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usma05

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Can anybody point me to primary source information on when our DOR is established as a physician in the MC? My understanding is our graduation date from medical school, as I have several friends who have that established as their DOR. Mine currently is the day I reported to intern year. I know AR 624-100 deals with promotions and does talk about MC specifically, but I'm having a hard time finding the determination of the exact DOR.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

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Don't know the reg., but if you were in a reserve status during medical school (so anything other than at USUHS), then it's the day you were called to active duty for internship orientation. I mean, I'm sure there are a thousand permutations around that theme for prior-service, etc., but for the least complicated scenario then that's the day. Or, perhaps it'd be more accurate to say that is the way it worked for me and the several hundred other MC officers I know.
 
Your DoR is should be the day you signed your O-3 oath of office. I have seen them try to screw people (really incompetence, not malice), and it takes a while to fix. They "lost" my oath of office, even though it was on iperms, and i waited 12 months for a fix.
 
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No hard and fast rule, one of two dates for most people. Either #1 graduation date from med school if you take your oath there (expect to burn leave from that date to your signin date at residency if taking this path) or #2 Your signin date at residency orientation. Be aware that this date will follow you for your next promotions usually (unless frocked or BZ selection).
 
Thanks for the replies...I find myself in a situation that some people above describe. OTSG sent out an oath of office which I took on grad day and sent back to them on my graduation day. They 'lost it' and when I arrived at my duty station the acgme director had us all take new oath of offices even though I had a copy of the initial one with me. Guess which one made it into my IPERMs? Between that date and a little bit of active service prior to med school my DOR should be adjusted about 3 months. Many people would think its no big deal, but in terms of the board for Major it makes a difference between being one of the few promoted before the pack in May/June and when everybody else is promoted. That's a difference in 2-3 months pay captain/major pay (according to last years stats, could be more with the slowdown my non-MC brethern are going through with promotions in Big Army this year) and potential affects when you are up for future advancement. I can't sit here and not bat an eye at 2-3months of higher pay that I earned.

As far as the "that's how its been for me and everybody else argument;" I'm always wary of that one....In my short military career that usually translated into "I don't have the time or energy to really look into it and I'm going to accept that the system optimally functions with my best interests in mind." I remember my first BC /XO who gave me the wrong Flight Status orders (PA instead of Flight Doc), which led to me being paid wrong and not being a rated aircrew member. I tired to correct them when I got them, even going as far as showing them the exact regs, but I was told it was how they always did them. 1 year later, DFAS came after me to recoup the difference in money and the orders were eventually fixed. The truth is it had "always been that way" for the BC/XO cause they had always had a Flight PA and not a Flight Surgeon in their billet.

Anyways, working with HRC branch manager to get this fixed...Will update with pertinent info once I pin it down. Thanks.
 
No hard and fast rule, one of two dates for most people. Either #1 graduation date from med school if you take your oath there (expect to burn leave from that date to your signin date at residency if taking this path) or #2 Your signin date at residency orientation. Be aware that this date will follow you for your next promotions usually (unless frocked or BZ selection).

As far as the "that's how its been for me and everybody else argument;" I'm always wary of that one....In my short military career that usually translated into "I don't have the time or energy to really look into it and I'm going to accept that the system optimally functions with my best interests in mind."

Were you called to active duty and on approved leave between your medical graduation and start of internship orientation? If not, then it sounds like they got that particular part correct.
 
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