Does "URM" carry any weight in DO?

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[MightyMoose]

I have yet to hear something about being a URM and DO school. I was looking at the Western U/COMP numbers and only 2 students were Hispanic and no black students in an area (socal) that's very well known for being minority-heavy.

I don't think so, because a number of URM's within DO school MCAT/GPA ranges end up getting accepted into MD programs. Sure, some might opt to go the DO path, but I don't know if carries the same amount of weight.

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-black-mcatgpagrid.pdf

Realistically, below those averages, someone just isn't going to make the med school cut DO or MD. So, I would find it hard to fathom that DO schools would reduce their admissions standards to bring in more minority students.

It looks like it starts to get a little rough for URM's at about a 20 MCAT and 3.2 GPA for US MD programs. I think the MCAT is low for 99% of the DO programs and the GPA is a little low for most DO programs. But then again, if you're a URM and you have a 24 MCAT apparently a 2.8 GPA is the cutoff... Haha. It's crazy to look at these stats. It always bothers me when I see them...

This is just my spin though.

 

[jeffro1080]

I don't think so, because a number of URM's within DO school MCAT/GPA ranges end up getting accepted into MD programs. Sure, some might opt to go the DO path, but I don't know if carries the same amount of weight.

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-black-mcatgpagrid.pdf

Realistically, below those averages, someone just isn't going to make the med school cut DO or MD. So, I would find it hard to fathom that DO schools would reduce their admissions standards to bring in more minority students.

It looks like it starts to get a little rough for URM's at about a 20 MCAT and 3.2 GPA for US MD programs. I think the MCAT is low for 99% of the DO programs and the GPA is a little low for most DO programs. But then again, if you're a URM and you have a 24 MCAT apparently a 2.8 GPA is the cutoff... Haha. It's crazy to look at these stats. It always bothers me when I see them...

This is just my spin though.

I have a friend with a 20 and 3.86. after getting his scores back, he opted to not submit his secondaries. a month later he got a call from one of the top DO schools telling him that he would get an interview if he submitted.

to be fair, the school I'm referring to claims that they highly favor GPA; however my friend has no ECs besides shadowing a DO a few times.

 

[MightyMoose]

I have a friend with a 20 and 3.86. after getting his scores back, he opted to not submit his secondaries. a month later he got a call from one of the top DO schools telling him that he would get an interview if he submitted.

to be fair, the school I'm referring to claims that they highly favor GPA; however my friend has no ECs besides shadowing a DO a few times.

Is he URM?

 

[jeffro1080]

Is he URM?

well, yeah.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Jeffro, which school are you referring to?? VCOM? I know VCOM is very proactive in recruiting minorities and I have heard that they favor GPA over MCAT.

 

[jeffro1080]

Jeffro, which school are you referring to?? VCOM? I know VCOM is very proactive in recruiting minorities and I have heard that they favor GPA over MCAT.

I'd rather not say.. but it's not VCOM

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Yes, it does. The aacom put out averages by race and gender and if you can find the forum( I for the life of me can't) it includes all the stats which basically will answer the question clearly.

 

[LL562]

I would love to get more information on this!!! I'm Samoan and I havent met any Samoan doctors, most Samoans dont go to college unless they're on the football team haha jk... so what DO schools would I have an advantage at? and where can I get more info on the average MCAT scores and GPAs? I would appreciate any help... thanks guys...

 

[PunkmedGirl]

I'd rather not say.. but it's not VCOM

Lol, well that doesn't help students who fit into that category.

 

[traitorman]

Jeffro, which school are you referring to?? VCOM? I know VCOM is very proactive in recruiting minorities and I have heard that they favor GPA over MCAT.

that makes sense. im surprisingly considered underrepresented at VCOM and have a pretty decent mcat but got rejected pre-interview

 

[rkaz]

I have wondered the same thing since I started school last year. Out of our incoming class of 250 students, we only have 1 African-American student in our class. Yet about 20% of our class is made up of Asians, even though Asians make up a small minority in Arizona (and in the US in general). So it made me think there aren't any sort of affirmative action policies giving preferential status to URM. Even though I'm not a huge fan of affirmative action, I do wish we had more African-American, Hispanic, and Native American students in our class to add to the diversity as it would surely be nice.

 

[Corpsman Up]

I don't think so, because a number of URM's within DO school MCAT/GPA ranges end up getting accepted into MD programs. Sure, some might opt to go the DO path, but I don't know if carries the same amount of weight.

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-black-mcatgpagrid.pdf

Realistically, below those averages, someone just isn't going to make the med school cut DO or MD. So, I would find it hard to fathom that DO schools would reduce their admissions standards to bring in more minority students.

It looks like it starts to get a little rough for URM's at about a 20 MCAT and 3.2 GPA for US MD programs. I think the MCAT is low for 99% of the DO programs and the GPA is a little low for most DO programs. But then again, if you're a URM and you have a 24 MCAT apparently a 2.8 GPA is the cutoff... Haha. It's crazy to look at these stats. It always bothers me when I see them...

This is just my spin though.

Wow, those are eye opening. Where did you find these stats? I personally do not agree that anyone should have an advantage because of their "minority" status. I can agree with "economically disadvantaged" status though

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Wow, those are eye opening. Where did you find these stats? I personally do not agree that anyone should have an advantage because of their "minority" status. I can agree with "economically disadvantaged" status though

So why should economically disadvantage have more advantage over minority?

 

[Chevy Chase Fan]

So why should economically disadvantage have more advantage over minority?

Not all minorities are economically disadvantaged, and not all white people are advantaged. Understand? We should look at more than what color you HAPPENED to be when you were born, and instead at individual circumstances.

 

[Chevy Chase Fan]

I also want to say I have little respect for anyone that uses race as a credential for gaining admission to medical school.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Not all minorities are economically disadvantaged, and not all white people are advantaged. Understand? We should look at more than what color you HAPPENED to be when you were born, and instead at individual circumstances.

So you believe that one should be recruited for their economical status?

 

[PunkmedGirl]

I also want to say I have little respect for anyone that uses race as a credential for gaining admission to medical school.

So I take it you have little to no respect for medical school.

 

[drctother]

So I take it you have little to no respect for medical school.

I dont think his tone is the way it sounds (just off my experience with posting). I think he is trying to say that it is silly when people use their racial status and "milk it" to give them an advantage over people of a different race (correct me if im wrong).

If an applicant was strong and has the qualities to become a great doctor, why should another applicant with a different color of skin or background be more likely to get into medical school with less numeric qualifications?! Thats not fair at all. However, in a sense I suppose you could argue that many URM arent exactly given a fair shot from the beginning

 

[gatorfann14]

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[PunkmedGirl]

I dont think his tone is the way it sounds (just off my experience with posting). I think he is trying to say that it is silly when people use their racial status and "milk it" to give them an advantage over people of a different race (correct me if im wrong).

If an applicant was strong and has the qualities to become a great doctor, why should another applicant with a different color of skin or background be more likely to get into medical school with less numeric qualifications?! Thats not fair at all. However, in a sense I suppose you could argue that many URM arent exactly given a fair shot from the beginning

Again, if you want to be upset at URMs for "milking" their racial identity then you need to be equally upset with medical schools who accept them. URMs only check off a box that states what race/ethnicity they are, but it is up to the ADCOM to invite them to an interview and ultimately accept or deny them. URMs have no power in gaining acceptance into medical schools, if that was the case then there would have been no need for affirmative action to help get them into medical schools to begin with. It's funny how everyone wants to place the blame on URMs getting into medical school with lower stats but completely ignore the fact that URMs only get in because ADCOMs allow them in.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Yes but his point was the rich black kid from Beverly Hills is very different from the black kid from Compton, yet when you only look at "URM status" they are both given the same advantage. Giving URMs preference is meant to "level the road" but when race is the only factor there is an undeserving edge given to minorities that have never been disadvantaged, and there are TONS of white kids that have a similar situation to those in Compton but get lumped in with the well off because of their race.

I gotta repeat that URM is NOT designed to give people economically disadvantaged an edge; that is why there is a separate section for economically disadvantaged students. URM is simply about representation based on population.

Agree with Triage, URM status has nothing to do with being economically disadvantage, so yes a rich black kid and a poor black kid would get lumped together because they are minorities, but the poor black kid would also qualify as economically disadvantaged student.

 

[gatorfann14]

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[PunkmedGirl]

I'm not upset at anyone for milking anything and I completely agree with you, it is the ADCOMs that continue this idea.

I wasn't directing it at you personally.

 

[Chevy Chase Fan]

I'm not upset at anyone for milking anything

How can you not be? Its disgraceful. Period.

 

[MightyMoose]

Wow, those are eye opening. Where did you find these stats? I personally do not agree that anyone should have an advantage because of their "minority" status. I can agree with "economically disadvantaged" status though

Yeah, it's pretty bad when you see it in black and white (no pun intended )

They come straight off of AAMC's website.

To be honest, it's not Caucasian's that have it the worst, it's the poor Asians. They got a really rough deal.

So why should economically disadvantage have more advantage over minority?

It should be more offensive to you that they lower the medical bar to allow blacks/hispanics, etc. into medical school. I find it sad that the bar needs to be lowered, and I know plenty of people who have taken advantage of that fact.

Being economically disadvantaged at least provides a reason why grades might not be quite as high. For instance, the student who needs to support his/her disabled parents, or brothers and sisters who are adolescents, etc.. Or just take the student who has to put him/herself through school with zero financial support from their family, because they are poor, deceased, or are possibly drug addicts... I would say that this would mean a whole lot more than the fact that you happened to be born with black, tan, or whatever color skin.

Call it what you will, but being economically disadvantaged whether you are black, white, or any shade in between makes the journey to medical school much more difficult.

Oh the other part that pisses me off... Not only have the standards been reduced for minorities to attend medical school, but they are the ones getting 90% of the scholarship dollars as well!!! Regardless of their parent's financial situation (or theirs).

 

[MightyMoose]

MightyMouse. Could you please provide a source document showing that 90% of scholarships go to minorities despite economic status?

If you see the AAMC grids here:

(aggregate) http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table24-mcatgpagridall2007-09.pdf
(Minority aggregate) http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-mcatgpa-grid-hbn-morerace.pdf

You will notice that the bar hasn't been lowered out of proportion. If you factor in schools for minority students like Meharry, Howard, and Moorehouse, you'll notice that the remaining amount of minority students with lower stats are not as disproportional as you paint it to be. Look at Hispanic students (no historically Hispanic medical schools) and look at white applicants. The numbers are simply not that disproportionate.

There is clearly a LARGE difference. Look at the totals on the outer rim (right side and bottom, they will make the data easier for you to see and compare). If you still don't see it, then pick a point and compare acceptance percentage, etc..

White:

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-white-mcatpgagrid.pdf

Hisp:

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table25-hisp-mcatpgagrid.pdf


No, I don't have a link for the scholarship info. I will see if I can find one and post it later.

 

[MightyMoose]

Look at the overall acceptances. 47.1% white and 46.6% Hispanic. There are also disproportionately fewer applicants per category that are Hispanic. If part of your medical school's goal is to have diversity, you will have very few choices from who to accept. Remember, minorities, who happen to most often be the poorest and in greatest need of medical car, also gravitate around minority doctors when they can. My grandfather is one example. He goes to an incompetent doctor (graduated outside the US) simply because the guy is a minority. Even after the doctor ignored him while he had a stroke he continues to visit him. Minorities accepted are not disproportionate in their number and they do serve an important part of health care needs.

Dude.... It's not the number accepted or overall percentage of those accepted, it's the stats of those accepted that we are discussing... You have a statistically significantly higher chance of gaining an acceptance to medical school with X stats if you are a minority, end of story.

I understand the reasoning behind the desire to have more minorities in medicine, I just don't agree with the methods.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

It should be more offensive to you that they lower the medical bar to allow blacks/hispanics, etc. into medical school. I find it sad that the bar needs to be lowered, and I know plenty of people who have taken advantage of that fact.

Being economically disadvantaged at least provides a reason why grades might not be quite as high. For instance, the student who needs to support his/her disabled parents, or brothers and sisters who are adolescents, etc.. Or just take the student who has to put him/herself through school with zero financial support from their family, because they are poor, deceased, or are possibly drug addicts... I would say that this would mean a whole lot more than the fact that you happened to be born with black, tan, or whatever color skin.

Call it what you will, but being economically disadvantaged whether you are black, white, or any shade in between makes the journey to medical school much more difficult.

Oh the other part that pisses me off... Not only have the standards been reduced for minorities to attend medical school, but they are the ones getting 90% of the scholarship dollars as well!!! Regardless of their parent's financial situation (or theirs).

Why should I be appalled? Isn't that essentially the big argument about DO schools that they accept students with subpar GPA/MCAT stats? How is this any different when concerning URMs? Or is this only applicable to MD schools? If you have subpar stats applying to MD schools then you should not in anyway be allowed to marticulate into a class. Everyone wants to this about individual merit when its proving to be clearing about one's race.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Not all minorities are economically disadvantaged, and not all white people are advantaged. Understand? We should look at more than what color you HAPPENED to be when you were born, and instead at individual circumstances.

Uh more blacks are disadvantaged than whites. Understand? Race plays a huge factor in economic background.

Yes but his point was the rich black kid from Beverly Hills is very different from the black kid from Compton, yet when you only look at "URM status" they are both given the same advantage. Giving URMs preference is meant to "level the road" but when race is the only factor there is an undeserving edge given to minorities that have never been disadvantaged, and there are TONS of white kids that have a similar situation to those in Compton but get lumped in with the well off because of their race.

This argument is so stupid. The rich black kid from beverly hills has a good opportunity to go to good schools and get higher stats. there are far more black kids in Compton than white.

How do those kids get lumped in with the well off black kids?

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Yeah, it's pretty bad when you see it in black and white (no pun intended )

They come straight off of AAMC's website.

To be honest, it's not Caucasian's that have it the worst, it's the poor Asians. They got a really rough deal.




It should be more offensive to you that they lower the medical bar to allow blacks/hispanics, etc. into medical school. I find it sad that the bar needs to be lowered, and I know plenty of people who have taken advantage of that fact.

Being economically disadvantaged at least provides a reason why grades might not be quite as high. For instance, the student who needs to support his/her disabled parents, or brothers and sisters who are adolescents, etc.. Or just take the student who has to put him/herself through school with zero financial support from their family, because they are poor, deceased, or are possibly drug addicts... I would say that this would mean a whole lot more than the fact that you happened to be born with black, tan, or whatever color skin.

Call it what you will, but being economically disadvantaged whether you are black, white, or any shade in between makes the journey to medical school much more difficult.

Oh the other part that pisses me off... Not only have the standards been reduced for minorities to attend medical school, but they are the ones getting 90% of the scholarship dollars as well!!! Regardless of their parent's financial situation (or theirs).

please tell me how medical school is lowering the bar? Do you have any idea what medical training entails? Sorry white privilege does exist and if you looked at any U.S census facts you will see that URMs have a higher proportion of poverty than other races. There are about just as many whites that get in with low stats that are not URM.

Yes proportion isn't the same in those two groups but it is the seats that matter.

And are you saying poor Asians have it the worst? Why is that? Are you saying medschool acceptance is the only thing that matters?

A rich white kid usually has it better than the rich black kid.

Also about the lower stats thing you might as well argue that D.O schools do the same thing. The traditionally URM schools have MCATs and GPAs of 26 and 3.5 and don't get any boosts on any exams. Yet the bar isn't lowered when you have schools like Pike?

And FYI being black and poor makes the journey into medschool harder. Look at some sociological facts and actually see why ADCOMS across the board do this.

Dude.... It's not the number accepted or overall percentage of those accepted, it's the stats of those accepted that we are discussing... You have a statistically significantly higher chance of gaining an acceptance to medical school with X stats if you are a minority, end of story.

I understand the reasoning behind the desire to have more minorities in medicine, I just don't agree with the methods.

What methods do you agree with then? Making inner city schools better 🙄. You have a statistically significantly higher chance of going to jail, being poor or born in a single parent household if you are a minority, end of story.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

please tell me how medical school is lowering the bar? Do you have any idea what medical training entails? Sorry white privilege does exist and if you looked at any U.S census facts you will see that URMs have a higher proportion of poverty than other races. There are about just as many whites that get in with low stats that are not URM.

Yes proportion isn't the same in those two groups but it is the seats that matter.

And are you saying poor Asians have it the worst? Why is that? Are you saying medschool acceptance is the only thing that matters?

A rich white kid usually has it better than the rich black kid.

Also about the lower stats thing you might as well argue that D.O schools do the same thing. The traditionally URM schools have MCATs and GPAs of 26 and 3.5 and don't get any boosts on any exams. Yet the bar isn't lowered when you have schools like Pike?

And FYI being black and poor makes the journey into medschool harder. Look at some sociological facts and actually see why ADCOMS across the board do this.



What methods do you agree with then? Making inner city schools better 🙄. You have a statistically significantly higher chance of going to jail, being poor or born in a single parent household if you are a minority, end of story.

👍 I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[JamesLMT]

Everyone is speaking in absolutes. You cannot speak in absolutes in a field such as medical school admission, becuause the admission process is so helter-skelter as is.

Do applicants of different ethnicies get preferential treatment in places? Yes. Do they get prejudice? Yes.

Do applicants of underpriviledged areas get preferential treatment? Yes. Do they get prejudice? Yes.

Do applicants of certain regions get preferential treatment? Yes. Do they get prejudice? Yes.

Arguing which race or background has it worse is mute becuase not every school is the same and humans are at the helm. If you want to get into medical school, you will get in, it might be later than you want but you will have a seat.

I come from a very underpriviledged background. I have lived on the streets, not having food on certain nights, completely homeless. My stats are average. Do admission committees care? Yes and No. Some see it as a disadvantage, see that I have lived the life, and see my dedication to helping these populations. Others only see my stats and could care less about my underpriviledged past.

The fact of the matter is as long as humans make up admissions committees there will always be motions to show favor to certain classes, races, etc. and there will always be a prejudice against certain races, classes, etc. (whether conscience or not)

 

[MightyMoose]

Why should I be appalled? Isn't that essentially the big argument about DO schools that they accept students with subpar GPA/MCAT stats? How is this any different when concerning URMs? Or is this only applicable to MD schools? If you have subpar stats applying to MD schools then you should not in anyway be allowed to marticulate into a class. Everyone wants to this about individual merit when its proving to be clearing about one's race.

How does that even compare to DO schools? DO schools still take the best of their applicant pool, they just don't have applicants with the higher stats that MD schools do.

please tell me how medical school is lowering the bar? Do you have any idea what medical training entails? Sorry white privilege does exist and if you looked at any U.S census facts you will see that URMs have a higher proportion of poverty than other races. There are about just as many whites that get in with low stats that are not URM.

Yes proportion isn't the same in those two groups but it is the seats that matter.

And are you saying poor Asians have it the worst? Why is that? Are you saying medschool acceptance is the only thing that matters?

A rich white kid usually has it better than the rich black kid.

Also about the lower stats thing you might as well argue that D.O schools do the same thing. The traditionally URM schools have MCATs and GPAs of 26 and 3.5 and don't get any boosts on any exams. Yet the bar isn't lowered when you have schools like Pike?

And FYI being black and poor makes the journey into medschool harder. Look at some sociological facts and actually see why ADCOMS across the board do this.



What methods do you agree with then? Making inner city schools better 🙄. You have a statistically significantly higher chance of going to jail, being poor or born in a single parent household if you are a minority, end of story.

Aren't we talking about med school here? So, yes, the Asian bit is for the med school process. Don't be an idiot.

I hate to burst your bubble, but those poor black inner city youths aren't the ones that are typically applying to medical school. If you really want to fix this problem it's not adjusting MCAT and GPA scores, it's addressing the societal issues of these impoverished ghettos that most try to ignore and pretend don't even exist. Most of the kids from real ghettos, as you describe them, don't even know what medical school is. High school is a pipe dream for most of them and you're telling me this is who the biased stats are for? Give me a break. Now if this were the reality of the situation, I would be more in favor of it because that is a true struggle, but it's not.

 

[Corpsman Up]

Uh more blacks are disadvantaged than whites. Understand? Race plays a huge factor in economic background.



This argument is so stupid. The rich black kid from beverly hills has a good opportunity to go to good schools and get higher stats. there are far more black kids in Compton than white.

How do those kids get lumped in with the well off black kids?

Who cares if MORE black people are poor than white people? Econ disadvantaged encompasses EVERYONE that has had to overcome the obstacles of being poor and trying to make it. Poverty isnt race dependent

 

[MightyMoose]

While I agree that we should make any impoverished place better, your conclusion is faulty. Again, you haven't factored in schools like Meharry, Moorehouse, and Howard. On top of that, you have not provided any single form of evidence that these minority students fail once inside medical school. So even if you believe it is "wrong" to go about it this way, it actually is helping "fix the problem" as you say it.

You should be more careful in your words from now on. Saying that High School is the pipe dream of African-Americans will likely be misinterpreted.

You can sugar coat what you want, but I won't. This is the reality of the situation. Have you ever spent time in the ghettos? Have you ever spent time with families who have a plethora of other concerns to contend with over high school? Have you ever looked at statistical rates of grade school or high school drop out rates in ghettos?

When did I ever say these students would fail in medical school? I think you're the only one I need to worry about misinterpreting things...

 

[PunkmedGirl]

How does that even compare to DO schools? DO schools still take the best of their applicant pool, they just don't have applicants with the higher stats that MD schools do.

Wow. DO schools pick the best applicants who happen to have lower stats, but MD schools can't do the same with URM? So URMs who have lower stats are not a good/best/viable applicant?

Who cares if MORE black people are poor than white people? Econ disadvantaged encompasses EVERYONE that has had to overcome the obstacles of being poor and trying to make it. Poverty isnt race dependent

So its okay if you're economically disadvantaged and have lower stats but its not okay if you're a URM with lower stats and get accepted? OKay.🙄

 

[JamesLMT]

So its okay if you're economically disadvantaged and have lower stats but its not okay if you're a URM with lower stats and get accepted? OKay.🙄

Ok, I don't want to get involved in your pointless debate, but this statement strikes a cord. You cannot tell me a rich black/asian/hispanic has the same troubles that ANY RACE has when they are economically disadvantaged. If you hold these two scenarios as absolutely equal you are very mistaken.

Economically disadvantaged students do not have access to the same resources that the weathy will have, reguardless of race. That rich colored person that received the best schooling and could take prep courses DOES NOT equal the scenario of the poor person that couldn't afford any of that, again regardless of race. It is often true that there are large populations of UMR's that are poor as well, but please don't equate the two into one situation. They are different as the applicants are.

 

[Dharma]

Judge people on their merits alone. Using race as a factor is well.... racist. I'm white and grew up with very little money, but they wouldn't consider me an URM. The affirmative action of the medical school admissions process is just another BS liberal attempt to level the playing field, and it's not the answer.

 

[Dharma]

"until the color of a man's skin, is of no more significance than the color of his eyes... everywhere is war!"

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Ok, I don't want to get involved in your pointless debate, but this statement strikes a cord. You cannot tell me a rich black/asian/hispanic has the same troubles that ANY RACE has when they are economically disadvantaged. If you hold these two scenarios as absolutely equal you are very mistaken.

Economically disadvantaged students do not have access to the same resources that the weathy will have, reguardless of race. That rich colored person that received the best schooling and could take prep courses DOES NOT equal the scenario of the poor person that couldn't afford any of that, again regardless of race. It is often true that there are large populations of UMR's that are poor as well, but please don't equate the two into one situation. They are different as the applicants are.

URM means under represented minorities and not minorities that are poor or living in poverty. I know people want to believe that if you're a rich black person then all of the worries of being a disadvantage minority will vaporize into thin air. So, yes I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that minorities (specifically blacks and hispanics) will have the same disadvantages or huddles to jump over regardless of the amount of money they have in the bank. Last time I checked money doesn't change discrimination. Yea, you are able to get into the best schools/prep course as a COLORED(wtf..is this the 1950s) person, but what stuggles do you face while going through it? You will be hard pressed to find more than 10 URMs in a medical school class of 150-200 other than at HBCUs.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Judge people on their merits alone. Using race as a factor is well.... racist. I'm white and grew up with very little money, but they wouldn't consider me an URM. The affirmative action of the medical school admissions process is just another BS liberal attempt to level the playing field, and it's not the answer.

I didn't realize being white was in the minority.

 

[Dharma]

I didn't realize being white was in the minority.

That's not the point (I was referring to the economic factors being mentioned earlier). The point is it's total BS and gives people a one-up because of their skin color. It's racist and just more liberal gar-bage!

 

[PunkmedGirl]

That's not the point (I was referring to the economic factors being mentioned earlier). The point is it's total BS and gives people a one-up because of their skin color. It's racist and just more liberal gar-bage!

No, I think you've missed the point. Growing up poor makes you economically disadvantaged but not URM because you are not a minority. The caucasion race isn't underrepresented in medical schools or practice. The purpose and intent of URM is because there aren't enough of these minorities being represented in the field of medicine and they were/have been overlooked because of their race/ethnicity which equals you're said racist.

 

[Dharma]

URM means under represented minorities and not minorities that are poor or living in poverty. I know people want to believe that if you're a rich black person then all of the worries of being a disadvantage minority will vaporize into thin air. So, yes I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that minorities (specifically blacks and hispanics) will have the same disadvantages or huddles to jump over regardless of the amount of money they have in the bank. Last time I checked money doesn't change discrimination. Yea, you are able to get into the best schools/prep course as a COLORED(wtf..is this the 1950s) person, but what stuggles do you face while going through it? You will be hard pressed to find more than 10 URMs in a medical school class of 150-200 other than at HBCUs.

WOW! Typical liberal rhetoric. All these cries of discrimination and woe! Are you really serious when you say:

"without a shadow of a doubt that minorities (specifically blacks and hispanics) will have the same disadvantages or huddles to jump over regardless of the amount of money they have in the bank."

You can't be serious.

Regardless, the bottom line is that taking someone's race into consideration when a making a decision regarding admissions is a racist maneuver. To do so is a weak attempt at evening the playing field and it will only result in the perpetuation of discrimination and racism.

 

[Dharma]

No, I think you've missed the point. Growing up poor makes you economically disadvantaged but not URM because you are not a minority. The caucasion race isn't underrepresented in medical schools or practice. The purpose and intent of URM is because there aren't enough of these minorities being represented in the field of medicine and they were/have been overlooked because of their race/ethnicity which equals you're said racist.

Yeah yeah I understand that Nevada. The point is that the whole URM thing is racist! Anytime you make a decision based on race, it is racist, regardless of your intentions, or how righteous one feels his plight is. It doesn't solve any problems and it's not really helping the people who need it. If anything the poor are the one's who need the extra kick, regardless of race.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

WOW! Typical liberal rhetoric. All these cries of discrimination and woe! Are you really serious when you say:

"without a shadow of a doubt that minorities (specifically blacks and hispanics) will have the same disadvantages or huddles to jump over regardless of the amount of money they have in the bank."

You can't be serious.

Regardless, the bottom line is that taking someone's race into consideration when a making a decision regarding admissions is a racist maneuver. To do so is a weak attempt at evening the playing field and it will only result in the perpetuation of discrimination and racism.

It's liberal rhetoric to those who don't live it. It's liberal rhetoric to those who can't see pass their own experiences in life and refuse to acknowledge that racism/discrimination is still prevalent in today's society. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but I just know what if you don't life as black or hispanic person everyday then you can't tell me what the hell I go through as a minority.

Yeah yeah I understand that Nevada. The point is that the whole URM thing is racist! Anytime you make a decision based on race, it is racist, regardless of your intentions, or how righteous one feels his plight is. It doesn't solve any problems and it's not really helping the people who need it. If anything the poor are the one's who need the extra kick, regardless of race.

I'm not Nevada.

This whole paragraph is full of contradictions.

 

[gatorfann14]

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[Dharma]

This whole paragraph is full of contradictions.

Such as?

 

[Dharma]

On that note... time to go out in my beautiful city (NY) where it seems as if this whole discrimination ain't happening so often.