0.1 to 0.3 mg/kg of ketamine for pain relief, brief procedures, etc.... Do you need to treat this as moderate sedation, get a full consent, etc, or do you just treat it like another analgesic, push the drug and go forth?
0.1 to 0.3 mg/kg of ketamine for pain relief, brief procedures, etc.... Do you need to treat this as moderate sedation, get a full consent, etc, or do you just treat it like another analgesic, push the drug and go forth?
Definitely not - I use 0.5 mg/kg for analgesia. It's not moderate sedation, so no need to do all the associated craziness.
Yeah--I use 0.1 - 0.15/kg. It's much smoother if put in a 100 cc bag of saline and ran over 10 min. Still, I'd say I only order ketamine very infrequently for refractory (real) pain to opioids.
The first few times I did this created a big pissing contest with pharmacy and nursing, so I ended up writing a clinical policy on it
That dose is pretty high for analgesia. You might try 0.1mg/kg a few times and find that you can get good effect with much lower doses.
I saw laryngospasm once as a medical student. They were fine with BVM. I saw a kid get 100x the dose by accident. They were drowsy for a long time, but had no respiratory depression.
I saw laryngospasm once as a medical student. They were fine with BVM. I saw a kid get 100x the dose by accident. They were drowsy for a long time, but had no respiratory depression.
Has anyone on here seen either respiratory depression or laryngospasm with ketamine?
Both are listed as potential adverse reactions to ketamine, but I've never seen either with any route or dose, and I've given ketamine a lot of times.
I saw laryngospasm once as a medical student. They were fine with BVM. I saw a kid get 100x the dose by accident. They were drowsy for a long time, but had no respiratory depression.
Eh, I disagree - it's well within subdissociative doses, and I've had good success with it as an analgesic at this dose. I tend not to use ketamine for pain unless the patient is in severe pain or is refractory to other therapies, and ketamine is a very safe drug. Lots of studies have shown it to be safe even at massive doses. Case in point is the quote below...
Me too. It was during anesthesia in the OR. 3 or 5 BVM and it resolved. I think they pushed it fast that time. Anyone have experience with fast vs slow push?Once saw laryngospasm in a kid during sedation, one squeeze of the bvm and it was gone.
I've seen attendings concerned it could happen, but none of them have ever seen it.
having ED pharmacists helps with use of ketamine for pain significantly -- discuss the dosing (i've used 0.25mg/kg), indication, and good to go. once was a suboxone patient with a nasty distal radius fx, another was a former opiate addict who didn't want to get opiates. needed to I&D a large abscess.
both worked like a charm. patients were happy with level of pain control, no airway issues, no nothing.
That's IV dosing, correct?