Does GPA include College Courses taken in HS?

[MDL57]

Does anyone know how course taken in High School for college credit are handled? Are they included in the overal GPA calcuations?

The situation (my D's) is:

In Connecticut, UConn has a program called Early College Experience. This program basically gives college credit for AP courses taken in HS. So if a HS instructor is certified and the course has an acceptable syllabus the students then take a UConn written final that is used by UConn in determining the 2nd semester grade, this whether or not the HS uses that exam in their grade calcuations. UConn gives credit based on that Final and the HS assigned grades no matter what the AP exam score is.

Note: you only get these credits if you pay their per-credit fee too. That part was the surprise to me, the parent back then. Now years later we find that these grades, unfortunately slightly lower than her college grades, are back. If we had not bothered to pay this fee these HS grades, given by a HS teacher for HS AP work, woudl never appear on her med school application. Whew, her college, like many/most, doesn't give credit for these anyway. What a pain.

So, reading the AMCAS instructions it seems that

1. A transcript needs to be submitted from UConn.
2. These two courses (Bio and Calc) should not appear on the main college list of AP credits as college credit was granted by UConn, even though the main college doesn't count the UConn credits only the AP credit based on the AP exam 5's.

Has anyone seen this situation or know how HS grades count in the GPA calculations? Like to think Med Schools will just look at grades after HS.

Thanks.

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[Hoody]

Yes. College courses taken while in high school will be included in AMCAS GPA calculations.

Transcripts from all colleges (community, university, etc) where any college level class was taken will need to be sent to AMCAS.


EDIT: My suggestion would be to request an official transcript from UConn. If you see that the classes appear on the transcript (in any form), then those transcripts need to be sent to AMCAS. If you get the official transcript and the classes do not appear, then you don't need to worry about it.

 

[MDL57]

Thanks. They do show on a UConn transcript. Have been searching back in the forum and others have mentioned the same thing about various dual-enrollment courses.

Oh well, GPA shows an upward trend and presumably her 36R MCAT will help a bit...

 

[JonathanMD]

Yeah, if it's on the transcripts that you send to AMCAS (or wherever) it's fair game.

 

[SirGecko]

EDIT: My suggestion would be to request an official transcript from UConn. If you see that the classes appear on the transcript (in any form), then those transcripts need to be sent to AMCAS. If you get the official transcript and the classes do not appear, then you don't need to worry about it.

Edit: Ok I read the original post a little better and that advice actually does make some sense. (if if wasn't on the transcript then you didn't receive credit thus making it a high school class again) Since we have established that they are present on that UCON transcript though you have to send them in no matter what. This issue (well maybe not this exact issue) has been discusses quite a bit on this forum and there is pretty much never any way to not report. (now this situation does sound weird but I would still default to you have to submit the transcript)

I must say that program sounds weird. It is a high school class taught at a high school but it does on a transcript at UCON? Very odd. I doubt it will have any effect on your daughter's admission. (even if her GPA does drop a bit)

 

[NickNaylor]

Yes. College courses taken while in high school will be included in AMCAS GPA calculations.

Transcripts from all colleges (community, university, etc) where any college level class was taken will need to be sent to AMCAS.


EDIT: My suggestion would be to request an official transcript from UConn. If you see that the classes appear on the transcript (in any form), then those transcripts need to be sent to AMCAS. If you get the official transcript and the classes do not appear, then you don't need to worry about it.

Absolutely do not follow that advice. You must send a transcript in for any institution you've attended, even if it doesn't show up on the transcript for your primary institution. AMCAS is pretty clear about that. My guess is that you would probably fine if you didn't include some obscure transcript with only one or two classes on it, but why take the risk?

 

[Snuke]

Does this include all AP classes, if they were accepted for college credit? They were taken at a high school.

I took many APs - 12 classes, 11 tests (chem was 1 test, two classes) - and some transferred to my University, some did not.

 

[SirGecko]

Does this include all AP classes, if they were accepted for college credit? They were taken at a high school.

I took many APs - 12 classes, 11 tests (chem was 1 test, two classes) - and some transferred to my University, some did not.

The AP scores probably show up on your transcript but that really isn't the same thing as what the OP is talking about. From what I understand the course was counted by UCON *as a college course* not simply AP credit. (so the grade given in the course factors in) AP credit is usually not assigned a grade and so doesn't go into the GPA. (I wouldn't worry about the AP test's, no one cares unless you got credit for them and even then they don't care)

 

[mspeedwagon]

No, you do not need to send AP scores to AMCAS even if they were accepted for college credit.

Does this include all AP classes, if they were accepted for college credit? They were taken at a high school.

I took many APs - 12 classes, 11 tests (chem was 1 test, two classes) - and some transferred to my University, some did not.

 

[SirGecko]

I'm in a similar bind. I took an after-school HS program with all HS students, led by a HS calc teacher in a HS building. Moreover, it wasn't as rigorous as an AP calc course. However, I received college credit from the local college across the street (and I think our building was on the local college's property). I received a poor grade my 2nd semester. I never entered these grades to my undergrad. Should I submit to AMCAS? What's the worst that would happen if I do not?

Yes you should. The worst that could happen is that a school finds out you lied and you never get into a medical school. Or you get in and they find out you lied and expel you. Or you graduate and they find out you lied and take your licence. These might be a little extreme (I don't think the consequences would be nearly that bad) for something that could be written off as you just forgetting about the class but it is certainly ammunition against you.

Bottom line though it really is not worth any risk. No one will care that you did poorly on one college class while in high school. You were in high school! Just report it, put a note in the comments section (or wherever) saying you were in high school and move on. It probably will have almost no effect on your admissions chances.

 

[Hoody]

You must send a transcript in for any institution you've attended, even if it doesn't show up on the transcript for your primary institution.

We established this. Any transcript that contains credit and/or a grade for any college course must be submitted according to AMCAS rules.

However, if the class was taken through a UConn program but the student was only given credit and/or grades through the HS, then there would be NO point in sending in a blank transcript from UConn Im not even sure the student would be able to obtain a transcript in this case (one wouldn't exist because there is nothing to list).

Since OP clarified that there are indeed credits/classes on an official transcript, OP understands that it must be sent in. 👍

 

[footNankle]

I know this is in the wrong section, but does anyone know if this applies to AACOMAS apps also?

 

[Kangaroo Paw]

I have sort of a similar situation to this. I took Calc 3 and Linear Algebra through a local university (but the classes were at my high school). I received college credit and a transcript for both, and the transcript simply lists the two classes as courses taken in college, with nothing about high school in there. I am not a good student of Math (the math offered at my college is probably way too hard for me, since I wouldn't qualify for Calc I and II), so my question is: do these college credits count for fulfilling the Math requirement at med schools when applying? This has been bothering me for a while, since it means the difference between taking math at college or not.
Thank you!

 

[SirGecko]

I have sort of a similar situation to this. I took Calc 3 and Linear Algebra through a local university (but the classes were at my high school). I received college credit and a transcript for both, and the transcript simply lists the two classes as courses taken in college, with nothing about high school in there. I am not a good student of Math (the math offered at my college is probably way too hard for me, since I wouldn't qualify for Calc I and II), so my question is: do these college credits count for fulfilling the Math requirement at med schools when applying? This has been bothering me for a while, since it means the difference between taking math at college or not.
Thank you!

You have a transcript from a university giving you credit for the classes right? As long as the grades are high enough to count (I am assuming they are since you probably would have said otherwise) they count.

 

[Kangaroo Paw]

Yup, it's from a university.
Both grades are A-, which should be high enough to count, so yup!
Will it look bad that I have my two math courses from a university that is a lot less difficult than the one I'm currently attending?

 

[Hoody]

Yup, it's from a university.
Both grades are A-, which should be high enough to count, so yup!
Will it look bad that I have my two math courses from a university that is a lot less difficult than the one I'm currently attending?

its not the physical grade assignment that matters. its the level of the course. its either a college level course that comes with a college transcript or its not.

and no, two A-'s from a "weaker" university will not matter. what matters is your GPA and its trend....which you want to be upward (or a steady 4.0 )

 

[SoulinNeed]

its not the physical grade assignment that matters. its the level of the course. its either a college level course that comes with a college transcript or its not.

and no, two A-'s from a "weaker" university will not matter. what matters is your GPA and its trend....which you want to be upward (or a steady 4.0 )

Depends on how big of an impact they would have on his BCPM GPA.

 

[Kangaroo Paw]

As of right now, they'd actually decrease my BCPM GPA by a decent amount... but honestly, I would not have done any better if I had taken them in college, so I guess I should be satisfied. Math and I are like oil and water. Or maybe Thin Layer Chromatography? (I don't like Thin Layer Chromatography) 😕

 

[mspeedwagon]

Yes, it applies to AACOMAS as well. From a transcript perspective, their stance is the same as AMCAS.

I know this is in the wrong section, but does anyone know if this applies to AACOMAS apps also?

 

[Sammich117]

Yeah, if you have a grade on a transcript, it counts

 

[organdonor]

Does anyone know how course taken in High School for college credit are handled? Are they included in the overal GPA calcuations?

The situation (my D's) is:

In Connecticut, UConn has a program called Early College Experience. This program basically gives college credit for AP courses taken in HS. So if a HS instructor is certified and the course has an acceptable syllabus the students then take a UConn written final that is used by UConn in determining the 2nd semester grade, this whether or not the HS uses that exam in their grade calcuations. UConn gives credit based on that Final and the HS assigned grades no matter what the AP exam score is.

Note: you only get these credits if you pay their per-credit fee too. That part was the surprise to me, the parent back then. Now years later we find that these grades, unfortunately slightly lower than her college grades, are back. If we had not bothered to pay this fee these HS grades, given by a HS teacher for HS AP work, woudl never appear on her med school application. Whew, her college, like many/most, doesn't give credit for these anyway. What a pain.

So, reading the AMCAS instructions it seems that

1. A transcript needs to be submitted from UConn.
2. These two courses (Bio and Calc) should not appear on the main college list of AP credits as college credit was granted by UConn, even though the main college doesn't count the UConn credits only the AP credit based on the AP exam 5's.

Has anyone seen this situation or know how HS grades count in the GPA calculations? Like to think Med Schools will just look at grades after HS.

Thanks.

I'm in a similar bind. I took an after-school HS program with all HS students, led by a HS calc teacher in a HS building. Moreover, it wasn't as rigorous as an AP calc course. However, I received college credit from the local college across the street (and I think our building was on the local college's property). I received a poor grade my 2nd semester. I never entered these grades to my undergrad. Should I submit to AMCAS? What's the worst that would happen if I do not?

I have sort of a similar situation to this. I took Calc 3 and Linear Algebra through a local university (but the classes were at my high school). I received college credit and a transcript for both, and the transcript simply lists the two classes as courses taken in college, with nothing about high school in there. I am not a good student of Math (the math offered at my college is probably way too hard for me, since I wouldn't qualify for Calc I and II), so my question is: do these college credits count for fulfilling the Math requirement at med schools when applying? This has been bothering me for a while, since it means the difference between taking math at college or not.
Thank you!

my hs calc class counted as a hs class and a college class. i should include it even if it brings down my sci gpa from a 3.4 to a 3.3? it's such a steep fall.

ok ok. i'm including it. i don't think they'd expel me or take away my license for a hs college class lol. i don't even know how in the world AMCAS would know i took the class.

All college level courses you ever took anywhere must be reported to AMCAS via an official transcript from the college/university which granted the credits. Anything less is academic dishonesty which can get you expelled even (potentially years) after you are accepted.

And they'll find out too

http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/

http://www.infocheckusa.com/degree-verification.htm?gclid=CNeb__ipnqICFQqwsgodC1mjuw

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