DOs with 3.4s/30+ MCATs?

[HalfListic]

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How have I not communicated in a professional,respectful way? Because, I've made statements that don't jive with someone's ego? Mentioning that the average DO student has a 3.4/27 MCAT is not offensive or insulting but only a fact.

If anything many commenters have been insulting me, especially Kenobi who basically threatened me with physical assault, lol.

Anyway, I don't want this to be a big argument. I only would like some more insight on my situation.

Honesty, you should be able to figure this out. But, fine, when I get to my computer I'll point them out if you'd like.

Of you'd like to get a preview of what I'll highlight, ignore the facts and focus on your descriptions, interpretations and assessments. No one has any problem with the facts.

 

[HalfListic]

I'll defend DO's. Well, except the OMM residents.
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Haha...agreed! 😉

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Haha...agreed! 😉

Damn OMM'ers trying to manipulate MY sutures! I'll show em wut!

 

[psychgirrrl]

I find it difficult to understand why you guys don't get what this is about.

To put it very simply, this is about how to communicate in a professional, respectful way.

Most of the ideas presented are fine. No one argues them. So, you'd have to think You're missing something, right?

HalfListic, you got it again.

I am sure you will do a great job of showing the little bits of arrogance that come out through his posts.

Darkskies, you will have a lot of problems in life with the way you address people and your refusal to look at yourself and see that you made a mistake. To me that's all this post is all about. You refusing to acknowledge your GPA is not that great which does not make you that great of a candidate. Honestly, who cares? Not me. You shouldn't care either because you GOT ACCEPTED TO MEDICAL SCHOOL, from this point on none of this should matter. CONGRATS. Close that chapter in your life and begin a new one and try your hardest to achieve what you want to achieve. The end.

 

[Darkskies]

Honesty, you should be able to figure this out. But, fine, when I get to my computer I'll point them out if you'd like.

Of you'd like to get a preview of what I'll highlight, ignore the facts and focus on your descriptions, interpretations and assessments. No one has any problem with the facts.

Actually, I would like you to point them out. Saying that I should be able to figure this out on my own is you avoiding my question.

Like I said though, I'd rather have insight into my situation and what I should do rather than an argument.

 

[MedPR]

Honesty, you should be able to figure this out. But, fine, when I get to my computer I'll point them out if you'd like.

Of you'd like to get a preview of what I'll highlight, ignore the facts and focus on your descriptions, interpretations and assessments. No one has any problem with the facts.

For the most part this is correct. However, many people do seem to have a problem with the facts.

 

[SLC]

So you're upset by the other person's opinion, not by the fact that they are using a derogatory word to describe you?

I get what you're trying to say, and normally I feel like we see eye to eye on most things. Still, don't you think that perhaps she has a problem with other people's opinions about her sexuality because those opinions are a major part of what is preventing her from obtaining equal rights?

I'm not trying to directly compare the plight of the DO community with that of the LBGTQ community; they aren't even close to being on the same scale. Still, the attitude that DO is full of failures who took a backdoor into medicine is exactly the type of opinion that keeps DO discrimination alive and well in those places still clinging to it.

When we can start discussing DO's in tr context of their performance after medical school rater than before, then maybe some progress can be made.

 

[Darkskies]

HalfListic, you got it again.

I am sure you will do a great job of showing the little bits of arrogance that come out through his posts.

Darkskies, you will have a lot of problems in life with the way you address people and your refusal to look at yourself and see that you made a mistake. To me that's all this post is all about. You refusing to acknowledge your GPA is not that great which does not make you that great of a candidate. Honestly, who cares? Not me. You shouldn't care either because you GOT ACCEPTED TO MEDICAL SCHOOL, from this point on none of this should matter. CONGRATS. Close that chapter in your life and begin a new one and try your hardest to achieve what you want to achieve. The end.

Your argument is a strawman. I've REPEATEDLY admitted that I am below average for MD schools. What I am trying to assess is whether I should take my DO acceptance or try to improve my application by doing an SMP/ACP this year since even though I am below average, statistically I don't need to improve that much more to be competitive for an MD spot.

I haven't belittled anyone. It's because you are confusing unsavory facts that don't throw the best light on DO students' average credentials as being belittling or insulting. I don't THINK I am better than other students at DO schools though my stats are higher than average so academically I am a better student. This can't really be argued if we are talking about stats. Since the DO is obviously the second choice, I am trying to figure out whether the potential sacrifices I will be making as a DO are less than the potential sacrifices/risks of forgoing my acceptance and completing an SMP this year in order to obtain an MD degree.

 

[HalfListic]

Ok, well after having thought about this for a bit...I've decided I'm not going to continue to argue with you here. Not that we've really bashed, or that its gone too far, etc. The reason is, I usually like to argue a point when I feel like Im helping people see things fairly. In this case, I think most people understand that there is virtue in respectful disagreements, and that you have some social grace yet to develop. I hope you can give this an honest look and decide to do so.

Id also like to add that I can be hot headed at times! Ive said rude things on this forum before...but the difference is, Ive apologized. *Not* recognizing when you are wrong is a gross personality flaw and it prevents character development.

So, unless things take a turn for the worse here...I think Ill be done here. And, to the extent I can say it, I've got no hard feelings for you. I think you are just being stubborn.





BTW: as a side note, every time I see your name, I think it says Darksies and I think of JD from scrubs saying twosies. haha...my brain is weird sometimes.

 

[psychgirrrl]

Your argument is a strawman. I've REPEATEDLY admitted that I am below average for MD schools. What I am trying to assess is whether I should take my DO acceptance or try to improve my application by doing an SMP/ACP this year since even though I am below average, statistically I don't need to improve that much more to be competitive for an MD spot.

I haven't belittled anyone. It's because you are confusing unsavory facts that don't throw the best light on DO students' average credentials as being belittling or insulting. I don't THINK I am better than other students at DO schools though my stats are higher than average so academically I am a better student. This can't really be argued if we are talking about stats.

Look at you and your big philosophical argument terminology! I am a pre-DO student, my MCAT and GPA simply will not allow me to understand this complicated terminology, your complexity as an individual and your self-actualized state of being that you bring to SDN. Bro, let me simplify this for you:

Kid wins a house full of candy.
Kid says: Man, this house is so full of candy, but it has sprinkles on it and I don't like candy with sprinkles.
To get candy without sprinkles kid has to go enter the lottery again and will probably end up losing. Kid complains that there is nothing wrong with sprinkled candy however he has a refined taste and dislikes sprinkled candy. Other kids are sitting outside of the house full of candy and their mouths are full of water seeing the candy coming out of the windows. Kid goes outside and says: hey guys, I know you really want this candy, and I have this candy but I am not sure I want it so...tell if you think sprinkles are really that bad.

Other kids laugh at the child and throw things at them.

Kid complains that other kids are throwing things at them.
Kid complains that he people are upset he won something amazing and doesn't like it because it's got sprinkles.

My advice to you:

The the sprinkles off. Eat the damn candy and quit complaining that kids threw stuff at you when you asked their opinion.

Your not better than anybody because you don't like sprinkles.

 

[pattr]

To the people who keep bringing up that they are ONLY applying to DO schools, how does that make you special? Because, you believe in the degree and its uniqueness and don't want the MD? You're just deluding yourselves(most likely because you are not competitive for an MD) since in practice the two are exactly the same except DOs have fewer opportunities in obtaining ACGME residencies/specialties and learn OMM which hardly anyone uses. Nothing I've said yet should be offensive. I'm not competitive for an MD based on my current application either since I didn't get in.

I think I can come to terms with being a DO but after reading the comments on this thread and the posts on other threads in this forum, one of the biggest headaches I'll have to face are DO students who have a chip on their shoulder and must respond to it by deluding themselves on how unique their degree is/how they only wanted DO/how they are different from MDs instead of admitting that it was a chance for them to go to medical school and that their stats were not good enough for an MD at the time of application(though they might have taken advantage of their DO degree and improved greatly in med school). On top of that, they think I'm the one with the chip on my shoulder, lol. It's a really immature and unintelligent way to act and think, guys. Instead of making me feel better it makes me feel worse since only a certain type of person who can't think rationally would act this way. I really hope I don't run into a lot of these types of people at school if(most likely I will be) I go DO.

OP, I don't know what to tell you, man... stop basing your opinion of yourself on those around you. Who cares if the people at UMDNJ or lots of DO students have a lower MCAT score than you? Is your sense of self-worth so inextricably tied to your stats that that honestly bothers you?

If you want the MD cuz you want to match JHU ortho go ahead and take some more time. But it seems like you are in a tricky situation since your only option at this point based on what you've posted about $, etc is to go to the DO school and work really hard in medical school for a degree you are not yet comfortable with. If you have to "come to terms" with being an osteopathic physician, that's a problem.

.... I'm sorry?

And btw, it's comments like the one bolded above that are what is likely pissing people off. Until you get into the MD program you want, how are you any different than the people you are saying are "irrational" and "deluding themselves"? Cuz you have a 32 on your MCAT? Do you think that makes you really really special? Do you really expect everyone to try to "make you feel better"? Do you think your attendings/residents are gonna do that when you're in medical school/internship? Medicine is a hard and long career that basically never ends. You have to start learning to make your own decisions and standing by them.

 

[circulus vitios]

Your argument is a strawman. I've REPEATEDLY admitted that I am below average for MD schools. What I am trying to assess is whether I should take my DO acceptance or try to improve my application by doing an SMP/ACP this year since even though I am below average, statistically I don't need to improve that much more to be competitive for an MD spot.

You need 56 credits of straight As to raise your GPA from a 3.46 to the AAMC average matriculant's 3.63.

 

[MedPR]

I get what you're trying to say, and normally I feel like we see eye to eye on most things. Still, don't you think that perhaps she has a problem with other people's opinions about her sexuality because those opinions are a major part of what is preventing her from obtaining equal rights?

I'm not trying to directly compare the plight of the DO community with that of the LBGTQ community; they aren't even close to being on the same scale. Still, the attitude that DO is full of failures who took a backdoor into medicine is exactly the type of opinion that keeps DO discrimination alive and well in those places still clinging to it.

When we can start discussing DO's in tr context of their performance after medical school rater than before, then maybe some progress can be made.

I agree, that probably plays a role as far as LBGT rights go, but the people calling her a derogatory term aren't the ones writing the laws. The way she presented her argument led me to believe she was talking about a peer or another random homophobe.

I don't think DO is full of failures, however I do think that many DO applicants are shooting for MD with DO as a backup. Personal opinions about DO may play a role, but I don't think anything is hurting the DO reputation more than the stats of most matriculants. Could DO schools fill classes of 3.6/30+ applicants? I don't know, but I would venture a guess that most DO schools could.

I don't think I've ever made any statement about a DO (not a DO student) that can be construed as negative. DO students are, for the most part, statistically inferior to MD students. However, as I and many others have said before, stats don't matter once you get accepted.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

That's the thing, just because a school has lesser stats doesn't mean much really. Hell, statistically a student with a 3.5/27 has as much chance of passing the USMLE on his first try as does someone with a 3.5/34.
There's nothing wrong with going DO and DO schools will continue to produce great physicians. It is not the most ideal path especially if you're aiming for the top, but it'll get you where you want most cases, which is all that matters.

This is also not to mention that top tier DO students probably have even a little bit easier chance getting into ultra competitive residency, thanks to the AOA match than if they were low tier MD students.


So yes, in most cases DO was a back up to MD schools, but it's a fine and respectable back up just like any other low tier US MD school.

 

[Darkskies]

OP, I don't know what to tell you, man... stop basing your opinion of yourself on those around you. Who cares if the people at UMDNJ or lots of DO students have a lower MCAT score than you? Is your sense of self-worth so inextricably tied to your stats that that honestly bothers you?

If you want the MD cuz you want to match JHU ortho go ahead and take some more time. But it seems like you are in a tricky situation since your only option at this point based on what you've posted about $, etc is to go to the DO school and work really hard in medical school for a degree you are not yet comfortable with. If you have to "come to terms" with being an osteopathic physician, that's a problem.

.... I'm sorry?

And btw, it's comments like the one bolded above that are what is likely pissing people off. Until you get into the MD program you want, how are you any different than the people you are saying are "irrational" and "deluding themselves"? Cuz you have a 32 on your MCAT? Do you think that makes you really really special? Do you really expect everyone to try to "make you feel better"? Do you think your attendings/residents are gonna do that when you're in medical school/internship? Medicine is a hard and long career that basically never ends. You have to start learning to make your own decisions and standing by them.

You're right that I shouldn't base my opinion of myself on those around me. It's just hard to do sometimes.

The bolded comment your referred to wasn't meant to piss anyone off. I'm different from the people who are 'irrational' and 'deluding themselves' because I won't lie to myself. I know that the reason I will(most likely) be going DO is because I didn't have the GPA for an MD at the time of application. I don't think the DO degree is unique or that OMM is anything really that relevant to patient care. The DO degree will give me(and anyone else) the opportunity to become a physician(albeit with lower stats than those at MD programs). See, I'm completely honest and I just want others to be the same.

 

[costales]

So are we ready to announce the marriage of OP and the AOA or what?

 

[MedPR]

That's the thing, just because a school has lesser stats doesn't mean much really. Hell, statistically a student with a 3.5/27 has as much chance of passing the USMLE on his first try as does someone with a 3.5/34.
There's nothing wrong with going DO and DO schools will continue to produce great physicians. It is not the most ideal path especially if you're aiming for the top, but it'll get you where you want most cases, which is all that matters.

This is also not to mention that top tier DO students probably have even a little bit easier chance getting into ultra competitive residency, thanks to the AOA match than if they were low tier MD students.


So yes, in most cases DO was a back up to MD schools, but it's a fine and respectable back up just like any other low tier US MD school.

I agree with your last statement, but so many people have a problem with it and I think that's why this thread has gone in this direction. I don't know if there is the same problem with pre-MD people comparing Drexel to Harvard, but it's a huge problem in pre-DO and I don't get it. Why is it so hard for people to accept the facts?

 

[HalfListic]

You're right that I shouldn't base my opinion of myself on those around me. It's just hard to do sometimes.

The bolded comment your referred to wasn't meant to piss anyone off. I'm different from the people who are 'irrational' and 'deluding themselves' because I won't lie to myself. I know that the reason I will(most likely) be going DO is because I didn't have the GPA for an MD at the time of application. I don't think the DO degree is unique or that OMM is anything really that relevant to patient care. The DO degree will give me(and anyone else) the opportunity to become a physician(albeit with lower stats than those at MD programs). See, I'm completely honest and I just want others to be the same.

you are hopeless...

Do you understand what being passive aggressive is?

Lets try a few examples:

*Im not trying to insult you, Im just used to talking with more intelligent people

*hey, don't listen to people here...its not your fault that your mom told you you were special far too often.

*Darkskies...I think we are very similar. Except, my opinions are founded in reality.

*No, Im not saying Im better than you! Im just different because I don't lie to myself or wet the bed anymore.


I could go on, but do you get the point? This is how you sound. Regardless of the valid points that you sprinkle throughout your posts, they are negated by your strange comments about rational, delusions, etc.

No one is fighting you about MD vs DO...and yet, thats all you seem to talk about.

Re read pattr's comment. Realize, that your opinion about DO is not unique, neither are you unique as far as stats are concerned.

You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

 

[aDOdoctor]

At this point, this is something you really need to talk to someone like, I don't know, your girlfriend about. Or your parents. Or an adviser. Or a doctor. Do you know what they will all say? Do what makes you happy, because in the end that's all that matters. Don't ask a bunch of people in their late teens/early twenties who really don't know you or anything about, well, anything.

I'll admit I was a little upset knowing my final GPA and MCAT were not quite up to par with MD schools. My initial plan was apply mostly MD, DO as backup. Now I'm applying strictly DO (Due to financial reasons. Best to apply money where chances are greatest) and no MD. It was a little upsetting at first, but I realized that the doctors I work with, some of whom are DOs, are incredible and are highly respected among their fellow MD peers. I didn't even know they were DOs at first. It took months until I finally noticed it. And suddenly I'm happy to be applying DO, and my only worry is to get a decent residency where I will become a capable and independent doctor. Sure, the choices of DO residencies are slimmer compared to MD, but if you're the top student you think you are, you shouldn't have a problem competing with the lower stat students you are in school with and get the residency of your choice.

If anything, DO schools are kinda like a secret medical school a lot of people don't know about. Because if you haven't noticed, word is getting out about DO schools, and stats are increasing very fast every year. It was only a few years ago when a 25 on the MCAT was really good for any DO school. Now a 25 will get you low tier DO school, and maybe top tier. Honestly, if I were you, I'd get in while I can. You never know what life event could mess up your SMP and ruin every possible chance you ever had, giving you a low GPA like your undergraduate years.

 

[MedPR]

At this point, this is something you really need to talk to someone like, I don't know, your girlfriend about. Or your parents. Or an adviser. Or a doctor. Do you know what they will all say? Do what makes you happy, because in the end that's all that matters. Don't ask a bunch of people in their late teens/early twenties who really don't know you or anything about, well, anything.

I'll admit I was a little upset knowing my final GPA and MCAT were not quite up to par with MD schools. My initial plan was apply mostly MD, DO as backup. Now I'm applying strictly DO (Due to financial reasons. Best to apply money where chances are greatest) and no MD. It was a little upsetting at first, but I realized that the doctors I work with, some of whom are DOs, are incredible and are highly respected among their fellow MD peers. I didn't even know they were DOs at first. It took months until I finally noticed it. And suddenly I'm happy to be applying DO, and my only worry is to get a decent residency where I will become a capable and independent doctor. Sure, the choices of DO residencies are slimmer compared to MD, but if you're the top student you think you are, you shouldn't have a problem competing with the lower stat students you are in school with and get the residency of your choice.

If anything, DO schools are kinda like a secret medical school a lot of people don't know about. Because if you haven't noticed, word is getting out about DO schools, and stats are increasing very fast every year. It was only a few years ago when a 25 on the MCAT was really good for any DO school. Now a 25 will get you low tier DO school, and maybe top tier. Honestly, if I were you, I'd get in while I can. You never know what life event could mess up your SMP and ruin every possible chance you ever had, giving you a low GPA like your undergraduate years.

A good try at putting a positive spin on DO schools, but MD averages are going up too. It takes them longer (e.g lower increases each year) because a: they are already so high and b: there are way more MD than DO schools.

 

[aDOdoctor]

A good try at putting a positive spin on DO schools, but MD averages are going up too. It takes them longer (e.g lower increases each year) because a: they are already so high and b: there are way more MD than DO schools.

I wasn't trying to put a positive spin on DO schools. Facts are facts. If they were getting lower that's a whole other story. However, DO applicants today are much more stronger applicants than DO applicants just a few years back, regardless of what MD is doing.

You also brought up a good point. MD averages are leveling out, and DO applicants will soon catch up. Eventually everything will level out and they'll have to come up with a new type of system to select applicants. Probably why they are changing the MCAT, just to shake things up a little bit.

 

[MedPR]

I wasn't trying to put a positive spin on DO schools. Facts are facts. If they were getting lower that's a whole other story. However, DO applicants today are much more stronger applicants than DO applicants just a few years back, regardless of what MD is doing.

You were saying that DO is some big secret.. a diamond in the rough as evidenced by the fact that DO stats are increasing. I pointed out that MD stats are also increasing as evidence that DO stats increasing proves nothing except the increasing qualifications of applicants.

 

[HalfListic]

If anything, DO schools are kinda like a secret medical school a lot of people don't know about. Because if you haven't noticed, word is getting out about DO schools, and stats are increasing very fast every year. It was only a few years ago when a 25 on the MCAT was really good for any DO school. Now a 25 will get you low tier DO school, and maybe top tier.

can't see anything wrong with the statement.

Here are the claims I see:

1-Word is getting out about DO schools (this is true, applications are up, each year)
2-Stats are increasing (also true, as is seen in MCAT score cutoffs)

Nothing compared to MD there...

 

[aDOdoctor]

You were saying that DO is some big secret.. a diamond in the rough as evidenced by the fact that DO stats are increasing. I pointed out that MD stats are also increasing as evidence that DO stats increasing proves nothing except the increasing qualifications of applicants.

OK, great. Obviously DO schools aren't a secret, but it is true they are not well known like MD schools. My comment went to the fact that more people are becoming aware of DO and are applying, making it more competitive, on top of the usual increasing competitiveness that goes along with time.

 

[JaBoomDay]

Maybe you have a beef with JaBoomDay...but oh well...this will blow over.

LOL
I'm just.... I don't know... Lol

 

[Conflagration]

Well, objectively, you lose a year of attending salary if you decide to do an SMP.

Really, what you need to ask yourself is this: Which do I want more, to be a physician or a MD degree?

If it's the former, as long as you're not going for a hyper-competitive residency in a hyper-competitive specialty, then take the acceptance and never look back.

If being a DO unsettles you, or if you want a hyper-competitive residency in a hyper-competitive specialty, then do the SMP.

Only you can choose at the end of the day. Personally, I'm applying to both since there's both kinds of schools in my state(albeit that's three years away, so my decision may change).

Good luck with your decision!

 

[MedPR]

If anything, DO schools are kinda like a secret medical school a lot of people don't know about. Because if you haven't noticed, word is getting out about DO schools, and stats are increasing very fast every year. It was only a few years ago when a 25 on the MCAT was really good for any DO school. Now a 25 will get you low tier DO school, and maybe top tier.

can't see anything wrong with the statement.

Here are the claims I see:

1-Word is getting out about DO schools (this is true, applications are up, each year)
2-Stats are increasing (also true, as is seen in MCAT score cutoffs)

Nothing compared to MD there...

To play devil's advocate, I would say that DO stats are going up because MD stats are going up. In other words, there are more and more students who can't get into MD, therefore they're applying to DO, thereby increasing DO stats.

OK, great. Obviously DO schools aren't a secret, but it is true they are not well known like MD schools. My comment went to the fact that more people are becoming aware of DO and are applying, making it more competitive, on top of the usual increasing competitiveness that goes along with time.

I agree.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

You're right that I shouldn't base my opinion of myself on those around me. It's just hard to do sometimes.

The bolded comment your referred to wasn't meant to piss anyone off. I'm different from the people who are 'irrational' and 'deluding themselves' because I won't lie to myself. I know that the reason I will(most likely) be going DO is because I didn't have the GPA for an MD at the time of application. I don't think the DO degree is unique or that OMM is anything really that relevant to patient care. The DO degree will give me(and anyone else) the opportunity to become a physician(albeit with lower stats than those at MD programs). See, I'm completely honest and I just want others to be the same.

Can you please please maintain/uphold this level of honesty when you interview at ACGME and AOA residency programs...and when the PDs ask you, "So what made you go to a DO school instead of an MD school?" Pretty please!! 🙂

 

[MedPR]

Can you please please maintain/uphold this level of honesty when you interview at ACGME and AOA residency programs...and when the PDs ask you, "So what made you go to a DO school instead of an MD school?" Pretty please!! 🙂

If you say "I went to DO school because I believe in OMM" in an ACGME residency interview, you'll be laughed out of the hospital.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

If you say "I went to DO school because I believe in OMM" in an ACGME residency interview, you'll be laughed out of the hospital.

IMO saying "I went DO because I wanted to learn OMM" sounds WAY better than "I went DO because (that is, I am accepting that) I was lesser competent than those students who went MD".

 

[MedPR]

IMO saying "I went DO because I wanted to learn OMM" sounds WAY better than "I went DO because (that is, I am accepting that) I was lesser competent than those students who went MD".

Where did the poster indicate that? To me it sounds like he was saying "I went DO because it was my best option at the time and it allowed me to achieve my ultimate goal of becoming a physician."

 

[Sandstorm]

Fact: there are students that plain want to go DO.

Fact: There are others who go DO because they couldn't go MD.



While OP really worded their post poorly, why does everyone get their panties in such a bunch every time something like this comes up given the commonly accepted facts above?

 

[MedPR]

Fact: there are students that plain want to go DO.

Fact: There are others who go DO because they couldn't go MD.



While OP really worded their post poorly, why does everyone get their panties in such a bunch every time something like this comes up given the commonly accepted facts above?

Because Group 1 is mad that Group 2 has better stats and is therefore "stealing" spots from Group 1.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

Because Group 1 is mad that Group 2 has better stats and is therefore "stealing" spots from Group 1.

So, does Group 2 always have better stats than Group 1?

 

[MedPR]

So, does Group 1 always have better stats than Group 2?

I didn't say Group 1 had better stats than Group 2.

 

[HalfListic]

 

[nicolemsm]

you just killed a kitten.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

Because Group 1 is mad that Group 2 has better stats and is therefore "stealing" spots from Group 1.

So, does Group 2 always have better stats than Group 1?

 

[HalfListic]

you just killed a kitten.

haha...whoops.

(and another one bites the dust!...)

 

[MedPR]

So, does Group 2 always have better stats than Group 1?

No not necessarily. I do think most people in Group 1 are full of it though and actually belong in the bottom tier of Group 2.

 

[Kvothe]

Go SMP.

You obviously are far superior to us wanting to go DO and would just feel awful stooping to our level. Imagine the embarrassment you'll feel for the rest of your life as you are announced as "dark skies" doctor of osteopathy. Not to mention the sub par education you will receive compared to the low tier MD schools you may be qualified for!

Sorry, I've been reading for entertainment, which you have been, but you are so ignorant I just can't take it anymore.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

No not necessarily. I do think most people in Group 1 are full of it though and actually belong in the bottom tier of Group 2.

🙄

 

[MedPR]

🙄

People lie about everything, stats included. By nature, people defend themselves and try to seem better than they are. In other words, "I have a 3.0/28, but I'm applying to DO school because I don't want to go to MD school."

 

[Ost3oclast]

People lie about everything, stats included. By nature, people defend themselves and try to seem better than they are. In other words, "I have a 3.0/28, but I'm applying to DO school because I don't want to go to MD school."

+1. Its all about preserving self worth. I think its a nature defense mechanism for everybody though....

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

People lie about everything, stats included. By nature, people defend themselves and try to seem better than they are. In other words, "I have a 3.0/28, but I'm applying to DO school because I don't want to go to MD school."

It's not lying, it's rationalization and reduction of dissonance. It's simple psychology really, people don't function well when they have internal dissonances or deficits.

Anyway enough of this topic.
Let's talk about how OMM residents are gathering cats to sacrifice to summon A.T Still from the dead so he can declare war on the AMA.

 

[Mr Kenobi]

If anything many commenters have been insulting me, especially Kenobi who basically threatened me with physical assault, lol.

First off... I am truely sorry if you thought my sarcastic comment about using the force to force choke you was a legitimate threat. Was meant to be humorous. Besides everyone knows that a force choke is more commonly used by Siths.

Secondly....Mr Kenobi, bro.

 

[ValentineLissar]

serenade, you're a troll.

It's not lying, it's rationalization and reduction of dissonance. It's simple psychology really, people don't function well when they have internal dissonances or deficits.

Anyway enough of this topic.
Let's talk about how OMM residents are gathering cats to sacrifice to summon A.T Still from the dead so he can declare war on the AMA.

Darkskies,

I think at the end of the day, you should do some hard thinking about what you're willing to sacrifice. I think something as small as PRIDE won't really matter when in the grand scheme of things because in the end, you'll become physician. You'll have a good solid, career that pays well and you'll be making a difference in the lives others. You won't be sinking in another 45K of debt, waiting realistically 2 years (one to do your preparation and another to apply) before starting medical school, and you're not going to have to stress over the ordeal of re-application to MD schools. Plus you might have to retake the MCAT when the score becomes stale. And if you wait too long, you'll be taking that new MCAT.


Also, I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH that waiting another year is not a guarantee that you'll get in another MD school. You're jumping back into the shark pool (borrowing from the analogy that someone used) and a growing shark pool at that. You should look at where AMCAS is right now when it comes to processing primary applications. They're still going through verifying people's applications from JUNE 18th, and schools like UC Davis have already received 5,000 applications and secondaries have only been open for like 20 days. I personally think that more and more applicants are applying especially in light of the bad economy and the lack of jobs. Next year will be even worse as more people realize that medicine is a profitable and secure career path. (Plus, there might not be anything you can inherently do to make yourself a better applicant to medical admission committees. Why would they pick YOU, a reapplicant, as opposed to newbies fresh from undergraduate who have never struggled with getting in AND potentially higher statistics than you. Maybe if you started some kind of amazing charity, became first author to a research paper, or saved the president's life.) Ask yourself, why would you risk a good thing that you already have for an option that's not a guarantee? You're gambling dangerously and all for the sake of preceived reputation.

These other people who are telling you to reject the acceptance and take another year to prep for reapplication to MD schools are short-sighted. As many people mentioned, every year the MD statistics are going up and optimistic thinking that you can improve your application in a year is not enough to give you admission to those MD schools. Really think about the reasons I gave you in the first paragraph and realize that you're going to be a world of disappointment and anguish if you turn down this acceptance and your plan B doesn't work.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

serenade, you're a troll.




Darkskies,

I think at the end of the day, you should do some hard thinking about what you're willing to sacrifice. I think something as small as PRIDE won't really matter when in the grand scheme of things because in the end, you'll become physician. You'll have a good solid, career that pays well and you'll be making a difference in the lives others. You won't be sinking in another 45K of debt, waiting realistically 2 years (one to do your preparation and another to apply) before starting medical school, and you're not going to have to stress over the ordeal of re-application to MD schools. Plus you might have to retake the MCAT when the score becomes stale. And if you wait too long, you'll be taking that new MCAT.


Also, I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH that waiting another year is not a guarantee that you'll get in another MD school. You're jumping back into the shark pool (borrowing from the analogy that someone used) and a growing shark pool at that. You should look at where AMCAS is right now when it comes to processing primary applications. They're still going through verifying people's applications from JUNE 18th, and schools like UC Davis have already received 5,000 applications and secondaries have only been open for like 20 days. I personally think that more and more applicants are applying especially in light of the bad economy and the lack of jobs. Next year will be even worse as more people realize that medicine is a profitable and secure career path. (Plus, there might not be anything you can inherently do to make yourself a better applicant to medical admission committees. Why would they pick YOU, a reapplicant, as opposed to newbies fresh from undergraduate who have never struggled with getting in AND potentially higher statistics than you. Maybe if you started some kind of amazing charity, became first author to a research paper, or saved the president's life.) Ask yourself, why would you risk a good thing that you already have for an option that's not a guarantee? You're gambling dangerously and all for the sake of preceived reputation.

These other people who are telling you to reject the acceptance and take another year to prep for reapplication to MD schools are short-sighted. As many people mentioned, every year the MD statistics are going up and optimistic thinking that you can improve your application in a year is not enough to give you admission to those MD schools. Really think about the reasons I gave you in the first paragraph and realize that you're going to be a world of disappointment and anguish if you turn down this acceptance and your plan B doesn't work.

Even that could potentially work against you if a right-wing conservative republican ends up interviewing you...just sayin...

 

[ValentineLissar]

Even that could work potentially against you if a right-wing conservative republican ends up interviewing you...just sayin...

😵 What do you mean?

EDIT: Nevermind. I took a closer look and got it. LOL. I'm so stupid sometimes.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

It's not lying, it's rationalization and reduction of dissonance. It's simple psychology really, people don't function well when they have internal dissonances or deficits.

Anyway enough of this topic.
Let's talk about how OMM residents are gathering cats to sacrifice to summon A.T Still from the dead so he can declare war on the AMA.

LMFAO!!