Does it get better?

[Wordead]

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This pre-med English major can make a cogent argument. I guess your critical thinking skills has gotten a bit rusty since English 101.

Your arguments are logical and there is even some validity to what you say - but, again, go ahead and imagine a middle schooler telling you how to study and you get the idea. Especially since you've already said that you have little life experience even relative to college students, and all your knowledge comes from books. Few people will agree that books are an acceptable substitute. And if 99% of people who are older and more experienced than you tell you that you're wrong, perhaps you should take a second and realize that you're not the enlightened 1% - you just don't know what you don't know.

 

[punkedoutriffs]

Your arguments are logical and there is even some validity to what you say - but, again, go ahead and imagine a middle schooler telling you how to study and you get the idea. Especially since you've already said that you have little life experience even relative to college students, and all your knowledge comes from books. Few people will agree that books are an acceptable substitute. And if 99% of people who are older and more experienced than you tell you that you're wrong, perhaps you should take a second and realize that you're not the enlightened 1% - you just don't know what you don't know.

Wasn't it the Dalai-Lama who said something along the lines of, "Even if a seven-year old admonishes me with truth, I will listen to him?" You sure it's not collective ego getting in your way?

 

[yehhhboiii]

🙄

 

[KnuxNole]

Wasn't it the Dalai-Lama who said something along the lines of, "Even if a seven-year old admonishes me with truth, I will listen to him?" You sure it's not collective ego getting in your way?

Most people would give him a cookie, pinch his cheeks and talk about how adorable he is before turning to someone else.

 

[punkedoutriffs]

Most people would give him a cookie, pinch his cheeks and talk about how adorable he is before turning to someone else.

Yeah, that's why most people are John and Jane Doe, and he's the Dalai-Lama.

 

[Wordead]

Wasn't it the Dalai-Lama who said something along the lines of, "Even if a seven-year old admonishes me with truth, I will listen to him?" You sure it's not collective ego getting in your way?

Sure, emphasis on bold. If every single medical student admonishes you with truth, will you listen or just keep slamming your head against the wall insisting that you're right?

 

[Anigma07]

OP was looking for encouragement from other med students with experience in the matter. Don't take it personally that most people on this forum don't think you, as a pre-med, have much to contribute-- you don't, because whatever your life experiences and however valid your points are, you just don't know what the OP is going through and aren't in a position to give him encouragement. You haven't been there. As a current MS1, neither have I. It would be inappropriate for me to tell him that it gets better, because I've never been an MS4.

You've dominated this thread with your advice and retorts to those who tell you that you don't have a place here to the point that it's difficult to find any actual responses from people the OP was originally targeting. This thread is not about you. Stop attacking everyone for pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about.

Give up on him, he's an english major.

 

[punkedoutriffs]

Sure, emphasis on bold. If every single medical student admonishes you with truth, will you listen or just keep slamming your head against the wall insisting that you're right?

Okay, you seem to be someone that can speak reasonably. Of course you're all correct. As I've already acknowledged to you, you all know the specific stressors and woes of the OP better than me.

All I'm asking is for the OP and anyone who cares to, to try and think outside the box for a minute. Specifically, reflecting how dissatisfaction takes the same shape and form, regardless of source and that given that assumption, then reflect how well an investment in hope for a future change in circumstance has always either been false or short-lived, and finally that given these preliminary conclusions, to come to the final conclusion that it would be unwise to keep doing the same thing and hoping for different results. That's all. I give you your "insider's knowledge." I'm not letting ego get in the way of that concession, which is not even a concession, given that it's obvious. Now, can you rise above your ego to do the same?

 

[punkedoutriffs]

Give up on him, he's an english major.

Guessing you were bio, phys, chem, math, or engineering?

 

[Rothbard]

When I was in undergrad I used to live in the district where all the fraternity/sorority houses were. Every day and almost every night, but especially during the beginning of the semesters or when the whether was nice, I'd see scores of hot girls in shoulder-baring sweatshirts and short shorts walk up and down the street going to the next thumping party on a lawn with tiki-torches while I was coming back from another day-long study session to turn in early so i can wake up at 4 for another day just like it. And I did this for four years. In the meantime, I passed on potential relationships with girls that I KNOW I would have loved to be with. I passed on clubs I wanted to join, day trips, etc. Not ONCE did I regret what I was doing, uncertain as I was back then of whether what I was doing was for nothing.

Based on this and your other posts in this thread, I think one day you are going to look back at your life and regret the f*ck out of it. You don't regret it now because you've still got the same mindset (the pursuit of some as of yet unspecified higher goal), but one day you're going to question why you're doing all this, you're going to question the assumptions that have led you to live your life like this.

 

[John Lannister]

Okay, you seem to be someone that can speak reasonably. Of course you're all correct. As I've already acknowledged to you, you all know the specific stressors and woes of the OP better than me.

All I'm asking is for the OP and anyone who cares to, to try and think outside the box for a minute. Specifically, reflecting how dissatisfaction takes the same shape and form, regardless of source and that given that assumption, then reflect how well an investment in hope for a future change in circumstance has always either been false or short-lived, and finally that given these preliminary conclusions, to come to the final conclusion that it would be unwise to keep doing the same thing and hoping for different results. That's all. I give you your "insider's knowledge." I'm not letting ego get in the way of that concession, which is not even a concession, given that it's obvious. Now, can you rise above your ego to do the same?

This advice is worthless. You have no perspective and are just regurgitating platitudes that an 8th grader could also recite. That's why people are asking for pre-meds to not chime in.

Based on this and your other posts in this thread, I think one day you are going to look back at your life and regret the f*ck out of it.

Give up on him. Newly accepted pre-meds have the supreme confidence and minimal knowledge + common sense. He needs 2-3 years to realize what's up.

 

[Armadillos]

To those of you who are in 3rd year and beyond.. does life get better?

I feel like my life is passing me by. Seems like all my non-med school friends are enjoying life (making good money, going on vacations, etc.) meanwhile I just accure debt and spend most of my time studying. I feel like my life has gotten worse since starting med school.

Maybe I lack perspective or something. I don't know.. just need to vent I guess.

Anyone else feel the same way?

skipped the thread, so sorry if this has already been said

At least during MS1/2 its extremely possible to do a lot of stuff outside school. Im married, go out with friends one night a week, go to church on sunday, play pick up sports a couple times a week, cook dinner for the wife a couple times a week, go on long weekend trips after tests, go to weddings, etc. And this is typical for all my other medschool friends too, if you want to be happy in medschool just do it, there is no reason to make yourself miserable just because you think your supposed to,

Life only stops during medschool (alteast preclinical) if you let it.

 

[punkedoutriffs]

This advice is worthless. You have no perspective and are just regurgitating platitudes that an 8th grader could also recite. That's why people are asking for pre-meds to not chime in.


Give up on him. Newly accepted pre-meds have the supreme confidence and minimal knowledge + common sense. He needs 2-3 years to realize what's up.

Are you dismissing my confidence and knowledge of what it's like to be a medical student or of my knowledge of the anatomy of dissatisfaction? I can promise you you are correct on the former. The latter, I'm not so sure about.

Getting accepted taught me nothing about how to deal with unhappiness. I learned that elsewhere. And don't be so quick to dismiss 8th graders. There are plenty of things you can learn from kids if you care to try.

 

[KnuxNole]

skipped the thread, so sorry if this has already been said

At least during MS1/2 its extremely possible to do a lot of stuff outside school. Im married, go out with friends one night a week, go to church on sunday, play pick up sports a couple times a week, cook dinner for the wife a couple times a week, go on long weekend trips after tests, go to weddings, etc. And this is typical for all my other medschool friends too, if you want to be happy in medschool just do it, there is no reason to make yourself miserable just because you think your supposed to,

Life only stops during medschool (alteast preclinical) if you let it.

This. Don't ever let school stop you completely from having some sort of a life. It's not like you are expected to lock up in a library all day and all night. In undergrad, you have a large amount of free time, so it's understandable that it's different once you hit med school. Find the things that make you happy and keep doing them. I

 

[Dwindlin]

Just because the majority of people on this forum believe that you have to experience medical school to really understand it doesn't make it truth. Just means the majority of people here are unimaginative.

Medical training is not some enigmatic thing. Studying is studying, and if you've ever had a semblance of a real job, then 3rd/4th year aren't going to be much of a surprise either.

I'm a Firefighter/Medic with a music degree, didn't go to a hardcore study my ass off undergrad program. I still had a pretty damn good understanding of what medical school was going to be like before I started, and as I'm getting ready to graduate I can say there were no surprises, it was exactly what I expected. It's short sighted to dismiss people because they haven't "been there." And the analogy about the middle school aged kid is ridiculous, there is a vast difference between an undergrad and a 12-14 year old kid, not the case with undergrad to medical school.

Also, more in line with the OP, yeah it got better, but Christ it wasn't that bad initially.

 

[DubVille]

You guys just don't get it. It's not just about med school. It applies to everything: your relationships, your wealth, your physical appearance, your amount of free time, anything that you use to measure yourself against others, you're going to most likely tend to look at people you perceive to have it better than you. The specifics of the situation don't matter. "Med school" is not special. You keep thinking along these lines, and you'll never find satisfaction, because there's never going to be a point where you'll find yourself saying, "This is it, it doesn't get better than this." And if there is, it won't last long before you find something else to complain about. So okay, maybe I don't know the "specific, medical school-related suckiness," but it doesn't matter. I have experience with feeling unhappy about other things. Dissatisfaction feels the same no matter the impetus. Changes in circumstances won't change your tendency towards dissatisfaction. You'll adapt to any improvement in circumstance, and quite quickly before you're at a baseline again. Not to mention that good circumstances are precarious. So I don't care about circumstance anymore. I don't rely on the hope that an improvement in circumstance will relieve my dissatisfaction. I make my own happiness. You want to tell me I don't know crap about the specific woes of medical school, fine. I won't argue. But I haven't seen anyone put up a good response to anything else I've written, and to say that it doesn't warrant a seriously considered response because I'm a premed is a cop-out and you know it.

I absolutely agree with the bolded. I saw it all the time through my clinical years in residents and young/old attendings, especially in surgical fields. Chronically unhappy people that compared themselves to others with better, incomes/hours/lives/spouses/kids/cars/whatever. The residents continued to push "happiness" until they finished training because then they will have a better income and independence. The junior attendings would be happy when they had built up their practice/paid loans/made partner. The older attendings postponed happiness until retirement because their ex-wives were sucking their savings dry because they were never home or happy. The oldest attendings continued to work because either they lost money because of the economic situation, or realized they have nothing in their life but work, and despite being jaded have nothing else to live for.

To be fair I saw some of these people in every specialty, and personally I can't wait to finish intern year to start my specialty training. People (myself included) need to find happiness in what is going on at the moment. Medicine seems to foster a martyr mentality and although these types of people were a minority, it seems to me its more pervasive than in the "outside world". But I worked in government for a few years between college (where people go to do as little as possible) so my view of alternate careers may not be accurate.

I found preclinical years to be so much fun, and it was maybe 50 hours a week between studying/classes/labs. I had tons of free time, but have never required much studying and lived it up in undergrad. 3rd year and the start of 4th sucked worst of all to me. I enjoyed the medicine aspects but hated some of the "personalities" of docs/nurses/techs/some patients. I found my niche and don't regret medicine at this point.

For the record I disagree with this guy posting advice about med school as a pre med, but he does have some valid points buried in his book filled theoretical world. My advice to you sir is to enjoy med school by interacting with people, don't be a robot.

 

[Anigma07]

I absolutely agree with the bolded. I saw it all the time through my clinical years in residents and young/old attendings, especially in surgical fields. Chronically unhappy people that compared themselves to others with better, incomes/hours/lives/spouses/kids/cars/whatever. The residents continued to push "happiness" until they finished training because then they will have a better income and independence. The junior attendings would be happy when they had built up their practice/paid loans/made partner. The older attendings postponed happiness until retirement because their ex-wives were sucking their savings dry because they were never home or happy. The oldest attendings continued to work because either they lost money because of the economic situation, or realized they have nothing in their life but work, and despite being jaded have nothing else to live for.

To be fair I saw some of these people in every specialty, and personally I can't wait to finish intern year to start my specialty training. People (myself included) need to find happiness in what is going on at the moment. Medicine seems to foster a martyr mentality and although these types of people were a minority, it seems to me its more pervasive than in the "outside world". But I worked in government for a few years between college (where people go to do as little as possible) so my view of alternate careers may not be accurate.

I found preclinical years to be so much fun, and it was maybe 50 hours a week between studying/classes/labs. I had tons of free time, but have never required much studying and lived it up in undergrad. 3rd year and the start of 4th sucked worst of all to me. I enjoyed the medicine aspects but hated some of the "personalities" of docs/nurses/techs/some patients. I found my niche and don't regret medicine at this point.

For the record I disagree with this guy posting advice about med school as a pre med, but he does have some valid points buried in his book filled theoretical world. My advice to you sir is to enjoy med school by interacting with people, don't be a robot.

Great, D.Os and pre-meds posting on this thread. Let's also hear the point of view of some nurses and lab technicians and see if they think med school gets better. The security officer may also want to chime in on this one.

Not to be rude, but there are different forums for a reason.

 

[DubVille]

Sarcasm meter is off but.....

Clearly the letters of my degree indicate I have no clue about the lifestyle of physicians. There is no crossover between what DOs and MDs do on a day to day basis.

Cut me some slack I'm really nervous about starting my janitorial internship at an ACGME program next month.

 

[pathologyDO]

Just because the majority of people on this forum believe that you have to experience medical school to really understand it doesn't make it truth. Just means the majority of people here are unimaginative.

Medical training is not some enigmatic thing. Studying is studying, and if you've ever had a semblance of a real job, then 3rd/4th year aren't going to be much of a surprise either.

I'm a Firefighter/Medic with a music degree, didn't go to a hardcore study my ass off undergrad program. I still had a pretty damn good understanding of what medical school was going to be like before I started, and as I'm getting ready to graduate I can say there were no surprises, it was exactly what I expected. It's short sighted to dismiss people because they haven't "been there." And the analogy about the middle school aged kid is ridiculous, there is a vast difference between an undergrad and a medical student, not the case with undergrad to medical school.

Also, more in line with the OP, yeah it got better, but Christ it wasn't that bad initially.

I absolutely agree with the bolded. I saw it all the time through my clinical years in residents and young/old attendings, especially in surgical fields. Chronically unhappy people that compared themselves to others with better, incomes/hours/lives/spouses/kids/cars/whatever. The residents continued to push "happiness" until they finished training because then they will have a better income and independence. The junior attendings would be happy when they had built up their practice/paid loans/made partner. The older attendings postponed happiness until retirement because their ex-wives were sucking their savings dry because they were never home or happy. The oldest attendings continued to work because either they lost money because of the economic situation, or realized they have nothing in their life but work, and despite being jaded have nothing else to live for.

To be fair I saw some of these people in every specialty, and personally I can't wait to finish intern year to start my specialty training. People (myself included) need to find happiness in what is going on at the moment. Medicine seems to foster a martyr mentality and although these types of people were a minority, it seems to me its more pervasive than in the "outside world". But I worked in government for a few years between college (where people go to do as little as possible) so my view of alternate careers may not be accurate.

I found preclinical years to be so much fun, and it was maybe 50 hours a week between studying/classes/labs. I had tons of free time, but have never required much studying and lived it up in undergrad. 3rd year and the start of 4th sucked worst of all to me. I enjoyed the medicine aspects but hated some of the "personalities" of docs/nurses/techs/some patients. I found my niche and don't regret medicine at this point.

For the record I disagree with this guy posting advice about med school as a pre med, but he does have some valid points buried in his book filled theoretical world. My advice to you sir is to enjoy med school by interacting with people, don't be a robot.

👍👍👍

Thanks for these positive words, they mean a lot to me as I approach my M1 year this Fall.

 

[jl lin]

Wasn't it the Dalai-Lama who said something along the lines of, "Even if a seven-year old admonishes me with truth, I will listen to him?" You sure it's not collective ego getting in your way?

Not knowing or even caring what this back and forth is all about, I agree with your statement above in general.. A wise person can learn from the smallest microorganism and will incorporate all as his or her teacher. They'll learn one way or another.

But in medicine and healthcare, sadly, Being Wrong, or at least fearing that MIGHT be the case, makes people shirk away from what is the true basis of learning--openness and humility. Some are inwardly strong enough to get it. And some aren't. Meanwhile you have to learn to work with some in the field that don't want to every get it, and so much more the pity for them. . .and sometimes their patients.

So, I guess it goes both ways. These things I have seen in and around medicine over the years have annoyed me to death. People thinking there is only one way to do this or that. Who is right and who is wrong, when it isn't always so clear. If people could only know the times where I have seen pride and arrogance and stubbornness injury or even kill patients more than incompetence, Adcom members might consider looking a little deeper into who they might accept into medical school to become physicians. . .and certain residency programs wouldn't be so malignant.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Great, D.Os and pre-meds posting on this thread. Let's also hear the point of view of some nurses and lab technicians and see if they think med school gets better. The security officer may also want to chime in on this one.

Not to be rude, but there are different forums for a reason.

Greatest grade school cop-out of all time.
"Not to be rude but..."

 

[deleted307836]

Great, D.Os and pre-meds posting on this thread. Let's also hear the point of view of some nurses and lab technicians and see if they think med school gets better. The security officer may also want to chime in on this one.

Not to be rude, but there are different forums for a reason.

You are ridiculous. How would a DO student's view be illegitimate in this regard? And why is it that nearly every post of yours in every thread seems to be trying to incite some type of fight or argument?

 

[cowme]

Great, D.Os and pre-meds posting on this thread. Let's also hear the point of view of some nurses and lab technicians and see if they think med school gets better. The security officer may also want to chime in on this one.

Not to be rude, but there are different forums for a reason.

Lol. Tough guy posting on sdn at 130 on Friday night.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Great, D.Os and pre-meds posting on this thread. Let's also hear the point of view of some nurses and lab technicians and see if they think med school gets better. The security officer may also want to chime in on this one.

Not to be rude, but there are different forums for a reason.

D.O. students have every right to post here....

 

[punkedoutriffs]

Based on this and your other posts in this thread, I think one day you are going to look back at your life and regret the f*ck out of it. You don't regret it now because you've still got the same mindset (the pursuit of some as of yet unspecified higher goal), but one day you're going to question why you're doing all this, you're going to question the assumptions that have led you to live your life like this.

I've already gone through that. Full blown existential crisis and all. Started from a Cartesian square one and went from there. Have you?

And I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I was in pursuit of anything. Which leads me to the questions: What are you in pursuit of? Have you questioned your own assumptions?

 

[Textbookversion]

I've already gone through that. Full blown existential crisis and all. Started from a Cartesian square one and went from there. Have you?

And I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I was in pursuit of anything. Which leads me to the questions: What are you in pursuit of? Have you questioned your own assumptions?

you are so annoying, go away

 

[JourneyAgent]

There is an individual element of disposition at work. But I don't know if its necessarily the sunny one that is most adaptive. Low expectations might prevail--As the impossible tide of tedium overtakes even the cheerful in the end.

This is not to say its better to be a child soldier in Sierra Leone who has the option only of killing the innocent or being mamed and then killed. No it's more part of a general malaise of society that creativity and satisfaction in the work place are extremely rare. Which is why some of sunniest dispositions are in for the worst crisis as the mythology of medicine leads you into the desert unprepared.

Example:

My team at a tertiary referral hospital is taking care of a 1 year old baby with neuroblastoma vs leukemia. Happy birthday kid. And perhaps one of the more unsettling realizations I had helping my residents take care of her was that I was the only one on the entire team who had the luxury of enough time to talk to the family in such a way that was emotionally appropriate. If the intern allowed the full import of this tragic hospital course to hit home the 1 million bits of tedium she has to accomish on every single 16 hour shift simply would grind to a halt.

Third year has sucked way more than I thought it ever would. A perpetual audition of insincerities. And yet I still have the time to be human. Going forward I will not.

I know not if things will ever get better anymore. But I no longer lead with chin hoping they will. Instead I roll, duck, and lean back into the ropes. Hoping only that, eventualy, it will tire of beating me down.

 

[VisionaryTics]

I've already gone through that. Full blown existential crisis and all. Started from a Cartesian square one and went from there. Have you?

And I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I was in pursuit of anything. Which leads me to the questions: What are you in pursuit of? Have you questioned your own assumptions?

With all this masturbatory pontificating, I foresee a future neurologist.

 

[oceanillusion42]

Lol. Tough guy posting on sdn at 130 on Friday night.

lol

 

[Packman2003]

To those of you who are in 3rd year and beyond.. does life get better?

I feel like my life is passing me by. Seems like all my non-med school friends are enjoying life (making good money, going on vacations, etc.) meanwhile I just accure debt and spend most of my time studying. I feel like my life has gotten worse since starting med school.

Maybe I lack perspective or something. I don't know.. just need to vent I guess.

Anyone else feel the same way?

When I worked at a hosptial before medical school, one of the cardiology fellows told me this was the hardest part about the whole training process (medical school, residency, etc). She was a second year fellow...so if you want honesty, I would say to buckle up and try to enjoy the ride. It isn't going to end soon. That is one reason why it takes special people to do medicine and you have to enjoy it or you won't be happy. Just remember that you will be eventually having a real career, you will have your loans payed off, and if you manage your money smartly, you will at least be able to live comfortably. I just finished my first year, so I'm not speaking from personal experience, just what I have seen and been told.

 

[Anigma07]

You are ridiculous. How would a DO student's view be illegitimate in this regard? And why is it that nearly every post of yours in every thread seems to be trying to incite some type of fight or argument?

Thanks for the insight, pre-med student.

 

[Evil_Abed]

I've already gone through that. Full blown existential crisis and all. Started from a Cartesian square one and went from there. Have you?

And I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I was in pursuit of anything. Which leads me to the questions: What are you in pursuit of? Have you questioned your own assumptions?

Dear god, you are annoying. Please go away.

Also, you are not a med student -- why is your status listed as "medical student"? If you like misrepresenting yourself, why didn't you jump straight to the "resident" or "attending" status? After all, once you get into med school, you're basically guaranteed to eventually become an attending.

You should be worried about how hard you had to work during undergrad and give up so many things in life in order to get into med school. Med school is a lot more work than undergrad (for most people) -- you might end up being that guy who studies 12+ hours/day and still always behind on things.

With all this masturbatory pontificating, I foresee a future neurologist.

Seriously.

Thanks for the insight, pre-med student.

Sorry, but I don't see why DOs shouldn't post here, either. I agree with CityLights.

 

[oceanillusion42]

Thanks for the insight, pre-med student.

As a "non-premed" student I will second what he said, but apparently I'm a second class citizen cause I'm a DO student.

 

[kavorca]

I think people overestimate how much money their non-medical friends are making and how much fun they are having.

 

[Evil_Abed]

Just because the majority of people on this forum believe that you have to experience medical school to really understand it doesn't make it truth. Just means the majority of people here are unimaginative.

I disagree with you regarding the bolded. Reading about something on SDN or in a book is not the same as experiencing it. That absolutely does make a difference.

I've been in med school for 2 years, but I still know very little of how the next 2 will be. I have some idea, yea. But I could be (and probably will be) completely wrong about what to expect. If that makes me "unimaginative," as you put it, so be it. I personally prefer not running my mouth off on topics I'm not familiar/experienced with -- that's something I learned as a child and has served me well. That's also why I won't tell a new intern to "man the eff up" and that they're "lacking perspective" when they're struggling, which is what the premed in here is telling the OP.

I absolutely agree with the bolded. I saw it all the time through my clinical years in residents and young/old attendings, especially in surgical fields. Chronically unhappy people that compared themselves to others with better, incomes/hours/lives/spouses/kids/cars/whatever. The residents continued to push "happiness" until they finished training because then they will have a better income and independence. The junior attendings would be happy when they had built up their practice/paid loans/made partner. The older attendings postponed happiness until retirement because their ex-wives were sucking their savings dry because they were never home or happy. The oldest attendings continued to work because either they lost money because of the economic situation, or realized they have nothing in their life but work, and despite being jaded have nothing else to live for.

To be fair I saw some of these people in every specialty, and personally I can't wait to finish intern year to start my specialty training. People (myself included) need to find happiness in what is going on at the moment. Medicine seems to foster a martyr mentality and although these types of people were a minority, it seems to me its more pervasive than in the "outside world". But I worked in government for a few years between college (where people go to do as little as possible) so my view of alternate careers may not be accurate.

I found preclinical years to be so much fun, and it was maybe 50 hours a week between studying/classes/labs. I had tons of free time, but have never required much studying and lived it up in undergrad. 3rd year and the start of 4th sucked worst of all to me. I enjoyed the medicine aspects but hated some of the "personalities" of docs/nurses/techs/some patients. I found my niche and don't regret medicine at this point.

For the record I disagree with this guy posting advice about med school as a pre med, but he does have some valid points buried in his book filled theoretical world. My advice to you sir is to enjoy med school by interacting with people, don't be a robot.

I agree, for the most part, with what you're saying. I think one of the main reasons people are getting annoyed by the premed posting in here is that he starts off with a ****ty tone on something he doesn't have experience with:

OP, you are a MED STUDENT for god's sakes. In AMERICA no less. To answer your question, yes you lack perspective. And just because there are others whose perspectives align with yours, doesn't mean the perspective is correct.

That's his first post. It just reeks of douchiness.

If he made a post similar to yours, Dubville, right from the start, I think this thread would've gone in a much different direction and fewer people would've been annoyed by him. When I'm right in the middle of arguably the most depressing time of medical education (Step 1 studying), it's pretty annoying to hear from someone who hasn't even started med school that we should stop whining and get a better perspective. I love med school and do not regret my decision at all. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to vent or feel ****ty/worn-down during certain parts of training. So, it's more the tone of punkedoutriff's posts that I take issue with rather than the content.

 

[tco]

With all this masturbatory pontificating, I foresee a future neurologist.

Quote of the thread.

 

[Anigma07]

Dear god, you are annoying. Please go away.

Also, you are not a med student -- why is your status listed as "medical student"? If you like misrepresenting yourself, why didn't you jump straight to the "resident" or "attending" status? After all, once you get into med school, you're basically guaranteed to eventually become an attending.

You should be worried about how hard you had to work during undergrad and give up so many things in life in order to get into med school. Med school is a lot more work than undergrad (for most people) -- you might end up being that guy who studies 12+ hours/day and still always behind on things.



Seriously.



Sorry, but I don't see why DOs shouldn't post here, either. I agree with CityLights.

This is an allopathic forum, that's why. If I want to hear how DOs think primary care is later in life, I would go onto their forum

 

[GoSpursGo]

What started as a thread for venting and hoping for encouragement (or at least some realistic perspective) has pretty clearly gone pretty far off track into personal insults, DO bashing, and other unrelated topics. Since it appears the OP will not be getting any more useful responses, the thread is being closed.