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First off, Alexander99, you are a stupid piece of ****. Shakenotstirred, you are completely correct. Why is it so hard for people to accept that for a M.D., prestige doesn't matter. Just being a M.D. is prestige enough. No one cares where you went to medical school because they're ALL good. Drexel is a great school, match list is awesome, and graduates do well. Who cares if it's back up, whatever, I don't even know if it's a back-up for people. It's a medical school, if you're a PA resident, it makes the school even better if you want to stay close to home. I think alot of people are prestige freaks and will learn some day after suffering that good doctors coming from all schools. It's a simple reality, but it's so hard for people to fathom. Prestige does not play a role in this field. Just work hard and ignore people who waste their time looking at arbitrary rankings and think that going to "top 10" or "top 33" will open all their doors. Go f*ck yourself!
These are the people I can avoid by not going to Drexel.

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These are the people I can avoid by not going to Drexel.

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Drexel's not as sought after as the Ivy league schools, but that's about it. I think it's wiser to keep those thoughts to yourself even if you strongly believe them. It's better to do that than to put your foot in your mouth again...and again (Reminds me of the UCLA Thread)
 
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Originally posted by CalBeE
Drexel's not as sought after as the Ivy league schools, but that's about it. I think it's wiser to keep those thoughts to yourself even if you strongly believe them. It's better to do that than to put your foot in your mouth again...and again (Reminds me of the UCLA Thread)
In this situation, I really think the poor kid in high school deserved to get both sides of the story. If he was smart enough to get into that program, I really think he might be selling himself short. In the end, he has to make his own decisions--I don't see the harm in giving opinions from both sides.

All I know is that if I had gone into the BA/MD program at Drexel straight out of high school and I had little knowledge of the whole med school process, I'd most likely regret that decision.

The hostile words don't bother me. I know the person posting the message wouldn't have the nerve to talk to me like that in real life so I find the comedy in the situation. Behind the anonimity of the internet, people get much braver than in real life.
 
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The hostile words don't bother me. I know the person posting the message wouldn't have the nerve to talk to me like that in real life so I find the comedy in the situation. Behind the anonimity of the internet, people get much braver than in real life.
Once again, that logic can be turned around and used on yourself. Relax buddy, Drexel is a fine school, although it must not be nearly as good as the institution you are/are planning to attend (note the sarcasm). In the end Drexel grads will be making the same amount of money as you and will have the same opportunities, so I guess it really doesn't matter.

To the OP: If you want more information on the Villanova-Drexel program, PM me. I am not in it, but lets just say I have insider info. Philadelphia is a fun area, and thats really what it's all about. Life is too short not to have fun.
 

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In this situation, I really think the poor kid in high school deserved to get both sides of the story. If he was smart enough to get into that program, I really think he might be selling himself short. In the end, he has to make his own decisions--I don't see the harm in giving opinions from both sides.

All I know is that if I had gone into the BA/MD program at Drexel straight out of high school and I had little knowledge of the whole med school process, I'd most likely regret that decision.
These are very good points, and I agree with you for the most part. Personally, I think there is very little to be gained and a good deal to be lost from going into a straight-to-medschool program versus applying when you're in college. However, I do think your specific reasons for advising against going to Drexel in particular are not well thought-out.

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Personally, I think the fact that lots of students who attend there used the school as a backup and probably aren't too enthusiastic about being there automatically makes me not want to go there (I didn't apply there.)

I remember one guy was interviewing at Drexel and he asked the student interviewer why he chose to go there and his response was a simple, "It's the only place where I got in."
But that still doesn't explain why the school is "not good". It only explains why you personally wouldn't go there. I want to know why the education there is sub-par, which is what is being implied.

I think the best pieces of evidence as to a school's quality would have to be board scores and match lists. Even those don't really tell the whole story, but if Drexel's students are not as qualified or well-prepared as other schools', that is where it would most likely show up. I haven't seen anything yet that points to this being true.
 

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That's because there isn't any evidence that says people will get a subpar education. IN FACT, Drexel has one of the most progressive curriculi in the country, and by far the best technology. The thing it IS missing is name...literally. If you continually change names, it is hard to retain your reputation. When I told my physician I had gotten into Drexel..she replied 'I didn't know Drexel had a medical school.' After I told her it used to be called MCP Hahnemann....she said "AAAAAHHHH good school." I believe in the upcoming years, Drexel will definitely put it's name on the block. The students definitely seem happy there...and for those that have run into a few that arent...with 250 per class there are bound to be folks like that. But really there are folks like that EVERYWHERE....including harvard and jhu..except for different reasons. Good matchlist, good board scores, and an accomodating administration/faculty, great curriculum (one of the best clinical year curriculi in my opinion....with their pathways)....what more do folks want? Boo to all the haters....if you got into Harvard or JHU...good for you, but don't hate...we're all working towards the same goal.
 

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That's because there isn't any evidence that says people will get a subpar education. IN FACT, Drexel has one of the most progressive curriculi in the country, and by far the best technology. The thing it IS missing is name...literally. If you continually change names, it is hard to retain your reputation. When I told my physician I had gotten into Drexel..she replied 'I didn't know Drexel had a medical school.' After I told her it used to be called MCP Hahnemann....she said "AAAAAHHHH good school." I believe in the upcoming years, Drexel will definitely put it's name on the block. The students definitely seem happy there...and for those that have run into a few that arent...with 250 per class there are bound to be folks like that. But really there are folks like that EVERYWHERE....including harvard and jhu..except for different reasons. Good matchlist, good board scores, and an accomodating administration/faculty, great curriculum (one of the best clinical year curriculi in my opinion....with their pathways)....what more do folks want? Boo to all the haters....if you got into Harvard or JHU...good for you, but don't hate...we're all working towards the same goal.
Word. I couldn't have said it better myself. I was very impressed by their technology and curricula, and the students definitely seem happy there. The only thing missing is rank and name recognition, which in the long run don't matter much. We're all gonna be doctors anyway. :D
 

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Let me make an analogy to describe the original poster's dilemma.

Suppose you are an athlete and your contract is up in one year. You have the option of extending the contract for several more years and make a pretty good money or you can play one more year and become a free agent. Let's say you have a great year and get a few more million on a new contract. But suppose you have a bad year or worse get injured then you won't be able to get the kind of money you were offered before. Is that a risk you want to take?

In Drexel you are getting a pretty good med school. You can pass it up and try getting into a better med school but the gains are not that significant where as you risk not getting into med school at all by turning them down

Personally I applied to Drexel as a 'safety' school and didn't know much about it. But I was very happy when I was accepted because that meant that I would definetely not have to go to one of the other 'safety' schools I applied to that I hated when I visited.
 

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I already turned down Temple, probably going to do the same with Finch. I am not sure about NYMC, I haven't heard from them yet but that would be a tougher decision. I probably would have picked Drexel over Albany though I was rejected at albany and didn't have that option.
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The process of getting selected to a medical school is a "blackbox," and getting in anywhere is reason enough to be proud. Case in point (necessarily anecdotal): I was accepted to a top tier Ivy, didn't even get an interview at one of my "safety" schools, and ended up going to another "safety" school for personal reasons (spouse's acceptance to a nearby program). Do I feel shafted? No. Do I feel like I've gotten a poor education? No. Am I going to be a doctor? YES! It's been a couple of years since I was a pre-med, but I still remember people being overly concerned about "The Rankings." I too was somewhat caught up in them. But you know what? They don't really matter that much, apart from the fact that pre-meds THINK they matter. Do your work, play the application game, and count yourself among the lucky when you are accepted because there are plenty of folks that could just as easily gotten in (had the chips fallen differently) that will have to reapply. Good luck all!

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I'm really curious why people take the time to rag on Drexel. Did you get rejected from it or something? Or do you just have a lot of time on your hands at your medical school?
 

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The reason I'm looking for a guaranteed program is because of what the russian said, its better to take the guarantee than to play the risky admissions game. It all depends on which program is better for my purposes. I basically just want to become a great clinical doctor and have the opportunity to get into a top notch residency program, along with other considerations such as undergrad experience, the atmosphere of the college, etc... That being said, I was recently accepted to Penn State and Jefferson's program, which is supposed to be outstanding. Any opinions or help with Jefferson? It actually was one of my top choices.
 

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If I were you, I would just go for the BA/MD program at Drexel. That is if you're sure medicine is what you want to do.

I personally would go for the sure bet than take a risk, possibly not getting in at all for whatever reason (possibly for reasons you can't control - i.e. undergrad prehealth office sucks). I don't think there is any "bad medical school."

Also keep in mind the ease of mind you'll be at. Personally for me, second semester till I got an acceptance letter was a hell for me. It was nerve-wrecking to play the waiting game with the possibility that you might not get in anywhere!!!
 

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Originally posted by Highschoolkid
That being said, I was recently accepted to Penn State and Jefferson's program, which is supposed to be outstanding. Any opinions or help with Jefferson? It actually was one of my top choices.
What is the Penn State and Jefferson program? Is it a linkage program where you do undergrad at Penn and MD at Jefferson? If it is, then it's probably a better program then Drexel especially since being at the same school for 8 years might be a bit much
 

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The Penn State Premedical-Medical program with cooperation of Jefferson Medical College is one of the most competitive and prestigious BS/MD programs in the country. There are a lot of perks that come with the program. PSU is a great place to spend two years, there is a great incentive to take 400 level and honors level classes, encouragement to take humanities/social sciences/arts, the students enrolled form a very tight-knit group of students, AP credit is liberally offered to entrants, almost all students enter PSU with junior year standing, and the fact that its a six year program put it atop my list of places to go next year. The requirements are a 3.5 GPA (and our GPA gets a boost of a point for 400 level classes) and 9 on each subsection of the MCAT as opposed to Drexel's 3.45 GPA and 30 MCAT. I'm sure that PSU/Jeff would serve almost all of my interests in the pursuit of my goal. I'm pretty much definitely going to enroll there, just waiting for "Prog Weekend" where I can get all my questions answered, spend a few days with current students, and get the PSU experience (classes, dining, night life, etc...).
 

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The Penn State Premedical-Medical program with cooperation of Jefferson Medical College is one of the most competitive and prestigious BS/MD programs in the country. There are a lot of perks that come with the program. PSU is a great place to spend two years, there is a great incentive to take 400 level and honors level classes, encouragement to take humanities/social sciences/arts, the students enrolled form a very tight-knit group of students, AP credit is liberally offered to entrants, almost all students enter PSU with junior year standing, and the fact that its a six year program put it atop my list of places to go next year. The requirements are a 3.5 GPA (and our GPA gets a boost of a point for 400 level classes) and 9 on each subsection of the MCAT as opposed to Drexel's 3.45 GPA and 30 MCAT. I'm sure that PSU/Jeff would serve almost all of my interests in the pursuit of my goal. I'm pretty much definitely going to enroll there, just waiting for "Prog Weekend" where I can get all my questions answered, spend a few days with current students, meet academic advisors, meet the program coordinator, and get the PSU experience (classes, dining, night life, etc...).
 

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Originally posted by Highschoolkid
the fact that its a six year program put it atop my list of places to go next year.
This sounds like a very good program. The only part I disagree with is that it's atop your list because it's a six year program. If anything that should put the program at the bottom of the list.
Undergrad is such an amazing experience. It's been the best 4 years of my life and there never will be anything like it again. To cut that by two years seems a travesty. You need to be able to enjoy yourself in college because once you graduate then everything changes and you might regret leaving your friends behind and perhaps you might not be mature enough to enter medical school. 8 year programs are fine if you really are posititive you want to do medicine but 6 year programs rob you of valuable life experiences. Think hard before committing to such a program.
 

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Well, its atop my list because everything stated other than the fact that its a six year program. However, I have heard nothing but good things about it, so being a six year program does not bother me as much as it might otherwise. Thanks for all your help, unless I have sudden change of mind, I'll probably accept the PSU offer after I check it out on "Prog weekend."
 
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