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[Chibucks15]

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Why is it that everyone feels the need to constantly take a dump on our profession? Just to complain?


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[theseeker4]

Why is it that everyone feels the need to constantly take a dump on our profession? Just to complain?


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You talking about from inside, or outside? If you mean fellow students and doctors, basically because it is a demanding job with increasing intrusion from outsiders telling us how we have to do our jobs, constant threat of being sued by those we are trying to help, and constant attacks on us and our profession from patients, family members of patients, the media, and the public in general.

If you mean why from outsiders, it is because physicians are seen as being "overpaid", we are the most highly educated individuals most patients ever actually see in person which can cause insecurity and hostility in some people, people feel entitled to get healthcare for free and so having to pay something for care, more specifically us expecting to be paid for our services, causes great hostility on the part of some patients.

 

[Chibucks15]

You talking about from inside, or outside? If you mean fellow students and doctors, basically because it is a demanding job with increasing intrusion from outsiders telling us how we have to do our jobs, constant threat of being sued by those we are trying to help, and constant attacks on us and our profession from patients, family members of patients, the media, and the public in general.

If you mean why from outsiders, it is because physicians are seen as being "overpaid", we are the most highly educated individuals most patients ever actually see in person which can cause insecurity and hostility in some people, people feel entitled to get healthcare for free and so having to pay something for care, more specifically us expecting to be paid for our services, causes great hostility on the part of some patients.

That was such a complete answer I have no reply but thanks haha

 

[GaStu1994]

You talking about from inside, or outside? If you mean fellow students and doctors, basically because it is a demanding job with increasing intrusion from outsiders telling us how we have to do our jobs, constant threat of being sued by those we are trying to help, and constant attacks on us and our profession from patients, family members of patients, the media, and the public in general.

If you mean why from outsiders, it is because physicians are seen as being "overpaid", we are the most highly educated individuals most patients ever actually see in person which can cause insecurity and hostility in some people, people feel entitled to get healthcare for free and so having to pay something for care, more specifically us expecting to be paid for our services, causes great hostility on the part of some patients.

Beautifully said. This should be framed.

 

[Goro]

Americans love their doctors, except when they get their bills. Compare that to lawyers. Or politicians!

Why is it that everyone feels the need to constantly take a dump on our profession? Just to complain?


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[Stagg737]

Americans love their doctors, except when they get their bills. Compare that to lawyers. Or politicians!

Yes, but unlike lawyers and politicians physicians actually do something useful and provide a useful service to society...

 

[SunsFun]

I blame the rise of anti-intellectualism. There has been this trend in some circles to perceive educated individual as "elitist" and lacking "common sense".


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[cryhavoc]

I was told by a relative that doctors are just greedy for money. That they should just give away their services for free. When I asked him how the procedures would be paid for to work without money, from equipment, to energy, he had no answer. When I asked why he didn't do his own job for free, he told me he had bills to pay.

When I said that doctors have bills too and a lot of debt, he said they still made too much.

I then asked if he would be willing to go to school/training for 12 years to do his profession? He said no but he didn't have to. I asked him if he'd be willing to sacrifice all of his free time and double his work schedule? He said no.

I asked him who helped save his life when he got into an accident and if just anyone would have been able to do it?

I don't think my questions swayed him, but I came to the conclusion that people like this are irrational and don't understand how hard and how much self-sacrifice goes into our career. And don't realize what life is going to be like as there are more and more shortages. Or what it would be like if we didn't exist at all.

All a lack of perspective. There are people to be mad at in healthcare, but I don't think it should be the doctors and nurses.

 

[Goro]

My point exactly, Stagg.

Q: Why don't sharks eat lawyers?
A: Professional courtesy


Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
Mark Twain

There is no native criminal class except Congress.
Mark Twain

Yes, but unlike lawyers and politicians physicians actually do something useful and provide a useful service to society...

 

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[GH253]

If you mean why from outsiders, it is because physicians are seen as being "overpaid", we are the most highly educated individuals most patients ever actually see in person which can cause insecurity and hostility in some people, people feel entitled to get healthcare for free and so having to pay something for care, more specifically us expecting to be paid for our services, causes great hostility on the part of some patients.

People don't like doctors because they know (judging from their experiences as patients) that the quality of modern medical education is poor, yet because MDs hold a government-granted monopoly on the field of medicine, patients have no choice put to pay exorbitant fees for services that are often somewhere between worthless and harmful. A lot of physicians think that just bearing that title makes them entitled to overblown prestige even though many, if not most doctors today absolutely suck at their jobs.

 

[GH253]

I blame the rise of anti-intellectualism. There has been this trend in some circles to perceive educated individual as "elitist" and lacking "common sense".

This perfectly exemplifies the mentality I'm talking about. You fail to understand that not all education is good education. Hard and long doesn't necessarily mean high in quality. While doctors spend a long time in school, few ever learn basic thinking skills, and instead tend to have lifelong attitudes that revolve around what they were taught in their early training. Using your intellect means thinking independently, not just accepting what an entrenched orthodoxy says is the right way to do things.

 

[zero0]

This perfectly exemplifies what I'm talking about. You fail to understand that not all education is good education. Hard and long doesn't necessarily mean good. While all doctors spend a long time in school, few have good basic thinking skills, instead tend to have lifelong attitudes that revolve around what they were taught in school. Being intellectual means thinking independently, not just accepting what an entrenched orthodoxy says is the right way to do things.

You expect too much of them. Doctors are just people like everybody else. You can't expect them to single-handedly take on a system that's built to keep them in line. Sure, they like to make themselves out to be smarter and better, but the reality is they're just willing to put up with more crap. They're willing to go through all the work to actually make something of themselves. That's the only real thing that sets them apart.

Take @cryhavoc 's relative for example. How much do you wanna bet that he doesn't actually hate doctors at all but secretly resents that he didn't do more with his life and, now that it's too late, projects that on others? Doctors have their faults like everyone else but they're still, by and large, qualified to be where they are and worked damn hard to get there. Fact is, they're just another partially at fault group getting the finger pointed at them out of ignorance, but they're not the root of the problem.

 

[SunsFun]

This perfectly exemplifies what I'm talking about. You fail to understand that not all education is good education. Hard and long doesn't necessarily mean good. While all doctors spend a long time in school, few have good basic thinking skills, instead tend to have lifelong attitudes that revolve around what they were taught in school. Being intellectual means thinking independently, not just accepting what an entrenched orthodoxy says is the right way to do things.

As someone, with both parents never finishing high school and spending most of my days studying, why don't you tell me which specific things that I have learned so far are "bad education"?

What you fail to understand is that this is the attitude ingrained to me by my parents who have sacrificed a lot to give me an opportunity they never had. They believed that there is more to life that people should strive for. System/knowledge will never be perfect/complete but that doesn't mean we should just default to "everybody's opinion as just as correct since so much of education is useless anyway". No reason to try to learn things and better yourself from that standpoint.


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[username456789]

This perfectly exemplifies what I'm talking about. You fail to understand that not all education is good education. Hard and long doesn't necessarily mean good. While all doctors spend a long time in school, few have good basic thinking skills, instead tend to have lifelong attitudes that revolve around what they were taught in school. Being intellectual means thinking independently, not just accepting what an entrenched orthodoxy says is the right way to do things.

Your post is a great example of the anti-intellectualism and "I know better because my feelings tell me so" movement in America.

Thanks for checking in!