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So, what happens if you matriculate to a US med school, get sick of the crap at the particular school, and take off?

Can you reapply to other schools in the future, or are you pretty much screwed for ever being a doctor?
 
What do you mean exactly by the "crap at the particular school"? I think the med school experience is difficult for the same reasons everywhere (volume of material, etc). I don't think dropping out so you can apply to a different school makes sense. If you don't like the material at one place, you won't like it any more at another school. Sure, there are differences (PBL/Traditional, Block schedule vs regular) but you can look into that stuff when you're applying.

Getting back to your question, though, I remember there was a question on AMCAS about if you'd previously applied. I wouldn't say the chances of getting accepted to one med school after dropping out of another are zero, but I wouldn't think they'd be very good. You'd have to have a very good reason.

This is why I think it's a good idea for some people (those more prone to burnout) to take a year or 2 off before med school so when you do get here, you won't feel like dropping out. There's a whole other thread about this.
 
Nothing to do with work load, curriculum or any of that.

Has more to do with personal issues and incompatability with the particular school (ie the people in charge of it).
 
getianshi said:
Nothing to do with work load, curriculum or any of that.

Has more to do with personal issues and incompatability with the particular school (ie the people in charge of it).

Here's my take:

It's only four years.

The Hopkins name can very much help you to get to where you want to go in the future.

Are you sure that this problem isn't something that can be resolved?
 
Actually it's quite easy to resolve, but I've done all I can. It's pretty much all in the hands of a certain group of deans, and they refuse to budge. I just feel like I've been lied to since I got here and I'm really pissed off.
 
getianshi said:
Actually it's quite easy to resolve, but I've done all I can. It's pretty much all in the hands of a certain group of deans, and they refuse to budge. I just feel like I've been lied to since I got here and I'm really pissed off.

I can understand and appreciate that but unless it's something really egregious then I think that you should just continue on as you have been.

You are gonna encounter BS no matter where you go.

However, you are in a very good position now to be more selective in how your future unfolds. Please consider this.

At the very least, some schools are more allowing of transfer students at the beginning of the clinical years.

Can you wait another 18 months?
 
Anyways, I'm off to bed.

I beg of you though.......please, please be practical.

Sometimes it is better to just suck it up in the light of being practical.

I hope that your problem is resolved in the near future.

Take care.
 
Thanks for the help, I'm really pissed right now, I'll probably get over it with time.
 
getianshi said:
Thanks for the help, I'm really pissed right now, I'll probably get over it with time.

Yeah, I'd give it time.

You should eventually get over whatever irritates you, currently.

If your reasons for wanting to become a doctor haven't changed, then you'll regret dropping out for the rest of your life.

Stick it out.

--Funkless
 
getianshi said:
Thanks for the help, I'm really pissed right now, I'll probably get over it with time.

Can I ask what has gotten you so angry? I am very disappointed with a certain aspect of my schooling and I have met with deans and it seems that my only option is put up & shut up or get out.... but then where do i go?? Grrrr I wish I would have opted for a different school... I don't even remember now how i chose... Oh well.
 
Some places even accept transfers after first year. We had 3 or 4 new people in our class on the first day of second year.
 
LOL, yes please drop out, that way one of us lucky bastards can transfer to hopkins!

Regards,

-Salty
 
HA,

You're welcome to my spot, but I'm afraid the pissy people in question are the ones that would decide whether or not that was ok, and they've been abundantly clear that "Hopkins doesn't take transfers, blah blah blah blah blah"
 
instead of just dropping out, if you really want to explore your other options, you could just take a leave of absence. school's grant them for up to a year right?
 
lilnix said:
instead of just dropping out, if you really want to explore your other options, you could just take a leave of absence. school's grant them for up to a year right?

A couple months into medical school, this guy is already pissing off the brass. Sounds like a real winner, I mean whiner, to me. You need to suck it up man and consider some self reflection. I'm sure this isn't the first situation like this for you. Keep this up, and if you are lucky enough to match into a residency, It will probably be a nightmare. Go with flow and get the hell out, finish your training and then you can make the rules.
 
Actually it's quite easy to resolve, but I've done all I can. It's pretty much all in the hands of a certain group of deans, and they refuse to budge. I just feel like I've been lied to since I got here and I'm really pissed off.

from the sounds of it, i imagine you'll stay - but don't feel like you're the only one who has thought of leaving (or has left) for whatever reason. i feel like any high-functioning, critically thinking individual should have some healthy reservations/criticisms about medical education/administration, and the process as a whole. anecdotally, a close friend of mine is at another similarly 'ranked' med school, and has a cadre of classmates who have dropped out, or have seriously contemplated doing so because the atmosphere is so malignant. my friend realizes that being a doctor is the best way to do what hir would like to accomplish, and has decided to press-on despite the negative ethos of the place.

also, the pre-clinical years can be especially frustrating, because in many ways, you must answer to, and be validated by the medical school/admin. realize that though the administrational apparatus will still be intact on the wards, you can make patients your focus.

for those who choke with indignance at the thought of leaving such a 'high prestige' school, choke on. there are many examples of people who have done so, and have done amazing things (though that certainly isn't the ultimate arbiter of the validity of the decision).

cheesy, but this reminds me of something melvin konner wrote with regards to this process: 'light your own corner'
 
Habari said:
from the sounds of it, i imagine you'll stay - but don't feel like you're the only one who has thought of leaving (or has left) for whatever reason. i feel like any high-functioning, critically thinking individual should have some healthy reservations/criticisms about medical education/administration, and the process as a whole. anecdotally, a close friend of mine is at another similarly 'ranked' med school, and has a cadre of classmates who have dropped out, or have seriously contemplated doing so because the atmosphere is so malignant. my friend realizes that being a doctor is the best way to do what hir would like to accomplish, and has decided to press-on despite the negative ethos of the place.

also, the pre-clinical years can be especially frustrating, because in many ways, you must answer to, and be validated by the medical school/admin. realize that though the administrational apparatus will still be intact on the wards, you can make patients your focus.

for those who choke with indignance at the thought of leaving such a 'high prestige' school, choke on. there are many examples of people who have done so, and have done amazing things (though that certainly isn't the ultimate arbiter of the validity of the decision).

cheesy, but this reminds me of something melvin konner wrote with regards to this process: 'light your own corner'


Thanks for that.

I am pressing on, perhaps the best thing is to actually stay and hope that things can get better. A lot of things only change when attention is called to an injust situation by someone who's going through it. Certainly my situation isn't going to change the way medicine it taught, but if my struggle with the administration here can make things a little more equitable for people in the future, then I think that's worth it.

Besides the one particular office with which I'm having my squabble, I've actually quite enjoyed my time at Hopkins. I'm hopeful that everything will turn out for the best in the end, but it's definitely going to be an uphill road.
 
Habari said:
anecdotally, a close friend of mine is at another similarly 'ranked' med school, and has a cadre of classmates who have dropped out, or have seriously contemplated doing so because the atmosphere is so malignant.

getianshi pointed this out already, but I want to reiterate: The trouble is quite specific rather than being due to a general malignancy at Hopkins.
 
VienneseWaltz said:
getianshi pointed this out already, but I want to reiterate: The trouble is quite specific rather than being due to a general malignancy at Hopkins.

This is all so cryptic, can you guys give us outsiders a vague idea of the problem and why it is so intolerable 😕
 
I apologize for not being more specific, but it is more a personal issue that I imagine only a handful of people would ever run into. Hopkins actually goes out of their way to make sure their students are happy and well adjusted. The particular branch of administration that I'm dealing with is one that most students would probably never interact directly with, hence why I am probably having such issues with them. Except for this one problem, I'm quite happy. Some people probably wouldn't even consider this an issue, but it was kind of made an issue to me just because I felt like I was misled to some extent.
 
getianshi said:
I apologize for not being more specific, but it is more a personal issue that I imagine only a handful of people would ever run into. Hopkins actually goes out of their way to make sure their students are happy and well adjusted. The particular branch of administration that I'm dealing with is one that most students would probably never interact directly with, hence why I am probably having such issues with them. Except for this one problem, I'm quite happy. Some people probably wouldn't even consider this an issue, but it was kind of made an issue to me just because I felt like I was misled to some extent.
was this the whole honor system thing with the past/fail? was this even you who had problems with that? maybe it was someone else....oh well
 
firebody said:
was this the whole honor system thing with the past/fail? was this even you who had problems with that? maybe it was someone else....oh well

No, that wasn't me. Hopkins is H/HP/P/F, I think most of us would probably like to switch to a straight up P/F system, but that's probably not going to happen for several years.
 
No that was me b!tching about the grading system.

hang in there! When do you graduate?
 
getianshi said:
No, that wasn't me. Hopkins is H/HP/P/F, I think most of us would probably like to switch to a straight up P/F system, but that's probably not going to happen for several years.

Let me guess. The branch of the admin you're talkin' bout is the financial aid dept. You're a po' boy in a sea of upper middle class kids who have no clue how lucky they are or any idea how the world is without money. You got a lot of promises when you interviewed but now that you're there they turned out to be bs. You find that "come and see me with any problems" means "come and see me as long as you have no real problems". Now your half an inch away from eviction worried how you'll get through the week. Meanwhile you're trying to compete with a bunch of kids who have none of these issues but somehow think they do. That's just a guess. Am I miles off?
 
phoenixsupra said:
Let me guess. The branch of the admin you're talkin' bout is the financial aid dept. You're a po' boy in a sea of upper middle class kids who have no clue how lucky they are or any idea how the world is without money. You got a lot of promises when you interviewed but now that you're there they turned out to be bs. You find that "come and see me with any problems" means "come and see me as long as you have no real problems". Now your half an inch away from eviction worried how you'll get through the week. Meanwhile you're trying to compete with a bunch of kids who have none of these issues but somehow think they do. That's just a guess. Am I miles off?
I don't know...base on my experience, Hopkins has a great fin aid program.
 
phoenixsupra said:
Let me guess. The branch of the admin you're talkin' bout is the financial aid dept. You're a po' boy in a sea of upper middle class kids who have no clue how lucky they are or any idea how the world is without money. You got a lot of promises when you interviewed but now that you're there they turned out to be bs. You find that "come and see me with any problems" means "come and see me as long as you have no real problems". Now your half an inch away from eviction worried how you'll get through the week. Meanwhile you're trying to compete with a bunch of kids who have none of these issues but somehow think they do. That's just a guess. Am I miles off?

Yes.

Your characterization of the Hopkins demographics is lacking, too.
 
Yeah, financial aid here is great. I am pretty poor, but doing ok so far!😀

I probably never should have started this thread, I just am going to make people keep guessing until the cows come home. 😉

Regardless of what group it is, my problem is more of just a feeling that I was misled before matriculating, and think that things were kind of bungled by a few people resulting in a significant increase in my stress level.

But the rest of you will probably never face such problems, so don't worry😀

Hopkins is a great place everyone, I'm not Hopkins bashing. Just a little more stressed out then I probably should be😀
 
VienneseWaltz said:
Yes.

Your characterization of the Hopkins demographics is lacking, too.

Eh...I wasn't "characterizing Hopkins demographics". I was taking a guess based one the op's cryptic clues. And the question wasn't posed to you anyway.

Getianshi, I'm glad to hear that's not your problem. If you regret mentioning it you can always ask a moderator to delete it. Otherwise, tell us what's the matter with you. Nothing we can do to help if you don't.
 
phoenixsupra said:
And the question wasn't posed to you anyway.

Dude, PM him if you want a private conversation. 😛
 
VienneseWaltz said:
Dude, PM him if you want a private conversation. 😛

What? Are you his spokesperson or something? :laugh:
 
Habari said:
cheesy, but this reminds me of something melvin konner wrote with regards to this process: 'light your own corner'

Beer and a candle... Sounds like my Saturday night.

Yes, med school sucks. I'm convinced it really sucks everywhere due to financial and political demands on everyone involved in medical school. Don't leave, or you probably will be screwed forever.
 
I am not sure how it works up in the States, but in Canada, you drop out and you're toast for all Canadian schools. They also ask "if you have applied to a medical school before" for this exact reason. Most AMCAS schools share their data too right?

Not to guess at your issue, but try to just get through it. Medicine has and always will be wrought with bureaucracy. If you get on the wrong side of it, you will pay for it, possibly when it comes to residency (depending on how matching works for you).

You will never change something as a student. The best you can hope for is eventually one day you will have the clout to do so, and even then problems don?t change (especially on the wards).
 
phoenixsupra said:
What? Are you his spokesperson or something? :laugh:

(quickly puts on Super Spokesperson Hat) Why yes, yes I am! 😀
 
VienneseWaltz said:
(quickly puts on Super Spokesperson Hat) Why yes, yes I am! 😀


Ha ha LOL 🙂
 
fever5 said:
I am not sure how it works up in the States, but in Canada, you drop out and you're toast for all Canadian schools. They also ask "if you have applied to a medical school before" for this exact reason. Most AMCAS schools share their data too right?

Not to guess at your issue, but try to just get through it. Medicine has and always will be wrought with bureaucracy. If you get on the wrong side of it, you will pay for it, possibly when it comes to residency (depending on how matching works for you).

You will never change something as a student. The best you can hope for is eventually one day you will have the clout to do so, and even then problems don?t change (especially on the wards).

I have a hard time believing that medical schools would actually know if a student had attended some other medical school in the past. I guess it's an integrity issue as to whether someone checks 'yes' of 'no' for that AMCAS question, but there are legitimate reasons for someone to leave one school and attend another later in life that medical schools don't necessarily need to know about.
 
Habari said:
for those who choke with indignance at the thought of leaving such a 'high prestige' school, choke on. there are many examples of people who have done so, and have done amazing things (though that certainly isn't the ultimate arbiter of the validity of the decision).

cheesy, but this reminds me of something melvin konner wrote with regards to this process: 'light your own corner'

The founder of emergency medicine as a specialty in the US dropped out of Hopkins. He actually had to go to Belgium to continue his medical education (in french). But really, stick it out. Get your md. You'll be glad you did regardless of what you do. Just accept what they're telling you. Swallow your pride. Wasn't that one of the deadly sins anyway j/k.
 
phoenixsupra said:
The founder of emergency medicine as a specialty in the US dropped out of Hopkins.

Oh, but I bet we claim him anyway. :laugh:
 
VienneseWaltz said:
Oh, but I bet we claim him anyway. :laugh:

That's for sure,

How many times have I heard about a nobel prize winner and his "Hopkins Connection," only to find out that his uncle's sister's former roommate was once a janitor here, hence the connection!

:laugh:
 
getianshi said:
Nothing to do with work load, curriculum or any of that.

Has more to do with personal issues and incompatability with the particular school (ie the people in charge of it).


The key thing here is:

WWYAD

What would your avatar do?
 
gatsbyjo said:
Can I ask what has gotten you so angry? I am very disappointed with a certain aspect of my schooling and I have met with deans and it seems that my only option is put up & shut up or get out.... but then where do i go?? Grrrr I wish I would have opted for a different school... I don't even remember now how i chose... Oh well.


Mind if I ask what school this is and what the discontent in general term so that I can avoid going there?

If you can't, I understand.
 
getianshi said:
So, what happens if you matriculate to a US med school, get sick of the crap at the particular school, and take off?

Can you reapply to other schools in the future, or are you pretty much screwed for ever being a doctor?

The only way it wouldn't hurt your chances at another school, is if:

1) You are an above avg. or excellent candidate
2) YOu have a very strong reason for leaving (eg. couldn't pay tuition, or car accident, or problem you had to address, such as severe depression or whatever)

Note both of the two above are inclusive. Not one or the other.
Secondly I will say there is no chance in hell you would get in if you say you didn't like "crap" at the other medical school. Medical school is tough wherever you go. Chances are you don't like how they handle their business, b/c as one poster mentioned every med school is slightly different. However, you should have done your research into that before you applied.

I would really think very very hard of quitting, b/c you might be shutting your door to be a doctor forever. Good luck.
 
getianshi said:
HA,

You're welcome to my spot, but I'm afraid the pissy people in question are the ones that would decide whether or not that was ok, and they've been abundantly clear that "Hopkins doesn't take transfers, blah blah blah blah blah"


I have a great suggestion for you. Why don't you email that guy who went to Hopkins and reported them for breaking the 80 hour residency rules. He is a poster on Resident diaries. He might be able to give you some guidance as to what to do. Also its very hard for anyone here to give you advice, b/c you are not saying what the problem is. You are giving very vague statements oh Deans are like this, if you want help you need to be more specific. And only after 2 months, jeeze.
 
tupac_don said:
I have a great suggestion for you. Why don't you email that guy who went to Hopkins and reported them for breaking the 80 hour residency rules. He is a poster on Resident diaries. He might be able to give you some guidance as to what to do. Also its very hard for anyone here to give you advice, b/c you are not saying what the problem is. You are giving very vague statements oh Deans are like this, if you want help you need to be more specific. And only after 2 months, jeeze.

He wasn't asking for help. He was asking what his options were if he left this particular med school.
 
His options are pretty dismal. Like a previous poster said, leaving for reasons other than illness or some tragedy/personal crisis and then trying to go to a different school are pretty tough.

It doesn't sound like that is the case here.
 
m1forever said:
His options are pretty dismal. Like a previous poster said, leaving for reasons other than illness or some tragedy/personal crisis and then trying to go to a different school are pretty tough.

It doesn't sound like that is the case here.

Does anyone know if a medical school would actually know that you had previously matriculated at another school? I'm not suggesting that the op leave Hopkins, I'm just curious for my own reasons. What's stopping someone from just checking 'no' on that question of the AMCAS application to make sure they're treated the same as everyone else?
 
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