Does Residency Reputation Impact Private Practice?

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This may have been covered elsewhere, but I am trying to figure out how much the name/reputation of the residency program where you train will help you when starting your own private practice at some point in your career (presuming that you don't do a fellowship)? My guess is that it can help a lot since where you train can be a selling point, as well as a source of good connections. Has anyone found that it was a selling point for them, or did it never come up and doesn't matter at all? Thanks!
 
Of the patients who are interested, have you noticed more seem interested in your residency or your medical school?
 
I have had a total of maybe 2 patients Ever ask about my med school or residency. In private practice they care about your reputation, in that they come to you by referral from someone they trust.
 
For most people I interact with, it probably matters more to your patients how good the football/basketball team affiliated with the university your residency is at than the academic reputation. More than your religion or where you live or whether you're married or have kids, they want to know who you root for on Saturdays and Sundays. That might be specific to my region, but if anything, it's something I find pretty endearing.

I think the only person that ever asked me where I went to medical school or college was a guy with schizophrenia who had graduated from an Ivy League undergrad (he was now in his 50s). Rather than testing me to see if I was "good enough" for him, it seemed like he was more interested in whether I understood where he came from. And let's face it, at age 20, this guy was a hell of a lot smarter than 90% of the physicians who have probably treated him.
 
I see. Thanks for the good insight, especially coming from those with the experience.

Then when does name/reputation matter? Only for academic jobs? Or for job hunting in general? I'm a medical student trying to figure out where to rank various residency programs, and perhaps many others out there are facing a similar conundrum.
 
IMO:
A more prestigious program will help with your reputation amongst friends and family; or more importantly when you look for jobs or fellowships, more doors will likely open.
However, clinically with patients, it almost never matters. Patients care more about what type of person you are.
 
It may influence the type of training you get. Some (not all) big name places are big named for a reason -- i.e. that they have big name attendings, and/or they give outstanding training.
 
The brand name of your residency will likely not affect the referrals you get from former attendings and colleagues who graduated with you. Unless you went to a really lousy residency program with no intra-class cohesion, very likely you and your co-residents all think "We got really good training; those snobby MGH- and Hopkins-types have nothing on us". If you are on an insurance panel, then it will not affect the referrals you get from non-psych colleagues (eg., internists)-- they're just going to be happy that anyone is willing to take a new patient.

If you are planning to do a cash practice, the brand name of your residency will help you market yourself directly to patients (e.g., through your web site). Go to the web site of any MGH, Columbia, and UCSF-trained psychiatrist who is building a private practice, and most will be trumpeting their training in some form. The brand name of your residency will likely not help you accumulate referrals from colleagues; again, what matters more here is whether or not they think you are good and whether or not they think their patient will appreciate the referral. (However, the volume of referrals you get from senior colleagues will likely be related to their overall brand, which is likely linked to the institution's brand.)
 
For most people I interact with, it probably matters more to your patients how good the football/basketball team affiliated with the university your residency is at than the academic reputation. More than your religion or where you live or whether you're married or have kids, they want to know who you root for on Saturdays and Sundays. That might be specific to my region, but if anything, it's something I find pretty endearing.
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Only had one patient ever comment--he saw my residency diplomas on the wall and thought he could ruffle me by taking a shot at that school's athletic setbacks at the time.

Little did he know (since I've never gotten around to framing them) that all of my degrees, and my pathetic fan loyalties, are attached to the local (pathetic) conference rival of my residency institution.

Anyway, back to the OP--it's only going to matter to those it will matter to: flaming narcissists who think brand names matter. I say, let those patients go to those docs. They deserve each other.

(Now if I can just convince my daughter of this before she locks me into 4 years of fancy-schmancy private college tuition...)
 
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OPD: I found an easy way to convince your daughter: tell her she's paying for half of her education.
 
If you are planning to do a cash practice, the brand name of your residency will help you market yourself directly to patients (e.g., through your web site).

This just seems to make sense to me. If you are opening a $300 - 500/hr cash only practice it stands to reason that people who can pay that much can do some research on google. I don't think it would hurt to have some big names on your resume and/or some published research or other accomplishments. Sure you will draw in the kind of people who will pay $500/hr because they deserve 'only the best,' but unless I am mistaken isn't that the point of one of these expensive private practices?

Otherwise I can't imagine having trouble finding as much work as you want as a psychiatrist (especially if you accept insurance). It sounds like psychiatric services are in very high demand virtually everywhere.
 
Looking ahead, I think I'm going to give my kids a list of colleges I'd be willing to consider paying for. I'll pick out about 20 of the top 30 universities and about 5 of the top 10 liberal arts colleges in US News, or the Best State University in whatever state we're living in at the time. And even then, I'm going to require a 20 thousand word essay on why.

And my main rationale for even considering the more expensive colleges is that I want to increase the chance of them eventually marrying somebody smarter than they are.
 
And my main rationale for even considering the more expensive colleges is that I want to increase the chance of them eventually marrying somebody smarter than they are.

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This just seems to make sense to me. If you are opening a $300 - 500/hr cash only practice it stands to reason that people who can pay that much can do some research on google. I don't think it would hurt to have some big names on your resume and/or some published research or other accomplishments. Sure you will draw in the kind of people who will pay $500/hr because they deserve 'only the best,' but unless I am mistaken isn't that the point of one of these expensive private practices?

I for one am glad the advertising works, because I certainly wouldn't want those patients...
 
I for one am glad the advertising works, because I certainly wouldn't want those patients...

I wonder if this is something that is mainly important fresh out of residency when trying to establish a private practice? All the psychiatrists I know with highly successful private practices (read: >$500 0000/year) don't have a website (although of course they are 20+ years out), don't make a song and dance out of where they went to med school or did residency, and don't pander to narcissists or entitled helpseekers. Instead they have built their reputation and get referrals from word of mouth having established themselves in affluent circles. They also tend to have some sort of media presence (writing articles in magazines/newspapers, books, television appearances etc) and be generalists seeing everything as well as being extremely entrepreneurial.
 
This is something I have often wondered about myself. As medical students, I think we tend to believe that having a more renowned name leads to better jobs and/or better salaries. I have asked the question about program reputation to a few psychiatrists before, and the general response is that unless you're gunning for certain academic or research positions, it simply does not matter where you do your residency. The only thing that matters in clinical practice is how good a psychiatrist you are. With respect to fellowships, I have even seen residents coming out of no-name residency programs obtain fellowships at big-name institutions.

Also, those comments above regarding narcissistic patients are realistic. At one of the places where I did a rotation, I was told that sometimes there are these patients who come in and demand to be seen by no one other than the program director, because they want to receive what they consider the best care possible.
 
This is something I have often wondered about myself. As medical students, I think we tend to believe that having a more renowned name leads to better jobs and/or better salaries.
There's nothing magic in the sauce at Harvard Med. They teach the same courses in the same way as most of your state medical schools. This is also true of MGH versus most other academic psych programs.

The reason that you find so many folks from top programs making big bucks or doing great things professionally is not so much a reflection of the training they get at top programs as it is of the fact that most top programs select for top people. These same folks would have gone on to great things even if they went to lesser schools and programs, because they'd still have the smarts and ambition that got them where they are.
 
Residents from top programs make less money on average than residents from lesser known programs. This is because prestigious programs tend to attract more academic/research people. Both academics and research results in a pay reduction compared to private practice.

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There's nothing magic in the sauce at Harvard Med. They teach the same courses in the same way as most of your state medical schools. This is also true of MGH versus most other academic psych programs.

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This just seems to make sense to me. If you are opening a $300 - 500/hr cash only practice it stands to reason that people who can pay that much can do some research on google. I don't think it would hurt to have some big names on your resume and/or some published research or other accomplishments. Sure you will draw in the kind of people who will pay $500/hr because they deserve 'only the best,' but unless I am mistaken isn't that the point of one of these expensive private practices?

Otherwise I can't imagine having trouble finding as much work as you want as a psychiatrist (especially if you accept insurance). It sounds like psychiatric services are in very high demand virtually everywhere.
This is what I've heard from psychiatrists in my city as well: that a prestigious degree or residency can be an asset in trying to set up a lucrative cash only private practice.

Otherwise, the prestige supposedly only matters for those pursuing academics....
 
Otherwise, the prestige supposedly only matters for those pursuing academics....

This is even more of a myth. Prestige matters to those in academics because academics attracts people who to some degree measure their worth of objective factors - what school they went to, winning prizes and fellowships, publications in high impact factor journals, on the editorial board of esteemed journals, membership of major societies etc.

However in academics it really doesn't matter all that much where you went to med school or where you did residency. All anyone cares about is the number and quality of your publications and your ability to secure grant money.

There is a massive confounder operating in that of course researchers are going to go to places where the bench is deep, and of course people who rely of prestige as a measure of their self-worth go to prestigious places. But ultimately in academics if you don't publish then you really do perish.

In clinical psychiatry, it matters not if you trained at Harvard or Columbia if you are a lazy, workshy, abusive and invalidating psychiatrist who doesn't listen to his/her patients. A successful patient outcome in private practice for an educated affluent patient who has no hang ups about revealing she went to a psychiatrist, is like a citation index for an academic psychiatrist.
 
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This is even more of a myth. Prestige matters to those in academics because academics attracts people who to some degree measure their worth of objective factors - what school they went to, winning prizes and fellowships, publications in high impact factor journals, on the editorial board of esteemed journals, membership of major societies etc.

However in academics it really doesn't matter all that much where you went to med school or where you did residency. All anyone cares about is the number and quality of your publications and your ability to secure grant money.

There is a massive confounder operating in that of course researchers are going to go to places where the bench is deep, and of course people who rely of prestige as a measure of their self-worth go to prestigious places. But ultimately in academics if you don't publish then you really do perish.

In clinical psychiatry, it matters not if you trained at Harvard or Columbia if you are a lazy, workshy, abusive and invalidating psychiatrist who doesn't listen to his/her patients. A successful patient outcome in private practice for an educated affluent patient who has no hang ups about revealing she went to a psychiatrist, is like a citation index for an academic psychiatrist.
I was simply stating the advice that I had received by faculty and practicing psychiatrists in my city. I'm not yet in a position to judge whether it's accurate.

I doubt anyone would argue that someone truly gifted at research can't rise from a less prestigious residency, but I have trouble believing that training at Columbia or MGH doesn't help get your foot in the door for opportunities that will help- working with successful research mentors, securing a research fellowship, etc.

Nevertheless, we're straying from the main point of the thread....
 
Would Harvard Longwood, Stanford, or UCLA-NPI qualify as highly prestigious programs by any chance while we're on the topic? Others? We (applicants to residencies) can start to rank programs this Sunday - wohoo!

I'm trying to gauge how to rank many excellent programs other than the overly-cited MGH and Columbia which are becoming cloying. Thanks!
 
Would Harvard Longwood, Stanford, or UCLA-NPI qualify as highly prestigious programs by any chance while we're on the topic? Others? We (applicants to residencies) can start to rank programs this Sunday - wohoo!

I'm trying to gauge how to rank many excellent programs other than the overly-cited MGH and Columbia which are becoming cloying. Thanks!

Do not get overly seduced by the prestige of the programs. I would guess all of the programs you interviewed with are highly prestigious and you are not deciding how to rank Tufts or UCLA-Kern or something.

Go where you would most like to live, most like to practice, clicked best with the residents, think you will get the best training, get the best benefits... quite simply be the happiest. Life is too short to spend 4 years in what is likely the prime of your life to be miserable at a program just because it is highly prestigious.

And yes, Stanford has a highly prestigious academic department of psychiatry (despite being poisoned with drug money like Harvard), but it is generally regarded as not having as good a clinical training as its 'branding' would suggest. It is no accident that it isn't that rare for people to transfer out, and they did not fill some years ago. Although I understand they have a new PD and Chair and things have been improving.

I also think Americans don't think enough about the working conditions and benefits. It really is important to think about pay, educational funding, vacation time, sick leave, professional leave, reimbursement for Step III, whether administration are supportive, maternity/paternity arrangements, call schedule, moonlighting, what happens when you have to fill in for a sick colleague etc. The real test of how good a program is is not how they treat you when things are going well, but how they respond when things are not going well. Sadly, many people will have unexpected problems, illnesses or life transitions during residency and you want to go to a program that care about you as a person and not just as cannon fodder.
 
Would Harvard Longwood, Stanford, or UCLA-NPI qualify as highly prestigious programs by any chance while we're on the topic? Others? We (applicants to residencies) can start to rank programs this Sunday - wohoo!

I'm trying to gauge how to rank many excellent programs other than the overly-cited MGH and Columbia which are becoming cloying. Thanks!

If you are looking for prestige, look no further:
http://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/rankings/psychiatry
 
Yea because prospective patients research high ranking psychiatry residency programs... 👍 Most patients don't even know the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist. I read a progress note from a resident in internal medicine on a patient I admitted that read "Pt to be seen by psychology".
 
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There is a massive confounder operating in that of course researchers are going to go to places where the bench is deep, and of course people who rely of prestige as a measure of their self-worth go to prestigious places. But ultimately in academics if you don't publish then you really do perish.

In clinical psychiatry, it matters not if you trained at Harvard or Columbia if you are a lazy, workshy, abusive and invalidating psychiatrist who doesn't listen to his/her patients. A successful patient outcome in private practice for an educated affluent patient who has no hang ups about revealing she went to a psychiatrist, is like a citation index for an academic psychiatrist.

There are ways to adjust for common causes of success of residents from prestigious programs, and I suspect that even adjusting the baseline characteristics of these residents, there's an independent positive factor in prestigious programs in facilitating an academic career--but of course I don't have hard data for it. Likely not only the resources and mentorship, but also the networking etc. at the larger research institutes has an advantage. You have no access to clinical trial nodes or cutting edge bench research if you went to a community program in the middle of nowhere. It's MUCH harder to publish well at a community program.

In medicine, you have to think about risks vs. benefits in making a decision. I think it's similar in making a decision in life. Unless you hate a particular program or your personal circumstances do not allow you to go to a program, what is the harm to rank a more prestigious program over a less prestigious one? Very little. What's benefit? Potentially large, possibly zero. So by that logic, all else being equal, prestige should be considered in decision making.

On the other hand, this chasing the prestige thing I think has a certain limit. I doubt that the top 10 programs really have a huge difference in terms of quality and capacity to allow for any kind of career--except in specific strengths in subspecialities. Roughly aside from the above mentioned, the top 10 or so include the well known east coast power houses such as Yale, NYU, Penn, Pitt, and west coast such as UCLA, UCSF, Stanford. There are a couple others that are strong in specialized areas such as Cambridge Alliance. But if you go to any of the above mentioned programs you should totally be fine.

In private practice, often the MED school matters in surprising ways. Say you went to Harvard for med school you can always say you are a harvard trained psychiatrist even if you went to random state hospital for residency. That's something else to consider.
 
In private practice, often the MED school matters in surprising ways. Say you went to Harvard for med school you can always say you are a harvard trained psychiatrist even if you went to random state hospital for residency. That's something else to consider.

Once done with residency, I could offer to give a lecture/presentation at Harvard and then tell patients I taught at Harvard. If that fails, I could probably get a locum job filling in for somebody at Harvard for a month or so and say I practiced at Harvard.

Harvard has 4 psych programs right? One will eventually take me up on an offer if I pushed hard enough.

If you really want some training at a top program but you hate the NE, do a 1 year fellowship up there and run south after.

My point is that anyone can build a nice resume from any program and bring in tons of patients.
 
Do NOT go by this. Best hospital by no means equals best residency training.

Leo Aquarius was asking about prestige. USNWR is functionally a ranking of prestige.
 
Leo Aquarius was asking about prestige. USNWR is functionally a ranking of prestige.

I'd still argue that it doesn't rate prestige very well at all. Poll 100 people across the US. Do you think more people recognize Mayo or Menninger better? How about Stanford vs Pitt? None of these 4 programs are bad, but I bet Mayo and Stanford are more highly regarded/prestigious by the general public despite being less regarded by USNWR. Dartmouth and other Harvard hospitals weren't listed at quick glance but Iowa is there.

USNWR is more a popularity contest subjectively determined by academic psychiatrists influenced by research/publishing/current faculty.
 
Yea because prospective patients research high ranking psychiatry residency programs... 👍 Most patients don't even know the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist. I read a progress note from a resident in internal medicine on a patient I admitted that read "Pt to be seen by psychology".

I've seen this a handful of times and it always amazes how someone can make it through medical school, or even their first year, and still not have the ability to distinguish the two.
 
There are ways to adjust for common causes of success of residents from prestigious programs, and I suspect that even adjusting the baseline characteristics of these residents, there's an independent positive factor in prestigious programs in facilitating an academic career--but of course I don't have hard data for it. Likely not only the resources and mentorship, but also the networking etc. at the larger research institutes has an advantage. You have no access to clinical trial nodes or cutting edge bench research if you went to a community program in the middle of nowhere. It's MUCH harder to publish well at a community program.

In private practice, often the MED school matters in surprising ways. Say you went to Harvard for med school you can always say you are a harvard trained psychiatrist even if you went to random state hospital for residency. That's something else to consider.

I believe this is true and really the only reason one should ever consider prestige. It is ultimately, however, more important where you end up doing your research as an attending that matters. But if you want to work in a well-know institution, then you typically train in one of those places. Although they will never tell you directly, when you apply for a grant the NIMH DOES look at where you are. That is why researchers are willing to take huge pay cuts to work for places like Harvard or Hopkins. Otherwise, it makes no difference other then the quality of training at your residency. If you're going to be a clinical psychiatrist, find the best program for YOU.
 
In this new easily accessible information age, rating sites do factor into the decision making of most physicians. However, for psychiatrists who have cash practices or those in affluent areas, being able to advertise that one attended residency at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., will probably help in getting more referrals. That said, a Harvard degree with s---ty bedside manners, will get you negative ratings, which will nullify any advantage that you may have in terms of marketing.

Private practice psychiatrists, plastic surgeons, and dermatologists could use a prestigious degree to their advantage.
 
In this new easily accessible information age, rating sites do factor into the decision making of most physicians. However, for psychiatrists who have cash practices or those in affluent areas, being able to advertise that one attended residency at Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc., will probably help in getting more referrals. That said, a Harvard degree with s---ty bedside manners, will get you negative ratings, which will nullify any advantage that you may have in terms of marketing.

Private practice psychiatrists, plastic surgeons, and dermatologists could use a prestigious degree to their advantage.

Isn't one of the beauties of psych is that one could go to an average residency, but then go to an elite-sounding fellowship without much problem. Wa-la, you're now a "Harvard"-trained shrink.
 
Lets not forget that psychiatry has its gunners, and we don't play nice 🙂
 
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Which will get you really screwed in private practice. Starting by pissing off your referral base as early as residency, or even medical school, can get a "gunner" shot down real quick. :laugh:
 
Which will get you really screwed in private practice. Starting by pissing off your referral base as early as residency, or even medical school, can get a "gunner" shot down real quick. :laugh:
No gunner in psychiatry would demean themselves with something so narcissistically unsatisfying an enterprise as private practice.
 
No gunner in psychiatry would demean themselves with something so narcissistically unsatisfying an enterprise as private practice.

Naaah... the satisfaction they get from "not playing nice" is far more fulfilling!
 
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People say this because they think that similar colors and consistency obviously have the same contents. Everyone thinks fry sauce is just Thousand Island, along with any other spread with a pink hue. Any true food connoisseur would appreciate the differences. After all, aren't psychiatrists and psychologists the same thing?
 
I don't think it's "narcissistic" to try to assess whether your prospective psychiatrist is well trained. "Prestige" is a loaded word, since it connotes snobbery, but, given that there are so few external markers for competence in psychiatry, I think one's training institutions are at least some measure of competence. And if I'm playing the odds, yes, I'd think that someone who graduated from the most famous residency program in a city is a better psychiatrist than someone who trained at a hospital renowned for its bad training, recurrent malpractice, and financial insolvency.

That's not to say I'd necessarily go looking for someone who trained at one of the places in the top 5 in US News. That might be easy in New York, Boston, or Baltimore, but there just aren't that many of them around the country. If I'm in Columbus, Ohio, I'd guess that the better psych graduates of OSU would be just as good as their east coast counterparts. Is Ohio State as famous in psychiatry as in football? Well, no, but I'd guess that most excellent future psychiatrists from Columbus will train in Columbus at OSU and I'd go by word of mouth. If, however, someone recommended a psychiatrist who trained at XXX (name a residency unloved by Ohioans), I'd probably assume something negative (he or she did badly at medical school; doesn't speak English; is problematic in some way) and steer clear. I can change my mind, and it's likely there are excellent graduates of XXX, but I don't see it as peevish to prefer the Ohio State grad (I'm using OSU as an example since I've never been to Columbus, Ohio).

I live in New York, however, and work at one of those prestige places, and so I do think about training sites when I refer patients. I know plenty of our graduates who are problematic, but it's never because they are stupid, ignorant of psychiatry, or slothful. It's always other stuff, and generally that other stuff is fairly easy to detect--and so, in the case of our grads, I can at least rule out some of the common causes of patient satisfaction. It's reminiscent of the situation at Ohio State, at least in regards to their football players. If I'm choosing up sides in a pick up football game, and someone is identified to me only as having recently been a cornerback for the Buckeyes, that guy is going first in my pick up draft; he may be a jerk, a bad team player, etc, but I will at least know that he's really athletic, and the other stuff will show itself quickly.

Oh, and my understanding of US News is that it is a voting contest, but it's not limited to academic psychiatrists and it has nothing officially to do with either residency training or research. It's a date-free vote on clinical reputation by psychiatrists around the country, which is probably why serious academic types roll their eyes at some of the names throughout the list--and certainly roll their eyes at the specific rankings throughout. At the same time, they do definitely care where their place is ranked (or unranked), partly because residency applicants use it as a criterion for matching.
 
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I live in New York, however, and work at one of those prestige places, and so I do think about training sites when I refer patients. I know plenty of our graduates who are problematic, but it's never because they are stupid, ignorant of psychiatry, or slothful. It's always other stuff, and generally that other stuff is fairly easy to detect--and so, in the case of our grads, I can at least rule out some of the common causes of patient satisfaction.

If you feel comfortable saying so, which of the NYC programs would make the cut as "prestige places"?
 
... If, however, someone recommended a psychiatrist who trained at XXX (name a residency unloved by Ohioans), I'd probably assume something negative (he or she did badly at medical school; doesn't speak English; is problematic in some way) and steer clear. .....

Hmmm....university unloved by Ohioans...did badly at medical school and doesn't speak English...

Anyone else on the board wanting to rise to that bait? ;-)
 
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Isn't one of the beauties of psych is that one could go to an average residency, but then go to an elite-sounding fellowship without much problem. Wa-la, you're now a "Harvard"-trained shrink.

Voilà!....:laugh:

Is Ohio State as famous in psychiatry as in football? Well, no, but I'd guess that most excellent future psychiatrists from Columbus will train in Columbus at OSU and I'd go by word of mouth. If, however, someone recommended a psychiatrist who trained at XXX (name a residency unloved by Ohioans), I'd probably assume something negative (he or she did badly at medical school; doesn't speak English; is problematic in some way) and steer clear.

University of Michigan?

Go Blue. 😀
 
I think going to a prestigious place could add some bling or create a good first impression.

I generally agree with most of the above. When people look for a psychiatrist, where they went to school is usually not a question. Having a degree from a name-brand place certainly wouldn't hurt and would likely add something to a patient's first impression.

Though, repeating myself from what I've said in other threads, I've seen several terrible doctors from name-brand places, and several incredible doctors from non name-brand institutions, and vice-versa. Paul Keck, for example, attended a name brand institution, and he is deserving of his title as one of the best psychiatrists in the country. Two people I know are now faculty at name-brand places and they're actually not very good. The places were looking for doctors, the two I'm writing about wanted the name and the honor of wearing a sweater with an Ivy on it, they got hired. I'm not joking or exaggerating.

Two of the worst doctors I've ever seen in my local area have a string of powerhouse institutions they've attended (Exeter, Johns Hopkins, UNC Chapel Hill, etc). One basically keeps his patients sick so he could keep them in the long term institution longer--> that amounts to less work. The other gives out benzos and stimulants without scrutiny leading several of her patients to become addicts without warning them. She has a local rep of turning off her beeper while working at the local university hospital so she could do aerobics while on duty. When she didn't respond to beeps during codes, she would respond "How am I supposed to get my workout done if I answer beeps?"

Bottom line: it's bling. It's a superficial indicator. That bling could help out a practice. The bad thing about this are there are truly good doctors out there from these institutions and I don't want to take away from them, but I don't want to add to the bad doctors either from those same places.
 
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