Does pledging for a frat take up too much time as a pre-med?

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When you look at the "average GPA is higher" defense. Keep in mind that most "higher GPAs" actually equate to a 3.2 vs a 3.0 and most people in frats don't major in pre-medical biology or chemistry.

Don't forget about test banks a lot of frats have...

My university had 2 huge cheating problems that both involved fraternities. I only found one of them. The other one was an econ exam where the frats saved up tests from previous years and this went on for 10ish years without being noticed. Then the professor found out, every student that matched the test bank was found guilty and kicked out. The students that graduated had their degrees taken away.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/10/us/u-of-virginia-hit-by-scandal-over-cheating.html
 
I know everyone here says "but time management and blah blah blah". For every one who I've seen made it, 5 others have had to change majors or consider something else due to grades (anecdotal but worth noting). I think it will make things unnecessarily difficult for you and if you do badly that semester, you're going to regret it down the road and blame the frat for it. I'm personally glad I didn't, but I can understand the appeal. I think you will have a fun time (or not, they say hazing is the best thing you'll never want to do agan) but it won't help at all when it comes to academics and may actually hinder it (Important social night before big exam, some required trip on a weekend you need to study etc etc).

That's exactly what time management is for. I maintained a 3.94 during my pledge semester because I actually had my act together at an early age. For my fellow pledge brothers that were also pre-med at the time, I largely can't say the same because their priorities were more social than academic (Note: I attended every fraternity event we held my pledge semester). It's not the pledging that ruins the GPA, it's the individual. And truthfully, if they were going to let something like pledging get in the way of their grades during their early undergrad years, they probably would have been in trouble regardless.
 
Don't forget about test banks a lot of frats have...

My university had 2 huge cheating problems that both involved fraternities. I only found one of them. The other one was an econ exam where the frats saved up tests from previous years and this went on for 10ish years without being noticed. Then the professor found out, every student that matched the test bank was found guilty and kicked out. The students that graduated had their degrees taken away.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/10/us/u-of-virginia-hit-by-scandal-over-cheating.html

No other school would consider that cheating, and any s school that allows unsupervised testing and doesn't generate new teats every year will always be mired in cheating scandals.
 
Don't forget about test banks a lot of frats have...

My university had 2 huge cheating problems that both involved fraternities. I only found one of them. The other one was an econ exam where the frats saved up tests from previous years and this went on for 10ish years without being noticed. Then the professor found out, every student that matched the test bank was found guilty and kicked out. The students that graduated had their degrees taken away.

I'm sorry... I think I missed any of the regulations that say don't have test banks and that test banks are cheating, unless the professor specifically doesn't give the test back or writes some asinine note on it.



As to the OP... definitely do it. With the exception of studying abroad, it was the best thing I did in college. Tons of experiences to talk about, sports, philanthropy, business... the list can go on and on. You will meet some of your best friends in college and they're going to be there for you. I can walk to any house on another college and know something about the guys already... and the door will always be open.
 
Don't forget about test banks a lot of frats have...

My university had 2 huge cheating problems that both involved fraternities. I only found one of them. The other one was an econ exam where the frats saved up tests from previous years and this went on for 10ish years without being noticed. Then the professor found out, every student that matched the test bank was found guilty and kicked out. The students that graduated had their degrees taken away.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/10/us/u-of-virginia-hit-by-scandal-over-cheating.html

ugh, pre-meds at my school do this all the time. They have tests banks that they study off and most don't think it is cheating. About 40-100% of the material on any test is word for word from old tests.

It worries me that they don't consider this cheating. If the professor wanted us to study off old tests, they would provide it. Instead they want us to actually learn the material instead of memorizing test questions.
 
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Thats fraternity to you.

And if it's a good house with a good pledge program (hard as hell) then you will learn time management and be fine 🙂 Being greek is awesome.

Any fraternity where you sign your bid card and get your letters is a joke not worth your time.

Lol I still always wonder what exchanges and socials are like between the nerdy pre-med/good grade kid fraternity and sororities
 
I pledged freshman year to a fraternity. The pledgeship program included required study hall (proctored by a brother) along with PT every day.

Not only did I get a lot of work done that I wouldn't have otherwise, I also got into great shape.

Ironically, too much time spent volunteering as an EMT is what made my grades fall.
 
I have to throw in my two cents. I am from the northwest, but went to undergraduate in Texas to experience something different than my familiar bubble while growing up. At my university, fraternity life to some people was similar to religion. It was really the only way to gain "access" to all the social privileges that are available in college. Coming from a place that seems to celebrate individualism over conformity, this was quite the culture shock for me. Everybody dressed the same and did whatever they could to fit in so they could get their fraternity bid.

After getting involved in premed clubs, Crew, and meeting a lot of great people through classes, I did not feel socially satisfied, so I pledged my spring semester of freshman year. Btw, fraternity guys are excellent at selling their fraternity to you, enticing you with alcohol and women. It's all fun and games when you are rushing.

It really depends on where you go to school, but I am warning you now: Pledgeship might be hell. You should realize that as a pledge, you are the equivalent of dog feces to them. Your grades may suffer, you may lose focus on academics, and you will be pushed to your limit. I have been intentionally sleep deprived for 3 days, forced to sleep in a broom closet, blindfolded and dropped off 10 miles outside of the city in the middle of the forest, bows and toes with bottlecaps on the elbows, eaten entire jabaneros for getting an answer wrong with no water/milk chaser, and yelled at simultaneously by 40 guys with a flashlight in your eyes telling you that you actually are dog feces. Other fraternities were no different...my friend was forced to eat a stick of butter coated with chewing tobacco.

I may be crazy, but after two months of all that, I did not regret my decision. It was the best time that I absolutely never want to have again. All the guys that gave me a hard time were actually really upstanding guys, whom I now call my brothers. I also went through this experience alongside 13 other guys who are life-long friends and who would do anything for me. My pseudo ego that I developed in high school was completely destroyed, and I was taught that only through sacrifice can you truly appreciate something. The 3 years after were incredible -- I had the time of my life. I had a social outlet from the mundane pre-med world which allowed me to experience people with mindsets much different than my own. And finally, as others have stated, the potential for developing leadership skills and teamwork ability is exceptional.

So good luck with your decision to join, just know that it may not be all flowers and unicorns (like much of the sorority world). If you are seeking to become a more well-rounded individual, then go for it.
 
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I have to throw in my two cents. I am from the northwest, but went to undergraduate in Texas to experience something different than my familiar bubble while growing up. At my university, fraternity life to some people was similar to religion. It was really the only way to gain "access" to all the social privileges that are available in college. Coming from a place that seems to celebrate individualism over conformity, this was quite the culture shock for me. Everybody dressed the same and did whatever they could to fit in so they could get their fraternity bid.

After getting involved in premed clubs, Crew, and meeting a lot of great people through classes, I did not feel socially satisfied, so I pledged my spring semester of freshman year. Btw, fraternity guys are excellent at selling their fraternity to you, enticing you with alcohol and women. It's all fun and games when you are rushing.

It really depends on where you go to school, but I am warning you now: Pledgeship might be hell. You should realize that as a pledge, you are the equivalent of dog feces to them. Your grades may suffer, you may lose focus on academics, and you will be pushed to your limit. I have been intentionally sleep deprived for 3 days, forced to sleep in a broom closet, blindfolded and dropped off 10 miles outside of the city in the middle of the forest, bows and toes with bottlecaps on the elbows, eaten entire jabaneros for getting an answer wrong with no water/milk chaser, and yelled at simultaneously by 40 guys with a flashlight in your eyes telling you that you actually are dog feces. Other fraternities were no different...my friend was forced to eat a stick of butter coated with chewing tobacco.

I may be crazy, but after two months of all that, I did not regret my decision. It was the best time that I absolutely never want to have again. All the guys that gave me a hard time were actually really upstanding guys, whom I now call my brothers. I also went through this experience alongside 13 other guys who are life-long friends and who would do anything for me. My pseudo ego that I developed in high school was completely destroyed, and I was taught that only through sacrifice can you truly appreciate something. The 3 years after were incredible -- I had the time of my life. I had a social outlet from the mundane pre-med world which allowed me to experience people with mindsets much different than my own. And finally, as others have stated, the potential for developing leadership skills and teamwork ability is exceptional.

So good luck with your decision to join, just know that it may not be all flowers and unicorns (like much of the sorority world). If you are seeking to become a more well-rounded individual, then go for it.

Ahahahahaha pledgeship is the best time in your life that you never want to do again. Here are a couple of fond memories from freshman year:

"Y'all are the worst pledge class ever"
"Y'all are so f***ed"
"Here. Drink this."
 
lol yeah.. you're going to get a lot of mixed reviews. The social/random stuff that you do pledging for a fraternity builds a lot of memorable experiences, which I know I don't regret. Those who aren't involved in Greek life or haven't gone through these things will think it's crazy.. which it is.. but as long as you're not putting your life/well-being at risk then I don't see what's wrong with a little craziness in college.

Hopefully what you should gather is that is completely depends on the individual; you can still attend every event and keep up your GPA, and if anything you can skip out on events if your midterm/final is the next day.
 
I have to throw in my two cents. I am from the northwest, but went to undergraduate in Texas to experience something different than my familiar bubble while growing up. At my university, fraternity life to some people was similar to religion. It was really the only way to gain "access" to all the social privileges that are available in college. Coming from a place that seems to celebrate individualism over conformity, this was quite the culture shock for me. Everybody dressed the same and did whatever they could to fit in so they could get their fraternity bid.

After getting involved in premed clubs, Crew, and meeting a lot of great people through classes, I did not feel socially satisfied, so I pledged my spring semester of freshman year. Btw, fraternity guys are excellent at selling their fraternity to you, enticing you with alcohol and women. It's all fun and games when you are rushing.

It really depends on where you go to school, but I am warning you now: Pledgeship might be hell. You should realize that as a pledge, you are the equivalent of dog feces to them. Your grades may suffer, you may lose focus on academics, and you will be pushed to your limit. I have been intentionally sleep deprived for 3 days, forced to sleep in a broom closet, blindfolded and dropped off 10 miles outside of the city in the middle of the forest, bows and toes with bottlecaps on the elbows, eaten entire jabaneros for getting an answer wrong with no water/milk chaser, and yelled at simultaneously by 40 guys with a flashlight in your eyes telling you that you actually are dog feces. Other fraternities were no different...my friend was forced to eat a stick of butter coated with chewing tobacco.

I may be crazy, but after two months of all that, I did not regret my decision. It was the best time that I absolutely never want to have again. All the guys that gave me a hard time were actually really upstanding guys, whom I now call my brothers. I also went through this experience alongside 13 other guys who are life-long friends and who would do anything for me. My pseudo ego that I developed in high school was completely destroyed, and I was taught that only through sacrifice can you truly appreciate something. The 3 years after were incredible -- I had the time of my life. I had a social outlet from the mundane pre-med world which allowed me to experience people with mindsets much different than my own. And finally, as others have stated, the potential for developing leadership skills and teamwork ability is exceptional.

So good luck with your decision to join, just know that it may not be all flowers and unicorns (like much of the sorority world). If you are seeking to become a more well-rounded individual, then go for it.

I remember on my dorm floor there were about a dozen of us that pledged and we swaped a lot of stories. Those sessions usually went like this:

Pledge 1: "Do they make y'all get signatures from the other brothers?
-shared anecdotes and chuckles
Pledge 2: "I'm getting sick of cleaning that f-ing house"
-Much agreement and shared misanthropy
Pledge 3: "And do you remember the first time they beat the **** out of you and dropped you off naked in the woods?
-stunned silence, crickets chirp

If it make you happy I think you have a right to it, and it certainly does seem to make some people happy. I've always thought putting up with this kind of thing is bizare, though.
 
frats = getting girls drunk so you can bang them.

which is awesome.

and will adversely affect your GPA.

and it's still worth it.
 
A lot of guys in a frat at my school are premed and have the stats to get into med school so it is totally doable. Of course, I go to a top college so that might be the reason...
 
You will notice that actual members of these organizations don't use the work "frat" and see how many fraternities invite you to pledge with that kind of attitude (Animal House, etc.) Fraternity life is definitely what you make of it and the money you put towards it will pay back many times over in any of the careers you choose. People blindly pay far more money into their churches, local governments, etc. with little control of how it's used. When you join a fraternity, you have a lot more control over what is left after sending funds to support the national organization.

There are numerous benefits academically to being in a fraternity. One is the infamous "file cabinet" most fraternities have. I'd probably violate the TOS by telling you what's in it, but you can ask around once you go to the Rush Week events. It will pay many more dividends than asking "what can the frat do for me." Having people in your fraternity that are on the same path as you are is also a big plus, as are taking or will already have the same classes as you and can help you out as your mentor. I can honestly say that it would have been a lot more difficult for me to get into medical school without my fraternity ties and the daily support they gave me.

If you're absolutely paranoid about your grades, take the usual weeder classes that are prerequisites for the upper division classes that really count on your medical school application in the Fall and pledge in Spring semester and you'll still get the best of both worlds. Getting a part-time job to pay for school and the fraternity while still managing your school, social and family commitments will be huge once you get into professional schools in terms of the skills many of your classmates will still lack once they start with you. If you join a fraternity, all of this is open to you. If you join a "frat," you may not be as lucky as the priorities will be different.
 
I know plenty of premeds in my fraternity that are in, or going to med school. Its all about time management.. different for different people.

Regular IFC fraternity, at a 'party school'
 
If they took out hazing, I might have tried it out. Thankfully, you don't need to be in a fraternity to get access to the parties/events they hold 😛
 
frats = getting girls drunk so you can bang them.

which is awesome.

and will adversely affect your GPA.

and it's still worth it.

Totally agree... Although if you can keep things together, and focus on school for now, there's is nothing like walking around town with your med student badge. Swag
 
YHaving people in your fraternity that are on the same path as you are is also a big plus, as are taking or will already have the same classes as you and can help you out as your mentor. I can honestly say that it would have been a lot more difficult for me to get into medical school without my fraternity ties and the daily support they gave me.

Definitely this. Having multiple brothers accepted to my top school was a tremendous help. The school-specific interview prep, not to mention all of the handed down MCAT materials, were very key to ensuring my acceptance.
 
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