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How the F did digoxin get confused with bupivicaine. I triple check the bupivicaine just to make sure it is the right concentration.
This exact mixup happened in my neck of the woods to a resident a couple years back. Pyxis had dig right next to bupi and apparently the vials look really similar. Pt seized and apparently suffered some degree of paralysis as well.
I’m with you! The constant changing of the drug suppliers and what the ampules/vials look like makes me paranoid 24/7 about drug swaps, when I’m drawing up drugs I triple check and if someone is talking to me, I ask them to wait.How the F did digoxin get confused with bupivicaine. I triple check the bupivicaine just to make sure it is the right concentration.
At our place the 100cc TXA bags and 100cc insulin bags from pharmacy look identical except for the name which is buried in a sea of 10 point font text.
System wide we’ve had 3 incidents in the past 2 months where patients got 100u of insulin in stead of their TXA bolus. Supposedly pharmacy is working on a solution, but at the end of the day nothing beats vigilance.
An easy solution here is to put a big red label that says INSULIN.
Sounds good in theory, but let’s have 5 committee meetings to study the issue and make sure 16 clipboard nurses sign off before we implement it
An easy solution here is to put a big red label that says INSULIN.
Unbelievable.Obviously this solution was floated to pharmacy. Pharmacy’s response (I wish I was joking) was that they didn’t want to be held responsible in the event that one of their techs either forgets to put the sticker on, or stickers the wrong bag.
Obviously this solution was floated to pharmacy. Pharmacy’s response (I wish I was joking) was that they didn’t want to be held responsible in the event that one of their techs either forgets to put the sticker on, or stickers the wrong bag.
Obviously this solution was floated to pharmacy. Pharmacy’s response (I wish I was joking) was that they didn’t want to be held responsible in the event that one of their techs either forgets to put the sticker on, or stickers the wrong bag.
Bupivacaine containing spinal trays went away 1-2 years ago with the most recent spinal bupivacaine shortgage.
We had a batch of bupi in the kit not working. Very annoying. Pharmacy claimed bad transportation and storage conditions for the kits.They transiently went away, but they're back now.
It is possible to order trays with or without bupivacaine, but I have yet to see digoxin as an option in spinal trays ;-)
We had a batch of bupi in the kit not working. Very annoying. Pharmacy claimed bad transportation and storage conditions for the kits.
Write a note or email to someone important and include "Detrimental to patient safety", etc....now it's in writing. You'll hear back from someone QUICKLY.Sounds good in theory, but let’s have 5 committee meetings to study the issue and make sure 16 clipboard nurses sign off before we implement it
I've resorted to do a lot of this myself. Whenel dealing with meds where drug errors would be very serious or potentially fatal, I put a big red X on the syringe or bag. E.g. insulin. I also do not draw up such drugs until I really need it.
It's a systems error. It mostly depends on the pharmacy's method of entering the drugs into the workstation. If the pharm tech simply has to load the cart based on "look" or "label" with no scanning involved then there is a high risk for error. If there is scanning involved there may be lower, but not nil, risk for error.Having digoxin out accessible as a routine drug or even on a labor floor for that matter seems a little odd. I’m curious how many people on this board have ever personally given it.
It's a systems error. It mostly depends on the pharmacy's method of entering the drugs into the workstation. If the pharm tech simply has to load the cart based on "look" or "label" with no scanning involved then there is a high risk for error. If there is scanning involved there may be lower, but not nil, risk for error.
I was confused about this too. I feel like either A) yes, digoxin must have some ability for nerve block (or nerve destruction). For the patient's sake I hope the latter isn't true. B)The didn't wait long enough to test the level and the first spinal actually worked. 60-90 mins does seem like a long time for digoxin to travel though the CSF but i know nothing about it's specific gravity. Maybe the head was more upright in the C/S and then in RR she was more supine and the digoxin migrated to the brain. All speculation.So I am very confused. I was only able to skim this, but from reading it the case sounds like she probably got intrathecal digoxin instead of bupivacaine, the C-section was completed uneventfully, and then 60-90min into her recovery stay she manifested all of the symptoms.
...so digoxin provided surgical anesthesia?
So I am very confused. I was only able to skim this, but from reading it the case sounds like she probably got intrathecal digoxin instead of bupivacaine, the C-section was completed uneventfully, and then 60-90min into her recovery stay she manifested all of the symptoms.
...so digoxin provided surgical anesthesia?
I was confused about this too. I feel like either A) yes, digoxin must have some ability for nerve block (or nerve destruction). For the patient's sake I hope the latter isn't true. B)The didn't wait long enough to test the level and the first spinal actually worked. 60-90 mins does seem like a long time for digoxin to travel though the CSF but i know nothing about it's specific gravity. Maybe the head was more upright in the C/S and then in RR she was more supine and the digoxin migrated to the brain. All speculation.
Agree. It's also why I'm typically not a "2nd spinal" person. If the level is "shady" or "not at all" despite what I perceived to be as a normal spinal procedure that's where the syringe full of propofol becomes part of the anesthetic.It is most likely option B. The few "failed" spinals I have experienced ultimately set in after a range of 20-30 minutes. Whether they were odd responders vs. subdural injections vs. some medication lost during injection I will never know.
It also violates one thing that was pounded into me during residency which was to basically never redo a spinal that "should" have been working without first being able to delay the case 60-90min.
We had a batch of bupi in the kit not working. Very annoying. Pharmacy claimed bad transportation and storage conditions for the kits.
If the spinal isn't right, put them to sleep, maybe slip an LMA if needed, keep dad out of the room until you're done. It's easier to explain and healthy baby / sleepy mom isn't the end of the world (or career).
I totally agree. There is a trend in medicine where "usually done this way" is becoming inappropriately synonymous with "required".
Agree. It's also why I'm typically not a "2nd spinal" person. If the level is "shady" or "not at all" despite what I perceived to be as a normal spinal procedure that's where the syringe full of propofol becomes part of the anesthetic.
I'm playing Tuesday morning QB here, but let's say the "2nd ampule" actually was bupivacaine. Now this anesthesiologists is dealing with 3-4 cc of 0.75% bupiv in the CSF and a definite high spinal. The outcome probably not near as bad "neurologically" (he still would've intubated).
If the spinal isn't right, put them to sleep, maybe slip an LMA if needed, keep dad out of the room until you're done. It's easier to explain and healthy baby / sleepy mom isn't the end of the world (or career).
Or maybe his first intrathecal dose was the dig. Failed because it wasn’t bupi.I was confused about this too. I feel like either A) yes, digoxin must have some ability for nerve block (or nerve destruction). For the patient's sake I hope the latter isn't true. B)The didn't wait long enough to test the level and the first spinal actually worked. 60-90 mins does seem like a long time for digoxin to travel though the CSF but i know nothing about it's specific gravity. Maybe the head was more upright in the C/S and then in RR she was more supine and the digoxin migrated to the brain. All speculation.
if it were mid c-section and she says she's feeling things.....yeah. it's no different from those that temporize their "patchy" spinals with midaz, ketamine, and prop, etcYou would LMA a term pregnancy patient?
that's true tooOr maybe his first intrathecal dose was the dig. Failed because it wasn’t bupi.
if it were mid c-section and she says she's feeling things.....yeah. it's no different from those that temporize their "patchy" spinals with midaz, ketamine, and prop, etc
Edit: I know the board answer is to stick in a breathing tube for anyone beyond 12 wks, but there's a lot things we do on the boards that we don't do in practice.