and have a 4.0 GPA. I don't know why my advisor insists on giving me the run around...("How do you KNOOOOW you wanna be a doctor *drools* ......")

lol

I would make the assumption your advisor is trying to keep your best interest in mind. Most pre-meds they speak to are 18, 19, 20? Your advisor has at least 10 years on the pre-med, probably more. They've been living in the real world, while the average pre-med has yet to step foot. I'm on my second career, made a mistake on the first and never would have guessed it based on "interests" alone. It takes a lot more than a passive interest to know if something can be your career
 
I would make the assumption your advisor is trying to keep your best interest in mind. Most pre-meds they speak to are 18, 19, 20? Your advisor has at least 10 years on the pre-med, probably more. They've been living in the real world, while the average pre-med has yet to step foot. I'm on my second career, made a mistake on the first and never would have guessed it based on "interests" alone. It takes a lot more than a passive interest to know if something can be your career


lol

advisor's are living in the real world! That is too funny.

A job as an advisor is far from the real world. Try sales, try construction, try business. Think of jobs where they fire people every week for not performing, welcome to the real world. A job in a school office talking mostly to pre-meds that won't make it into medical school isn't the real world. They don't have quotas, they don't have results, they have little responsibility and no way to judge efficacy.

Think about the fact that most of the people they advise don't make it. That shouldn't be encouraging.

My premed advisors are both awful. Bad advice and subpar. Maybe there are good ones but geez.

understand that advisors get paid very little, have no training before their job (or maybe training for a few weeks), and have no actual tables of results. Compare this with a doctor, 8-12 years of training, constant checking of results to make sure you are on par, constant testing of knowledge.
 
I would make the assumption your advisor is trying to keep your best interest in mind. Most pre-meds they speak to are 18, 19, 20? Your advisor has at least 10 years on the pre-med, probably more. They've been living in the real world, while the average pre-med has yet to step foot. I'm on my second career, made a mistake on the first and never would have guessed it based on "interests" alone. It takes a lot more than a passive interest to know if something can be your career


So true, so true.
The OP appears to have great stats, but everyone should be asked whether s/he really understands the ramifications of going into medicine. Even in "the glory days" it was not a light decision to pursue medicine. With the changes going on, it's an even bigger sacrifice to make with a ton of risk and little reward outside of getting to help others. If you're not willing to sacrifice yourself for the cause -- and I mean willing to die completely to yourself for it -- it's not worth it. Pre-med advisors, IME, can be great or just plain grouchy but I do think it is worth considering their cautions about entering this profession.
 
my adviser was horrible and had no idea what he was doing...he gives terrible advice to everyone (overestimating the chances of sum and underestimating the chances of others). If I had listened to him I would not have applied this cycle or have an acceptance at my top choice...

However, I must say that in general all of our advisers were pretty discouraging because they try to keep a high yield and like to brag about what schools certain individuals matriculate at...so if they don't think you'll get into one of those "top tier" schools they pretty much try to make you wait a year or do a post bac
 
I would make the assumption your advisor is trying to keep your best interest in mind. Most pre-meds they speak to are 18, 19, 20? Your advisor has at least 10 years on the pre-med, probably more. They've been living in the real world, while the average pre-med has yet to step foot.

You're innocence is so adorable. 😍



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OP, you probably shouldn't be discouraged by someone asking you why you want to be a doctor. It's a quite sensible question to ask, considering the arduousness of the path you'll take to get there. You're adviser just wants you to think about what might be one of the most important questions you should ask yourself before taking this route. If you have trouble finding an answer to it, I'd spend some time trying to find one.

Your adviser is trying to weed out an enormous and miserable portion of the initial premed population that doesn't make it through: kids whose motivations to be doctors lie outside themselves. These are kids whose parents are both doctors; or who want to be able to say "I'm a doctor" for the status, without actually considering what it entails; or who have watched too much Grey's, and imagine a world in which doctors are all as physically attractive as movie stars and as sexually active as the emperor's favorite concubine.

That said, I definitely agree that advisers / counselors can be awful people. I took a double-digit number of AP tests in high school and did well, got a near perfect score on my SATs, was 3rd out of my class of 750 in high school, and began taking college courses while I was still a high schooler. My college adviser told me that my state school was without doubt the best I could do, so I needn't bother appling elsewhere - unless I wanted to go to community college for a year or two, acclimate myself, and then apply to transfer to my state school. She also told my brother this, who was also academically impressive, on top of being an All-American athlete.

I'm at an ivy now, and am doing great here. I'm the only one from my class who went ivy my year, and there were many other intelligent and talented students. I'm convinced that the nay-saying of our advisers contributed to this.
 
Ok cool. Ya I was wondering what you thought and if you had the same experience.
 
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Peer advisers are way worse. Most of them haven't even applied to med school or are applying the same time as me. They give me advice like you really should take a year off and how traditional students is no longer the norm.

One of my peer adviser was giving his opinion about a course that i was taking and sounded like he had already taken the class. i later found him sitting two rows in front of me...

SDN is by far the best place to look for advice 🙂
 
i love how little kids who think they are so-smart-with-their-4.0s just put down their advisors on sdn...
 
to the OP, theres probably truth to both sides...

I went to an undergrad with one premed advisor for the entire campus (40,000 ppl on campus!). She was notorious for yelling and screaming ppl down and breaking them down to the point where they cried when they left.

that's one extreme. However, to the OP, let me ask you 2 questions that work as a pretty good litmus test for if you have made an informed decision about medicine:

1) what is the difference between medicare and medicaid?
2) what is an EMR?

you will not believe the number of ppl who do not know this.
 
The pre-med advisor at my university has a widespread reputation of being less-than-helpful. I had stopped visiting with him after about the 3rd time when I realized that he wasn't going to answer any of my questions or give me any kind of guidance. I couldn't tell if it was that he didn't know or if it was that he really didn't care if I had made it or not. From what I understand he's been around for a long while....so I'm not sure what it is.
 
They're helpful in some aspects and not in others. Like our advisor told my friends and I, "Do NOT take Bio II before you take Chem I it will ruin your chances for medical school!" We all still got A's and B's. And according to one "peer advisor" in my classes she's always putting people down and saying "oh you're never going to make it, a B- oh the horror!" I have an appointment with mine Thursday and I fully expect her to tell me I'm screwed (I have a 3.2 GPA that I'm working on bringing up, I have 5 semesters left but this is totally impossible in her eyes 🙄) but I'm just going to try and get my questions out and get them answered then book it.

Oh and has anyone else noticed that when you TRY to ask questions they steam roll you? Ignoring your opinion on EVERYTHING?
 
I've heard stories about the pre-med advisor at our U saying things like "you're just not smart enough to make it, your too lazy, you party too much and you probably should just go be a janitor"

or something along those lines. Maybe it was exaggerated, but the tears on the advisees eyes definitely made me believe the ridiculous things that were said....

I've also heard of stories where advisors told students "of course you have to take advanced statistical and computer science classes. no one will admit you without advanced science and math courses like this"

ugh.
 
I've heard stories of people leaving her office in tears too. Some people, yea they probably aren't going to make it but I believe peoples job as an advisor is to try and help them make it.
 
honestly, no matter what, everyone will have weaknesses in their application/personality that does not lend them to perfection.

however, my advisor did not make me feel comfortable bringing any of them up so that I could try to fix them

He2: "so do you think X is a problem"

Crazybat****insaneadvisor: "OMG YOU ARE SO STUPID"

😕
 
IA but they're supposed to help, and if someone obviously is not going to make it they're going to figure it out themselves real quick when application season comes along.
 
If you can't explain why you want to be a doctor to your advisor, how are you gonna do it to an admissions committee?
 
I'm sorry to hear that you all have poor advisors; I guess I got lucky.
 
You're innocence is so adorable. 😍



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Yeah, I admit Pre-med advisors are still sheltered in academica, as are most professors (they admit this too)...but they certainly have more life experience than 90% of pre-meds who enter their office and this should be respected. Advisors are good and bad, but I am sick of the SDN assumption that they're "just bitter because they couldn't get into med school themselves".

But whatever people want to tell themselves to feel better, I guess I can't help. If you don't like what your advisor tells you, then why bother going to be "advised"? Just do whatever you planned on doing anyway before asking for "advice" and save everybody the grief
 
Ha, you realize "why do you want to be a doctor?" is the very first question you'll be asked in an interview, right?
 
i agree with OP; most "advisors" are science professors at best and have legitimately NO experience when it comes to providing personalized advise.

i agree that SDN is probably the best advice ive received regarding applying to medical schools. but you can't really blame them. they have their own lives, their own careers, and im sure they see tons of "pre-meds" come and go, many of whom switch their interests more frequently than their boxers. if you can't impress upon your advisor how important this is for you, you need to start the self-evaluation ASAP.

but ultimately, im part of the "premed advisors blow" camp. that includes know-it-all peer advisors who do it to fluff up their CVs...
 
i agree with OP; most "advisors" are science professors at best and have legitimately NO experience when it comes to providing personalized advise.

this was the case at my school. Not only was he just a science professor, but he had just transferred to my school as the head of our pre-med office (first yr on the job) so didn't really have experience. This is not to say that he completely didn't know what he was talking about but yeah...

you all with good advisers are lucky...take advantage of them!

but like everyone else said....that question is something that you should be able to answer easily and will encounter along the interview trail and in countless secondaries.
 
My adviser is amazing - she took me seriously, gave great advice on activities and scheduling the MCAT, looked through my list of schools, helped proofread my personal statement, answered questions about secondaries, wrote me an LoR, and arranged a mock interview for me. I still keep in contact.

After reading this thread I feel so ridiculously lucky. 🙂
 
My adviser is amazing - she took me seriously, gave great advice on activities and scheduling the MCAT, looked through my list of schools, helped proofread my personal statement, answered questions about secondaries, wrote me an LoR, and arranged a mock interview for me. I still keep in contact.

After reading this thread I feel so ridiculously lucky. 🙂

I was in the same boat. My advisor had been doing it for like 30 years as well, so he knew the ins and outs. He kept up with trends on the MCAT and on admissions and both of the deans of admission at my state schools know him by name. He was both encouraging but totally honest as well. I had a good experience with mine. I hate to see that many others did not.
 
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Apparently the pre-med advisor at my school was not very nice. He would tell people they shouldn't bother applying. I never met him.

But yeah, advisors often encounter some rather annoying premeds so it can make sense why they can get easily annoyed.

Why do you want to be a doctor? That is not really a hard question is it?
That should be the easiest and most common question you will encounter.

Also, let's face it, you will encounter discouraging people no matter what numbers you have.
 
I never once saw the pre-med/dent/vet adviser at my first college because if a student didn't have all A's when they met with her, she'd tell them repeatedly to give up their dream of becoming a doctor/dentist/vet and do something like nursing since no place would ever accept them even with B's. Tons of kids were changing their majors because of her. Needless to say, a friend of mine who was belittled by her recommendations to give up on med school, ended up getting into a great med school last year when she kept telling him to reconsider and throw in the towel.


If you know for sure that you want to go to med school, don't listen to what your adviser has to say about it.
 
If you know for sure that you want to go to med school, don't listen to what your adviser has to say about it.

Wow I didn't realize so many people were in the same boat as me.

I talked to several of my friends who are freshmen and they said he was really discouraging. I'm glad he treated me a little better.

Regardless, I'm going to apply to medical school with or without his help.
 
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