Dress Code Nazis

[ForbiddenComma]

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How do you deal with this?

On one rotation, anything goes; docs wear blue jeans on Fridays, scrubs are ok, short white coats are optional. It's all good.

But on the next... oh no. There is a Nazi regime in power. Don't wear a tie, and you get sent home. Wear scrubs to round on patients, even between operative procedures, and you get written up.

Is this really to the benefit of the patient? Are they really happy that I spend 15 minutes after the 7:30 am procedure to change to see them... only to spend another 15 minutes to change back... this in addition to changing when I show up at the hospital?

Do the Dress Code Nazis only exist to make themselves feel happy?

 

[AF_PedsBoy]

You do it- while your last rotation sounded like a nice laid back rotation, that's not the norm, and in the same way, having to change into and out of scrubs between procedures is also not the norm, but you do it because that is the dress code of your profession as set forth by your current boss.

By the way it takes me about five minutes to go from uniform to scrubs, two minutes if I'm in civilian clothes. 15 minutes sounds like someone is primping a little too much...

 

[Blade28]

Where are you, at the Mayo?

 

[BlackSails]

Wear your scrubs under your nice clothing. Just make sure its a dark colored shirt, perferably about the same color as the scrubs (so probably greenish)

 

[ForbiddenComma]

Well, I'll just say that this department is notorious throughout the entire hospital for being a fascist regime like this.

Also, the word "malignant" comes up on occasion.

Good to know that their rules are a bit out of the ordinary.

Wear your scrubs under your nice clothing. Just make sure its a dark colored shirt, perferably about the same color as the scrubs (so probably greenish)

That's a good idea... thanks 👍

 

[Winged Scapula]

The issue with changing your scrubs might be Infection Control's doing rather than the department (although it is also "old school" as well).

 

[Old_Mil]

How do you deal with this?

...multiple copies of

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20061217/ai_n16899903

...surreptitiously placed in waiting rooms for the public, and refreshed on a regular basis.

 

[beastmaster]

does anyone know the legality of requiring a tie? A guy can dress professionally without a tie. I've never worn a tie on rotation yet. I'll probably wear one for 4th year showcase rotations, but for other rotations I'm wondering what my options will be if someone brings up the necktie issue.

 

[Winged Scapula]

does anyone know the legality of requiring a tie? A guy can dress professionally without a tie. I've never worn a tie on rotation yet. I'll probably wear one for 4th year showcase rotations, but for other rotations I'm wondering what my options will be if someone brings up the necktie issue.

Unless the hospital dress code requires a tie (which I seriously doubt) they cannot "legally" make you wear a tie.

However, I would question your need to fight this issue with people that can make or break a rotation for you. Your options are to:

1) refuse to wear a tie and deal with the consequences (which can be anything from fostering a negative attitude on service to a bad evaluation for you)

2) suck it up and wear a tie if the attending tells you to.

 

[PeepshowJohnny]

Unfortunately, our hospital's resident "Dress Code" Nazi is high ranking in one of the combined programs, so you have a good chance of having him as an attending in two different rotations and putting up with his draconian rules.

 

[Midwest Medic]

Instead of making huge waves and get everyone pi$$ed off at you (the Nazis anyway) it might just be a good idea to go with the flow and follow the stupid rules that they have made.....don't agree with them, but momma always said, know when to pick your battles....

 

[Observer]

I have read that white coats and ties are considered outdated and can spread disease. The NHS in UK has started banning them for infection control reasons.

Death of the doctor's white coat

 

[Observer]

Instead of making huge waves and get everyone pi$$ed off at you (the Nazis anyway) it might just be a good idea to go with the flow and follow the stupid rules that they have made.....don't agree with them, but momma always said, know when to pick you battles....

Very sound advise.

 

[angel80]

I have read that white coats and ties are considered outdated and can spread disease. The NHS in UK has started banning them for infection control reasons.

Death of the doctor's white coat

I would much rather have all the germs on my white coat than on my nice clothes.

 

[stoic]

I would much rather have all the germs on my white coat than on my nice clothes.

indeed, infect the patient! (not me)

just do what the powers that be tell you, that is my broken advice.

 

[lumbering]

I don't wear a tie and rotate between three pairs of slacks and three dress shirts...both sets all the same color (black). I have one pair of dress shoes, and I often wear the exact same clothes for a week straight. I have never in my life dry-cleaned a single piece of clothing. No one has said anything yet.

 

[prophecy2]

does anyone know the legality of requiring a tie? A guy can dress professionally without a tie. I've never worn a tie on rotation yet. I'll probably wear one for 4th year showcase rotations, but for other rotations I'm wondering what my options will be if someone brings up the necktie issue.

I don't know the legality of requiring a tie. Neither do I think ties serve any beneficial purpose. Think about it: What good can something be if it wraps around your windpipe? Perhaps the initial purpose was to prevent food from falling on the shirts. My next mission, if I choose to accept, is to study the origin of ties and the initial reason of wearing it.

On another note, I don't complain about having to wear ties. In fact, I love to dress up. I tend to feel more comfortable and productive when professionally dressed than when dressed in scrubs. I am even tempted to dress up when on calls, but don't want to appear "weird" or mess with the status quo. If you care to know, I think I have about 50 ties!

Guys, let's stop complaining and start caring how we present ourselves. You can never really go wrong by dressing "fly" in some nice pants, French cuff shirts, nice pair of shoes and nice silk TIES.

Proph...

 

[Observer]

Ties are phallic symbols, if I'm not mistaken. They represent the penis and male virility.

 

[baya]

Ties are phallic symbols, if I'm not mistaken. They represent the penis and male virility.

and bow ties?

 

[AF_PedsBoy]

Obviously testicles! I think you can make a real statement by wearing a bowtie AND a tie....

 

[Observer]

Obviously testicles! I think you can make a real statement by wearing a bowtie AND a tie....

Obviously. Men had more balls in the 1800s 👍

 

[baya]

Obviously testicles! I think you can make a real statement by wearing a bowtie AND a tie....

i feel enlightened...

 

[randomedstudent]

Where are you, at the Mayo?

The OP's description sounds just like my surgery rotation (and actually most other rotations at my school aside from family medicine) - and I definitely wasn't at Mayo!