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Why do we need to follow what their policy say on everything. Can't anyone see the futility of these requirements? They make these policies long time ago when slavery is still legal & shove it on our throat. What is also surprising to me is the compliance we do.I do think in a smaller scale the Iranian President is correct on how the UN has no voice at the Security Council at all.Most leaders are compliant.

Are they saying that our knowledge is not good enough for the American public? We are already licensed in our country , is that mean our people are guinea pigs or are they insinuating that they deserve better & our people are only second class to them? When do you say that knowledge is good enough for the American public ,that right now is in crisis , you think little treatment is better than no treatment at all? .That is why we have continuing ed.I have the opprotunity to see their work, most of them are crooks. I think we are even more qualified as we know the basics,for them without the amalgamator they are lost.




"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." - Samuel Adams

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is
striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau <><
 
Nobody shoved anything down your throat. While I am all for the development of a more uniform policy on licensure, I recognise that every country has a prerogative to formulate its own laws, rational or otherwise.
 
Why do we need to follow what their policy say on everything.Because these rules and regulations did not just come from a panel of Doctors that throw their ideas in a hat and crab them at random and make policy. You are not giving them credit and that concerns me that you can't identify with how a democratic system , governed by what I am sure are people far more educated then us at our stage FUNCTIONS. Can't anyone see the futility of these requirements?Although they seem futile to you , you are showing severe sings of resentment to a system that plenty of us , regardless of issue , get into . You are also proving yourself in my opinion to be a sore loser, What I mean from this is that, you seem to not be able to pass the standard required by all of us. So, you are ranting and raving about how unfair the system is. Again, the issues that you disagree with affects all of us . We , however choose not to talk or take action as you do. We are well aware of the issues and we all agree there is room for change. Most of us would choose to cause change when we are and have passed all the standards set forth to us; to be part of the system. In my opinion, if you want change you can only cause change when you are part of the system , outside of that, your actions, words, and thoughts are futile and vacuous. They make these policies long time ago when slavery is still legal & shove it on our throat. As an american who studied abroad and I will state this again I am 100% American my family has been here for three generations, you should evaluate what you say , I know that you are upset and speaking from emotion and not rational , but the laws that govern all parts of our professions are constantly updated and the councils of each state meet regularly to keep everything in check and balance.What is also surprising to me is the compliance we do.I do think in a smaller scale the Iranian President is correct on how the UN has no voice at the Security Council at all.Most leaders are compliant.Now I know you are off the deep end, to say something as asinine as that. There are better ways to state your case. That statement is uncalled for . As an American who is as FTD graduate I take great offense to this comment and you should retract it ,if you had any real sense. Again, I will put it to you like this . I went to the Dominican Republic to medical/dental school , Being a white american non-hispanic I did not speak the language and I went through 5 years there in spanish that I had no choice but to learn because my 2 years of medicine and my 3 years of dentistry were all in spanish, I wanted to complain about a lot of issues that did not seem right to me , but I accepted it , as you should. The reason for this was because it was I who made the decision to go there and it was I who had to deal with issues I did not support , not just the language. So you see YOU made the decisions to be here , just like the rest of us , it is YOU that has to decide that if you don't like it LEAVE. Save us your banter. Because you are not acting as a soon to be professional you are acting like a child who can't get his way. I know you will feel attacked by my opinion , I would not expect less judging by your trane of thought and current state of emotion. I am not trying to be cruel, I am treating you as you are acting and that is a fact of life , if you wanted to be treated with respect you must act as if you deserve it. people will read your comments here because once they are here they are on record and if it ever got in the hands of the wrong people who grant the change you seek , it will be used against you and you will not have solid ground to stand on , you will be discredited as fast as you can say your own name , believe me when I tell you this I come from a political family that is heavily involved in medicine , the military and politics itself.

Are they saying that our knowledge is not good enough for the American public? Once again you are not proving anything to us by this train of thought. You must take into consideration what the American students go through to get into school and the issue that, the USA happens to be one of the best countries by, scholastic and research terms, leaders in dentistry , I agree we are not THE BEST, BUT WE DESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD.We are already licensed in our country , is that mean our people are guinea pigs or are they insinuating that they deserve better & our people are only second class to them? Again you seem to abandon all common sence and resort to a child who is not getting what he wants.When do you say that knowledge is good enough for the American public ,that right now is in crisis , you think little treatment is better than no treatment at all? .Once again the standards have been set and have been met and continue to be met by FTDs without fail or complaint, we are all going through what you are and do not dare think of such issues, we work hard to pass and get into the system and then prove to them what they already know, which is that we have the capactiy to be great dentist, but see here my point to all this , WE GET IN FIRST THEN WE PROVE TO THEM OUR VALUE , THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL DO YOUR BEST TO SEEK THE CHANGES YOU SEEK AND THAT IS GET IN, GET DONE AND THEN MOVE ON TO YOUR AGENDA. I agree there is need for change and I have plans to do so, but, I will earn the right to do so by their standards and then you will see how to do this in a mature , educated and correct manor. That is why I would love to go to U of Rochester because want to practice , teach and get a masters in public health because I have the same passion that you have to make change , but I choose to make a difference the right way.That is why we have continuing ed.I have the opprotunity to see their work, most of them are crooks. I think we are even more qualified as we know the basics,for them without the amalgamator they are lost.Another vacuous statement that is sure to fall on deaf ears.
 
:clap: :clap: :clap: Well said Bill :clap: :clap: :clap:
And God bless America!!!
 
I respect your compliant behavior as I mostly expected. This is a very sensitive matter ,and that we all agree needs change.Do you think most people will bother to come back to continue this cause.As I saw it in my perspective people that choses Dentistry ,most of them has something in common:money.It happened that I fall in love with this profession in a different point of view.Remember "there will be no tyrranny if there is no subserviency".You know that for years I am hounding the Congress to pass a bill to eliminate these futile requirements. If I am selfish enough , I would not try & exert my time & energy to change the system,if I succeed in this cause this is not for me ,I am sick , I am not physically fit to practice,this is for the generations to come.Tell me of one bill in any given State that challenges the validity of these restrictions.Not one . In NH I am at the Congress every session of the year & we are making progress. I grant you that we chose to come here in our own free will.Now , my freewill attached is my freedom to question the authority & if I believed is inhumane & can be challenge in the International Tribunal i will. I have no desire to practice at all. I want to go back to my Alma mater (UE) & present to the future generations that I an anonymous alumni have contributed to the fairness & contributed to change the system that so many has suffered. Your opinion is extremely opposite than mine. Please do not tell me how I am gonna exercise my 1st Amendmend right.
I question the validity of these restrictions towards our practice, not for you to agree with anything that I am doing right now ,as I know the good majority of us will not rock the boat even if they can. The war on Iraq is an example of this. Now everybody has their own theory. I do not know what you mean by sore loser. IN NH I have made a tremendous impact as far as oral health .In any event you want to check the credibilty of my work you are most welcome to read the bills that I introduced to wards the freedom & liberty that affects the health of poor people ,the sick & the underserved.I think you are so self absorb , that I really really doubt that once you are there with your license attach to your wall your motivation will cahnge,goobye ,the hell with the future generations that has the same aspirations as we are.Through this restrictions ,this is not just to sift through qualified dentists but those who has resources to stay here &the opportunity to study like you all might inherent from your rich backgrounds parents or the access to money,to grants & loans. How about those who only can afford not more than their intelligence can do ?The hell with them,huh?Have you think about them? There are tremendous source of dentists & scientists but has no way to survive here without enough funds to stay here.How about them?In this discussion don't think that I am my own voice becoz I could care less but the world have punished the underprivelege enough. And enough is enough.I stand to those who uses power to suppresses rgihts of humanity. Be compliant , that is the best thing to do if the going gets rough, it is the best way out.Go with it. I am not in any way asking for anyone to agree with me.Only your thoughts,not attacks.I have a professor in CA who I know the caliber of his intelligence in Prostho. I talked to him & I ask him what do you do now ,Sir. He said I am a dental technician. This kind of things goes against my grain,makes my blood boil.His son is my colleague & is in practice but he never get satisfied of what he is doing & he said to me this ,thing about my Dad bothers me all the time. When I posted these article here , I know I will be attack. Your blue is maybe yellow to me, your night maybe morning to me, your insights is yourr insight .Mine is do it now,let us get it done so everyone will benefit from it including our future colleagues.Hey, don't tell me, if you don't like it here ,tough **** get the hell out.Too bad,I do have rights & previleges under the Constitution. I can run my big mouth until I die, if no one listens, at least I can tell my friends & colleagues that I have tried my darnest. I do not want to be old & be told by our next generations what did you guys do all these time. And most definitely I do not want to be on the list that look upon after their own self serving interest. I assumed the responsibilty as an advocate & voice ,whether they know it or not.Now what is the guarantee that the system will listen after you proven you did what you have been told ot do? The solution is just budding ,immaterial who or what you have in your paers/documents ,background. If Einstein had listen to someone like you , we won't have the quantum physics. I am totally for globalization by all aspect of the word. These restrictions are tainted with prejudice & isolation & the deprivation of our rights through disintegration constitute distinct violation of our human rights.That is the topic of the FCC hearing in UCLA last night,liberty the cornerstone of a democratic country.

I want to challenge anyone to have a debate on this topic maybe we can come up with better ideas if we can all contribute.

FYI: New Hampshire is now issuing temporary licenses to all who are in or have done any AEGD. Thanks to this irrate Filipino dentist that doens't shut up.

Instead of waste my time to these quagmire of restrictions , I'd rather put my effort towards a bigger magnitude,that in the history of our profession we contributed a positive part of the history. And a little P.S. Look in the ADA archives how long these restrictions have been in place? Did anybody one after they get their license & come back & say Hey these are not fair for us.We need to be heard here.How many & please correct me if I am wrong;nada.After they do , money machine takes over. Don't talk to me into that crap becoz I am not a bull****ter , I want it done & I want it done as soon as I can if not NOW.If we pass a bill in the Congress guess what? all illegal migrants can apply for working visa as dentists are in huge demand right now.

OK I rant too much now huh? The squeaky wheel get the grease.



"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." - Samuel Adams

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is
striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau <><
 
The last comment that you made about letting what I said here will be on the record sounds like this ; somehow,someway I should be afraid of ,that " it will reach the wrong hands ,I will be discredited". You are a typical Bush type of mentality." Do as I say or I will order to bomb you". Isn't it the order in Iraq? In Iran ? In Afghanistan? In Lebanon? Now in North Korea. Intimidation. When people is in state of fear they resort to flight or fight ? Where are you in this fight or flight.I will leave the answer to the readers.There are millions of people that die in resistance to tyrrany. They die like our forefathers did both here & anywhere in this world to sustain the continuity of our sovereignty.That is embedded in the world history.

The fish is always caught by the mouth. I grant you that as you have no idea who am I & concluded that I do not deserve respect ,acting like a child & I could care less one way or the other. Are you telling me that the only reason that you are following these restrictions is becoz you are afraid of the retaliations if you speak your mind against them? Analyze your answer very carefully.
There is a huge difference between requiremnets & restrictions. And I believed this is the latter.

This is exactly my point ; since I have no way of reaching all these" wrong hands". I do hope they google me so I can tell them exactly what I think to their faces.Until no one recognizes these restrictions ,they will continue to tighten it up. So where are these people that also think like we do to change your room for change? As my humble father said , make miracles, don't wait for them to come becoz there is no such thing.Room for change? Or we should make the room ,so the change can happen. Father's logic applied.

Fixen, listen to me , in the history of the world , we are the only country that is recorded that throw a dictator for 24 yrs. of silence, without help from anyone from any body, without a single drop of blood wasted on the street, the UN stand & watch us starved & struggle for 24 yrs, the US assisted the dictator , of course,for their own vested interest.We throw out the three biggest US bases in Asia by the courage of the only Congress in the world that has balls to say get out 1990.We managed to do it on our own, go to the National Archives, search these facts, we are not subservient people, it is in our blood.And what generation took this responsibility to the street ? We are called the Martial Law babies. So I have a clue of your background & hopefully we can address each other maybe these way. And I came from a little village in the Philippines, no way near elite, like you.

I do feel the resistance imposed & the intrusion of US govt in every fiber in our system & throughout the world.The erosion of our global individual rights, these restrictions that they imposed on us is just a bit & pieces of suppression designed to control both us & the majority of US population.The impact of imposing these restrictions is in part to control not only us but the US citizens in general. Who are the people affected by these restrictions the most ? Not them,the upper class we are supporting them to be healthy through our taxes.The middle class are crying out loud for the premium of the HMO on the dental services. The people who has no insurance ,the elderly,the sick,the disabled,the single mothers that lives from paycheck to paychek should I go any further more? You combine the middle class & the lower class,this is the 2/3 of the population? Suffering induced by the tyrrany.This is not democracy.So don't tell me I am acting like a child. You have no idea what these part of the society are going through as you said you belong to the elite society.Thanks to your Mom & Dad. I do hope u print out my post & show them to your Mom & Dad. If they may I want to know their opinion, if indeed the restrictions is reasonable from their point of view.
 
I respect your compliant behavior as I mostly expected.One can not expect what one does not know , it renders your thought as an assumption not a fact. This is a very sensitive matter ,and that we all agree needs change.Do you think most people will bother to come back to continue this cause.As I saw it in my perspective people that choses Dentistry ,most of them has something in common:money.Once again an assumption based on emotion and vacuous prediction of the hearts and thoughts of others.It happened that I fall in love with this profession in a different point of view.Do you expect us to believe that you think we are any different?Remember "there will be no tyrranny if there is no subserviency"."Obstinate people can be divided into the opinionated, the ignorant, and the boorish."-Aristotle,I quote this because, you act as if you live in a tyrannic state and country, as if you did, you would be shot for such thoughts and last I check no one is going to shoot you for your struggle or thoughts. Simply because, you live in the opposite society which is a democracy, so spare us the opinionated,ignorant, and boorish definition of the society you think you live in.You know that for years I am hounding the Congress to pass a bill to eliminate these futile requirements. If I am selfish enough , I would not try & exert my time & energy to change the system,This statement is very odd to me, considering your self description of your platform, repetitively surrounds itself with you constantly bantering, " what I am doing, What I have done ,What I think is right,What my opinions are , everything you have stated has started and ended with ,what YOU have done and what YOU think and what YOU feel.if I succeed in this cause this is not for me ,I am sick ,If you are sick and I do not question that , I do feel for you, I am not a cruel person. I respect that you are passionate about what you feel and I do support change. I disagree however, with the the base of your philosophy and how you go about this personally,. I am not physically fit to practice,this is for the generations to come.Tell me of one bill in any given State that challenges the validity of these restrictions.Not one . In NH I am at the Congress every session of the year & we are making progress. I grant you that we chose to come here in our own free will.Now , my freewill attached is my freedom to question the authority & if I believed is inhumane & can be challenge in the International Tribunal i will.There is nothing INHUMANE about the system , your statement implies atrocity , no one is getting hurt by the system from our point as professionals, although the system to practice is hard and demanding, never once did I feel it was inhumane. In my opinion you are feverish. I have no desire to practice at all. I want to go back to my Alma mater (UE) & present to the future generations that I an anonymous alumni have contributed to the fairness & contributed to change the system that so many has suffered. Your opinion is extremely opposite than mine. Please do not tell me how I am gonna exercise my 1st Amendmend right.I sir, am an American, I have been practicing this right for a very long time and reserve the right for you to do the same, you are implying once again that I am something I am not.I should state again, that my point of you saying, you are not selfish is not defined by your words , I can not count the times, as there are to many , that you say "I".
I question the validity of these restrictions towards our practice, not for you to agree with anything that I am doing right now ,as I know the good majority of us will not rock the boat even if they can.Again, I would say that change can only come when you are part of the system with which you desire to change, most people if not all who are on the Forum for International Dentist are not in the system, which by the way is why we are all on this forum to give and get support from all those who experience the system that we go through. You should petition SDN or start another forum where you deal with those FTDs that are in the system , you will have far more success. The war on Iraq is an example of this.The war on Iraq has nothing to do with this at all , you use examples that are so off based to prove your point that it is disturbing, do you have friends or family there or have lost their lives over there? , I do ,so you can see why I think it is preposterous that you use this as a platform to prove your point. Now everybody has their own theory. I do not know what you mean by sore loser. I say this because you take no calm rational intellect to state your issues , everything comes from your heart. It is all emotion because you are lost in translation. I refuse to defend myself as to how I will go about changing the same system you are trying to , because I am secure in my education and experience as an American on how to do this. You choose to fight and that attitude is tiresome and will only make you burn out in time. IN NH I have made a tremendous impact as far as oral health .In any event you want to check the credibility of my work you are most welcome to read the bills that I introduced to wards the freedom & liberty that affects the health of poor people ,the sick & the underserved.I think you are so self absorb ," I will pay no attention to a person who throws rocks at mirrored houses, I will tell you this , I have been involved in a third world povish country and as a student I brought about change , That lead to reform for those less fortunate. So say all you want about me, but again , as I continue to read this there is a lot of you saying what YOU have done and what YOU WILL DO , AND YOU CALL ME SELF ABSORBED , MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE SELF ABSORBED ARE DIRECTLY DEFINED BY WHAT YOU SAY AND HOW YOU SAY IT PROVES YOU TO BE HYPOCRITICAL.that I really really doubt that once you are there with your license attach to your wall your motivation will cahnge,goobye ,the hell with the future generations that has the same aspirations as we are.You are defined once again by the ignorance you state, you do not know me but you are quick to judge.Through this restrictions ,this is not just to sift through qualified dentists but those who has resources to stay here &the opportunity to study like you all might inherent from your rich backgrounds parents or the access to money,to grants & loans.Let me give you insight to my "rich" life and background , My mother, who while having three children and living on food stamps gave up the three most prized pocessions to better her life and the future of her family, she gave me and my brothers to my father and she went to a third world medical school, lived in even more povish conditions to become a physician , today this same women, has six children and is a Neonatal Pediatric Cardiologist with an MBA and stilll refuses to work privately where she could make well over a million dollars a year for her specialty , but no sir she works 7 days a week for a tenth of that; just to help those less fortunate, I am part of her and will forever take her teachings to heart as to mold myself the same caliber of doctor she is. So you see, you shot from the hip and you lable me without knowing me but to tell you the truth after reading your thoughts , I understand you and quite frankly, I pitty you. How about those who only can afford not more than their intelligence can do ?The hell with them,huh?Have you think about them? There are tremendous source of dentists & scientists but has no way to survive here without enough funds to stay here.How about them?You act as if you are a self proclaimed savior to all of us who struggle . We do not need your help, we all except our struggle.In this discussion don't think that I am my own voice becoz I could care less but the world have punished the underprivelege enough. And enough is enough.I stand to those who uses power to suppresses rgihts of humanity. Be compliant , that is the best thing to do if the going gets rough, it is the best way out.Go with it. I am not in any way asking for anyone to agree with me.Only your thoughts,not attacks.What you fail to understand is the way you present yourself, this is the problem , you over look what we have tried to tell you; we all know there is room for change, but don't you find it ironic, that no one is coming out and saying we support you, this is because you give no structure to your plans to do so , you just go on and on and rant and rave like a child, I do this and I do that and you are all compliant , you my friend have no leadership skills and for this no one will follow you.I have a professor in CA who I know the caliber of his intelligence in Prostho. I talked to him & I ask him what do you do now ,Sir. He said I am a dental technician. This kind of things goes against my grain,makes my blood boil.His son is my colleague & is in practice but he never get satisfied of what he is doing & he said to me this ,thing about my Dad bothers me all the time. When I posted these article here , I know I will be attack. Your blue is maybe yellow to me, your night maybe morning to me, your insights is yourr insight .Mine is do it now,let us get it done so everyone will benefit from it including our future colleagues.Hey, don't tell me, if you don't like it here ,tough **** get the hell out.Too bad,I do have rights & previleges under the Constitution.Nobody questions your amiable rights , just the way you go about fighting for them. I can run my big mouth until I die, if no one listens, at least I can tell my friends & colleagues that I have tried my darnest.You will only prove to them that you are a shouter and not a reformer, this quote somes it up,"...there is a difference between being convinced and being stubborn. I’m not certain what the difference is, but I do know that if you butt your head against a stone wall long enough, at some point you realize the wall is stone and that your head is flesh and blood."
-Maya Angelou
I do not want to be old & be told by our next generations what did you guys do all these time. And most definitely I do not want to be on the list that look upon after their own self serving interest. I assumed the responsibilty as an advocate & voice ,whether they know it or not.Now what is the guarantee that the system will listen after you proven you did what you have been told ot do? The solution is just budding ,immaterial who or what you have in your paers/documents ,background. If Einstein had listen to someone like you , we won't have the quantum physics. Again, you use items of intellect ,such as these, to fill the toughts of those with a base made of air, there is just no support or structure to hold it up.I am totally for globalization by all aspect of the word. These restrictions are tainted with prejudice & isolation & the deprivation of our rights through disintegration constitute distinct violation of our human rights.That is the topic of the FCC hearing in UCLA last night,liberty the cornerstone of a democratic country.The worst part of this is you choose to unite those, who share the general ideas that our system needs change, by division. You think we attack you, when we simple don't agree and you prove yourself to be unresponsive to us, proving yourself to be what you lable us, which is , tyranic and compliant . It is all to ironic

I want to challenge anyone to have a debate on this topic maybe we can come up with better ideas if we can all contribute The debate has started you can't choose who you want to debate simply because they pose opposition to you.

FYI: New Hampshire is now issuing temporary licenses to all who are in or have done any AEGD. Thanks to this irrate Filipino dentist that doens't shut up.Sounds self absorbed to me, irony at its finest.

Instead of waste my time to these quagmire of restrictions , I'd rather put my effort towards a bigger magnitude,that in the history of our profession we contributed a positive part of the history. And a little P.S. Look in the ADA archives how long these restrictions have been in place? Did anybody one after they get their license & come back & say Hey these are not fair for us.We need to be heard here.How many & please correct me if I am wrong;nada.After they do , money machine takes over. Don't talk to me into that crap becoz I am not a bull****ter , I want it done & I want it done as soon as I can if not NOW.If we pass a bill in the Congress guess what? all illegal migrants can apply for working visa as dentists are in huge demand right now.When you state a plan of action other then the obvious and give your platform formaty and structure, other then sounding like William Wallace , "They can take our lives, but they can never take our freedom!" , you are not in a war or a battle you are involved in a comlex situation that needs more tact then just your will and emotion to fight .

OK I rant too much now huh? The squeaky wheel get the grease.



"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." - Samuel Adams

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is
striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau <><
I will state this again you have the right to your opinion and remember we are all on the same side.
 
The last comment that you made about letting what I said here will be on the record sounds like this ; somehow,someway I should be afraid of ,that " it will reach the wrong hands ,I will be discredited". You are delusional your ability to understand, is fueled by defensive emotion and not rational intellect.You are a typical Bush type of mentality."There you go again with the labels, the more you state such idiotic statements , I really feel that your plight to bring about change will only end in some form of negative progression for us all. Do as I say or I will order to bomb you". Isn't it the order in Iraq? In Iran ? In Afghanistan? In Lebanon? Now in North Korea. Intimidation.You make comparatives of terrorism and lunatic fanatical dictators who want nuclear capabilities to blow America up, you sound like them and I would never let you get near a bomb you might blow up the American dental system, if you do not get your way. When people is in state of fear they resort to flight or fight ? Where are you in this fight or flight.As for me my plan for reform is structured , intelligent and will use the American system of laws and democratic standards to cause change. I will leave the answer to the readers.I think they already have, you might not like what they think and label them Bush Mongers.There are millions of people that die in resistance to tyranny. They die like our forefathers did both here & anywhere in this world to sustain the continuity of our sovereignty.That is embedded in the world history.You want a revolution and there is no room for change that will come by this result, because the change and fight is one of an academic nature, you are a revolusionist without a war, it is sad. You have graduated to fanatical status.

The fish is always caught by the mouth.But yet it takes an experienced fisherman to mount the hook and the bait in order to catch the fish. I grant you that as you have no idea who am I & concluded that I do not deserve respect ,acting like a child & I could care less one way or the other. Are you telling me that the only reason that you are following these restrictions is becoz you are afraid of the retaliations if you speak your mind against them? Analyze your answer very carefully.You confuse fear with tactic and patience . It is the wise warrier who familierizes the opponet to find his weekness and to know his ways.
There is a huge difference between requirements & restrictions. And I believed this is the latter.

This is exactly my point ; since I have no way of reaching all these" wrong hands". I do hope they google me so I can tell them exactly what I think to their faces. Until no one recognizes these restrictions ,they will continue to tighten it up. So where are these people that also think like we do to change your room for change?Once again, your emotions dictate your intellect, you confuse my disagreement that you use terms like Iran's president and so on to prove the validity of your point , I told you this and I will state it again, your analogies to prove your point are off base and detrimental to you and all of us. As my humble father said , make miracles, don't wait for them to come because there is no such thing.Room for change? Or we should make the room ,so the change can happen. Father's logic applied.My God says,Psalm 77:14
You are the God who performs miracles; you display your power among the peoples.( We do not make miracles God does, am not being religious just look up the definition in webster , I choose to give title to what they mean by what they define, T hat is another right I have here in America or is that going to be an issue as well?)
It is not a matter of miracles that will bring about change but a solid rational, intellectual, and unity that will bring about change. In order to unify the people you have to appeal to there desires for change and their ability to formulate intellectual ideas that support the cause. Then implement them according to the desires of the union . Remember in order to be a leader you must first know how to serve. You serve by listening and not fighting.

Fixen, listen to me , in the history of the world , we are the only country that is recorded that throw a dictator for 24 yrs. of silence, without help from anyone from any body, without a single drop of blood wasted on the street, the UN stand & watch us starved & struggle for 24 yrs, the US assisted the dictator , of course, for their own vested interest.We throw out the three biggest US bases in Asia by the courage of the only Congress in the world that has balls to say get out 1990.We managed to do it on our own, I am well aware of the plight of the Philipenes , as I am aware that they provide save havens to those who would seek to destroy the same system of government that you have the right to be here to fight. I personally have no quomes about your country and people , as I have friends that are philipeno and am very found of them.Unless you have an educational backround dare I say a military background here in United States of America and its history as well as an education in diplomacy, everything you say will be held accordingly , that you are a bitter anti-American, that because you see an injustice here in the American system of Dentistry you choose to fight your countries issues and the world's; at the coast of something that has nothing to do with it all. You disgrace your countymen because you use their struggle to fight this struggle here , especially when one has nothing to do with the other. go to the National Archives, search these facts, we are not subservient people, it is in our blood.And what generation took this responsibility to the street ? We are called the Martial Law babies.In Philippine parlance, a "martial law baby" is someone born between 1972 and 1986, during the martial law era under the Marcos administration. Martial law babies form a generation who have grown up in an environment where graft and corruption is rampant, where the police, military, and government are universally distrusted and where free speech and free press are nonexistent.

So what you are saying is, you live in this country, under these conditions? You my friend are wrong !. You have all the rights that you depict yourself not to have by calling yourself a "martial law baby"
So I have a clue of your background & hopefully we can address each other maybe these way. And I came from a little village in the Philippines, no way near elite, like you.You sir, have no idea as to whome I am , I am in a debate with you and only have divulged little as to whom I am. Because once again I do not dispute your motion for change just the way you go about it, it is you however, who have given us a great deal of background as to whom you are , By the by the single most ,used word ,you have used in all this debate has been "I".

I do feel the resistance imposed & the intrusion of US govt in every fiber in our system & throughout the world.The erosion of our global individual rights, these restrictions that they imposed on us is just a bit & pieces of suppression designed to control both us & the majority of US population.The impact of imposing these restrictions is in part to control not only us but the US citizens in general. So here it is , this is your motive and the fuel to your fire and it is for this reason that I would not put my support behind you, you are bitter , and whether you have the validity to some things you say about our great country and its issues, that we are constantly trying to improve, that is not what it is all about . Never once have you stated anything, aside from it is an atrocity, the way we are treated and what we go through, that show you have a grasp on the issues , your motive is way to politically oriented and not from a local or federal level but from a global point. Who are the people affected by these restrictions the most ? Not them,the upper class we are supporting them to be healthy through our taxes.The middle class are crying out loud for the premium of the HMO on the dental services. The people who has no insurance ,the elderly, the sick, the disabled, the single mothers that lives from paycheck to paychek should I go any further more? You combine the middle class & the lower class,this is the 2/3 of the population? Suffering induced by the tyrrany.This is not democracy.You are delusional , we like all countries have or problems but we are among a few countries that have freedoms to change it , nothing happens over night these issue take time, but to say we live in a tyrantical state is just plane out, wrong! and you are sadly misled by your emotions.So don't tell me I am acting like a child.I don't think I have to prove that anymore you do fine on your own, I am not attacking you, as I have said , I am trying to get you to a point of a rational intellectual level, to debate the issue and converse about change , but with you, it is all about emotion and what you don't like and the base of your positions based on global issues and injustices and the UN and so on. You are so far off the mark , I doubt it will hapen , But nevertheless , you won't believe me, but I do respect you and all that you are and what makes you who you are because you and I, regardless of background we are the same and I will continue to think of you as my equal and not my inferior. You have no idea what these part of the society are going through as you said you belong to the elite society.Thanks to your Mom & Dad. I do hope u print out my post & show them to your Mom & Dad. If they may I want to know their opinion, if indeed the restrictions is reasonable from their point of view.
Let me tell you this , all 15 Doctors in my family, excluding my grandfather who, in his own right, was best friends with president Nixon and did more for the Cuban people in Miami then you will ever know, not to mention, spent four years there getting orphans out and putting them into foster homes here in America he was the pioneer of the "PEDRO PAN" do your reaserch you will see. Anyway , all 15 of us lived and graduated from the Dominican Republic and went through the pains of poverty in one form or another ,that is why all of us are heavily involved in some way or another helping the public. So, regardless of our "elite status" here in America, which you are wrong again about, there are many people out there who choose to make a difference, we are those type of people , so you are in debate with the likes of a person who you never thought you would come across, which is ,someone who would force you to change your own thoughts as to what you label me to be. I will never renounse the success of my family or myself. I plan to make a difference here in American Dentisrty the right way and that is to be a servant to the people I treat and the International community that I support and love. Now, unless you drop the emotion and talk to me about solutions and not emotions you and I can work together to make a difference , But I will only share my ideas with you and after I get into the system , and get my diploma or certificate and a master in Public Health, I will throw my hat into the ring with you. You will then know my name which is William Welch Ragone.

So lets stop this babel , agree to disagree and get to the issues. I am all for reform.

BESIDES , IF I EVER SHOWED THIS TO MY PARENTS, I KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD SAY, THEY WOULD SAY ,WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME WITH THIS, GET BACK TO YOUR STUDIES FOR THE NBDE PART2, THEY WOULD SAY IT IS NONSENCE. THEY WOULD SAY THIS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH FTDs WHO GOT NOT SPECIAL TREATMENT. THEY PASSED THEIR BOARDS THE USMLE AND FLEX ,THEY WENT THROUGH RESIDENCY AND NEVER EXPECTED TO BE TREATED DIFFERENT.THEY AALSO BOTH SPECIALIZE IN HELPING THE LESS FORTUNATE.JUST THOUGHT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW.
 
Bill, you show that you do care just by the amount of time you have spent with this thread. Taking you at your word I see that you come from a background steeped in public service. Your parents sound like admirable people. That being said, I think many of us believe that the system is designed to keep the majority out. I see it too in my field of endeavor, the system is devised by those who are within it, and the self-preservation instinct dictates much of the requirements in place. I could give you at least two other examples of where State Board members appear to be there for the most part to ensure that too many professionals in their field don’t “water down” the base. Public safety comes in second. And that is inexplicable! I can truly understand how a person could react on an emotional level. Especially, if after working hard to fulfill the requirements in place there are still non-transparent hoops to jump through. How many of the people on this forum sit in wonder of what admissions at various schools are truly looking for? Are they looking for better scores on part 1 or 2? How much does ones foreign grades factor in? etc. It is because of these things that I would never imply that the system should only be fought from within. I do think that some of Lakambini’s analogies are far-reaching, a bit insulting and some even nutty but what if that nut bring about change? Even if the motivating factor was bitterness what harm done?

Good luck to everyone here, it’s because of you that this forum is truly one of the best resources for FTD’s on them web.
 
Bill, you show that you do care just by the amount of time you have spent with this thread. Taking you at your word I see that you come from a background steeped in public service. Your parents sound like admirable people. That being said, I think many of us believe that the system is designed to keep the majority out. I see it too in my field of endeavor, the system is devised by those who are within it, and the self-preservation instinct dictates much of the requirements in place. I could give you at least two other examples of where State Board members appear to be there for the most part to ensure that too many professionals in their field don’t “water down” the base. Public safety comes in second. And that is inexplicable! I can truly understand how a person could react on an emotional level. Especially, if after working hard to fulfill the requirements in place there are still non-transparent hoops to jump through. How many of the people on this forum sit in wonder of what admissions at various schools are truly looking for? Are they looking for better scores on part 1 or 2? How much does ones foreign grades factor in? etc. It is because of these things that I would never imply that the system should only be fought from within. I do think that some of Lakambini’s analogies are far-reaching, a bit insulting and some even nutty but what if that nut bring about change? Even if the motivating factor was bitterness what harm done?

Good luck to everyone here, it’s because of you that this forum is truly one of the best resources for FTD’s on them web.


tHIS IS WHY THE FORUM EXISTS , TO TAKE THE IDEAS OF OTHERS ,PONDER THEM AND LEARN FROM THEM . I THANK YOU FOR THIS POST AND WOULD LIKE TO SAY I DO AGREE WITH YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST, WELL PUT AND WELL THOUGHT , - BILL
 
It is a fact that all I did ,what I did & why I did it , all came from one head. I did ,why I shouldn't say that I did by myself. If someone will question my idea that is my idea why would involve others .Did I claim that my ideas are the greatest?So if somebody thinks these ideas are crazy/nutty at least I can take responsibilty for it. I criticized a Judge for the same reason becoz he is not the only judge that made the decision ,so I know what you mean, this is not it. If someone helped me formulate what are these changes , why wouldn't I say so . It is.. what it is. There's alot of PM from this forum that send me their ideas . Maybe it is irrational to you but had I not start these thread which so many people feel they are not alone feeling suppressed. We will not be talking about it don't we? " Shove it under the rug" as they always say.I was so happy to find this forum coz I know these are the only people that I can connect & who could understand me. Yes, my examples are extremes , becoz I have been analyzing this from the global point of view. Did I not say it in my first post that ,this is in a small scale the same restrictions that the people in other countries have no say in the UN or aBOUT i RAQ,& SO & SO FORTH .Becoz the bottom line of it is, power & control.We will be breaking the monopoly in Dentistry. Competition. They are afraid of us getting in the system ,becoz in us they can see massive change in their pocketbooks.Am I too emotional again? The cost of dental services that the ADA guidelines imposed is way too high, do you think American are stupid, a lot of them come to my country to get their teeth fixed. What is my point here. When the majority of the population find this out since there is no way for them of knowing it, becoz most of them DON'T TRAVEL & are living from paycheck to paycheck,what do you think they are going to do? We on the other hand that knows that these kind of fraudulent practices exist don't say nothing about it. This is the one I am most pissed about. I am not only talking the repression in our profession , our profession is only bits & pieces of the big apple pie. The other night on C Span I saw another suppression in the media industry. During the Federal Communications Commission held a public hearing on the topic that our media these days are controlled by only 6 networks. Its all about ratings , even the truth has to be twisted they have to do otherwise they are going to be fired.In these 6 networks ,everybody is under their umbrella . All organizations from all walks of life is there , but the one that counts the most are the media organizations in itself. Those who run the camera, the scritpwriters,the radio announcers ,those that are doing the main job are begging the FCC to remove the ownership of these 6 networks who also are related to each other, that once you are fired ,admit it that your career is done, to establish a control on how much networks one person can have. In other words ,some people wants to have their own pieces & don't have to compete with this giant networks. I believed we are dealing with the same giant "networks" that also controlled the FCC.I may sound off based but I am convinced that suppression exist in every part of the society.When the media is suppressed , the cornerstones of the free society is gone".
Being emotional is part of being a living species.My brain works better when I am emotional its like football there is an adrenaline rushing .In this society I know you are suppose to be rational & calm all the time.When you show anger that is not a professional way. If you cry, you are weak. If you resist you must be a terrorist. Well my blood is my blood ,its nothing wrong with it.Isn't that ironic that most people that PM me are from the middle East,maybe I am a terrorist.I am confused. Hey Fixen , I am not a Sir.Should I call you that M word since you assume that I am a he?
Mga Kabagang nasaan ba kayo.........

In Talmud says that the pain & suffering of other animals is no difference from the pain & suffering of any man becoz the love & tenderness in each other is produced not by reasoning ,but by feeling & these faculty exists not only in man but on most living things.
 
Lakambini19 ,

Someone once told me problems exist because there are solutions to it !! Think positive think big, I am sure there are solutions to all this, if we put pack away our emotions for a while, we can find solutions together.WE deserve a better world a better tommorrom, lets do something about it.WE can all work together find solutions to these problems.Lets be more logical than emotional and work towards it.👍
 
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PHP]Why do we need to follow what their policy say on everything. Can't anyone see the futility of these requirements? They make these policies long time ago when slavery is still legal & shove it on our throat. What is also surprising to me is the compliance we do.I do think in a smaller scale the Iranian President is correct on how the UN has no voice at the Security Council at all.Most leaders are compliant.

Are they saying that our knowledge is not good enough for the American public? We are already licensed in our country , is that mean our people are guinea pigs or are they insinuating that they deserve better & our people are only second class to them? When do you say that knowledge is good enough for the American public ,that right now is in crisis , you think little treatment is better than no treatment at all? .That is why we have continuing ed.I have the opprotunity to see their work, most of them are crooks. I think we are even more qualified as we know the basics,for them without the amalgamator they are lost[/PHP

"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless
minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.." - Samuel Adams

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is
striking at the root." -- Henry David Thoreau

Let us go back to my first post. We don't connect bcoz I see this problem in global lens ,as our restrictions in Dentistry ,is only a part of the world's reppressive order to those who are vulnerable & incapable. I know it is extremely hard to change the system , I have this fight for a long time, But interesting to let you know that it is working by telling the American people what it is. In NH it is so close that this is going to happen .Talk , & talk to people , especially the legislators. They are the ones who have the power to override the State's Board. Ask them to allow FTD's to be on community based clinic as our ticket to licensure. In my State's it is so restrictive that cannot even tell people that you are a dentist. But now is changed.
I am by myself here ,all my colleagues are in CA in FLA. So I am doing this alone for Christs sake. There is a class action lawsuit that was litigated since 1999 : Hawkins et, al v. Commissioner DHHs NH. This class action suit costs the taxpayers almost 30M $ in litigation fees. Both sides win or lose,the State which is the taxpayers money,have to pay them both. Most legislators does not know about it.I research the whole entire case & told every legislator about the intensity of this lawsuit. This is a group of Mothers led by Cassandra Hawkins suing the NH DHHS for not providing dental services to their children. It is only during this lawsuit that the DHHS starts to communicate again with me. I knew it since 1998 that there is a shortage of Dentists iin this country. Most especially the NE region. How did I know that? I was a member of the dental task force for fluoridation in our city. We go around the States & look for data that will prove to the people that the incorporaTION of Fluoride in our drinking H2o is a part & parcel for the program of prevention.We gather reports from the feds the statistics of the Dentists/population ratio.Back then is almost 300/dentists,now it is 900+/ Dentists . So back then it is already in my mind that this is going to be a crisis very soon. It was too soon enough that the Hawkins case evolve in 1999.

I don't know all the answer to address this crisis right now . When the DHHS got defeated the Committee of the House on Health & Human Services got the NH Dental Board to answer this question: WHY?

I saw another case similar to this in Maine & Texas. It takes so much time to find out these cases. You might find them by google but it is hard to know the whole background. Luckily enough I am close to the National Archives in Mass to research it , then timewise is too consuming.6 boxes of documents ,but I enjoy the reseach part so I didn't mind it.Likewise if you can keep track on what is going on your respective States, by asking the Legal Assistance or any legal organizations that helping the poor , one like this you will find out. This is not printed in the news nor on TV as I know now what I don't know then, that these networks are in cohoots with the Courts. We are also in a battle of reform of the family courts, the reppression is also rampant in this aspects of our society.I am sure you know the shows on pedophiliacs, they show these types of news but the pedphiles who do their own children don't catch the camera. WHY?Ask the Association of Wrtiters in America. They are there at the meeting with the FCC.Why these children has no voice in our society? Me ,personally is heavily involved in this cause.Dentistry is only second. If you think that I am irrate as you think I am in this board, you haven't seen the most irrate creatures in the world.
Every year all over the US, mothers in general like me gather in NY to talk about this problem of our US Courts system.You don't take the baby bear away from a mother bear coz you know what is going to happen. The saying in Talmud I share to you is part of our mantra, not that we are all Jewish but that connects us all.The love & tenderness is not dictated by reasoning but by feeling as this love is both shared by man & by any living species.
 
I don't have the energy to read all the posts above. But you keep mentioning there is a "shortage of dentists." As far as I know, the only shortages exist in rural areas, basically in places few people want to live. There are plenty of dentists in the cities leading to competition for business. What makes you think that by easing the pathways to licensure for foreign dentists, the dentists will actually practice where they are needed (rural areas) versus where they want to live (urban/suburban areas)?
 
Hi L.

You are sooo right with everything!!
I admire you because you stand up for your beliefs!
 
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I don't have the energy to read all the posts above. But you keep mentioning there is a "shortage of dentists." As far as I know, the only shortages exist in rural areas, basically in places few people want to live. There are plenty of dentists in the cities leading to competition for business. What makes you think that by easing the pathways to licensure for foreign dentists, the dentists will actually practice where they are needed (rural areas) versus where they want to live (urban/suburban areas)?
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You got that right bordie. There are so much rural areas that needed us. This is the perfect time to serve the underserved & the poor along with it is our ticket to licensure. I like them to remove these restrictions & replace it with something comprehensive like this; they would require us to practice for 2months ,2yrs, or 200 yrs whatever is fair to individually. Let us negotiate with the US Dept of Health & human Services. After you are done with these requirements you have now the choice to stay or not stay but you have your license with you. Instead of studying again the Osmosis, the Krebs cycle etc..etc..And the flow of FTD's will continue to be in demand for that reason.FTD's right now has no choice but to follow the g........mn restrictions imposed by the State's board. This is the State's board restrictions ,why? As I said we are a threat to their pocketbooks. AS there are monopolization in every fiber of the system , we are not an exception. But we have two hands ,one we can use as iron hand & the other one we can use to salute them. We have an option here becoz the population needed us. If they don't ,you can best believe that they could gave two ..........about us.

Right now they think that we are all compliant no one has the balls to squeal. One size fits all. They think they got us nice & easy.But becoz of the crisis they are facing , Minnesota did something that pointed out the need of us. Do you think they do this bcoz we are welcome there? I don't think so. It is out of necessity that we are called there.

Regarding the TOEFL , if criminals are allowed to have interpreters in every trial ,what is wrong with us. Our knowledge cannot /should not be measured on English language per se even for just 1% . Mouth are mouth . Teeth are teeth.What is the difference of the teeth of the Asian & Russian & European or a Filipino? NADA.Most hospitals have interpreters nowadays. In alternative let us decide maybe our practice will only be limited to our own language community. This is so despicable .

One comments that I like to address here is the one that says " we decide to come to their country so we have to follow their rules whether their rules is whimsical or otherwise". The Abu Graib is a good example for you to know that many people are very disturb that this kind of things happen in our country.

I am going to the Yankee Dental Congress in Boston 2007 ( hope not sick) whoever wants to address this issue , we can talk & brainstorm what is a good action plan that is both good for the goose & the gander.Keep studying while we are in the process of formulating our action & demands. Thanks for the replies,attack are welcome .The more we can have constructive criticism the better we can address the problem. Again ,many thanx

Li
 
I'm quite troubled by the analogy you used to compare dental professionals to criminals to justify the use of interpreter for patient treatment. Sure, teeth are teeth, but the modern dentistry treats a patient as a whole, not separate from his/or her teeth. If your English is not quite good enough to carry out a clear communication between your patient and yourself (bad enough to require an interperter) then I think you should not practice (until you can reach the minimal standards).

The State Boards are there for many things like you mentioned, however, one of them is the "protection of the public". The State Boards are supposed to "protect" a patient from practitioners who do not meet the State's minimal requirements.

The ability to convey your instructions/diagnosis to your patient is paramount in modern day dentistry. The dentist needs to be able to communicate at all levels with his or her patient.

Relying on an interpreter to convey your meaning is totally ridiculuous and the entire U.S. population will lose their trust in the dental profession once the interpreters do the work for the dentists.

Feel free to flame, but I write this as a FTD who had gone through the US dental system, a postgraduate school and a specialty program. I know the difficulty and challenges that face ALL immigrants who come to the US. Just because you were a big time dentist at home, doesn't automatically give you a right to demand the right to a ticket to licensure (regardless of how many years of restrictions) to the State board.
 
What I can't figure out is where all the OP's sanctimony is coming from.

If you think the US system is so screwed up, stay and practice where you're already licensed. To keep trying to get in while you're ranting & raving like this makes me think your whole manifesto here is just sour grapes over being unable to meet the standards.
 
I'm quite troubled by the analogy you used to compare dental professionals to criminals is to justify the use of interpreter for patient treatment. Sure, teeth are teeth, but the modern dentistry treats a patient as a whole, not separate from his/or her teeth. If your English is not quite good enough to carry out a clear communication between your patient and yourself (bad enough to require an interperter) then I think you should not practice (until you can reach the minimal standards).
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Don'tyou know that most hospitals these days has every language interpreters? If I make that contrast that criminals are able to hire interpreters what is wrong in applying it to us? It is extreme comparison but the point I am trying to get across ,is there.
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The State Boards are there for many things like you mentioned, however, one of them is the "protection of the public". The State Boards are supposed to "protect" a patient from practitioners who do not meet the State's minimal requirements.

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In a skeptical view I really doubt that the State's Boards priority is the public interest more than their pocketbooks. Considering the crisis in many areas today ,they don't care.
Remember the Boards are all have their own practice too. We are a competitor,that means massive change in their pocketbooks, if they let us in,don't you get that?This is the wall that we need to bring down but so far no one is doing this.NATO (No Action,Talk Only) But I can't do it alone ,it will take my lifetime to fullfill the cause.
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The ability to convey your instructions/diagnosis to your patient is paramount in modern day dentistry. The dentist needs to be able to communicate at all levels with his or her patient.
_________________________________________________________________Agree. Interpreters can help. If the Accused (until) proven guilty , thier lives is in the hands of the Courts & the interpreters.
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Relying on an interpreter to convey your meaning is totally ridiculuous and the entire U.S. population will lose their trust in the dental profession once the interpreters do the work for the dentists.
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I haven't heard that the public lost their trust to the Courts bcoz of interpreters,on the other hand why would corporations, hospitals are employing interpreters?
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Feel free to flame, but I write this as a FTD who had gone through the US dental system, a postgraduate school and a specialty program. I know the difficulty and challenges that face ALL immigrants who come to the US.

Just because you were a big time dentist at home, doesn't automatically give you a right to demand the right to a ticket to licensure (regardless of how many years of restrictions) to the State board.[/Q__________________________________________________________

I can see that there are no meeting of the minds here. You guys are putting an offense without basis. I am no different than you, what I questioned is the futility of these restrictions.How many years that women are not allowed to vote? It is a restrictions for women in US history just like us now.One day they realized that this is not fair so they start demanding for women suffrage to end.Only 3 women who really stood up & claim these rights as by nature men are compliant. Now we can vote becoz of these 3women.
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I hope I have illuminated some of your confusion. PLease understand that I am not posting it here for any reason but to gather your comments & attention as to the problem our profession is longing for a resolve.

Good day
 
What I can't figure out is where all the OP's sanctimony is coming from.

If you think the US system is so screwed up, stay and practice where you're already licensed. To keep trying to get in while you're ranting & raving like this makes me think your whole manifesto here is just sour grapes over being unable to meet the standards.

I allow you to say anything in your mind, I don't mind. If I know then what I know now, you bet ya, I sm out of here longgggggggg time ago. But I have a responsiblity here that I cannot abandoned. You can think all you want , I don't mind. You have no clue who I am , why you are not capable to give me the benefit of the doubt, jumping to the conclusion that I am incapable to meet the restrictions that I detest? You make me laugh.You are just kidding right? Does it makes you feel better when you can put somebody down? My guess is just as good as yours.

I do not lower myself to no one including Judges just becoz it happens that my diploma came from above the equator.

Let us leave it on that premise.
 
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Don'tyou know that most hospitals these days has every language interpreters? If I make that contrast that criminals are able to hire interpreters what is wrong in applying it to us? It is extreme comparison but the point I am trying to get across ,is there.
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I can see that there are no meeting of the minds here. You guys are putting an offense without basis. I am no different than you, what I questioned is the futility of these restrictions.How many years that women are not allowed to vote? It is a restrictions for women in US history just like us now.One day they realized that this is not fair so they start demanding for women suffrage to end.Only 3 women who really stood up & claim these rights as by nature men are compliant. Now we can vote becoz of these 3women.
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1. Do you really think people will buy the idea of the public tax payers' money going into "supporting" a foreign dentist on a limited license with his or her sub-par level of English command? Or, would you want the dentist to charge the patient a little extra so that the newly arrived dentist can hire an interpretor? I suppose you will then say that in your state (NH) that it's the State's responsibility? It almost sounds like that the State was at fault of importing these Foreign trained dentists?

2. In regards to your last comment regarding woman's suffrage issues... practicing dentistry is a privilege, NOT a right. Nobody in the US is unfairly treated that they are unable to practice dentistry. Oh, wait, you mean the foreign trained dentists? The privilege will come once you've earned it, NOT from legal actions and demands to the State.

The truth is that I have met many many excellent foreign trained dentists whose first language was not English and they still managed to get a State dental license in the US. It might have taken a little longer, but they all got there. The challenges and the difficulties made them a better dentist (we all agree) and we wouldn't change it for anything. Occasionally, I have come across a few who militantly challenge the issue of licensure from a FTD point-of-view, but they burn out - fast.

The best way that a FTD can get a license in the US is (in order of ease, my opinion):

1. Complete a general dentistry residency (24 months) and then seek out the States that would accept your supplemental training in lieu of ADA-accreditted dental school completion. You will have to check which states would allow that.

2. Complete an advanced standing program in the shortest time possible.

3. Complete a specialty residency (24-36 months) and then seek out the States that would accept your supplemental traininig in lieu of ADA-accreditted dental school completion. Again, you will have to check which states would allow that.

4. If you cannot simply move to the state that can accept your additional training, then you can at least get an educators license and teach and hopefully practice intramurally within the University setting.

5. I know that in Maryland, if you complete a pediatric dentistry residency, once you complete the program and you apply for a pediatric dentistry fellowship (paid), you will be given Maryland-only general dental license. You still would need to pass the NERBs though...

I know you mean well and that you are concerned about the oral health issues in NH (including all those rural areas with shortages of dentists). But this isn't going to be solved by "importing" more dentists who aren't just ready yet (too much culture shock). Instead, the States and the educators should focus and try to lure the young and the recent graduates to the rural area with loan forgiveness and tuition remission programs etc. "Imported" FTD dentists, once they fulfill their terms, will simply move on and the rural areas will be faced with similar situation once again. We need to BREAK the cycle (of dental shortage), NOT feed it.

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1. Do you really think people will buy the idea of the public tax payers' money going into "supporting" a foreign dentist on a limited license with his or her sub-par level of English command? Or, would you want the dentist to charge the patient a little extra so that the newly arrived dentist can hire an interpretor? I suppose you will then say that in your state (NH) that it's the State's responsibility? It almost sounds like that the State was at fault of importing these Foreign trained dentists?


2. In regards to your last comment regarding woman's suffrage issues... practicing dentistry is a privilege, NOT a right. Nobody in the US is unfairly treated that they are unable to practice dentistry. Oh, wait, you mean the foreign trained dentists? The privilege will come once you've earned it, NOT from legal actions and demands to the State.

The truth is that I have met many many excellent foreign trained dentists whose first language was not English and they still managed to get a State dental license in the US. It might have taken a little longer, but they all got there. The challenges and the difficulties made them a better dentist (we all agree) and we wouldn't change it for anything. Occasionally, I have come across a few who militantly challenge the issue of licensure from a FTD point-of-view, but they burn out - fast.

The best way that a FTD can get a license in the US is (in order of ease, my opinion):

1. Complete a general dentistry residency (24 months) and then seek out the States that would accept your supplemental training in lieu of ADA-accreditted dental school completion. You will have to check which states would allow that.

2. Complete an advanced standing program in the shortest time possible.

3. Complete a specialty residency (24-36 months) and then seek out the States that would accept your supplemental traininig in lieu of ADA-accreditted dental school completion. Again, you will have to check which states would allow that.

4. If you cannot simply move to the state that can accept your additional training, then you can at least get an educators license and teach and hopefully practice intramurally within the University setting.

5. I know that in Maryland, if you complete a pediatric dentistry residency, once you complete the program and you apply for a pediatric dentistry fellowship (paid), you will be given Maryland-only general dental license. You still would need to pass the NERBs though...

I know you mean well and that you are concerned about the oral health issues in NH (including all those rural areas with shortages of dentists). But this isn't going to be solved by "importing" more dentists who aren't just ready yet (too much culture shock). Instead, the States and the educators should focus and try to lure the young and the recent graduates to the rural area with loan forgiveness and tuition remission programs etc. "Imported" FTD dentists, once they fulfill their terms, will simply move on and the rural areas will be faced with similar situation once again. We need to BREAK the cycle (of dental shortage), NOT feed it.

👍 😴
 
1. Do you really think people will buy the idea of the public tax payers' money going into "supporting" a foreign dentist on a limited license with his or her sub-par level of English command? Or, would you want the dentist to charge the patient a little extra so that the newly arrived dentist can hire an interpretor? I suppose you will then say that in your state (NH) that it's the State's responsibility? It almost sounds like that the State was at fault of importing these Foreign trained dentists?
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Yes this is the situation here.We already talked to the legislators & senators & the executive council on this issue. In Our State will always have a shortage ,you know why?We are in the bondocks of tralala land,as you said when dentists get their license ,they are gone, it will be the same with a tuition incentive program. We talked about it in our meeting, same thing happens.When the lawsuit came in 1999 the HN taxpayers are outraged,30M the losses.So it is the responsibility of the State to bring oral health to the people.The NH Medicaid covers all dental services for 18 & below.The adults on Medicaid & Medicare only get a little prevention & emergency tx. But here I say it again ,even the middle class that have dental ins ,them too are screaming for high premiums. Almost if you add the middle class + the uninsured+ the people on medicare+medicaid =? That is a conservative estimate of 2/3 of the population. And I can bet you with my right arm that this is the case all over rural areas in the US e.g. WI,ID,SD,MN, RI,CT, VT & so on. Both the State & the Feds are both responsible in any way ,shape or form to deliver these services to the people. IF the State is not responsible to the people what right that these people have to sue the State? The people has the right to receives these services. In the class action lawsuit it was mentioned from the CDC that this crisis right now poses an imminent health danger to these part of the population. This is very very serious matter ,this is health we are talking about here.
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2. In regards to your last comment regarding woman's suffrage issues... practicing dentistry is a privilege, NOT a right. Nobody in the US is unfairly treated that they are unable to practice dentistry. Oh, wait, you mean the foreign trained dentists? The privilege will come once you've earned it, NOT from legal actions and demands to the State.

Women suffrage . Now it is a right but before it is nothing ,it is not even an issue. Yes dental practice is a privilege. In this instance , the State is facing the question of privelege v. rights of the people.
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The truth is that I have met many many excellent foreign trained dentists whose first language was not English and they still managed to get a State dental license in the US. It might have taken a little longer, but they all got there. The challenges and the difficulties made them a better dentist (we all agree) and we wouldn't change it for anything. Occasionally, I have come across a few who militantly challenge the issue of licensure from a FTD point-of-view, but they burn out - fast.

They have my hats down, very few realize that there is an underlying power & control operating under these restrictions. Money.This is the other option I ( (since I am by myself & I have only one brain ) )think will be an alternative
FTD's should goes to the route of dental insurance. Many dental insurances will see these for their own interest will buy this concept & lobby in DC.
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The best way that a FTD can get a license in the US is (in order of ease, my opinion):

1. Complete a general dentistry residency (24 months) and then seek out the States that would accept your supplemental training in lieu of ADA-accreditted dental school completion. You will have to check which states would allow that.

2. Complete an advanced standing program in the shortest time possible.

3. Complete a specialty residency (24-36 months) and then seek out the States that would accept your supplemental traininig in lieu of ADA-accreditted dental school completion. Again, you will have to check which states would allow that.

4. If you cannot simply move to the state that can accept your additional training, then you can at least get an educators license and teach and hopefully practice intramurally within the University setting.

5. I know that in Maryland, if you complete a pediatric dentistry residency, once you complete the program and you apply for a pediatric dentistry fellowship (paid), you will be given Maryland-only general dental license. You still would need to pass the NERBs though...

I know you mean well and that you are concerned about the oral health issues in NH (including all those rural areas with shortages of dentists). But this isn't going to be solved by "importing" more dentists who aren't just ready yet (too much culture shock). Instead, the States and the educators should focus and try to lure the young and the recent graduates to the rural area with loan forgiveness and tuition remission programs etc. "Imported" FTD dentists, once they fulfill their terms, will simply move on and the rural areas will be faced with similar situation once again. We need to BREAK the cycle (of dental shortage), NOT feed it.
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Yes ,this is what MN is facing right now & that is why they are closing it next year. What makes you think that non FTDs will not do the same with the tuition incentive program, do you think dentists will not move on too? The people are the ones who are suffering the most. As far as I am concerned this problem was there even in the 80's maybe beyond . How did I know that . I saw lawsuits & lawsuits on the records from way back then, all if not most are related to each other. Actually that class action lawsuit of the People of NH v.NH Commissioner ,has a predecessor that just expired in 1999.I saw 6 individual lawsuits in Maine alone for the same reason.Also way back in 1996 , we have the NH task force for Fluoridation & I happen to be one of the memebers, an static back then was presented to us from the CDC that there were shortage in every State rural areas back then. Don't think about us , think about the people.They pay their taxes hoping that when they needed it they are ready ,guess what , they are started to know it now. They are the ones who are suffering the most. This is also infected in our military.

I know a lot of people FTD's / non FTDs is trying to take this advantage of the pile of money they are going to rake. I will not let that happen to my State. We will make sure they pay us their dues before they kick us in the ass.

We all should think of our Oath to the People, not the govt. ,we owe this to them. I could care s....less about FTds I know, not all of them ,but some are just here for the money. Tell you this Massachussetts just pass a law last year that all Mass residents have medical & dental coverage free. This will have a massive impact on the surrounding States ,both people & health care professionals will be converging in Mass. More shortage again..............

O by the way we got defeated in the ballots about the Fluoridation why? The NH Dental Society we found out later on went against us. I know one of the dentists on that Task force , said " if that is the case why don't we put Prozac too in our drinkng water. What an ass.
 
I allow you to say anything in your mind, I don't mind. If I know then what I know now, you bet ya, I sm out of here longgggggggg time ago. But I have a responsiblity here that I cannot abandoned. You can think all you want , I don't mind. You have no clue who I am , why you are not capable to give me the benefit of the doubt, jumping to the conclusion that I am incapable to meet the restrictions that I detest? You make me laugh.You are just kidding right? Does it makes you feel better when you can put somebody down? My guess is just as good as yours.

I do not lower myself to no one including Judges just becoz it happens that my diploma came from above the equator.

Let us leave it on that premise.

...huh?

Your logic & English alike defy comprehension.
 
hi guys,
everybudy needs to relax here and not be too emotional and provoked by futile words!!lakhambini is just one of us and is up for a good cause.he might have made some remarks which we do not agree with and some were infuriating(i agree with you bill), but lets not deviate from the main issue addressed here.
if we look at medical doctors, engineers and other professionals who immigrate to US, their transition here is much easier than foreign trained dentists.
no doubt things are harder for a foreign trained dentist than for other professionals, and there is room for a change.it is very expensive to get into an advanced standing program and is highly competitve too ,but some states have already made provisions to issue licenses to those with a residency trainings or speciality training, thanks to bluetooth for listing it, there is maryland, minnesota,virginia ,new hampshire(?), (guys please check this incomplete list thoroughly before holding me agianst it, it is just a random mention, not a reliable listing)
there needs to be some changes for sure, like reducing the tuition fee probably, or making loans more conducive, the programs shorter,instead of 2-3 yrs, maybe like 1-2 yrs........having more seats,more help with loans and more states giving out license to people with residencies or other requirements
also those foreign dentists willing to settle permanently in rural areas or other challenged areas with demand for a dentist and serve people there should be given some more advantages, maybe shorter education permitted, a restricted license to work only in rural areas........so that the poor can benefit and the foreign dentists can benefit by going through a more easier path for licensing.
lakhambini is up for a good cause and unlike most of us has made some evident efforts on a big scale to bring a change that all foreign dentists could benefit from.I urge lakhambini not to use provocative words and ideas so that all of us can support him,agree with him on most things and do somthing constructive about this issue.
guys, i have tried to be very polite and humble on my suggestions and if anyone feels challanged by anything, please restrain yourself from sending me a pm, thanks
 
Very well said Godbless. Your point is understood and should shed some light to the issues that affect us. I would also like to state that since my last reply to Lambiki(sp), I would like to compliment her/him on how you have articulated your points. They are easier to read with less emotion. The change is clear, I know that you (Lam ) don't care for our opinions when they are personalized to you , but non the less there is an improvement , I don't speak for all but I am eager to read what you have to say when you state your thoughts in a more civil mannor. I would also join Godbless in saying that as an American and A FTD I do appreciate your work in what you do for us as a community. My beliefes are still the same as stated above in my posts , but I continue to support you and any one else here in ourcommunity that supports the International Dental community as a total body.

I would also challenge anyone who cou ld explain what Godbless said , I f you look at Medicine as a Ftds and what they have to do to get in the system and then you compare that against Dental FTDs , it absolutly makes no sence . FTDs who are Mds all they have to do is pass the USMLE parts and then off to residency they go and that system was set forth that way because of the continual need for doctors in the USA. I know this because there are 14 FTD Mds in my family and a few of them are on the highest levels of medicine in Amewrica and when I talk to them they say the same thing over and over that our system is completly wrong and needs to be revamped. They say this because Medicine is life and death every day when yoou get to residency and Dental residensy is not. That is just one small point among many.

I however agree partly with the way things are here in America and Dental FTDS we do need to do a residency regardless of backround it is only fair , fair for the Doctor Fair for the graduate and fair for the system. But to pay 100000s of 1000s to work to make the university 1000s of dollars is in my view unfair . Again I will state clearly that we should and need to complete a program that centers around the nessasary skills needed to provide that best oral care as well as make us exceptional Doctor of the future. I believe that the key to this is the rual area and the less fortunate. We should all be grateful to be here and achive what will be a very bright and rewarding future.

Thank you Godbess for your imput it was well put.


p.s. I am sitting in JFK airport ready to go to my interview for tues. morning. Thank you all for your support and I will post my experience on Wed.
Your Friend-Bill
 
THANKS BILL,
for your support, i also wanna say to everyone that we should work on this front in unity and with composure, mind our words, stick to the real issues. and at the same time keep studying, improving scores, applying to schools and programs and boards for whatever program we deem good for us,not waste time, coz time never comes back!!do not wait for amendments in the system, keep moving ahead, but at the same time put in your effort towards the same even if u get in and your fight is over personally.
 
I could not agree more . well said , especially for the first time I sat with 19 other FTDs at the Rochester interview and we spoke extensively on this issue and collectively we agreed the same . They also agreed about my point , if you want to make change and be taking seriously you need to get the credentials to do it. It is the right way to accomplish the goals we have to help the FTD community out. I also told this to my interviewers to get their reaction and they seemed supportive because I told them that even though I am a red blooded American I am not here to get a LIC. to drive around in a fancy car and have a big house. I was here to utilize what the program and University had to offer to help me help others to make positive change, and that would only come from me attaining a LIC. to practice and a Masters in MPH (masters in public heath) so I can teach , work publicly on the issues and also practice part time. So I agree with Godbless, stay the course get it done and then throw your hat into the arena, I should also say the we also need people like Lambiki (sp) to keep the issue alive so that when we achieve the credentials to support the cause we will be able to do so ,more effectively. If you want to read my interview experience for U of Rochester I will post my thoughts and views later today on my other post about Rochester.
Your friend
Bill
 
i have been following this thread and i am glad that there are people who think like in these issues. iwas telling my friends the same thing. but a change can only happen when you are part of the system. hope our thoughts can be put into action for us as well as the future generation to come.
congradulations godbless you got into uic
i am sure you will get it in rochester bill
 
I open this thread so people who feel so alone feeling this way knows that there are people who has burning desire to help us get out in this rot. Maybe I was too hostile in my words in my previous posts but those came from the injustice I felt through & through especially depriving us our rights in pursuit of happiness.Today I research a lot of sites to find if there is/was any class action lawsuit in the past or currently relative to our situation & I found plenty. I actually find a class action lawsuit against ADA or any State Board of FLA for this matter. The ground is the Antitrust Law. I think these restrictions are violating the US Antitrust law.In my State alone 12 members of the Board ,10 are dentists, 1 DH,& 1 from public . What is the quorum?

It would take at least 3 people to qualify a class action lawsuit.We need to remove these authority out of the hands of our senior colleagues or we will continue to go through these stupid restristions endlessly.We have to get this authority out to the hands of our lawmakers. I was amazed when I found a case similar to us , & they also call it restrictions.Many of you probably needs to know what is an Anti trust Law is. This is a law that prohibits any entity/person/company/associations/corporation from attempting or monopolizing a certain services or product in the market. In our case our product is our services professionally.

I apologize if I offended anybody for my previous posts ,it is not meant that way, I just unload what is have to be said & go from there.

Alaska has open a different avenue to get around these ADA crap. The ADA is suing the Native American TRibal community & I am so happy to see that somehow there people who has the balls to stood up to this corporates /ADA. I am so proud of them. Google Native Americans Tribal Consortium .THe ADA is claiming thta they need to make sure that the public is safe.....what abunch of crap. For almost 10 yrs of waiting that the ADA will rescue them , they only act when they saw the monopolization is coming to an end so they offer the Natives free this & that . The Natives held a press conference that they are not buying anything from ADA, So let us watch what is going next. Very imteresting. They also offer different programs to students & I mentioned FTds. It is under US Indian Affairs this is all over the country & they are recruiting right now.
 
Hi
I called NH state dental board to enquire about getting liscence to practice in NH after completing 24 months residency in general dentistry . But the lady there told me that we don't have such a rule, you have to have DMD/ DDS degree.
 
It is only passed the Senate this Jan.7 due to the lawsuits. It is not posted on the website. You have to write a letter to the NH Dental Board. Its like you are presenting a case in Court. If I can find the bill I will post it here. They changed from the graduate of accredited school to a residency program. Even public health program as they did not specify what kind of program. The Executive secretary is not a dentist so he knows nothing about what is going on.Send a letter directly to the Board ,this is under study ,they still have the discretion to admit you or reject you.

I don't know if you notice about our website.There is no way you can email the Board members individually. Except thru written correspondence.
 
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